Talk:Netherwing dragonflight

Reputation
how i can do reputation neutral-exalted? --Lotr 08:55, 2 March 2007 (EST)


 * At this time, you can't gain anymore rep beyond getting to Neutral. Also, don't forget to sign your posts (I added one for you). --Maenos 10:39, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Are there any official hints if killing dragons will continue not to decrease your reputation after next patch? --Lynos 15:14, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Nope killing any netherdrake will not make your rep go down (mainly b/c if you do you have no way of getting it back up and if they did put something in than everyone would be exalted before the quest even came out). --Kellsi

I'm at 4825/6k Friendly. I'll come back tomorrow to add more to the "On the 2.1.0 PTR" once the daily quests come back up. Getting tired of farming Netherdust between resets. (<3 getting bugged fairly consistently exiting the Fel Orc area and keeping the mount) --Kaydeethree 17:56, 15 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Skyshatter is a race based more on luck than anything else as far as I can tell. At least on my system (10-15fps ftl) Done all of the day's daily quests, 9/12k. --Kaydeethree 17:41, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

What does the "once daily" quests mean? Does that mean I can only complete it once daily or that only one person on the server can complete it once daily?
 * Daily quest  22:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The rep rewards upgrades are left in your inventory. The rep trinkets share the same cool down; So, you probably want to manually destroy the old ones. Also, the netherwing ally only works outside.
 * Danstaynn 07:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

and no longer works in arenas, as of today. 07:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you gain rep with this faction without having 300 riding skill? Or are you stuck at Neutral until you manage to scrape together 5000 g? --Rawtoast 03:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "300 riding skill is required to continue" It's said more than once in the article.   03:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

How was 1250 rep calculated for the "Neutral" cell in the Reputation table? Xen 16:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "All quests at neutral give 250 reputation with Netherwing, excluding the initial Netherwing Egg turn-in, which is worth 350 reputation." Count the non-daily quests and ignore the egg quest, do the math.  It's possible more quests were added and that value not updated.   17:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This is incorrect, In Service of the Illidari gives 250 rep, as well as A Job Unfinished... and of course all Daily Quests offered at this level and The Netherwing Egg quests, but the other introductary quests do not grant any reputation. Xen 22:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Then update it! The proffered format is to put the rep gain after each quest, that's how the other faction pages do it.   23:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

i dont see how the days numbers are correct, in particular i cant see how a player can get to friendly at the end of 2 days. Daos 00:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The page has been updated many times since those calculations were made. They need recalculated.   02:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * actually i forgot about the mining/gathering quests, so maybe the days are correct. Daos 17:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Day 1: Hated-neutral (42000 rep), Neutral quests (500 rep), Daily quests (1000 rep) Result: Neutral (1500/3000)
 * Day 2: Daily quests (1000 rep) Result: Neutral (2500/3000)
 * As I said, they need recalculated.  19:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The list is missing at least one quest, A Job Unfinished, which is at neutral, but it still won't get you to honored. I'll recount everything and get accurate updates to the timetable and quest lists over the next couple hours.--Hevach 09:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't take too long. Here's my notes so anybody can cross-check. I assume you finish all fixed quests (based on the article and the missing quest I added) and new dailies on the same day you reach a new rep level, and I assume you finish all the races on the first day, but as long as you get them while honored it won't effect the final day count.
 * Daily Neutral: 1000
 * Daily Friendly: 2050
 * Daily Honored: 2550
 * Daily Revered: 3050
 * Day 1 prequests: Neutral 0/3000
 * Day 1 neutral fixed: 500
 * Day 1 daily: 1500
 * Day 2 daily: 2500/3000
 * Day 3 neutral daily: 500/6000 Friendly
 * Day 3 friendly fixed: 2275
 * Day 3 friendly daily: 3325
 * Day 4 daily: 5375
 * Day 5 daily: 1425 Honored
 * Day 5 Honored fixed: 1500
 * Day 5 Races: 4700/12000
 * Day 5 honored daily: 5200
 * Day 6-8 dailies: 12850/12000=850 Revered
 * Day 8 Revered Fixed: 1600
 * Day 8 Revered Daily: 2100
 * Day 9-14 dailies: 20400
 * Day 15 dailies: 23450/21000=999/1000 Exalted
 * Day 15 exalted fixed: 1000 (overflow)
 * Netherdrake
 * Note that the day progression was actually spot on, it was just one day fast. An extra 500 rep slipped in there somewhere.
 * --Hevach 10:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted somewhere that just as a normal flying mount such as a non-epic gryphon will change from it's 60% form to a 280% nether drake while in disguise, as does the 310% swift nether drake from arenas, effectively decreasing your speed while on the ledge. I will leave it up to you all to find an appropriate place in the article. Garenas 9:51, 21 July 2007 (EST)
 * Be Bold! There's nothing preventing you from updating it yourself. -- 15:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh,it's not a point of me not being bold, it's a point of finding a proper place and way to add that requiring too much cerebration. In short, can't be bothered :P  Garenas 11:00, 21 July 2007 (EST)

Can i do the fly challenge quest with Flight form?

