User talk:Kaydeethree/Archive3

Wiki Coding
If you could elaborate on how the gold bars are added to the toolboxes on left side of the pages I would greatly appreciate it. I would like to add more color to our guild wiki site and simply do not know enough programming and admin of Wiki to know where to start. My thanks in advance.

Ariule (talk)
 * It's all a part of CSS. Unfortunately, our CSS is horrendously complex, but the bars are created in MediaWiki:Monaco.css. Search for "/* New sidebar skin */" near the bottom of the page. Monaco is the skin we're using here. You'll probably want to put it in MediaWiki:Monobook.css (or whatever skin you're using) on your wiki. -- k_d3 03:39, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * My thanks. Located the code, uploaded a file of the correct size, edited both main.css and monobook.main.css; and amazingly, nothing happened whatsoever.  Tried CTRL-R, restarted apache: nada, zilch, zero.  I then replaced the Local file with your path, and still no change.  When we first started our side, I uhm, er, borrowed you CSS file as no one likes the light background, thus our site looks like an older version of WoWWiki, mostly without the color arrows and buttons and such.  Appreciate your thoughts and time and if you have a few more, would be in your debt.
 * Ariule (talk)


 * Er, uh... are you editing the css files on the webserver or are you using the wiki to edit MediaWiki: .css? Because I'd rather strongly encourage only doing the latter.
 * Also, the css in monaco only works on monaco. You'll have to adapt it for whatever skin you're using. -- k_d3 05:48, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I edited the monobook.css and monobook.main.css. When I acquired the monaco.css from here, I simply renamed it monobook.  I have noticed this morning that the initial page load time is several seconds slower, but sidebar graphics are not showing.  I edited them using notetab directly on the server, not through a wiki page.  I have complete physical access to the server (it's in the other room).  Again my thanks.
 * Ariule (talk)


 * We also use MediaWiki:Common.css too for some other stuff irrespective of what skin we're actually using. You'll want to take a look at that, too.
 * More importantly, monaco is a different beast than monobook (the devs didn't keep back-compat in mind). The divs in the sidebar aren't named the same in monobook, among other things. Take a look at to see our attempt at a dark skin long before we moved to Wikia. Firebug is invaluable in cases like this to figure out where the css we're using is coming from.
 * Also, mediawikiwiki:Manual:Skinning -- k_d3 16:17, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, since the skins have different naming schema for things such as the sidebar, it naturally would not work. My thanks again for the direction and looks like I have a lot more reading to do.  =[
 * Ariule (talk)

Wanted to thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Have been able to make a few subtle changes and have not seriously broken anything (always backup your config files twice before messing with). I am sure I will have more to ask when the time comes (like how to get the edit count in the upper right of the user page).

Ariule (talk)

Dragonflight and Capitalization
Your voice is most welcome here

17:21, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Images gone missing
For me, more than half the images used by WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images have gone missing. I go to the individual page for the image, and no image displays. The particular images that display changes, too, depending on things beyond my ken. I took a look there because I was on Glaive_Thrower_(Isle_of_Conquest) and for no reason I could discern, one ability image was missing while the other was present. A trivial examination of the file pages reveals no significant differences either. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:45, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been hearing that they're playing around with the file servers atm. If you don't see the images later (they're all showing up for me), file a report at Special:Contact. -- k_d3 20:48, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * See also my note on Template:Cost about Triumph emblems. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:34, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

text
hi, what is the wowwiki code to get the white titles and text? I am a member of Lady Gaga Wiki, and i was just wondering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * white titles? Like this? Or ? I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Could you point to an example of what you're trying to accomplish? -- k_d3 20:22, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he means the skin. White article titles. White text. Greyish black background.-- 22:19, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, go to Special:Preferences and choose a dark skin, like gaming. If you're an admin on your home wiki, you can make that preference the site-wide default by choosing the same theme in the "Admin options" section near the bottom of the page. You can look at the CSS we're using to make WoWWiki look like it does in MediaWiki:Common.css (common to all skins--light and dark) and MediaWiki:Monaco.css (overrides common with the dark theme used as our default). If you do customize the css files, you'll want to use the "custom" theme instead of the pre-defined options. See also Customizing Monaco on help. -- k_d3 22:25, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Datacentre Info
I did a netstat today while logged into Medivh on my main, and saw that the IP address isn't the same as the one you edited in earlier today. As far as I know, the datacenters haven't changed recently. Also checked another server in the same battlegroup, and only the last set of digits changed, so the battlegroup in its entirety wasn't moved, and they didn't change providers, so I put in the IP address I saw on my netstat. Resa1983 (talk) 22:58, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. It likely was a spurious change on my part. I do need to update the whole list at some point, though. Thanks for keeping it up-to-date! -- k_d3 03:58, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it does get changed, I'm wondering if the 2 Dallas Datacenters & the 2 LA Datacenters should be separated - it has been confirmed in a Tech Support thread (probably by Datth - I'd have to look for it again if you want the Blizz confirmation) that both cities have 2 datacenters each.. Thoughts? Resa1983 (talk) 18:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dungeon Finder
Couple things I'd like to see on this...

