User talk:Fandyllic/Jun 2009 thru Nov 2009 Archive

= Random Comments from Fandyllic =

WoW is SUPER ADDICTIVE! Don't play it if you value your free time... ;-)


 * Test silly new sig. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr)

Got stuff back
I unlocked my account by calling billing support and I have a bunch of restored items in the mail (they appear to have an increased expiration of 90 days). There do seem to be a few quirks (items restored that I'm pretty sure I didn't have and a few that didn't get restored), but I'm too lazy to get them fixed. It will take me a few days to reorganize and put stuff back, but I'm feeling less irritated by the whole thing. Next to do: convert to Battle.net and activate my iPhone Authenticator. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 10:38 PM PST 26 Oct 2009

Account inaccessible
I guess I took too long to get my account restored, so now I can't even log in (at web site or game). My login and password are recognized, but maybe I changed my password too many times while deciding what was good and it triggered some kind of automatic lockout. Hopefully I'll be back in action this week, but I haven't played WoW since I got hacked. At least most of my welfare epics didn't get sold off... only lost one trinket that I can tell. I never was a big end-game player, so what I really missed was the gold (I had almost 20K). Theoretically I will only have lost some mail stuff (which unfortunately was alot since I keep alot of AH stuff in transit between chars). -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 9:04 PM PST 25 Oct 2009

I got hacked
...and yes, it sucks. I'm not a great WoW player, but I'm good at working the AH and I lost alot of gold (around not counting my stuff). Sigh. I was lazy and didn't use the authenticator. I guess I have to if I decide to continue playing. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 4:55 PM PST 7 Oct 2009


 * Condolences, man. Someone hit ya with a keylogger, or did they just bust your account by brute force?  ... and has CS helped you get your stuff back?  --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:32, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I suspect brute force, since my password wasn't the most secure, but it worked for 4+ years. I'm going to start the process of trying to restore my gold and stuff later today. I sent an e-mail out. Could not get in touch with any Blizz folks in-game (maybe it was a mass attack?). -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 8:31 PM PST 7 Oct 2009

dragons
i added tat categorie to knakks page b/c he rites alot of dragon cr/\p, i thot it mad esense sory Zinlis (talk) 06:15, November 3, 2009 (UTC))

Sabbatical update
Forum:Permaban Rolandius? and some other stuff I've learned about those involved has gotten me pretty down. I probably won't be coming fully back from my sabbatical until nearer the end of the year. I'll be spending most of my Wikia contributing at WikiAnswers. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 10:00 PM PST 21 Aug 2009


 * I guess my sabbatical is over, but I don't think I'll ever be as active as I once was. Hopefully some new leaders will emerge. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:35 AM PST 11 Oct 2009

BlzzCon 2007
I probably don't have anything to add from stuff that has been reported in the online press. I did get to play with the goodie bag stuff and I was mostly impressed with the Warcraft TCG box. -- Fandyllic (talk • contr) 9:01 PM PDT 12 Aug 2007

Signs that Fandyllic is famous
When someone makes a username like this: User:Fandyllicisameanie


 * lol. Congrats. Schmidt 18:39, 27 March 2006 (EST)

From my iPod Touch!
Typing is a little slow, but otherwise very cool... -- Fandyllic  (talk • contr) 4:28 PST 11 Nov 2007

Killer startup?
Stumbled on an interesting article:

Doesn't really talk about how a business model could work, but interesting that some people are thinking about WoWWiki that way. -- Fandyllic  (talk • contr) 10:47 PM PST 5 Feb 2008

= Comments to Fandyllic =

Re:Adminship
I think a nomination is fine, I just have some questions before you go forward.
 * Do I need to hang out on MIRC/chat?
 * Would I have any responsibilities/commitments? or is adminship more like access to do deletes, ip bans for spammers, etc?
 * Anything else I should I know?

