Talk:Chaos orc

Old discussion
This says that chaos orcs lacked some of the mutations the fel orcs did, but in Wc3, fel orcs looked exactly the same as chaos orcs. Saimdusan 23:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Fel is worse than Chaos, they are both red but Fel has the tusks and spikes.-- 23:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ya, most fel orcs have tusks and spikes. There were some tusks (not as many as seen on fel orcs in WoW) on some chaos-orcs in warcraft 3 but no larger than tusks seen on regular green orcs in the game.Baggins


 * I am not sure about Warcraft III, but in Monster Guide fel orc is another name for chaos orc. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Chaos orc=Fel orc and Fel orc=Chaos orc. They are not as mutated because there are different stages of mutation in the fel orc as seen with a few fel orcs that look even more mutated than the ones a player would first encounter going into Hellfire Peninsula. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 13:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

In-game
Are there any of these in game? (Hallowseve15 (talk))


 * Yes, all the orc units in WC3 have thier chaos counterpart. With the exception of the Farseer's and Thrall's model. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 17:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * isn't Gargolmar a chaos orc? (Hallowseve15 (talk) 18:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC))


 * Well, he is a fel orc. The chaos orcs just appeared in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, I don't think they are mentioned in WoW. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Chaos orcs did not just appear in Warcraft III. They are shown in Monster Guide also remember? If you look at the game and RPG, "chaos orc" is just an a.k.a for "fel orc". They are one and the same. All fel orcs do not look the same though explaining why they don't all look as mutated. You have the ones that are red but have not mutated much like what happened to Grom for awhile. You have the slightly more mutated ones we meet in Outland. You also have ones like Gurtogg Bloodboil who is a heavily mutated fel orc. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 02:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Cataclysm
Can we call all red orcs of uncorruption, Chaos orcs? Easier for navigation? Hallowseve (talk) 22:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "There are chaos orcs at Dark Portal." Says who? As far as I know, there is no evidence of that they are chaos orcs. If you check comments on Horde Portal-Sentry on wowhead (sorry, but I am to tired to mess with links on my phone), you will discover that only thing that says that they are chaos orcs is wowpedia. And wowpedia without sources is as reliable as original wikipedia... Neutralion (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps I should remove it. I'm not sure that we know what a chaos orc is, unless it really is the same as a fel orc.-- 21:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Reviving the above
It is true that some orcs in HFP, and now some guarding the Dark Portal, are orcs with the normal orc model colored red. Are we counting these as chaos orcs, or are we counting them as fel orcs? It is also true that Monster Guide outright says fel and chaos orcs are the same. If so, why the appearance discrepancy?-- 22:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Based on the below, and Warlord Morkh, I am assuming that chaos orcs are NOT in WoW? Anyone?-- 19:11, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't believe chaos orcs are in WoW at this point... however, it is strange that fel orcs (if indeed that's what the orcs in Blasted Lands are) would serve the Horde... though I suppose they follow whom ever they choose. And given that these red orcs were added after the events of Outland, it's possible surviving fel orcs joined the Horde after their masters were killed off. 19:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is plausible - the "green" orcs were freed from their demonic taint when Mannoroth was killed, and now when Magtheridon is dead it is possible that it happened to the "red" orcs as well. This is, of course, speculation and open for discussion. -- 19:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Distinction?
I understand this article is a touchy subject, However now that we have Horde NPCs using this red Orc model, I could barely see them being fel orcs due mainly too the fact , Their part of the Horde.The Horde Would never allow Fel Orcs too join the Horde.Especially The Horde under Hellscream ,Known for his fierce hatred of demons.You could Argue that maybe this could just be a small mistake by blizzard.But it's not as if only the Portal Sentries are Red skinned.I think this article should stay and hopefully we will receive more information in the future.--FunOnABun 10:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We cannot be sure what they are, but I think (and people on wowhead too), that they are just different coloured mag'har. Really, is there such a big difference between brown and red, especially when we are counting Garrosh?Neutralion (talk) 07:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speculation is speculation until the people at Blizz decide to give info on the matter... and as pointed out on the article Warlord Morkh, a confirmed fel orc, share the same skin with the Horde Portal-Sentry and Quartermaster Dekrok. 05:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well this picture of grom as a chaos orc