I don't expect you to DO all this, but I would like your opinion. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:53, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Criteria (1): Using the mob template causes the column to sort on mob level, not name.  That may be irrelevant, though, because...
 * 2) Criteria (2): Some instances (particularly classic) permit the characters to skip particular bosses.  Blackrock Depths-lower city I know for a fact that you only have to defeat the one boss.  I am pretty sure that you have to (at least) defeat Ironaya as well as Archaedas for credit.  I don't have any characters that can test it at the moment, though.
 * 3) Bosses: I think this should reflect the maximum number in the "# bosses remaining" display. For this, I have confidence we don't have complete data.  Unless you've worked some magic I don't know about?
 * I'm not worried about sorting on the name bit. I would assume (gasp!) that the level info is more important in this situation.
 * I just listed the number of non-rare bosses where there wasn't already a number. It probably would make more sense to just list the mandatory-to-get-to-the-end bosses.
 * My primary focus right now is to just get the tables filled out with numbers that make sense. They can easily be refined once that's taken care of. -- k_d3 20:56, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Detail level like "need bosses X, Y, and Z" should probably be on the instance page, rather than on the dungeon finder itself. Admittedly, that level of detail doesn't exist on the dungeon finder page either, but when we get around to it.... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:39, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

template:elinks-quest broken
Hi,

Looks like this edit broke the Allakhazam extlink. You removed the equals sign after "wquest": it needs to be  and not just. See The Grimtotem Weapon for a currently broken example. Thumperward (talk) 20:24, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

KayDeeBot: problem with Quest: disambiguation pages
Replacement:

Problem: There are pages in the  space which are disambiguation pages, e.g. A Donation of Wool (quest) (particular version: 2071107). Authors will deliberately use the  format, because the   format will give an error in the pop-up box. Hover over the following link for an example: A Donation of Wool.

The KayDeeBot has changed (and presumably will change in future) these links to the  form, resulting in tool-tip pop-up boxes with errors.

I imagine making the bot intelligent enough to make an exception for links to disambiguation pages could be difficult. Yet the error pop-up box is very annoying. In effect, the bot makes changes which are minor improvements in most cases, but will cause an error in the exceptions. This is, in general terms, not acceptable.

Solutions which come to mind:
 * As mentioned, a more intelligent bot that makes an exception for links to disambiguation pages. If this can be implemented, it would be the most effective solution.
 * A different policy for quest disambiguation pages, taking them out of the  space. It is unlikely that such a policy will be accepted.
 * Introducing a special quest name, or ..., or similar template, which does not have the tool-tip. It can be used by editors to link to quest disambiguation pages. The bot would obviously not change these because they do not look like . Feasible, easily implemented, hard to promote the use of. Maybe make a bot that searches for quest disambiguation pages, finds the links to it and changes   to.
 * Stop using the bot. A temporary measure at best, as presumably there is a desire to change all normal  links.

--Hops Splurt (talk) 14:42, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Crap. I thought I caught that edge case. Feel free to revert any edits the bot made on disambig pages (as always). I'll look to see where any other damage has been done. -- k_d3 23:42, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hops, you failed to mention the best option, simply linking directly to the intended quest page rather than the disambiguation. If the error pop-up box is annoying, that can be disabled, though it was intended to be annoying so that editors would not link to disambiguation pages. -- 02:35, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re:King of Kings?
Doesn't Arthas describe himself as "the King of Kings" in one of Blizzard's WotLK cinematics? I thought he did; if I was wrong, then I'm sorry for the confusion.Rangerkid51 (talk) 02:26, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed he did, now that I think about it. Good job catching that. -- k_d3 03:10, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I though it was "the one true king", unless I am remembering wrong.-- 03:20, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Gizleton caravan
Good work on those pages. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:17, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Images: second pass is needed
November of last year, KaydeeBot moved a great number of image files (eg File:INV Chest Cloth 20.png) to standardized names (eg File:Inv chest cloth 20.png). While this may have been a useful thing, and seems to work for Tooltips on item pages, when you use the itembox template, they break (like this quest, noted here).