I'm honored - thanks for thinking of me. (and lol, I really need to work on getting a sig working. This is kind of dull, don't u think?) -Howbizr (talk) 20:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You are definitely the best candidate for admin in my mind, but I'm looking for others.
 * Being on IRC will make you more liked by that crowd, but it is not necessary.
 * We don't put specific responsibilities on admins, but here are some of the things it is good to see admins doing:
 * Answering questions on the forums (technical and policy questions are usually the most valuable).
 * Settling disputes.
 * Review the Violations list for updates, bans or comments.
 * Review Category:Articles for speedy deletion, Category:Miscellany for speedy deletion, and Category:Terminated articles.
 * Help cleanup vandalism (with revert and rollback mostly).
 * Protect pages that need protecting.
 * Encourage good contributors.
 * I would do a thorough review of current policies and the more popular guidelines, but mostly so other policy lawyers don't embarrass you too much.
 * Feel more free to create new articles that you think would be generally helpful, i.e. ask forgiveness and not permission.
 * If you get the job, make sure you get on the admin mailing list (ask Kirkburn).
 * See the Administrator section of Special:ListGroupRights for the powers admins get. I usually check with Pcj or Kirkburn for any javascript or CSS changes or ideas I have (which is rare).
 * -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 3:42 PM PST 27 May 2009


 * If you really think wowwiki needs more admins, Eirik Ratcatcher comes to mind as a possibility. He's a very courteous editor, but I would definitely still give him the quality of bold. I'm not sure what other qualities you're looking for exactly, but just a thought. -Howbizr (talk) 22:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, he's on my list for consideration along with Ose. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 3:11 PM PST 28 May 2009


 * I'm not really seeing what makes them good for consideration; then again I rarely understand you. -- 22:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Who would you consider? -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 4:20 PM PST 28 May 2009


 * Apart from Howbizr? None, to be honest. -- 23:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 4:49 PM PST 28 May 2009


 * For me it was enthusiasm. And the kind of questions he asks. He's put in a lot of edits for a short period of time. I know that's not the only reason one should be an admin, but it's something. 5:47 PM, 3 Jun 2009 (EDT)

When you get back
See here. 3:30 PM, 14 Jun 2009 (EDT)
 * Again I know you're gone, but if you are reading this, are you in charge of this ? It seems like it's been neglected for oh... the past couple of years.
 * If it's just supposed to be self-designation, then maybe there shouldn't be a sign up page, and applications, and all of that hoopla. 9:38 PM, 6 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * Since welcoming is automatic now... I see no need of a welcoming committee, probably why its been abandoned. 01:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as Coobra said, it is effectively abandoned. I will decommission the Welcoming committee when I get back. If you become and admin, you will automatically be part of the welcoming committee... --  Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 9:25 AM PST 7 Jul 2009
 * As Howbizr pointed out on Wowpedia:Help Team, seems its the same thing. Wowpedia:Article Council seems to be dead in the water with no leader or members hanging around anymore as well. 20:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would ask if the community teams are dead on the forums or post/send a message to Kirkburn, kd3, or both. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:01 PM PST 9 Jul 2009

Feats of Strength achievements have been broken down into smaller groups
While you were gone I went ahead and broke down the (LONG) page Feats of Strength achievements into smaller groups Items, Emblems, Mounts, Pets, Realm First!, Titles and Other. They are no longer Numbered are and are all in Alphabetical order within their groupings, I also added in the missing achievement you mentioned to the Mounts section. -- if you know of any others please let me know or add them in, either way works, thanks. -- 19:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cuttable gems progress
... and it is a whole lot more satisfying than dealing with the Undead problem... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Block-and-ban
could you point out the particular concepts you'd like removed? And... how to describe 'uninvolved' without adding to the size of the page... :) The usual definition would be something along the lines of "someone who is not already a party to the dispute".  Would be grateful for aid on describing "who is uninvolved".  IMO, we are running low on admins who could be considered uninvolved re Rolandius; but that's also part of why the ban issue came up. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm mostly concerned with using Wikipedia concepts wholesale without tailoring them for WoWWiki. Also, "uninvolved" may be a difficult standard to reach with such a small active admin base. By what I've read from the Wikipedia policies we couldn't follow them without violating at least half the rules. Or at least, many of the admins would violate many of the rules with impunity if judged by past actions. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 6:18 PM PST 23 Jul 2009


