Talk:Shaman/Analysis

The Horde is loosing there Shamanism!!!
Its true, the more Human Like races of the Horde are making Shamanism a thing of the Past. Lets face facts that Shamanry is adapted by all the Ugly races and Non-Human Races. Orcs are Shamans, Draenei are Shamans, Quillboars have Shamanry, heck, even Furbolgs have Shamans. But unfortunatly, all the Beutifal races are not Shaman researchers. Know, there is a possability that there will be an added class to the Alliance. But the Horde is the main thing to worry about, based on the fact, people like playing as Elves or Humans (regardless of death or life) so the Horde is in trouble here. What do you think we could do to preserve Shamanry?

IMHO, it is stupid to give the alliance shaman. The alliance has a more European culture (humans being mideivel, and dwaves being scottish), while the Horde is more tribal (the Taurens are like native americans, for example). Therefore, it wouldn't make sense for the horde to be aligned with a race that has paladins, or the alliance to aligned with a race with shaman. --User:Quinn' Tonstern

Draenei aren't an ugly race, lots of people will play them as shamans. --Gadgetfingers

The reason alliance gets to play shaman is because the draenei were taught shamanism by a broken shaman. Also when they were taught they never knew they would have to escape from draenor to azeroth. So no its not stupid to let alliance play shamanism. Also horde gets to play paladin because the blood elves lust for magic has lead them to capture a poor naaru and suck out its holy magics. They are also allied with the horde the same way the forsaken are,they think the primitive races can futher their power. Also they wouldn't want to be allied with alliance because they believe the alliance betrayed them.-Hammerdin

Warlocks
Does not have much to do with shamanism but "Thrall banned the use of Warlock magic and necromancy. Because of this, there is no clear reason as to why there are Orc Warlock". I think most warlocks would try to stay hidden since they'd be åunished for using demonic powers.Zukhramm 11:26, 17 January 2007 (EST)


 * I think it's sort of implied that the orc warlocks keep their existence secret. That's why they're located in a dark pit, separate from the rest of the city (kinda the equivalent of a back alley in a rundown part of town). Obviously allowances have to be made, since this is a game above all else. But as far as the lore is concerned, I'm pretty sure that warlocks are meant to be an "underground" part of orc society.
 * --Bevans (FeldmanSkitzoid) 00:21, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * Not to that extent, I think. In one of the earliest parts of the game for Horde players, namely the questline involving Ragefire Chasm, Thrall is completely aware of Neeru's existence and occupation. He says something along the lines of, "there's a warlock in the city who believes he has my ear," implying that the two have, if not actually met in person, then at least corresponded. And yes, Neeru is traitor and yes again, there *is* something in lore about Thrall banning the use of warlock magic; however, one of the very first things an orc warlock is informed is that Thrall tolerates warlocks because they are still his kin and something about how, if he abandoned the warlocks, he would be as bad as the humans; I don't remember the exact quote. The obvious question, then, would be; 'How do you draw the line between such "legal" warlocks and the evil Shadow Council-type warlocks that we hate?' My own theory is that the warlocks of Orgrimmar use demonic magic to defeat the Legion at its own game in exactly the same manner as the Demon Hunters of the Night Elves and the Guardians of Tirisfal, and as such shouldn't be grouped with those warlocks who were banished from the Horde, including groups such as the Blackrock clan and the cults of the Shadow Council. --Djaevlenselv 11:44, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

I thought this part of the page misleading, so I adjusted it to read as it does now. Comments? Eryximachus 21:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Fel orc shamans
Does anyone else find it odd that Bliz have contradited themselves by making fel-orc shamans (can be found in hellfire). Admittedly they have named them dark shamans but a shamans power comes from respect of the elements and i doubt fel orcs have that. What do you think? --Diggory 07:43, 8 February 2007 (EST)

They may draw their powers from wayward, rogue elementals.

Ragnaros is probably a good example of this. Atleast, that's my theory.--Zexx 13:56, 9 February 2007 (EST)

A shaman's powers come from elemental spirits, not elementals. There's a subtle difference there (and one that Blizz has mixed up on more than one occasion). Elementals are basically chaotic beings whose motivations are mostly unknown. They don't empower anyone with their magic. The elemental spirits, and the various other spirits, lend their power to those who honor them and ask for their aid (which is what shamans do). The spirits hear "help me defend my people" and they may not care whether that person is good or bad, or maybe they hope that by lending their power to a being, that they'll help to lead that being to redemption. Or it's also possible that the dark shamans are augmenting their powers with demonic magic, and perhaps even forcing the elements to come to them.
 * --Bevans (FeldmanSkitzoid) 00:17, 6 March 2007 (EST)

On the Elemental Spirits page, it states that the elemental spirits don't care too much about good and evil, order or chaos. The spirits just care about keeping the world in balance, and shamans are the mortals that help them do that. So whether the fel orcs are good or evil doesnt matter. Beterthanu

If the Blood Elves can capture a Naaru and use it to make paladins, there might be some strong elemental somewhere captured by the Fel Orcs -Rovdyr 13:54, 10 March 2007 (EST)

In Warcraft 3 when the orcs drink the blood of Mannoroth they get "fel shamans" or something like that. Maybe they can ask for their powers to some other spirit different from the ones, or even the same, cause anyway the elemental spirits are not evil or good for what blizzard said. superfranz8


 * Did anyone notice all the evil corrupted elemental spirits that are in Nagrand and other places in the world? The evil evil ones are probably much easier to control by fel shamans.Baggins 20:04, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

The elemental spirits do care about extreme amounts of evil like the scourge and Burning Legion. They have always been shown to hate the Burning Legion. Elemental spirits also hate those who defile nature. Dark shamans get their power from corrupted elemental spirits,regular sane ones won't work with them. Zarnks 21:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)