Talk:Chronormu

Name
Is it confirmed that Chronormu is her name, or is it speculated?--Ragestorm 23:56, 21 December 2006 (EST)


 * She introduces herself as Chronormu when you first talk to her in-game. --  Varghedin   talk / contribs  02:07, 13 January 2007 (EST)

possible rep questions
I don't have enough experience to do so, but I'd like to point out for the page that her quests don't give any faction reps for any bronze dragonflight faction. --Mondoblasto 18:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Huh?
"Upon asking a GM about this he/she matter, the GM stated "Male". So Chrnormu is indeed a male dragon who chooses to take the guise of a female Gnome." Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 13:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Cite it.-- 20:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * GMs are not official sources of information. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That is why I said huh? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 02:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The Official magazine refers to Chromie as a 'she', so they must think he/she/it is a female. Or should this source be trusted? Elofan (talk) 23:17, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the official magazine. I'd say that makes it pretty official. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:20, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just because it's official doesn't mean it's correct. Blizzard has been known to make mistakes and contradict themselves time and time again. Or they may simply have changed their minds - they do that all the time too. As is their right, I'm not disputing that. The fact is, Chronormu being female directly contradicts established lore pertaining to dragon naming conventions, something I have a hard time accepting without explanation. But my opinion is not the point here. The point is, the wiki article really shouldn't say one way or the other without hard facts backing it up. We don't know for certain whether he's male or female, so neither should be stated as fact. Signal firefly (talk) 05:49, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * So... Your argument is that even though Blizzard said "Chromie's female" it doesn't count because she doesn't have a female name? I don't see any directly contradictory information here; the current note about Chromie's name not fitting established customs seems to relay exactly the information that we have. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:03, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Just because it's official doesn't mean it's correct" Your absoultely right but as far as this wiki is concerned it is.
 * That arguement by the way could be used for anything because anything can be changed. Doesn't mean its wrong at the moment however. This wiki uses what facts we can cite.
 * The naming convention is not set in stone. It is an observation made by players. A pattern that appears often but not always. Some dragons follow it, some ignore it, and now at least one maybe 2 contradict it. It's okay to contradict a trend because thats what it is: a trend, not a hard and fast rule.
 * Now Signal Firefly, i understand where you are coming from because up until Blizzard confirmed this a few months back I was the one arguing the point you are currently arguing. Go check the revision history. I was the one who made the article gender neutral. I was the one saying we need to wait for confirmation and speculation should be kept clearly seperate. I made sure personal opinions were kept out. But blizzard has taken an official stance on the issue and until they say otherwise were not going to doubt them. Otherwise this entire wiki would be full of nothing but blank pages. 08:11, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Voice
I noticed the other day that Chromie at Wyrmrest used a female goblin's voice set, I decided to head to the plaguelands and there Chromie uses no voice set. I haven't had a chance to check the culling yet, can anyone please check? This would certainly be something to add to Chromie's article as yet another quark that she has--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 19:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that's a confirmed bug. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, funny though 'Time is money friend'--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 04:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Chrono and Chromie
Did any one notice the similarity between Chrono and Chromie ?

they both have a similar name specially if u considered chromie's full name

which is Chronormu !

and more importantly they both have almost the same staff if u ignored the rust and blood on it ..

so could Chromie the bronze dragon becomes chrono the infinite dragon in the future ?

and if u remember how he reacted when he knew that u saw Nozdormu in the quest " Mystery of the Infinite "

you would sense that he may follow Nozdormu in any path he takes even if it was destroying Azeorth

HiTmAn47 (talk) 01:40, March 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Who are you talking about? Do you mean Chrono-Lord Epoch or Chrono Lord Deja? It's unlikely either of those are Chromie, given that they're drakonids and not dragons. Also, please read Chronormu. There's been a note on her name there for years. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:08, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Chrono" is a Latin prefix meaning "time," so it's not unusual that it would show up on multiple time-related dragons. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:13, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Gender Bender
It's also possible that the various dragons' mortal personifications and identities are split from the dragons' actual identities - "Chromie" is female; "Chronormu" is male. If the World of Warcraft Magazine references "Chromie" as female, that would make sense.

I'm also willing to bet that only male dragons have beards, and Chronormu's got one. So there's that.


 * I completely agree, the mortal personifications are often refered to as almost a different person quite often in the novels and other source matierial (Korialstrasz often refered to Krasus as a different person, and i dont just mean in WotA where both were present). I once argued the same thing when Chromie was refered to as a she in a Wyrmrest quest and the patch notes. That being said, we know this isn't one of those cases anymore. The entry in the magazine is under Chronormu. I understand your concerns, I was once the main advocate for them, but the issue has since been settled...for now.
 * The beards by the way are found on both genders. I can cite countless examples, Keristrasza, the dragons in Blade's Edge, the ones in the Vermillion Redoubt, etc...Female and males use the same model. 16:05, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The generic dragon model has a beard. The only dragons that don't have them are the few with unique models. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:39, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Even then a few of those unique models have them, even at least one female: Ysondre. 01:01, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ysondre's actually got the default dragon model, just with closed eyes. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:12, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No theres quite a few changes made aside from the eyes, including to the beard (you can see on the dragons of nightmare model viewer picture). It's different but she still has it which marks it as deliberate. Nothing has ever stated female dragons dont have beards so theres no reason to assume female dragons in WoW only have beards because they use a generic model.
 * I think we've strayed. My point simply was theres no need for justification for something that doesn't contradict any known information. 07:24, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

BlizzCon artwork
Just wanted to mention here, in case anyone's wondering, that the reason I didn't put File:Chromie BlizzCon.jpg as the infobox image is because while it could work quite well in showing both Chromie's gnome and dragon forms in the same image (like with File:Kalec Color.jpg), it's explicitly depicting the non-canonical Heroes of the Storm version of Chromie, who does look somewhat different from her canon WoW appearance (namely the hair and armor). Rexxar's page currently uses his HotS artwork as the infobox image, but as Taohinton pointed out in Forum:Hearthstone lore, Rexxar in HotS looks slightly more bulky and ogre-like than his canonical incarnation. EDIT: Just realized that the artwork is actually depicting Chromie's Master Skin in HotS, rather than her regular skin, making it even more dubiously canon. -- 14:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Heroes of the Storm and Hearthstone being non-canon doesn't make artwork from those games non-canon. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In some cases, yes, but in the case of Heroes, I'd argue that any skin other than the default one is automatically non-canon and only exists for the purpose of gameplay cosmetics, and the image in question is of her Master skin. (Sorry for the late reply.) -- 09:14, 12 January 2017 (UTC)