Really, this is a job for KaydeeBot:
 * 1) edit the item pages that refer to the old names
 * 2) remove the redirect pages.

We shouldn't keep the redirect pages simply for decoration, when there are time bombs like this around. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:35, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

... to emphasize the issue, the code in tooltip (or something downstream) must be doing name munging, because the page used "INV chest cloth 20", a capitalization scheme that had apparently not been used, but which worked nonetheless. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:39, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * tooltip uses the magic word to do its trick. Itembox should now use it too. Odd that I didn't catch that during the transition... -- k_d3 03:10, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * ....  You realize that this lc: only hides the problem?
 * In any case, the redirects should be removed, yes? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:49, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

ForumQuote template
hehe, I had the darnest times finding it too, each and every time I wanted to use it... In fact... maybe we should move quote to another name, it's not a highly used template and I think the forumquote template is used enough to warrant its taken over of the Template:Quote space. 02:22, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Search works for me. ;) -- 02:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was searching for "quote" and/or "forum"... neither of which pointed to the right template. Quote is only getting used about 10 times, so I'm fine with purging it. -- k_d3 02:59, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. For replacement for the old template, I implemented class="quote" for the edge cases.  Otherwise I recommend using &lt;blockquote> instead. -- 04:37, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent. =) 04:43, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hidden Treasures dialog
Removed the post-event dialog? Whyfor? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:43, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's part of the quest before it. ;) -- k_d3 23:11, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Keypress
Regarding Template:Keypress: I'm using the old wowwiki skin (as its easier on the eyes), and the words inside the graphics themselves are white on white background, making it difficult to read unless selecting the icon & text. Is there any way you can add a fix in to the template? Resa1983 (talk) 19:28, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just imported it from enwiki, so I'm working on getting it fixed for dark skins here. It's broken on monaco too, by the way. -- k_d3 19:30, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Tis fixed now. It's already in use on Mount. Lemme know if you see any more problems. -- k_d3 19:53, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Greetings and a plea from a fellow Medivian (is that even a word?)
Hello, KD. I'm in a bit of a jam here at the moment, and I need your help. The Horde side on Medivh is starting to dwindle very, very rapidly and I'm running out of options for guilds to run with that can actually kill the Lich King; most of the ones here are either elitist pigs or not recruiting holy paladins (the curse of my profession, it must be said). I've often said to anyone who would listen that I missed out on the last two endgames - Naxxramas in vanilla and BT/Sunwell in BC - because of dealing with elitist BS, and I would be damned if I missed out on this one, especially considering how close I am to the end. I thought switching to Horde would be better, but I did not realize just how bad things were here.

You've played over there a while - what raiding guilds are there on Alliance side that have a reputation for being decent people and making good progress at the same time? If I make the move over, I want to make sure I don't get screwed like I do over here.

Thanks,

--Joshmaul (talk) 22:06, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Heh. I can't help you, though KD might.  Me, though, I've gotten closer towards the "last boss" with ICC than I did with Ulduar, and only sorta close with Naxx before Ulduar came out.  But I feel for ya.  Guess I'm less of a raider than you; I'm just less willing to hop guilds - let alone factions - just to get there.  But the plea sounded so close...  --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:02, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alas, I'm not playing the guild game all that much right now (even though I'm guilded, it's basically just me). Send me a tell when I'm on, and I'll point you at a few guilds that I know are (or at least were) with decent people. -- k_d3 22:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Arthas Video?
Um....just wanting to know something, was there any paticualr reason as to why your bot removed my link about the Arthas Video? I am Romire (talk) 23:04, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where at? -- k_d3 02:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, you mean this? I didn't do that. Ask Coobra, as he's the one who did that. But take a look at our Video links policy first. -- k_d3 02:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * WoW Machinima videos fall under the same rule as fan art. For the most part it's a no no on articles Romire. 02:34, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

recent2.js
It looks like there were some changed to the Monaco skin. In order to work under the Monaco Custom skin, the line

needs to be changed to

Drazisil (t/c) 14:03, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nickodemusses
Kaydeethree,

