Talk:Muradin Bronzebeard

old comment
On the Harvest festival official page we can seethe dwarven ghost of a "fallen Alliance warrior". Thoughts ?-- K )  (talk) 08:58, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

Possible BOSS
Remember that Muradin got killed by Nerzhul's Frostmourne... Then I think he may appear to be a BOSS in an instance like the Icecrown Citadel. He could be a lieutenant of Arthas/Nerzhul

I wish you would sign yer comments. I find this highly possible, and I think it would yeild a great quest from Magni to redeem Muradin. It could also be like the Akama and Illidan event, in which Muradin could help the group kill the Lich King. Acjpb 22:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be sweet. Say - The spirit of Muradin is trapped at the location where Frostmourne was found and taken. It would make a great Magtheridon-style instance, and we'll be battling a famous alliance hero for once instead.


 * Muradin: FOR KHAZ MODAAAAAAAN!


 * Muradin /casts Avatar.


 * Raid /dies horribly --Raze 07:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Or parheps he will aid the fight against the Lich King after he's redeemed(?) This is just a speculation of me. (Duke Ragereaver 19:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC))

Last boss for Drak'tharon Keep maybe?--Morgaur 17:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Gryphadin
In Lands of Mystery, Brann Bronzbeard discusses how he names his trusty gryphon, Gryphadin in honor of his disceased brother. Anyone know the connection?Baggins 11:02, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Perhaps he's just referring to the "adin" part of the name? Egrem 17:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe.Baggins 03:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If so, then maybe Muradin's name is also influenced by what he is or what he did, just "adin" at the end. I know it is unlikey, but it could be possible. He could be Muradin because maybe he found Mur, but I guess that's a wild guess. Acjpb 22:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh? Gryphadin = Gryphon + Muradin. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Muradin's fault

 * Others think that it was Muradin's fault that Arthas became an agent of the Scourge; after all, he was the one who told Arthas of the runeblade, and he was the one who helped him acquire it.

Do others mean us or wow characters? Seems quite a stretch to blame Muradin for this. --Raze 02:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I saw it the RPG, but if not, than it is very likely that it is us that this refers to. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think the last line was in the RPG, otherwise I probably would have included itin the citation.Baggins


 * Thanks. I'll cut the line in a few days if no one has objections. --Raze 07:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Fanart
Here is the fanart.Baggins

At least this is better than that fan art on Arthas' page. (THIS IS A HELL LOT BETTER)--The last Alterac 09:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

i think we should have fan art by this artist to each character's respective page Dunnsworth 20:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Dead?
I just remembered something... Muradin was nevr really comfirmed dead? Arthas just ran after the explosion which means Muradin still might be alive... "Presumed Dead".. Any other thoughts on this one? Ofel

Well, we saw him being impaled by the shard from Frostmourne, and he seemed pretty dead after that, and Arthas told his men he had been killed. Plus, wouldn't someone have enquired by now to see if he wasn't dead, like Brann? In other words, I think he's definitely bitten the dust. Warchiefthrall (talk) 14:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Well but Arthas wanted everyone to hurry so they could stop Mal'Ganiz so he didn't want the others to waste time on searching for him even though he were alive... And he were being sort of corrupted. And the others most likely believed Arthas so they didn't need to search for him.. But I guess your right. Ofel


 * He's confirmed dead in the lore, and various sources. Unless he "comes back to life" deceased, dead, should be in the infobox. Also, Brann did go to Northrend to inquire about his brother, and found nothing suggesting he was alive.Baggins(talk) 00:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, there you go then :) Warchiefthrall (talk) 00:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to be perfectly clear:
 * Muradin is dead acccording to lore, and unless Blizzard states otherwise from an official source, he is dead. Do not add any more information from private/alpha servers or you will get a warning and possibly banned.

Thank you. 12:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Still worth noting he is only dead in flavor lore, and it could be subject to change. --Gurluas (talk) 12:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't call the WoW manual, and many other published sources to be just flavor lore until its confirmed to be flavor lore. Until then its just lore. Unless you are using the broad definition that all lore is flavor lore, and may not be accurate. In which case we could argue that every thing that appears to have died or may be killable may not actually be dead, even if sources say they died. Also note that the warning above applies to you also. If someone was told not to discuss things that break NDA, and you do, you are just as guilty. Infact the next person who discusses this issue, and leaks any information relating to it will receive a nice three day ban.Baggins(talk) 12:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I now stand corrected :) Warchiefthrall (talk) 23:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Muradin is not dead... this has been shown in WotLK when he wakes up with amnesia...

