Talk:Shadow Bolt

Why JP's statement is being removed
It's being deleted because Justin Parker is basically stating Warlocks practice Necromancy but aren't Necromancers..I'm not here to play games...you just can't suggest or state that Warlocks can practice necromancy without being practitioners of necromancy. It is an established fact that all Warlocks practice necromancy, what people need to do is get over it so that I can get over it.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 04:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * Statements made by Blizzard employees are not removed because you have a difference in opinion. Whether you like or it or not, they are canon statements, and if anyone needs to "get over" anything, it's you and your vehement disagreement with Justin Parker and Sean Copeland that is now and forever will be wholly unsupported by Wowpedia. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If it's WoWpedia's policy to treat self-defeating statements as canon then go right ahead...keep Justin Parker's statement up, but there is no arguing that Justin Parker's statement is self-defeating. Justin Parker's statement basically states warlocks practice necromancy but aren't practitioners of necromancy. I'm not going to "get over" anything until people stop claiming that warlocks practice necromancy but aren't necromancers.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * Justin Parker said both disciplines share some abilities, not that both are the same. Similarly, Shaman and Mages both use fireballs through different disciplines, but they are not the same. You are the only one seeing a self-defeating argument there. Cemotucu (talk contribs) 16:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) Justin Parker separated warlocks from necromancers but stated that they have overlapping abilities. Do you know what the definition of a necromancer is Cemotucu? The definition of a necromancer is a practitioner of necromancy. If warlocks have necromantic abilities overlapping with necromancers how exactly do warlocks follow different disciplines from necromancers? Are you forgetting that necromancer isn't a class independent of the warlock, mage, and shadow priest class? It's a branch of a profession/discipline. JP states Warlocks practice necromancy but follow a different discipline from practitioners of necromancy = He is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.
 * 2) Shaman harness the power of fire differently from how Mages harness the power of fire, your point that Shamans and Mages both use fireballs doesn't change the fact that warlocks practice necromancy (and therefore don't follow a different discipline from necromancers).
 * 3) And yes, I'm the only one seeing a self-defeating argument here because nobody here (except for me) wants to acknowledge that you can't practice necromancy without being a necromancer.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 17:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * You don't even care to explain why Justin Parker believes warlocks can practice necromancy (have necromantic abilities overlapping abilities with necromancers) but pursue different disciplines from practitioners of necromancy (necromancers).VisionOfPerfection (talk) 17:25, 3 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * I believe warlocks are necromancers (practitioners of necromancy) because they practice necromancy (they have necromantic abilities overlapping with necromancers). What's your reason for keeping Justin Parker's self-defeating statement up? If you're keeping Justin Parker's self-defeating statement up in order to embarrass Justin Parker or to point out his self-defeating statement to people then I'm definitely okay with it.


 * It's either warlocks practice necromancy (are practitioners of necromancy) but aren't practitioners of necromancy (aren't necromancers) OR warlocks practice necromancy (are practitioners of necromancy) and are therefore practitioners of necromancy (are necromancers). If you pick the former then you are defeating yourself. If you pick the latter then I'm right....so...go ahead and support Justin Parker's self-defeating statement like you always have...it's no wonder I've driven his silly self from twitter


 * If you are to uphold JP's self-defeating statement as canon then why don't you remove Gul'dan as a necromancer? Even though Gul'dan had necromantic abilities overlapping with necromancers he followed a different discipline from necromancers according to JP, ergo Gul'dan wasn't a necromancer. I am tired of pointing out contradictions and self-defeating statements to you and I am tired of being accused of vandalizing pages when I'm not. Stop reverting my changesVisionOfPerfection (talk) 17:39, 3 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * VOP, you have this infuriating attitude that you are always right. You refuse to consider anyone else's point of view, your debating style is extremely hostile and argumentative, and your usual strategy is to rant and rave at everyone else until they give up because arguing with you is, frankly, extremely exhausting. It is no wonder that you have driven Blizzard employees from Twitter with your verbal onslaught.
 * You are not the arbiter of what is right and wrong. You are not the expert on Blizzard's lore that you think you are. And you do not dictate Wowpedia's policy regarding canon. If this is not something you can accept, then Wowpedia is not the place for you. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have paid attention to what other people had to state but they are not considering what I had to state. You are not telling me your PoV, you are not telling me why Justin Parker is right. You are not telling me why you and Justin Parker believe warlocks practice necromancy but follow a different discipline from necromancers (practitioners of necromancy), and I can only presume you're not telling me your "PoV" because you simply don't want to acknowledge that I'm right. I've presented the fact that all warlocks practice necromancy (control souls against their will, shoot shadow bolts, etc.) but you and everyone else here are still claiming all warlocks aren't practitioners of necromancy and that is why I am hostile. My hostility stems from people claiming warlocks practice necromancy but aren't practitioners of necromancy. I want your point of view and I want to know why people believe warlocks practice necromancy but follow different disciplines from practitioners of necromancy. Do you honestly believe warlocks practice necromancy but follow a different discipline from practitioners of necromancy? =O Please tell me.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 22:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * Wowpedia's point of view on the issue is clear: Justin Parker, as an employee of Blizzard, is right. Period. End of discussion. It is not our job, nor would it be professional for us as an encyclopedia, to call him wrong and present our own interpretations of the lore over canon statements by Blizzard. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) I knew that you are incapable of telling me why you and JP believe warlocks practice necromancy but follow a different discipline from practitioners of necromancy.
 * 2) Justin Parker is not right, not if his statement is self-defeating. To state that he's right when he's obviously not is to blatantly lie.
 * 3) You are disrespectful, lying that JP's self-defeating statement is right and accusing me of refusing to see anyone else's point of view when I'm not. WoWpedia's point of view is that JP, as an employee of Blizzard, is always right even when his statement is self-defeating. I've seen WoWpedia's PoV and found it disgusting.
 * 4) Perhaps I need to reread WoWpedia's policy because clearly it's WoWpedia's policy to uphold self-defeating statements (that contradict established lore) as canon.
 * 5) If you are to uphold JP's statement as canon why don't you remove Gul'dan as a necromancer? You are treating JP's "canon" statement as non-canon when you list Gul'dan as a necromancer. According to JP warlocks have necromantic abilities overlapping with necromancers but follow a different discipline from necromancers = According to JP Gul'dan wasn't a necromancer whether you like it or not.
 * 6) I'm not going to make changes to this page anymore, I just want you to tell me if YOU personally believe warlocks practice necromancy but follow a different discipline from practitioners of necromancy (necromancers). I'll respect you a lot more if you tell me what you believe in instead of stating JP is right even when he's wrong....I'm not looking for WoWpedia's PoV, I'm looking for yours..VisionOfPerfection (talk) 00:33, 4 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * My point of view is irrelevant, because this is an encyclopedia. It is not a think tank to come up with our own interpretations and explanations of the lore, but a catalog of official canon. Statements by Blizzard employees are official canon. Personal theories and interpretations are not. If you are to continue contributing to this wiki, you must accept that. If this is not something you can abide by, then I suggest you spend your time elsewhere, as there are plenty of other forums for theorycrafting about the lore. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:58, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm pretty sure people are allowed to discuss their point of view on WoWpedia's talk pages, so please tell me yours. You've accused me of refusing to see the view points of others when I'm not. You've accused me of refusing to see the view point of others yet when I ask for yours you won't tell it to me because your point of view is "irrelevant"?...Okay
 * 2) So it's a theory that Justin's self-defeating statement is non-canon?....Okay VisionOfPerfection (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection