Talk:Nazgrel

Where does it say he is a Far Seer? And does anyone know what Clan he is from? -Rovdyr 17:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Nazgrel is from the Frostwolf Clan. As for him being a Far Seer, there are only two things supporting it, and neither of them looks like sufficient proof to me. First, the name Nazgrel is listed among the standard Far Seer hero names in WC3, which is of course not canonical. The other is that he is dressed like a shaman in Thrallmar. Typical style of Lunarfalls, I might add, they love to make up such speculations and present them as official lore. PRH 08:14, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks -Rovdyr 10:20, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I've readded Nazgrel's Far Seer connection to class list, put up the (WC3) tag (as a warning), and also noted questionable nature of the classification over in Far Seer article.Baggins 23:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I still think that the Far Seer class shouldn't be listed in Nazgrel's infobox, since the box is meant to display information about Nazgrel the Warcraft character, who was never documented being a shaman. If you want to mention "Nazgrel" as one of the standard Far Seer names in WC3, a short note at the end of the article will suffice IMHO.
 * PRH 14:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nazgrel is literally a reference to the Nazgrel character from the cancelled Warcraft Adventures, they were not intended to be "seperate characters", but a direct reference. Why they attached the reference to a far seer is unknown. It is a new policy to add the tag (wc3) or related source, whenever a certain class might be questionable, see Talk page for Daelin Prouudmoore.Baggins 00:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

To be fair we don't really know much of what Nazgrel was or his importance in Warcraft Adventures, for all we know he could have been a shaman or far seer, in the storyBaggins 03:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

All we know from him before WoW and the Kalimdor invasion is that he was a veteran of the Second War. --Eman91


 * Well obviously if Nazgrel is a shaman in the TCG, then its support of him being the variant class of far seer as well.Baggins 07:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The same TCG that classes Velen as a shaman and Lor'Themar as a paladin? Xavius, the Satyr Lord 20:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Lor'Themar might be a paladin, but he seems more or less a warrior. But Velen is definately not a shaman. While many Draenei were taught shamanism by the orcs, Velen is a priest. This is made appearent by his appearence in WoW, and the fact that he founded The Aldor. Eman91 23:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Eman91


 * Yes, that is what I meant, that the TCG cannot be trusted on issues like this. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]]  Xavius, the Satyr Lord  (praise) (creations) 14:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Veteran of the Second War?
"As a veteran of the Second War, loyal soldier of Orgrim Doomhammer, and a former prisoner of the Alliance internment camps, Nazgrel despises the Alliance, and humans in particular."

Where does this information come from? I've searched the WoW quest texts, CoH and HPG and found no confirmation of the above quote. The WoW manual states that Nazgrel is a member of the Frostwolf clan, which never took part in the Second War, and that Nazgrel was with the clan when Thrall first came to them, which means it's very unlikely Nazgrel was in the camps either. PRH (talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft Adventures
To avoid a edit war: I don't think that the information from that cancelled game is canon. It contradicts the story told in Lord of the Clans, so it isn't included in Thralls page and furthermore I highly doubt that Zul'Jin was selling garbage or that Thrall ever had an encounter with Deathwing and Alextrasza. --LemonBaby (talk) 14:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't write the page on Zul'jin so I'm not sure how it was phrased, but please don't delete sections of articles containing lore from Warcraft Adventures wholesale. It's been in many articles for a long time, and it even has its own category. As long as its marked as from Warcraft Adventures, it is marked as possibly non-canonical. Even if it id blatantly contradicted by other lore (like Deathwing's appearance), it can exist in its own section of the article, as a sort of speculation or character-development history. In the case of Nazgrel it is not contradicted at all - infact his later appearances and the lore in the Lord of the Clans book strongly suggest that much, if not all of what happened in Warcraft Adventures regarding Nazgrel and the Frostwolf Clan did happen. Just because it didn't make it into the book doesn't mean it never happened - it's better than a black hole in the lore.--Weasel (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all I didn't delete it, I moved it to the Triva/Notes section. Like it was done with Deathwing and Alextrasza. Possible non-canonial apperiances shouldn't be within the main article. The main section should only contain "canon" lore. --LemonBaby (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought you deleted it. Yes, I suppose it shouldn't be under ==Biography==; that was just the way I found it. I don't think it should be under Trivia/Notes however - it is by Blizzard, and should have it's own part of the article for people to consider it, as it could be very important to the lore.--Weasel (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is made Blizzard, but it is not official released by Blizzard and thus not official. It is like Archbishop Benedictus betraying the Alliance on PTR. It was made by Blizzard but not released. Thus not included in his Biography but in the Trivia-section --LemonBaby (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unlike with Benedictus, this information hasn't been contradicted by later lore. I'll move the information to its own section, as I really think it has much more potential value than as trivia.--Weasel (talk) 02:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Age
Since we see Nazgrel in Draenor as a small child, and we know Draenor takes place 35 years in our past, I think it's safe to assume that Nazgrel is anywhere from 38 to 41 years old in our timeline, since Orcs are average height by the age of 6 and he is still represented with an Orc child's model, so he has to be younger than 6 in the alternate timeline. Cannibeans (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a nice catch. I'd say put it in the speculation section since it's not very definitive, being based on AU and game model appearance. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 20:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)