Sign your posts with four tildes. This discussion is old, before the release of Wrath of the Lick King, please don't comment anymore in this. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

WotLK
May I Now add that Muradin is confirmed alive Please?.. P.S: Well, you may be right it's just the beta, but I went straight to Frostmourne Cavern, got the orb, saw it, and he was damit alive!By the mother moon! and the white Stage! (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. Be bold. See also: Frostmourne Cavern -- k _d3 19:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmn, this is wierd, I thought the {spoiler} or something simular to that works, can someone quickly change it to the Spoiler signal ? I checked at Thrall's page and couldn't see any spoiler alerts I can copy (I thought there was one..) couldn't find anything, someone please, make it the Spoiler Alert! one, it's at the bottom of the pageBy the mother moon! and the white Stage! (talk)


 * We don't have spoiler alerts on the wiki - if you come here, you have to be prepared to see spoilers. That doesn't mean it should be thrust in someone's face, but if it comes under the heading "In WotLK" (or suchlike), people should know to switch off. 21:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

As Arthas told: "Muradin's dwarves? Doesn't anyone stay dead anymore?" :D --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 09:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Death in Warcraft is a lot like death in comic books. If the character is popular enough, they will come back from the dead.  At this rate only King Terenas, Uther, Lothar, Orgrim Doomhammer, and Grom Hellscream will probably stay dead due to the importance their deaths provided to the story.  Incidentally, one popular phrase among comic book/graphic novel fans was that only Bucky (Capt. America's sidekick), Jason Todd (the second Robin), and Uncle Ben (Peter Parker's uncle) are the only characters who will stay dead.  However, in recent years, both Bucky and Jason Todd were revived rendering that adage moot.  At this point I wouldn't be surprised if more Warcraft characters are resurrected in the future. (Omega2010 (talk) 21:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC))


 * Nothing bars those characters from returning, either. Remember what you just said. Muradin's death was just as important, as was the death of . If Blizzard wants a character resurrected, they resurrect the character. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Now that Muradin is confirmed alive, I bet Blizzard will transform him into yet another "good-character-turning-evil-raid-boss". I will never forgive them for getting rid of Kael'thas.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 23:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Crackpot Theory: With Darion Morgraine no longer the Horseman of War, and Muradin still "Alive." I think we've got a second dwarf in this four man band. (Arthos Ra, Mad Warrior-Engineer}

I will be furious if Arthas has got to him! Rather let him be "corrupted" by the Iron Dwarves of Thor Modan. Of course I still hope for him to remain a good character, but I wouldn't count on it. We have been disappointed far too many times. Apparently Blizzard thinks a character is "cooler" as a raid-boss than an ordinary NPC standing in a stronghold.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

At vert least, they let us "save" Kalecgos... But yea, I like the Iron Dwarf idea. Lets them squeeze Brann into the whole occasion too. (Arthos Ra, Mad Warrior-Engineer}

So what happens now?
Now that we know he's alive shouldn't we take his survival out of "survival possibility" Plus does anyone know what happened to him after he got amnesia?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  21:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I worry that the following will happen: One after the other Blizz will turn each and every character we got to know from the games before WoW and from the books before WotA evil and into raidbosses. Until one day some raiders will kill the titans and old gods and the game will end with the message: We gave you the choice between evolving the story or raiding like brainless suckers on crack. It was your choice to destroy the universe.--Maibe (talk) 10:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

video in caveren
Hes evil??? wheres the source. the only thing i could find while looking for stuff on him was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-WvSBHcsE which confirms he has amnesia.Krasusinwow (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I put the liberty of making a watchable video on the page if nobody minds. I don't understand why you dont make &#60;youtube>&#60;/youtube> an official mark up. there are a lot of good wow videos out there that would make pages look good. IDK my opinion.Krasusinwow (talk) 03:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Where does it say he's become evil? :S --WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 10:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

nvmKrasusinwow (talk) 01:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yorg Stormheart
In the recent patch a new questline in Storm Peaks for the Alliance has you help the Frostborn dwarves more. In one of the quests you are given the history of their king Yorg Stormheart who is a mountain dwarf. One day a group of them found a mountain dwarf in rags and no memory in Dragonblight and they were attacked by a Jormungar. The dwarf then threw a Stormhammer at the Jormungar killing it instantly and since he had no name they named him Yorg. It seems pretty likely Muradin Bronzebeard is Yorg Stormheart judging by this. I'd imagine this is eventually found out in the quest but one of the quests of the chain is broken at the moment. Leviathon (talk) 04:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds plausible, can we get a picture of Yorg?--Gurluas (talk) 04:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Here he is: Leviathon (talk) 04:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure looks like Muradin. However, this is still speculation and should not be treated as fact. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 05:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

When the current bugged quest is fixed I'd imagine we will find out later in the chain as the entire chain is helping out Brann. Leviathon (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's another screenie, with dialogue. Althallen (talk) 12:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