Quest titles in chart hosed
The quest titles starting after A Slow Death... all seem to be hosed. Can't locate where the error is coming from, the text is there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Was an issue with the new questlong that I had fixed then accidentally removed 17:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Quest revard money for lvl 70
(Undo revision 704857 by Special:Contributions/Yeoman (User talk:Yeoman) That info wasn't very useful in the table, and it's pushing the table to be too big)
 * That money revard is very actual, when ppl hit exalted, and they must decide, which quest to repeat JUST for money, as there is 10 daily quest limit, and there is Ogri'la and Sha'tari Skyguard daily quests too, in total 15 or so. So i was in search, wich quests to do, to get most money out of it. --Yeoman 07:30, 20 June 2007
 * The money rewards are better suited on the Quest pages themselves. And besides, every daily quest save 1 or 2 select ones gives you the same reward amount.--Syzgyn 07:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * When people hit exalted and don't want to grind other daily quests for another faction... That info is better suited for the daily quests page, or it's own article entirely.  The table is really wide as is, and it was starting to wrap and look crappy, even on my widescreen monitor.  Anyway, the point is, the data does not relate to the faction, it relates to players who are done with the faction.  Consolidate the data on another, more appropriate page.   15:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Department of Redundancy Department.
"Players that have at least one Gathering profession are able to complete one of the three gathering quests as well as Netherwing Crystals. Those who do not have any of the three gathering professions can only complete Netherwing Crystals so in effect players with a gathering profession have an advantage."

I tried to unclog this paragraph; it didn't really need the long version of the quest since the quest was listed like that above, and definately didn't need it twice, but it still feels clumsy to me. (Later edit: I also forgot to sign this. :-p) --Azaram 03:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Well done, Tekkub. :-) I'm at work when I read this mostly, and my brane is teh fried. Now, does anyone have any idea if you have multiple gathering professions to do more than one of the gathering quests? --Azaram 09:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Only one of the gathering quests may be completed per day in addition to Netherwing Crystals. -- 15:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Not 'the' netherwing.
Said in game, they do not call themselves 'The Netherwing' just 'Netherwing'. Nel says "ATTACK WITH THE FULL FORCE OF NETHERWING!!!" Not "ATTACK WITH THE FULL FORCE OF THE NETHERWING!!!".-- 18:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is true; I've seen it too... but much like (The) Outland(s), it causes clumsy sentence formation, so people will probably always add 'the' to it. 'Netherwing' sounds like a weapon, where 'The Netherwing' sounds like a group. --Azaram 04:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Why does helping the fel orcs raise Netherwing rep?
Aside from a couple of quests like 'A slow death' and 'Accepting all eggs', most of the quests that you do for Netherwing rep are helping the orcs that are enslaving the dragons, rather than hurting them. Collecting nethercite cargo in the mines, killing the beasties so the miners can work safely, collecting the pollen and crystals that the fel orc casters need for their spells, etc. Has anyone seen a justification for this anywhere? --Azaram 01:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you not read the quest text? Many nether dragons are too far insane out of fear or enslavement to be helped. you are doing these things to get 'buddy-buddy' with the fel orcs to destroy them from within.-- 01:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I know, but there are a lot more help quests than there are harm, it seems... --Azaram 02:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sacrifices must be made!-- 02:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's perhaps worth noting that quite a few quests have a counter to them, in the sense that one nullifies the effect of the other. The gathering quests and the work in the mines are supposed to help the orcs collect resources, but then another quest has you take out their transporters to mainland Shadowmoon Valley. The booterang keeps the workers busy, but then you poison and kill them. The attacks on the Scryers and Aldor are also a way to cripple the orcs. I know this isn't necessarily the order in which the quests are given, but it seems to make the most sense to me to see it this way. The only quests that really seem to have an effect are those in Nagrand. LastStand (talk) 23:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And those ones are of mutual benefit to everyone on Outland, not just the Dragonmaw. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Illidan Stormrage says: I expect to see this insect's carcass in pieces in my lair within the hour. Fail and you will suffer a fate so much worse than death.
 * Overlord Mor'ghor says: It will be done, my lord. "
 * ...whoops? Kinda glad I'm not really Dragonmaw now that Crazyman Illidan is pissed at their stupidity... Graptor (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Netherwing Dragonflight
Seek_Out_Neltharaku and Malfas_the_Purple_Netherwing_Drake, is one of the quests in which the term Netherwing Dragonflight is confirmed. I've moved the page to follow other, dragonflight pages.Baggins 09:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Who's Really Running Things, Anyway?
I admit to being a little confused. I recently did the quest line involving Tyri in Netherstorm with my human paladin (and tanked down Veraku alone, proving that healadins can take 'em down with the rest of them - needs three people, my foot!), but the fact that they're all marked "Netherwing" - and thus, forced me to set them "At War", because I had done the quest line to neutral - has led me to wonder...who's really in charge here? If the Netherwing flight is spread out in three zones (Shadowmoon, Blade's Edge and Netherstorm), but Neltharaku is the "Lord of the Netherwing"...how is Tyri taking these guys over? --Joshmaul 18:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe Tyri is of the blue dragonflight. She has a page somewhere that makes more sense of it, and in case you're concerned, killing the ones in netherstorm and blade's edge doesn't hurt your reputation.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 04:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I did know who Tyri was when I posted this. I've read the Sunwell Trilogy too, you know. :) --Joshmaul 07:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Tips
Modified an Entry and Added a tip to the "known bugs" Section:
 * Hunters with their pets out will not be placed away when the Disguise is applied, as such, they may run and fall into the Void. To Avoid this from happening, before traversing from the Contenent to the ledge, Pass over Dragonmaw Fortress, your pet should Spawn. Fly straight up untill you are out of range and he despawns. it is now safe to fly over the void. You can use this same technique for going from the ledge to the Continent.
 * Styyxx, Silver Hand --KoalaMeatPie 07:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

