Talk:Worgen

Playable Race
Wow.com has just reviled Worgen (along with Goblins) to be a playable race in the next expansion (WoW: Cataclysm). I would add this information myself, but I don't know if this information is vetted yet. Plus, I don't want to screw anything up.

http://www.wow.com/2009/08/10/cataclysm-races-leaked/

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Will not be added unless its been made official. WP:DNP. 20:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That article is ridiculous. It only gives two "sources", one of which doesn't even mention races - it's just blatant theorizing. Remember, blogging != journalism. 9:44 PM, 10 Aug 2009 (EDT)
 * I agree with that statement, and if blogging ever does replace, real, actual journalism, we are all screwed. That article is ridiculous anyways. I want new races in the expansion, but I'm not getting my hopes up, nor do I think the articles should be changed until Blizzard themselves make an announcement.Vulpes Wolf (talk)

The theory totally makes sense. The files, the art, all leads to it. But even if one (like me) loves digging files and etc, we still have to wait 7 days for this information to be confirmed... Who knows if Blizz don't wanted to play with us making false tips. Azahel (talk) 19:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Red herrings FTW.-- 20:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's true, all the same. Can't wait to see who's right!! 2:56 PM, 15 Aug 2009 (EDT)


 * It's true, confirmed at Blizzcon around 12:30 PST. Bwahahaha, Naysayers! Sedurut (talk) 02:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hardly. I always thought it was true, but WP:DNP is part of being an official fansite. 1:12 PM, 28 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Racial Traits
Am I the only person who thinks the Worgens have overpowered racials? 70% Speed increase for 6 seconds is OP when used in conjunction with Sprint, Blink, Aspect of the Cheetah, etc. It'd be fine if it triggered the cooldown on all similar abilities, but I doubt it will. Skinning faster without a knife seems pretty unfair as well, since you could easily steal someone's skinning mob when they started before you. Abberation would cause a LOT of Horde Warlocks to become very angry in PVP. As for two forms, that seems to break their lore, don't you agree? They're supposedly cursed, which should mean that they're stuck as a Worgen forever. But no, they can transform into Humans whenever they please.

Discuss. Navalu (talk) 05:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Um, since when does any worgen in the game stay in one form? 85% of them use either appear as human or worgen. Highly doubt the speed increase racial (also, btw a 3min cd) will stack with the other speed increasing abilities. Skinning is already what... 1.5 seconds, so if stealing skins is an issue, don't loot the entire body and wait till they walk off, so they don't need a knife... get a gnomish army knife, then you won't need half the tools in your bags either. And no, don't discuss, you want to complain about the racials, take it the official WoW forums. 05:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * First off, you have to remember that this is still pre-Alpha. Absolutely nothing is set in stone yet; lots of things can and will change. Hell, just think of how much changed in BC and WotLK between announcement and release. Secondly, they've said that they're going to be updating all of the other racials as well, which should balance it out a bit. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Female worgen model
This image was added to the article (just removed by me). To be honest it looks like a worgen female mask, placed over a female tauren's head, with an old worgen's body. Frankenstein's creation, as it were. 12:48, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll have to agree with you Kirkburn, cause i have seen a picture like that before, using the same skeleton (or something very close), but a custom head. 1 & 2
 * Aedror42 (talk) 14:33, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Forsaken body, human arms, worgen (male) hands and feet, worgen (female) head. The head is disproportional too. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 14:39, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreeing with Kirk - please leave it out of the article. 3:28 PM, 24 Sep 2009 (EDT)


 * I felt like it's fake though, but this goblins always looked lame to me. Azahel (talk) 17:30, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's fake. The creator likes worgen and has made fake playable-looking worgen in the past.  She whipped it up in an hour to confuse people yet again.  Rutéa (talk) 22:59, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

I've replaced the incorrect Worgen model with the official Work-In-Progress image released by Blizzard. I must say, I'm happy with the direction they took the design. I hope to see some nice hairstyles, and I'm just dying to know how their druid shapeshift forms will look. Kuroth (talk) 16:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * DON'T. This whole topic was discussing that image you replaced. 17:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

The old rumor
Does anyone still have that old rumor, back from 2006, about playable worgen? It was made up before the revamped draenei were introduced and people were wondering what race the Alliance would get. The creator made it only for fun, but it introduced the idea of the humans of Gilneas behind the Greymane Wall becoming infected by the worgen curse and losing their minds. This rumor caught on like wildfire and eventually, it seems to have actually come true. I'd like to see how this old rumor compares to what we know of them now. Rutéa (talk) 23:05, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is a copy of the post, reposted by the original author.-- 23:14, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

(removed own comment) Oakpack4 (talk) 00:17, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Pronounciation?
Hey, anyone know how this is pronounced?