 * Please feel free to edit the page yourself, if only to flag the things you think should be removed, replaced, or altered. (I'm willing to do the heavy lifting, but I need direction...)  I'm not actually an admin, I don't know what procedures you guys DO follow.  It really-truly does need input from as many admins as I can sit on and coerce into writing.  It isn't 'consensus' unless it's consensus, after all. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Some stuff I'm not sure how I want to change, so I may comment on the talk page instead. What you're doing is how is has been done in the past when policies were first getting developed, but in the past admins seemed to be more involved. Despite all the supposed interest in the topic, strangely only a few admins are willing to submit their behavior to policy scrutiny. I don't think I was an admin when many of the policies were first proposed. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 11:28 AM PST 24 Jul 2009

RPG titles
I wanted to ask what you thought. Should the Warcraft RPG and World of Warcraft RPG systems be combined into the same terms as the Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game and World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game books? I was trying to seperate them so users could see the difference between the "Warcraft RPG" and "World of Warcraft RPG" which are the names of the game systems with Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game and World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game which are the names of two books. My edits were reverted, but then I was told I was going to make an edit war. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 11:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Organizations
Apparently, Gourra thinks villages, races, single mobs, etc. are organizations in Warcraft. I tried doing a cleanup to remove entries that were non-organizations, but he just reverted the whole thing and won't answer me on his talk page when I asked him about it. I talked about it at length in Talk:Organization but apparently that wasn't enough discussing I am told. Using my experience on WoWWiki and what I was told by admins when I tried to make organizations which were not up to par, I think the majority of my edits were correct and that those are non-organizations. I could be wrong on some of them but there is no way every single one of those I removed is an organization as we know it in Warcraft. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 11:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It also seems easier for someone to add something to the article which they think is an organization then for someone to take something out that is not an organization. Or it could just be because I am the one trying to fix it. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 11:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the definition for "organization" is pretty broad, so alot of the contents of that revert could be justified, except maybe Dolomite giant. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 12:34 PM PST 26 Jul 2009


 * Ah well. A lot of them I removed look like a single mob, a race, a village, etc. Warcraft III has many organizations, yet I was told they were more like "teams" or "groups". Something like that. Looking at the Organization article, it looks most of those I mentioned from Warcraft III are okay to be called organizations now. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 00:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

World of Warcraft mineral items cat
I'm on the verge of demolishing Category:World of Warcraft mineral items as a particularly silly and redundant concept. It may originally have been conceived of as a 'mining crafted items' sort of category, but at this point, the only entry in it that I don't have an argument with is Stones; and one sub-cat does not make a category viable. (Other "ingredient items" categories include other things like, say, frostweave cloth. Clearly not mineral.  Elemental items.  Not mineral.)  Thought I'd ping you first. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There is nothing wrong with the category, it is just being misused. If you look at the mineral article, it explains what kind of items should be in the category. It used to have the right items and sub-categories, but apparently some people went and removed it and started adding inappropriate stuff. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 2:19 PM PST 30 Jul 2009


 * The definition in Minerals is still fairly weak, or the tables within the page are poorly maintained. How does "Minerals are precious stone items often usable as an ingredient for professions" not encompass things like "dense stone"?  And how does it avoid the common definition of the word, which would include all ores as well?


 * As an instance of how unevenly the Minerals page has been maintained, Northsea Pearl is on the list, but Jaggal Pearl is not.