 * Show him without the mutations of fel orcs, that the other "chaos orcs" don't have either...--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Where do you people see that warlord Morkh is a fel orc? i checked the quest and while it says that his troops are fel(whetever that can be interpreted as belonging to the fel horde, corrupted with fel or that his troops are in fact fel orcs) it never states what the warlord his--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering all the orcs in Outland are either fel orcs or Mag'har orcs, I hope you're not contesting the fact that a leader of fel orcs is not a fel orc. 22:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm contesting if any of the red orcs that don't show heavy mutation are in fact called fel orcs in game, because warlord Morkh is never stated to be such(as far as i'm aware)--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I presume we remove these orcs from the Horde page,Although I don't think the page should go and I think it should atleast be mentioned. But if we aren't going too list them then let's also avoid putting fel orcs there.--MoneygruberTheGoblin 2:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Didn't really notice this before... but Bleeding Hollow Tormentors and Bleeding Hollow Necrolytes use the same skin as well... and they are confirmed fel orcs. 02:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * This is true.-- 02:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Re-disccusion
It seems someone has asked me to bring up this topic again which I was trying to avoid. Anyway now that the Monster Guide is non-canon I feel I should have updated the article to such. I added alot of speculation against it and for it. You can take a look in the history and tell me your opinions on this. (talk contribs) 21:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Factoring out Monster Guide, how do you relate the chaos orcs to what we have seen in WoW and why?-- 22:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There have been other mentions of the word chaos orc other then an rpg, now with nothing to go against their existence I am fairly sure that they are canon, unless they were somehow retconed into fel orcs but theirs no evidence to prove that either. The speculation I put was just that, Speculation I probably should have sited some more information to be honest though.[[Image:IconSmall Goblin Male.gif|18px]][[Image:IconSmall Goblin Female.gif|18px]] (talk contribs)[[Image:IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif|18px]][[Image:IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Female.gif|18px]] 22:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I never said they were not canon. Monster Guide, which isn't canon, says that they exist but are just another name for fel orcs. I read your edit, but what do you really want to say?-- 22:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to clean up the article too look better and provide a few more theories about their existence and update it with the RPG. That's all really [[Image:IconSmall Goblin Male.gif|18px]][[Image:IconSmall Goblin Female.gif|18px]] (talk contribs)[[Image:IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif|18px]][[Image:IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Female.gif|18px]] 22:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Putting the Horde Portal-Sentry in the infobox does not seem like portraying something as a guess.-- 22:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Then i'll revert it to the Chaos Warlord. ![[Image:IconSmall Goblin Male.gif|18px]][[Image:IconSmall Goblin Female.gif|18px]] (talk contribs)[[Image:IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif|18px]][[Image:IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Female.gif|18px]] 00:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Chaos orc / Fel orc
The Speculations section is longer than the article itself, which is almost entirely based on either retconned Warcraft III content or behind-the-scene stuff, like assets name. Is there any actual modern lore saying there's a difference between chaos and fel orcs? Xporc (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Bump, especially with Reforged in mind. Xporc (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * At this point, I guess there's no real reason not to merge this page with fel orc. -- 12:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ditto. 12:58, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, like I wrote before, the use of the term "Chaos" in Warcraft III seemed to be replaced with its synonym of "Fel" during TFT, possibly to avoid a direct reference to the IPs of Games Workshop, like the changes to dwarven vehicles.-- 01:38, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Especially with the Reforged changes, I'm inclined to merge the pages. Definitely keep the redirect, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:24, 9 February 2020 (UTC)