No need for all the upside-down letters...just something like wor-jen or wor-gen... -- 14:08, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is spoken in the Cataclysm trailer...-- 16:53, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

In-game models?
Under the Description section the caption to the image Cataclysm Worgen.png says "In-game model of the new playable Worgen race." Where is the model located in the MPQ files? I want to take some screenshots with different armor in Model Viewer. SandersP (talk) 18:38, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * The new worgen model is not yet in-game, the picture is form the official site i think. Aedror42 (talk) 17:05, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * "[The new] female Worgen [models] don't exist in the game, and the the textures are way more detailed than most current in-game models." Source: http://esc-hatch.blogspot.com The males models are in the data files already apparently, but idk where to find them. SandersP (talk) 18:38, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * i'm 100% sure that the new worgen amle models arent in the datafiles yet, but i think that the article is refering to the old worgen amle models located in under Creature->Worgen->Worgen.m2 in the WoW Model Viewer. Aedror42 (talk) 19:09, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dang.. I really wanted to see them in 3D SandersP (talk) 19:20, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah me too, but i guess we'll have to wait bit more :P        Aedror42 (talk) 19:25, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Female NPCs
I wasn't sure where to place this. Anyways. Does anyone knows if Blizz will be changing the Females NPCs in Northrend to display to female model, when they become worgens, once Cata comes? Gamerd (talk) 04:22, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't even know if they're going to change the male models. They didn't update the worgen models in the old world for wrath with those new models, and they model they have for the players might only be used for the players and npcs from Gilneas... we don't know yet. When beta hits, we'll have more answers... right now during alpha its DNP due to NDA, even if we did have the answers. 04:29, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

So I see about the DNP. Ok. Guess like others will have to wait. I know how Blizz like to keep things "Hush-hush". Gamerd (talk) 04:36, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, the worgen in Northrend aren't using a new model; they just have armor on top of the old model. Otherwise, yes, you're right on the NDA point. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:32, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * They use two different models, Worgen and NorthrendWorgen. Although very similar there are slight differences (not including the armor). But yea for the most part they are the same. 17:21, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Messed up article
What is the purpose of the playable worgen article if this one has been hijacked?! --Drunkenvalley (talk) 14:05, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Slight information about the playable ones is not hijacking a page. 03:55, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Are they really Northrend Worgen?
While looking at some beta videos that takes places in Gilneas. I've noticed that some of the worgen that you fight are in many forms which includes the ones seen in Northrend. I'm remember the last time I've asked about the worgen (models) Coobra mentioned that there was 2 forms (Not the player ones). But by seeing these in Gilneas makes me wonder if they're just placeholders, worgen that stopped by from Northrend, or if they're really just another version that may be only for the quests. Gamerd (talk) 00:55, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The so-called "worgen from Northrend" are just the usual worgen wearing different clothing. These new models first show up in Northrend zones. They've got leather hoods, some armor, and claws. It's just to introduce some more variety to the models, since there are a ton of worgen around. Has nothing to do with where they came from. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 05:15, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Worgens' origin
The first paragraph of the articel says that "the worgen come from another dimension" while the second paragraph says that the "worgen once were powerful night elven druids that could shapeshift into their wolf forms". I'm no expert but I doubt that the night elf druids came from another dimension. Can someone clarify this please? Manski (talk) 12:56, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's called a Retcon and both accounts will be stored on the wiki for prosperity, NPOV and inability to resolve retcons on Blizzard's behalf. -- 13:13, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, given that it was an explicitly in-universe account claiming they were from another dimension, it's easily possible for Ur to have simply been mistaken, or that he was looking into the Emerald Dream and failed to recognize it for what it was. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:06, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly! Not a retcon, but a misunderstanding by an in-game source (which I'm sure wasn't Blizzard's idea at the time they wrote about Ur, but something that actually fits in quite well, and gives cohesion to the worgen background). -- 15:36, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't by into arguments such as that, because it then throws into doubt every single in-universe piece of lore. It's a retcon, and they can get away with it more easily than the blantent ones because they can simply discredit the in-universe source rather than themselves.
 * The fact they don't provide any actual new lore to state the source was wrong, stinks of unresolved retcon aftermath because they just cba to address it. -- 15:48, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it doesn't need to be addressed. How would Ur know anything about the Emerald Dream? Any way you look at it, and even if Ur's research would've been added in-game today, he would've thought it was another dimension. Perhaps an easy solution for Blizzard, but nonetheless one that works just fine. And any in-game source can be discredited by Blizzard if they want to, without it being a retcon. Because any person in-game may have misunderstood. And that's most likely the case in this case. -- 15:57, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah... You clearly don't get what i said or the implications. Nevermind, doesn't matter. -- 22:07, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I get what you're suggesting, but the alternative is that every piece of in-universe lore, written by an in-game character, is infallible, which is also a poor assumption to make. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:21, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the alternative is that every piece of lore is true until stated otherwise – in-universe or not. The other argument is all in-universe lore is falliable and should be treated like fan speculation at best and never needs to be handled with retcons, which is a worse assumption to make and a messy situation, consdering a almost all lore from wow is in-universe. -- 14:19, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I don't think we really need to go to either extreme - both "everything is 100% true" and "everything that's said in-universe should be treated as speculation" are both poor stances to take. Statements made in-universe by characters CAN be wrong, if it turns out they didn't have all the information at the time, but that doesn't mean we should automatically assume that they're always wrong either. Rather, treat them as true until we learn otherwise, but unlike retcons to out-of-universe story materials it's much easier to handle retcons of purely in-universe information. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

