Talk:Boralus

Location
They showed Boralus' location? --Mordecay (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Other than mentioning it while talking about Tiragarde Sound and showing a quick clip of the area. Nope. 19:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think they did describe it, but we'll know soon enough.-- 00:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Although datamined, Boralus is on the islands in the straight right where I said that they said/showed that it was, so they did say that at some point.-- 03:38, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yey, I saw that coming. You mean those small four islands south of the Tiragarde Sound name in the map no? Between that and the big island to the south? --Ryon21 (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe.-- 05:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, this is gold. Good find! PD: Plunder Isle if my favorite in that list :) --Ryon21 (talk) 05:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Speculation section
Is the speculation section really worth having? As it says Kul Tiras is not the only human kingdom to be called a city state, but it acts as if it's the only human kingdom to have its own capital. On the contrary, Kul Tiras's situation is like Gilneas or Lordaeron or any other: while Chronicle calls it a city state, it has multiple towns and a capital. I don't really see a contradiction or a point in using the speculation section, unless you also want to argue "Gilneas was a city state in the Third War but then later other towns were built and Gilneas City became the capital of the Gilneas kingdom". ReignTG (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't really care either way. Xporc (talk) 23:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Kul Tiras is the only kingdom to not be ruled by a king and the only kingdom to not have its capital share the name of the kingdom. This contradicts earlier canon descriptions.-- 00:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Dalaran isn't ruled by a king either. Xporc (talk) 08:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay but that's not what the speculation section is saying. It's talking about something that applies to all of the human kingdoms. Also isn't Lordaeron's capital official named Capital City? ReignTG (talk) 01:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that what happened is simply time. Chronicles talks about city-states that were founded more than two thousand years ago so is highly probable that the name of some cities changed. Maybe at the beginning they were just city-states but little by little they begin to control more and more territory until Arathor collapsed and this city-states became fully functional kingdoms of their own ceasing to be city-states. I mean, what else could had been? Ryon21 (talk) 01:55, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I want to bring this up again because I still don't think the speculation section is necessary. I turn to the Gilneas example above again; Kul Tiras is not the only human "city state" to have multiple cities and a capital. ReignTG (talk) 04:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In Warcraft II wasn't Kul Tiras attacked? Does Chronicle says if it was the capital or just somewhere in the island? There's any mention of Boralus in Chronicle 1 & 2? For me I'd want to take out the Speculation but you know Blizz, always retconning lore. The explanation of the city-states is vague imo. Maybe when the expansion comes out we can clarify it more and take out the speculation. Hell, we can clearly see that the the Kul Tiras from Chronicle is retconed, just see the island itself. Same with Zandalar. --Ryon21 (talk) 07:08, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Kul Tiras was not directly attacked in the Second War; just their fleet. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Even though it seems logical, there's no canon explanation what happened to the city-state Kul Tiras, and instead we have Boralus as capital with no details, so I think it should be mentioned. While it is apparently that time happened, it is what the speculation says and what it is, a speculation. Even the dot of the city-state Kul Tiras isn't at the same spot as Boralus so that's apparently another retcon.
 * The city of Kul Tiras was attacked in the original RTS but that is apparently retconned by novels and the Chronicle (despite this, in Warcraft III Daelin mentions orcs attacking his homeland; this may, speculatively, be either about Kul Tiras or the Eastern Kingdoms). --Mordecay (talk) 12:31, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Just because no attack was mentionned in Chronicles, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Mat Burns told it :D Xporc (talk) 12:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea but Beyond the Dark Portal also omitted attack on the isle and its city and only described an attack on several Kul Tirasian ships. --Mordecay (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


 * But by that same logic, "there's no canon explanation what happened to the city-state Lordaeron, and instead we have Capital City as capital with no details." Every human nation has been called a city-state, but all of them have capitals and many cities. Kul Tiras is not alone in this. ReignTG (talk) 16:13, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


 * That's not true, tho. Chronicle 1 literally says that the city-state became a proper kingdom and city-state Lordaeron was renamed to Capital City at a certain point in history. That's what's missing for city-state Kul Tiras and capital Boralus, the exact (or at least approximate) time of when it happened (and if it really happened, considering the misplaced dot on the Chronicle map). But I get your example, and I am not saying it's not true, nor does the speculation says that there wasn't a transition, the speculation tries to question - or just defines a probable time period - when the transition might have happened. --Mordecay (talk) 16:50, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Removal
Why was this removed? Xporc (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Talia's story is slightly different, but it should have been replaced.-- 02:01, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Lets at least use in-game sources (quests / dialogues / gossips) as sources and not the abomination that is the wowhead datamined texts. --Mordecay (talk) 22:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I know, I was just starved for time and didn't wanted this information to disappear :( Xporc (talk) 11:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

City guide
Note for later uses: it might be cool to update our page with content from the wowhead city guide.