Talk:Mok'nathal

Mag'har?
I'm a little skeptical on how the Mok'nathals look in WoW. They seem real similar to the Mag'har of the game. I can't hint at all of any ogre relation to this clan.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * The current models for the Mok'nathal are just placeholders. They aren't the only half-breeds that don't have a unique model (Arator and Lantresor are two that I can think of).  Also, don't forget to sign your posts.  I did it for you here. --Maenos 22:07, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Although Cycle of Hatred also said that they were mostly half-ogres, that would mean some in the clan were likely full-blooded ogres and orcs as well.Baggins 18:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Languages
The language list originates from the Horde Player's Guide, and is the given primary and secondary languages that mok'nathal/half-ogres speak according to lore.Baggins 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why would orcs and ogres who live in Draenor who have almost no meetings with humans speak the language of humans over the language of orcs. It makaes more sense for them to speak orcish and ogre(or whatever the ogre language is called). Zarnks 00:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Common isn't a "human" language. Its a "universal language", ask blizzard why they decided to do that. Common being used as a universal language has been practiced since the RTS games....Baggins 01:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Even if isn't human language,its certainly is a Azeroth lanaguage. Zarnks 01:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope not actually, its just a "universal language", that means a language of the universe. It does nto have a specific Azeroth history. In anycase seems that many races previously thought to be of Azeroth have had ties to Draenor as well, which implies a Titan seeding of the world, much like Azeroth, or influenced other beings. Old Gods, Ancients (one of the ancients in TBC discusses that he is a few hundred years old and that his Blade Edge Mountain grove was destroyed a few hundred years back), Sand Gnomes are mentioned in TBC to have been said to have on the world for a very long time. Even non-sentient species like wolves, scorpions, etc are indigenous to both worlds. If titans were the ones that seeded the world then they could have brought the Common tongue with them. The old gods (such as the ones that Arrakoa were contacting) that had influenced the world could have also brought the language along as well.Baggins 01:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Clan capitalization
Unlike most clans, this one was specificallys pelled "Mok'Nathal Clan" in Cycle of Hatred, should we follow that books lead for the page name?Baggins (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Cycle of Hatred = ew. I wouldn't call that piece of crap book as a lore source anyway. All clans should be " clan", not Clan". 19:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify, how do you spell this and is it a race and/or clan? I think the term "Mag'har clan" has been used in lore, yet the article on WoWWiki is called "Mag'har", while this page has clan as part of the article name... Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 04:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you think "mag'har clan" has been used in lore, then find a citation for it. What you "believe", and what is actually said can be two different things.Baggins (talk) 04:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay skip that for now. How do you spell this? "Mok'Nathal" because it is a clan or "mok'thanal" because it is a race? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 04:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I"d suggest sticking with "Mok'nathal clan or Mok'Nathal clan" when describing the clan, and "mok'nathal" when describing the race.Baggins (talk) 04:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrm okay. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 04:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Rex pox
The mag'har are supposed to be the only ones who were not affected by the red pox, but if this clan has orcs in it, then it looks like they also escaped the red pox as they look like mag'har, uncorrupted. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 04:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you sure about what you just said about the red pox? I'm pretty sure that Grom's son had the red pox in Beyond the Dark Portal, its apparently what kept him from turning green.Baggins (talk) 04:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You've got it backwards, Roland, the mag'har were afflicted with the red pox, and as a result, avoided the corruption. The Mok'Nathal might have caught it (which might account for their death), or avoided the corruption by remaining at the fringes. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 04:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh man. Okay so reverse my question. The red pox was "bad" not "good", except for the possible defense against turning green. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 04:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Name Meaning Section
Under the section "Name Meaning," it states: "Leoroxx, Rexxar's father, states that 'being born a half-breed does not make you Mok'Nathal', implying that being Mok'Nathal is not a racial designation, but rather a philosophy. It may also be related to the fact that not all Mok'Nathal are half-ogres"

I find this to be a jump to conclusions and that the individual who wrote this, without further proof of what is said, misread it. Mok'Nathal would actually be a racial badge to those who are half-born, but not available to all who do not live up to the "code" necessarily. Its like saying: "Being born of German descent doesn't make you German."

It is a philosophy, yes, but one with which a condition is being that race. "All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles." It would be the same as saying, in WoW terms, "All Mok'Nathal are half-ogres, but not all half-ogres are Mok'Nathal."

The beginning also says that "but apparently has members of other races as well," using the same reference. I haven't read the book being referenced, but without some more available information (more quotes someone can give?) I have to say that it was a misreading and that all Mok'Nathal are indeed half-ogre. -Werewolfe83 (talk) 01:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Uda the beast?
Uda the Beast the horde innkeeper in Dalaran seems to be a Mok'nathal, judged by her much taller and larger body, which seems to be what sets Mok'nathal and Mag'har apart ingame.

Should we add her?--Gurluas (talk) 14:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Horde
Im not all that familiar with Blade's Edge but, this tribe seems Horde aligned for game mechanics. I only say this because Leoroxx disowned his son for joining the Horde.  (talk contribs) 20:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * From what I remember from the blades edge questing experience Leoroxx is willing to let the Horde agents prove themselves to the Mok'Nathal. Besides Leoroxx disowned Rexxar for working with the Old Horde. Anyways after the Horde agents prove themselves the Mok'Nathal are more willing to aid the Horde and stuff. --Sairez (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, they don't seem to mind working with the Horde, but they've never officially joined them. 22:42, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Should we just leave them as Horde then? [[Image:inv_helmet_44.png|22px]]  (talk contribs) 22:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Might as well... and they should really be moved down from Horde forces to Horde allies in the Horde article. 22:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)