"Alien to Azeroth"
For some reason they're in the (i dont know the name for this) little box for creatures alien to Azeroth. why is this, they're from Azeroth as they are a druid shapeshift of sorts. Undeadflamingo (talk) 18:38, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I'll also say that the introduction itself is rather confusing, likely due to the effort to keep both theories of Worgen origin in tact. My thoughts? 1) Preface the original theory of another dimension by making it clear "This has been disproven" before delving into all the details. As of now, I read a large paragraph and seem to get the message of "the above is false' only a good way into the article. 2)If we ARE presenting the druid/pack form theory as the de facto origin, then start with it. If its still being debated okay, I wont get into that, but if it is whats widely accepted, present it first. Let the reader get the true info from the beginning, then present the obsolete theory. Keltrick (talk) 16:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Capital?
Where did you get that Darnassus is the capital of the Worgen? -- 10:31, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Worgens are night elves?
So, according to the Faded Journal, worgen were originally night elf druids. How come the playable race then appear as humans when they're not shapeshifted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Because the playable worgen were humans to start with, and not night elves...-- 19:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * As a worgen player, you are a human of the kingdom of Gilneas. In the Gilneas questing line, you will be bitten by a worgen, which later gives you the curse of the worgen. So, the fact that they start as humans has nothing to do with the fact that the worgen race's origin lies in the hands of the night elves very very long ago. ( Luxor ( t / c ) 19:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC))

Confusion
I'm confused about the early history of the worgen: the "History" section of this page says that "The druids lost themselves to the savage nature of their chose form and descended into irreversible feral behavior. The other Druids agreed that they must be locked away, and cast them into an eternal slumber deep beneath a tree in the Blackwald.[2]". And that's ok. The note refers to the Faded Journal, that speaks of the savage nature and feral behavior etc, but doesn't mention anything about them being locked away, and instead tells that they were "saved" from the savagery by Ralaar Fangfire. Furthermore, there is the War of the Satyr to complicate the things. I've tried to put down a line, tell me if everything it's correct.
 * 1) After the War of the Ancients the night elves start to practice the druidism, included the Druids of the Pack
 * 2) Since the worgen form is dangerous, Malfurion forbids its use
 * 3) The worgen form is used during the War of the Satyr against the will of Malfurion and Tyrande
 * 4) The druids of the pack leave the night elf society, and in some way travel to Gilneas (on the other side of the sea) where they lose their mind to the worgen form
 * 5) Ralaar Fangfire comes and saves them from the savagery
 * 6) The other druids put the druids of the pack sleeping in the Emerald Dream, under a copy of Tal'doren
 * 7) The worgen form becomes a curse that can affect everybody and is passed by biting

Now, if the sequence is correct, what I don't understand are the links bewteen points 5, 6 and 7. Why does it happen? Thanks to anyone will bother to answer me. --  Forco   sussura agli abissi  13:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone who is better versed in the new worgen comic/graphic novel should anwser this with better knowledge of chronology, but, from what I gather, the Scythe of Elune turned the Pack Form from an insane wolf to an insane wolf-night elf hybrid that become contagious.-- 16:50, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, and so the other druids sealed away the worgen. That's the missing link. I should check if I can find the comic. Thanks! :) --  Forco   sussura agli abissi  19:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just another doubt: how the scythe came to corrupt these worgen? Was it in the hands of Ralaar, or they managed to retrieve it in some other way? --  Forco   sussura agli abissi  22:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Homeworld
A name might never be given but i've read from multiple places that worgen are alien.  (talk contribs) 05:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "According to Velinde's Journal, the Lords of the Emerald Flame are an incredibly powerful enemy of the worgen. They do battle with the worgen on their native homeworld, and Velinde Starsong got to know of this ferocious war through her use of the Scythe of Elune. Apparently, the struggle against the Lords of the Emerald Flame does not go too well, as the worgen found their enemy to be an unflinching one indeed."


