User talk:Straider00

Lich King
What's your source retconning that Arthas was alone as Lich King? The part in Legion is that he and Arthas are reliving the moment that Arthas first picked up Frostmourne. This is not an ongoing domination thing. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

-Q. Will Ner'zhul appear at any point in 3.3 or the near future? A. Well, he is a chunk of the Lich King now. But if you mean will he appear as an orc, we're not ready to tell his story just yet. We have a lot of stories left to tell, but his is a good one.

-CM Crygil also stated, "He didn't actually erase the persona of Ner'zhul. In point of fact, these two beings merged to make up what was collectively known as "The Lich King", on the official World of Warcraft forums.


 * Oh and the fact that his spirit is alive in legion. It doesnt say an echo of ner'zhul or a memory, it says his spirit which was supposed to have been obliterated in rotlk. Thats a retcon.


 * You're taking things out of order. That was the original intent continuing from WC3, which was later changed. Metzen followed up at BlizzCon 2010 with:

Q. I have a question regarding the storyline of Ner'zhul: is he finished, or what's going on with that? A. "Yes. Yeah, Ner'zhul is done. He served us well in that capacity, but really the Lich King idea... really has the ultimate expression, you know, as Arthas or whatever. Ner'zhul's done."
 * In 2014, Sean Copeland corroborated the novel's account that it was just Arthas. And in regards to the event in Legion, why are you undoing the edit? The event plays out with them reliving the moment when Arthas picked up Frostmourne. This has no bearing on what later transpired between them to undo the statements from Blizzard that it the LK became Arthas alone. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk)

-CM Crygil also stated, "He didn't actually erase the persona of Ner'zhul. In point of fact, these two beings merged to make up what was collectively known as "The Lich King", on the official World of Warcraft forums.

This was stated by crygil well after the book had been released.

-Q. Will Ner'zhul appear at any point in 3.3 or the near future? A. Well, he is a chunk of the Lich King now. But if you mean will he appear as an orc, we're not ready to tell his story just yet. We have a lot of stories left to tell, but his is a good one.

This was also released by the devs well after the book was released. Theres blizzard sources stating he was indeed alive like the quotes above then theres other sources saying he wasnt...but his spirit is alive and kicking in Legion. It doesn't say memory or echo, it says SPIRIT. Jesse cox and other prominent streamers have been trying to ask the devs about it on twitter and they are quiet on the matter. We finish off the spirit of arthas in the shards but we conveniently dont kill Ner'zhuls soul. It can only mean one thing. As of right now it is an effective retcon (ner'zhul getting mindstabbed by arthas and consumed and having arthas being alone as LK) until the developers come out and state its an echo or memory of ner'zhul.


 * Again... Metzen and Loreology said the LK was just Arthas multiple times after the CM posted. Ner'zhul being trapped in Frostmourne doesn't mean he was still part of the LK during WotLK. And the fact that we see the two as distinct spirits negates the early claims that they merged into a new conglomerate consciousness. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 16:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)