Talk:The Sunwell Trilogy

Something is rotten in the state of Quel'Thalas...
...and I'm not talking about the scourge... Seriously...I don't trust Anveena....there's so much not going with the lore as we knew it (yes, i'm well aware knaak is not really known for sticking to lore as long as he can write bout dragons....no matter if they fit in wow-lore or not...) it almost smells as if the story as we read it was nothing but a giant farce to have Theron get hold of the energies of Kalec...Just look...If Anveena is the Sunwell...and Kalec accepts that she'll have to vanish if it is rebuild...where is the bloody thing now? Bloodelves fell to the legion or are on their way there. We have things that remind of opium dens and so on, but no sight of the clean energy of the sunwell anywhere...Something smells here...and if not...I shall still write a fanfiction for all this lore-twisting and -butchering just to excuse a new race, affliation or instance starts to get very annoying...Sorry for ranting...--Maibe 17:58, 7 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, according to the information under Kael'thas Sunstrider, it seems that a number of artifacts are needed to restore the Sunwell, among them Anasterian's skull. So the Sunwell hasn't been fully restored yet.  (I do wonder, though, where that bit about Anasterian's skull came from.  Maybe I missed mention of it somewhere) --Maenos 19:27, 7 April 2007 (EDT)


 * That's one of the problems I meant: The thing with the skull was seemingly retconned with the Sunwell Trilogy. Therefor, no skull or so is needed, just the girl. So, why is the well still gone and why do the elves go for fel-energies?--Maibe 05:24, 8 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Technically, the whole skull deal was just from a "campaign ideas" section for RPG players, which perhaps shouldn't be considered canon plot elements. Suzaku 16:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, we completely try to avoid using the term canon, lore(for the policy), unless its a specific quote from a Blizzard official.


 * Secondly, Brann calls those adventures as stories, rumors, legends, and other anecdotes he's heard during his journeys (essentially he asks later "aventurers" to check up on their veracity and see if they are true or not). So essentially they may have happened or they may just be rumors, but ultimately they do exist in universe as internal stories and lore, albeit more like flavor lore. Its something akin to the Tauren's origin of the druids story. The tauren believe they were the first druids in their legends, however the truth is that night elves were.Baggins 16:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Did Anyone Else Happen to Notice...
I was just reading Dragon Hunt a minute or two ago. In at least two panels, in the portion where Dar'Khan explains how he allowed Arthas into Quel'Thalas (one with Dar'Khan in the foreground, and the other that looked like everyone in the town was about to panic), the city architecture looked awfully familiar - to be more specific, it looked like Minas Tirith, from the recent Lord of the Rings film trilogy. Did anyone other than me happen to notice this? --Joshmaul 14:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're definetly not the only one; it looked exactly the same as the screen where the orcs start rushing through the gate as we get an aerial shot, the only difference being that it's a breeched wall.--Hawki 10:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Manhwa, not Manga
The artist is a Korean, Kim Jae-Hwan. Manga is a Japanese word and in English it means Japanese comics specifically. Classifying the Sunwell Trilogy as a 'manga' is wrong, as Korean comics are classified as manhwa. Go to wikipedia and search for 'manhwa' and you'll know why I insist on amending this. Calling this comic a manga will be outrgeous for Koreans. That includes me, by the way. (Though I'm used to this kind of misunderstanding that Korea and Japan are the 'same thing'.) StarShade 15:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Issues
I take issue with the a bit of the storyline presented in the Sunwell trilogy.

In Warcraft 3, Arthas, as a Death Knight before he became the Lich King, lead the Scourge into Quel'Thalas specifically to use the energies of the Sunwell to resurrect Kel'thazad. There was no subversion or traitor involved. The scourge assaulted the elves head on, killed Sylvanas Windrunner, and tore down the gates of Silvermoon City on their trek to the Sunwell. Once there, Kel'thazad was reborn as a Lich and the pure energies of the Sunwell were corrupted beyond use.

Now, I admit, I can see how saying Dar'Khan opened the gates for the scourge is a bit more dramatic and palatable from a lore point of view, instead of Arthas having to find three hidden keys to open it himself. But the bit about Arthas guiding him and empowering him isn't right at all. As I stated before, Arthas was only a Death Knight at the point the Sunwell fell. The Lich King was still a suit of armor frozen in a block of ice at that point. And while the Lich King did have the power to do all the things that Dar'Khan talked about, Arthas did not.

This is not to say the story is horrible. Quite the opposite in fact. The parts about the dragons I found pretty good. But all that stuff about the Sunwell just doesn't mesh with the story Blizzard already told.

--Samuraierick (talk) 08:42, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Arthas was the champion of the Lich King. There are numerous instances of Arthas performing feats beyond those of ordinary death knights. I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that he could give Dar'Khan a taste of the Lich King's power. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:56, February 26, 2010 (UTC)