 * Would you do me the favor of describing those features that all Minerals have, and all non-Minerals lack? I could speculate, but I'd prefer not to.  Partially, I'd like to see how Mineral Items would change, or be included with, the gem items categories we're currently developing. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, we need to decide if the WoW meaning of minerals means minerals as in crystalline, mined, or generally anything inorganic. I think it is okay to call anything mined a mineral, but I think it is a mistake to include all gems as minerals. Lots of pages are poorly maintained. This is just one of many.
 * You may be wondering why I'm not fixing these kind of things, even though I appear to notice them. Well, consider it a self-imposed restriction of my sabbatical. I will randomly fix minor things, but I'm not going to do any major changes or changes that require alot of repeated small changes. Part of the point of my sabbatical is to observe how WoWWiki is doing without my usually very active involvement. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:15 PM PST 30 Jul 2009


 * Okay, then!  I'll restrict myself to asking you only two impossible things per day, then. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I am dissatisfied with the current gems and minerals footer navbars. I have created User:Eirik Ratcatcher/Raw Gems SB, and would appreciate comments on it, if you can spare the time. I wrote it on the principle that people who are interested in gemcutting would want to know about only the cuttables (asy, from Lionseye), folks interested in jewelcraft gems would want to know about the 'minerals' (say, from Tigerseye), and that there is an overlap between those two areas. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for updating Blasted Lands portal locations
Glad to be of assistance. --Joshmaul (talk) 01:24, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Medievaldragon
Just sent message to wikia. I had a request to replace the stormrage cover with a low res image. Please, remove the revert-images so they are no longer public. Thanks. I replaced the original hi-res on blizzplanet too. {unsigned|Medievaldragon}} 17:13, August 13, 2009


 * See User_talk:Medievaldragon. Someone re-uploaded the lo-res image to WoWWiki and replaced the hi-res one. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:53 PM PST 14 Aug 2009

Engineering specialization
With 3.2.0, there are now quests you can do to switch engineering specializations. I know little more about them than that while Eirik/chromaggus (my main) is currently a gnomish engineer, I see both a 'gnome engineering' and 'goblin engineering' quest from particular critters in Ironforge. I'll have to level an alt to where they can get to that point, and have them swap... I noticed you'd copied old notes on specialization swapping; those are at least partially obsolete.

The big difference seems to be that you *probably* don't have to re-level your skill. ... which would imply you do not lose those recipes you'd learned from Schematics (except possibly ones linked to your old spec). IE Mote extractor stays with you. ... maybe. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the Patch 3.2 notes you can do it for a fee. I have 400+ engineer, so I will investigate this also. I just put the patch notes in the Switching specializations section for now and comment out the old stuff. I'll fill it in as I find more. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 2:03 PM PST 20 Aug 2009

WoW professions category
I noticed you made the Category:WoW professions category, is it not a duplication of the Category:Professions category, or do you plan on moving Professions over to WoW Professions? -- 22:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * See User talk:Jrooksjr. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:21 PM PST 27 Aug 2009

I only asked because some of the sub-categories in Professions should be in WoW professions - so I assumed you made the category WoW professions. -- 21:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank You Alot
thanks a lot for helping me...with your help now i can create a NPC box for myself :D now i want to ask how do yo put small pictures in front of your text?for example you write:Human then in front of that human text is a small picture of male Human. Again Thank you.
 * I think you were actually helped by A'noob, but I put instructions for NPC and mob links with small icon pictures on your talk page. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 6:14 PM PST 15 Sep 2009

Imagelinkectomy
Ok... I've whittled us down to a grand total of 7(!) pages that are still using imagelink. You possess two of them: User:Fandyllic/Sandbox and User:Fandyllic/Blizzard Folks. Any chance you can fix those two pages so we can turn this extension off? -- k_d3 00:51, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

thank you again mate ;)-corrupt goblin

Effecttip
← Out of interest, what uses of Template:effecttip require a line break after it by default? -- foxlit (talk) 20:54, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want just a buff tip that's not at the bottom of a table. Most effecttips are at the bottom of table cells, but for just the buff by itself it seems to pull following sections up and to the right if you have it default to float left. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 2:16 AM PST 19 Sep 2009