So should we put some speculation about it then? Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 12:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should wait a few days before adding it not as a speculation but as official... Just wait someone ends the questline. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 13:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I concur. We've been trying to cut down on speculation in general. In this case, when speculation is probably true, we might as well wait a bit. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The ending quest is named The Brothers Bronzebeard, which involves escorting brann back to frosthold in his flying machine. To be honest this really means yorg IS muradin. And it probably ends with brann seeing yorg and is like "OMG MURADIN!?" because really if your own BROTHER doesnt recongise you even if you have been presumed dead and go by a diff name then really who will?--Whitedragon254 (talk) 16:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh? We're waiting for a little while just to make sure, as part of a general reduction of speculation. Your edits have been reverted because a consensus was reached, and you went against it. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 05:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If the last part of the questline was fixed in tonight's build then we will know once the servers are back up. Leviathon (talk) 04:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Finished the questline. Yorg is Muradin and it seems very likely he will aid us in the fight with the Lich King to right how he never stopped Arthas. Can see the images I took here: http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l69/leviathonlx2/ Leviathon (talk) 05:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you intend merging the two articles, Muradin and Yorg?Dakovski (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not unless the NPC's name changes. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And how about putting lore information in one article and WoW information(quests, etc.) in the other one like Krasus and Korialstrasz?Dakovski (talk) 15:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahem, Daval Prestor and Deathwing, Katrana Prestor and Onyxia. Yes we do have seperate pages for "aliases".Baggins (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * As you can see, Dakovski, we're old hands at this. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 16:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

We'd allow allow lore on the Krasus page if it was written from the POV, that it doesn't reveal his true identity until towards the end of the page. Like in Daval and Katrana pages.Baggins (talk) 16:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point, but still, shouldn't we just put some of the current information to the infobox, i.e. location and occupation?Dakovski (talk) 17:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Right, just like the Onyxia and Deathwing pages have the complete info of the characters.Baggins (talk) 17:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Lost Vikings?
In that old Blizzard game there where three Vikings, one red, one blond and one inbetween. Doesnt it strike you as odd that the Bronzebeard brothers' haircolour matches them quite closely from red to blond. And they are also three. Could it be a refference to that old game. If that is the case then the final battle with the Lich king might be nice to watch. Because they Brann (after doing his discovery) and Magni (probably in Northrend to see this amazing discovery) probably join the figth. Sorry it just struck me that it was quite canny, because they also modelled the Dorfs a abit after them :D. Oh small addendum, both Brann had a tendancy to get LOST and Muradin was LOST hehe ;). Maybe I'm just happy for Magni to finally get some good news and that makes me hyper. The man was betrayed by Katrana on multiple ocasions, lost his daughter and thougth he lost both brothers had the Alliance treat them quite badly from time to time. Yet stayed loyal, he deserved a little reward for that... the old git ((hugs the hairy bugger)). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Your point about the correlation between the three Lost Vikings and the Brothers Bronzeberd might have merit. As for your other comments, I remind you that this is not a forum. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that I was just quite hyper that day, and found it a bit silly (laughing) the way the events came to show. You could almost cue the Eastenders tune during the Brother meeting that Soap opera it is. Again my apoligies, I didn't mean to go all extreme hyper on you all.--Dehnus (talk) 09:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Retribution Aura
This image was being used on Muradin's page because someone from Blizzard included it in a gallery here... ... but they made a mistake, because Muradin doesn't have a brown beard, doesn't wear Lightforge Armor, doesn't wield a two-handed mace and isn't a paladin. Egrem (talk) 23:40, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/14301664/muradin-hero-week
 * http://www.glennrane.com/products/4184423-retribution-aura
 * http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/viewer.php?artist=raneman&cat=warcraft&art=1


 * Just because that is what the art was originally used for doesn't mean Blizzard can't use that for Muradin. Fact remains that Blizzard assigned that art to Muradin on their site as "official art and screenshots." Without confirmation that it is indeed a mistake, it's not up to us to decide that it isn't Muradin when Blizzard says it is. Also, his HotS art/model has him with a browner beard than the blonde found in WoW. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Aqua. Blizz used a picture of a draenei and assigned it to Maraad on their WoD page. Loreology even confirmed that and it is still in use. It is truly not up to us :) --Mordecay94 (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Artwork made for Nozdormu was colored red and used in the magazine for Alexstrasza. Some art for Molten Core has been shifted around.-- 17:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Blizzard also used an image of Kalecgos on Malygos's Hearthstone card (since Kalecgos had TCG art and Malygos did not), but that doesn't make it a picture of Malygos. In this case, we have artwork of a dwarf who is wielding a two-handed mace and wearing the Lightforge Armor set. He has a visible Retribution Aura beneath his feet, and the skeletal warrior striking him is taking damage from the effect of that aura.  Unless we want to change Muradin's character class from "mountain king" to "paladin", it's safe to assume the character being depicted is not Muradin. Egrem (talk) 03:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)