One question
The reputation chart is a little confusing what do the numbers stand for rep needed in addition to the quests or total rep needed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * It looks pretty clear to me, especially if you mouse over stuff that has a dotted underline. It says that the numbers in the first row, "quests," represent the quests that are not repeatable, ie. non-daily quests that can only be done once.  18:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Human Reputation
I'm waiting for my wife to catch up with me on this questline, so I can't check it out, but at the turn-in for Ally of the Netherwing, does the human +10% rep work for that 42,000 rep? So far as I can tell, that'd be 46,200 for humans - a sizable plus!--Pittsburghmuggle 23:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not afaik. 00:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * "afaik"? --Pittsburghmuggle 14:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * "as far as I know" -- k _d3 19:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I got the quest done on 1/20/08. Human rep bonus does not count.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

New Reputation
Neutral took me 3000 rep to get through and friendly requires 6000. Is this new or am I miss-reading the table? DaBombNL (talk) 23:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I am reading the table wrong. The quests rep row looks like a header row (I believe one of the comments above is about this too). DaBombNL (talk) 06:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Most people's first thought is 'that's how much rep I need to get to the next level?  What?  That can't be right!'  Some of them even tried to fix it, to the point they switched it to a transclusion to make it harder to edit.  Hopefully the addition of the amount of rep required in the actual header will help.  TBH when I see a problem like that, where most people read it wrong, I tend to think of it as a bad design rather than a problem with the people themselves.  If the addition to the header row doesn't fix it, I suggest switching the 'initial quests' row and the 'rep by quests' row.  The seperation hopefully being enough to make it clear it's not a header.  Graptor (talk) 11:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Updated Cash Reward
At 80, these dailies give 4g40s. Mileron (talk) 14:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Spirit of Sharing applies to Neutral boost
Having just finished the Sons of Hodir reputation on my alt, I found he had spare daily slots and decided to work on the Netherwing. As I had previously failed to kill Zuluhed the Whacked, I proceeded to do so and open up the Netherwing dailies. I had previously grabbed the Spirit of Sharing seasonal buff for rep increase. To my delight, I received 46,200 rep rather than the 42,000 I should have gained. The 10% reputation buff from the Spirit of Sharing applied to this where the human racial does not. -Recorded 11/24/09

Revamp
I've been doing some organization with the dragonflight and their related pages (shocking i know) and looking over the nether and netherwing pages i've realized they are misproperly arranged. The in game faction is called Netherwing, not Netherwing dragonflight. the infromation about the Netherwing dragonflight is on the Nether dragon page. So i want to bring these pages more in line with everything we have. First change the Nether dragon page into a page just about mature members like the other dragon pages and have a link to the main article at Netherwing dragonflight where we should have all the lore and members, and then a page simply called Netherwing with information about the in game faction much like we do for the capital cities. Any thoughs? Or non-thoughts even? Just wanted to give a heads up before such a large change. In conclusion:
 * Nether dragon - Page about types of nether dragons. Dragonkin type section about mature nether dragon (like red dragon) with link to main article at netherwing dragonflight.
 * Netherwing dragonflight - Page about the flight. history, members, etc..
 * Netherwing - About the in game rep faction. 19:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone? Last chance. 16:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed go on.
 * 16:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Life span
"We age swiftly at first, then it slows. But we are shorter of life. We do not live so long... Our energy fades... I have seen this with those who first hatched..." Someone needs to make a section on this. Kra&#39;Khed (talk) 23:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Relation to Deathwing?
I just want to be sure: Are all the Nether dragons related to Deathwing genetically? Or is it just Neltharaku and a few others and the rest are eggs of other brood mothers? Because if the first case is correct, then it seems like cousins are inbreeding....
 * I'm pretty sure they were specifically Deathwing's eggs. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)