 * It was revealed to be people misinterpreting the past or the Emerald Dream.-- 05:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * So the home world is the Emerald Dream?. [[Image:inv_helmet_44.png|22px]]  (talk contribs) 06:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Or the past.-- 06:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It's Azeroth. They originated from night elf druids assuming "Pack form". Then they were banished to the Emerald Dream, and recently re-emerged back to Azeroth. If you read the worgen lore, the quest text and the available canon info, you'll see it quite clearly. Playable worgen are Gilneans, while many of the NPCs are summoned worgen from the Emerald Dream, or infected people. --Oponyxal (talk) 09:35, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The Book of Ur and Velinde's Journal (and the RPG... shut up) imply that the worgen are from another world. Velinde's take is weird, because she should know what the worgen were, but apparently did not. As they are from Azeroth's past and are summoned from the Emerald Dream, what is implied by the books is not the case.-- 20:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the worgen were presumably a taboo subject amongst night elves, if Velinde was born after the War of the Satyr she'd never have known about them. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That or it was retconned: the War of the Satyr was first mentioned in the comic The Curse of the Worgen. The thing is... yeah, the worgen homeworld is Azeroth. --Cemotucu (talk) 21:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Well it was a pretty obvious retcon regardless, given that the whole Gilnean worgen thing was purely a fan concept that never had any basis in lore until Cataclysm. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The Book of Ur and Velinde's Journal's description of the worgen world aren't unlikely to be interpretations of parts of the Emerald Dream. It was probably not how it was intended when they were first written into the lore, but later added explanations, that, form how I see things, didn't turn out as retcons, but simply different explanations than we expected. --Oponyxal (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The retcon I was referencing is the whole War of the Satyr. I mean, Velinde searched info about the Worgen and NO ONE new nothing. I understand if the CC or the Sisterhood of Elune banned the registers of the war, but it seems really, really strange that nobody new nothing about the worgen at all. It's just... come on, the pups were going to exterminate the kaldorei. Someone should have know, even a civilian, even an artisan or a villager.


 * The world of the Worgen being the Emerald Dream is, in fact, a great twist and it's a thing that I like. THe only thing I dislike of the whole worgen lore expansion is what I mentioned: it's impossible that Velinde didn't discovered nothing... As well as how the hell the Scythe was founded by her; even if Elune gave it to her, why did the druids to nothing when such an artifact dissapeared?--Cemotucu (talk) 20:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Infected race: How to displays?
In the NPCbox there are some difficulties to display the ones that are Worgen cursed. Since, and almost all Gilneans are humans in a eventual special case, there should be a way to write this in the "|race" secetion. They are not just Worgen; Ivar, Alpha Prime and some others can be considered just worgen because they get into worgen (mind) permanetly. But to the ones who can transform at will, I propose something like "(original race)-Worgen cursed".Gabrirt (talk) 04:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You call this a discussion? It's just you saying something with no response. [[Image:inv_helmet_44.png|22px]]  (talk contribs) 06:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Made up titles.
Looking through the race pages of this site I see alot of titles I've never heard in lore before. This page is a good example. One Giant Angry Badger (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Human & Night elves
I know this would be a hard job to do but, shouldn't the worgen characters be listed as Worgen and then Human or Night elf, since they don't stop being their original race? Maybe only the ones that do not transform do not need any change. --Ryon21 (talk) 18:43, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's already what is done, in a lesser way.


 * Characters that we saw as human before being infected should all be tagged both as human and worgen characters
 * All worgen that are confirmed as having been night elves before should be tagged properly
 * Characters that switched between human and worgen during certain circumstances, like the Pyrewood villagers, should be tagged both as human and worgen
 * There are a lot of human worgen that are only tagged as worgen instead of human + worgen but they should mostly be secondary characters. Xporc (talk) 10:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Knowledge of the Worgen's Story
In vanilla, most folks who saw the worgen didn't know anything about them aside from the name. The humans in Duskwood imply they just made the name up. A common night elf sentinel had no idea what they were either (The Howling Vale (quest)). However, when a taunka druid was questioned about it in Wrath, Sage Mistwalker, he said he already knew about the worgen and immediately recognized one just by description (Alpha Worg). It's unlikely the taunka know more about the subject than the night elves, so does this imply Mistwalker knew it due to being learned as a druid? If so, did Malfurion and Cenarius not bother to tell *anyone* outside druidic circles about the worgen and want to keep it relatively under wraps? User:Malcior 8:00pm, 25 July 2018.
 * Sounds plausible! PeterWind (talk) 02:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)