Talk:War of the Thorns

Given the lore of the event will be expanded through novellas, would you want to have this page for the in-game event and the Burning of Teldrassil page for the lore version of it? --Mordecay (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure I'm following. Is the War of the Thorns the Burning of Teldrassil + destruction of Undercity? Xporc (talk) 07:26, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


 * According to wowhead so far, War of the Thorns is the pre expansion world event which we call here the Burning of Teldrassil (or at least its lore version). No clue if the Battle for Lordaeron will be made a part of the pre-expac event, but It looks like Lordaeron is the BfA intro that will be made available with the release of the expansion. --Mordecay (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I think the siege of Lordaeron is part of the BfA introduction, and won't be limited in time, so it can't be part of the War of the Thorns pre-expansion world event. Xporc (talk) 14:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, likely. We will see what this will turn into though. --Mordecay (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Turns out Lordaeron is also being made available for people with pre-ordered BfA. --Mordecay (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Blackwood tribe in infobox
I'm not sure they need to take up space in the infobox. Sure, they're present, and we should mention them in the body of the article, but they're not a driver in the story other than as bystanders caught up in the mess. -- k_d3 20:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't care much about them appearing or not, but they are not even displayed properly so far. Removing them. Xporc (talk) 11:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Tactical victory of the Horde?
Should we change the outcome to "Tactical victory for the Horde"? This comes from the fact that the Horde actually didn't accomplish any of their objectives. They didn't conquer Teldrassil as planned, they didn't break the spirit of the night elves, they didn't kill Malfurion, and they didn't stop the Alliance from developing Azerite weaponry. (Which is ironic, because the Alliance only now starts building such weapons after the invasion. Lion's Roar in Arathi is described by Nathanos as "cobbled" together, showing that it is probably the first Alliance Azerite weapon.) Also they don't control the flow of Azerite, as Sylvanas herself states during the questline that it starts to appear all over the world, reducing the relevancy of Silithus. (Which is the main site yes, but Feathermoon Stronghold is only a zone away and the Exodar stands well.)

Further: The BfA table missions basically tell us that the night elves push the Horde back to the level of Cataclysm. (Which Blizzard does with basically every war zone ingame, so they become relevant again, even though with slightly different motivations and goals.)

So, really the entire operation only inflicted casualties on the night elves, who themselves however also did some serious damage to the Horde (not to mention that it was basically a single Alliance race versus the entire Horde. Props to the night elves really).


 * I don't really know, but they did won the conflict. Their main objective was to get rid of Teldrassil as a staging ground for the Alliance funneling Azerite, so they they wanted to capture it. Instead it went on fire but they at least complete the objective. The Alliance managed to maintain a strong presence in Darkshore and Ashenvale but they lost the tree so in the sense of main quest, I'd say the Horde accomplished it. Although I would also say that maybe the War of the Thorns isn't over since they are still fighting for the land. --Ryon21 (talk) 11:48, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The goal was to capture Teldrassil, in order to prevent the war from escalating in the first place (basically holding the population hostage). They didn't manage that and now the Alliance fully commits to an all out war, exactly what Sylvanas wanted to prevent. (And honestly Teldrassil as staging ground for Azerite never made much sense anyway. Why transport it all the way up to Teldrassil from Silithus? And with Azerite appearing all over the world you wouldn't exactly need Teldrassil anyway.) Keydiam (talk) 12:54, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Well the night elves are pretty butthurt so this looks like an Horde victory :D Xporc (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * My point remains. The Horde hasn't accomplished a single of their original objectives. Burning down Teldrassil was basically an emergency move, because they failed to break the morale of the night elves...and the burning now bites them in the ass, as the entire Alliance rallies against the Horde. Because now they don't fight a political war, they fight a war of survival against monsters. Keydiam (talk) 12:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "Tactical victory" seems to fit the situation. -- MyMindWontQuiet 13:20, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

WQ
Were They Eat Like Orcs & So We Meat Again available during the first week? I skipped one or two days of wqs, and I saw these this week for the first time. --Mordecay (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * First week. I remember those exactly and was annoyed by it and the fact I stopped doing WQs in Darkshore a few days prior to second week but I do remember doing those. 00:49, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Why were you annoyed? --Mordecay (talk) 01:01, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have more Horde characters at level 110 compared to just one Alliance character. The Horde requires 15 meat compared to just 10 for the Alliance. And the meat doesn't always drop. 01:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I did the quest twice and had the meat almost instantly, was just having hard time finding the poachers :-D --Mordecay (talk) 01:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe the meat drop rate increased? I've also noticed a slight increase in drop rate for the Elemental Pitch. 01:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The drop rate's much higher now. I was getting 2-3 per beast kill yesterday. -- k_d3 01:32, 3 August 2018 (UTC)