Talk:Gul'dan (alternate universe)

Did Gul'dan summon Mannoroth?
Do we know that Gul'dan from the alternate reality summoned Mannoroth to Draenor? Can there be any citations included?--Adûnâi (talk) 00:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Gul'dan summoned Mannoroth in the MU, and even in the absence of an explicit citation it seems unlikely that it happened any other way in the AU. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure of this? There is a guy who cites Rise of the Horde and claims that Gul'dan did not summon Mannoroth! And I think he's right! Granted, WoWPedia doesn't state it in the article of MU Gul'dan, but the issue with this article still stands.--Adûnâi (talk) 00:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * In the MU, Mannoroth just "came" but it's likely he was summoned by Kil'jaeden but definitely not by Gul'dan. - RotH, chapter 19. --Mordecay (talk) 08:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Kil'jaeden wasn't on Draenor, and thus could not have summoned Mannoroth. There really aren't any likely explanations other than that Gul'dan did it. It may not have been explicitly stated, but occam's razor would seem to apply here. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Dude, read that chapter and it will become clear that Gul'dan did not summon Mannoroth... --Mordecay (talk) 09:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * KJ was physically on Draenor in RotH. He physically handed a dagger to Gul'dan.

"Only a special blade can do what I ask of you, Gul'dan," rumbled Kil'jaeden. He extended his hand. The dagger seemed tiny in comparison to the huge palm upon which it rested, but it was quite large when Gul'dan curled his own fingers around it.
 * --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 16:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Necromancer in this timeline
Is it safe to state Gul'dan is a Necrophyte/Necromancer here? Someone had to train the Necrophytes in Frostfire Ridge and clearly he has mui mui leet necromantic skills given he reanimated the remains of a demon lord.VisionOfPerfection (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2015 (UTC)VisionOfPerfection
 * In the main timeline, Gul'dan opened schools of demonology and necromancy to transforming shamans into necrolytes and warlocks. I guess he did that in the alternate universe. Klakmuf 22:08, 14 September 2015

Early life
It confuses me too. Now that he was always a warlock he couldn't have been an apprentice to Ner'zhul (thus retconning previous WoD and Annual 2015 descriptions) right? Also, the UVG part now seems to indicate the Harbinger clan instead of the Shadowmoon clan, no? --Mordecay (talk) 11:24, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Where does it say it's the Harbinger clan? I mean, it might have once existed, since the animated short says that nobody knows about it; the definition of harbinger is "one that pioneers in or initiates a major change". But yes, this version of Gul'dan doesn't seem to have had any powers at all before becoming a warlock. I hope that one of the next animated shorts will show Gul'dan and Ner'zhul, but since Ner'zhul isn't related to Legion... Well, I don't have high hopes for that. -- 12:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The UVG says: "After Gul'dan was cast out of his clan, he agreed to a secret alliance with the Legion". This corresponds with the video. The book also does not mention him being a Shadowmoon orc or an apprentice to Ner'zhul at all. --Mordecay (talk) 13:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey guys. I think the "Ring of the Scoured Clan" on WoWhead (http://www.wowhead.com/item=140897/ring-of-the-scoured-clan&bonus=1807) is a reference to alternative Gul'dan's clan. Xporc (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, in WoD we saw no indication that Gul'dan and Ner'zhul were working previously together in the AU. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The WoD site says that Gul'dan was Ner'zhul's apprentice. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 17:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, I suppose it's possible that Gul'dan joined the Shadowmoon Clan and apprenticed under Ner'zhul after this happened, secretly serving the Legion all along. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I was thinking it too but would it be possible for Ner'zhul to take a non-shaman apprentice? Coz it looks like he wasn't a shaman. --Mordecay (talk) 17:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Being Ner'zhul's apprentice would imply that he was learning to become a shaman. If he already was one, he wouldn't need to apprentice under Ner'zhul. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:25, 22 July 2016 (UTC)