 * Based on that, I'd say that the (limited) situation where the tooltips should appear in-line should just pass |float=none to the template, rather than making that the default. This also matches how other tooltip-like templates work. If you've got any concrete pages where that template is used to display effects in-line, I'll be happy to fix those. :) -- foxlit (talk) 20:49, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Is this in the guidelines anywhere?
"It is better to ask forgiveness than to beg permission." I looked for it when I was having this distressing conversation with Morph but couldn't find it. 7:53 PM, 23 Sep 2009 (EDT)


 * This is not stated anywhere explicitly in policy or guideline on WoWWiki as far as I know. It is often used as a poor interpretation of WP:BOLD. Your conversation seemed sort of one-way to me. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 8:29 PM PST 23 Sep 2009


 * Ya you have to look back at his talk page to see the other half of it. I was wondering if adding that quote to our WP:BOLD or some other location might be useful. 3:18 PM, 24 Sep 2009 (EDT)

Re: Having problems with being reverted?
In the specific case that Howbizr referenced to you, I was having a problem with 1 specific admin, but there are actualy 2 admins that I been having revert problems with ( and 99% of the time when they revert they do not list why -- they just revert with no explanation - so I am forced to guess (I have not mastered my mind reading skills yet) as to why and finaly just gave up trying. -- 21:25, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Preferences
Not deleting would be nice; Removing the editing rights of the vandals would also be nice; Gourra already warned them 3 times its the same guy 3-4 times - Jellinator (talk)

Actually just delete it please someone keeps restoring it and i didn't even make the damn thing Jellinator (talk) 07:39, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Going to mark it for deletion then. Give people some time to complain then it's gone. 3:24 PM, 24 Sep 2009 (EDT)


 * We may need to lock it to prevent re-creation. G0urra recreated, probably just to be a pain. I deleted Server:Turalyon Europe/Jellinator again. There is no need to wait for complaints, as the chances of them being legitimate are slim. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 9:29 PM PST 24 Sep 2009


 * Gourra looked into the earlier complaints, seemed helpful. I got a message in game from Stidjen at the same time on the same topic, GM sorted it. Jellinator (talk)


 * Yeah, G0urra may have not understood why I deleted the page, but sometimes he's a little quick to undo some of my changes. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:57 AM PST 25 Sep 2009


 * and they call it puppy looooove =] Jellinator (talk)

Lord of the Rings
Who made that spoof on lord of the rings? BobNamataki (talk) 22:59, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about the male human joke in-game? -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 11:29 PM PST 21 Oct 2009
 * Or Kirkburn's, or Daladun's?-- 00:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Zinlis
He posted a stupid link (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007) on one of my pictures earlier today, and is posting sourceless crap...before I (or someone else) snap, slap him, would you? --Joshmaul (talk) 05:07, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I put this on Zinlis' talk page. Put him in WP:V, if he does anything more and a block will follow shortly. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:38 AM PST 3 Nov 2009

Thalia from Warcraftoverachiever.com
Thanks for the note, yes this is Thalia from Warcraft Overachiever. I would love to create a user page...but I'm kind of a noob at the code type for Wowwiki. I'm good with Word Press but I haven't learned what I need to make myself a userpage here. Any place you can point me to where I can learn? My husband is a coding wizkid so he might be able to help me also, he created my site as well as Maintankadin, I am behind the authorship of all the guides though.

Thalia

What a long strange reference...
Um... There was some doubt about the email being sent? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:18, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't get one, so I don't know if the words were made up or what. You'd think adding refs was a crime. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 11:19 PM PST 5 Nov 2009
 * By that logic we should be citing literally every single shred of text on the wiki, up to and including every quest and item in the game, just because "someone" might not have personally seen it. And Pcj already pointed out on the Lil' KT page that screenshots as citations are generally against the citation guidelines. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:33, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, most other text on the wiki can be seen in an easily accessible public source like the official sites, news webs sites, or databases. In-game official e-mails can really only be proven by screenshots. This is why WoW news sites use screenshots for new drops that haven't gotten into DBs. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 11:37 PM PST 5 Nov 2009