I'm new to WoWWiki and everything I edited so far is just my simple opinion or Idea about a feature in WoW. Could you help me improve my articles by adding Images and links or tell me how to do this? Thanks in advance

user:Nickodemusses

Cataclysm maps
Thanks for uploading them! You rock! - Sikon (talk) 05:37, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * That he does. 05:38, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I love the User:Kaydeethree/Cata maps compared page :) I think it could be developed to be a proper public page. (I'm also thinking this should be done with the minimap images - though those are /huge/). 12:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Huge doesn't begin to describe them. -- k_d3 17:14, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Massive? Ginormous? Yes, I believe they're about 50MB apiece at reasonably quality JPG. We could arbitrarily split them up (by region, or zone)? They're pretty interesting to compare though, possibly more so than the zone maps in some cases.
 * On that note, how does one go about generating them from the builds? 18:02, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Datamining. Which is why I'm loathe to post them yet--no official tools get them out of the MPQs. -- k_d3 18:15, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose ... but on the other hand minimaps are directly visible in game. Technically a user could travel around basically the entirety of the map and build it up that way. Pretty much only Hyjal is the inaccessible area in the grand scheme of things.  19:15, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * That method would take forever. -- 19:20, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * But importantly, it means you could do it, especially in Cataclysm. Just like we don't literally sit there screenshotting every macro icon. Edit: okay, so you use the UI toolkit for that. I still think it puts us much more on the do-able side in terms of obtaining and displaying it. 19:59, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

When you imported the quests
When you had quests that had chains related, did you make quest chain pages for all of them, or did you transclude the beginning quest for some of them?

/me hopes it's the former. --Sky (t · c) 08:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * The former. Typically in the form of quests or starting experience/ depending on where it is. -- k_d3 16:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * K, that makes my mission slightly easier. --Sky (t · c) 19:25, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I need help.
I need help with how to add a image. How do I do it? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 05:09, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * What kind of image did you have in mind? Help:Editing and Help:Images are a good starting place. If you have questions after that, feel free to ask. -- k_d3 05:20, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Im trying to add a picture of a agent crusade controlled Hearthglen in Cata. What words do I need to type to be able to add a image?Rimor Conscientia (talk) 05:31, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * The help:editing link shows some examples...
 * You'll want to type something like, changing the "Hearthglen in Cataclysm.jpg" bit as necessary, based on how you named your screenshot when you uploaded it to the wiki. -- k_d3 05:48, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I was able to add my image thank you!!! Rimor Conscientia (talk) 06:07, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Questbox::Quest ID
I must say that I disapprove of the conversion of the "links to external sites" into "Quest ID" in Questbox. You did not mark the template as in progress or anything so I don't know if I've caught this "between changes". Removing the links entirely from the questbox, I could live with. Leaving them in is also workable. But replacing them with a piece of information that is not independently useful to the reader is not a good answer for a template designed to provide 'important information' in a snapshot. I do not believe that the quest ID number is a piece of information that is idly valuable to the user, whereas the links conceivably were.

I'll point to tooltip as a template where we've generally left a previously useful parameter ( itemid ) in place, in case we changed our minds again. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:53, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * See template talk:questbox, Eirik. --Sky (t · c) 23:56, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Build 12694
Hi mate do you know what the link to this client is? I don't have the beta and need to download wondered if you could check. Thanks a thousand. -- 14:41, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you don't have the beta then you don't need the client. All it would allow you to do are sandbox or datamine, both of which are against the ToS. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I found it. Thanks again :D -- 23:28, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Spelling
Thanks, it's hard being english on an american wiki, the languages are similar, but there's always something to cause problems.  Pyro Python(U  02:23, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I get annoyed at the local variations in spelling as well. -- k_d3 02:33, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Maps
Until the image system is working again, you could change -cata to -Cata... one time at least... ugh so many things broken around here. 07:00, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Npcboxes
Probably shouldn't link the races in the npcboxes... cause once we revert the edit (when SWM is working again) the races will automatically be linked again... though it might be while till it is.. we may as well re-add the linkage to the template. 03:41, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gah. Forgot about that. I'm still stuck in limbo between SMW being on and off... -- k_d3 03:43, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * =P 03:45, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Patch Mirror page
I just wanted to let you know that the change that you made to say that 3.35 goes directly to 4.0.1 is wrong. There are two different patches. One from 3.3.5 - 4.0.0 then from 4.0.0 to 4.0.1. This will confuse a lot of people because they will download the same patch that has already been downloaded with the background downloader.

Vanderjaght (talk) 21:16, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * If memory serves the only edit I did was put in another 3.3.5->4.0 mirror. One sec while I take a look. -- k_d3 21:20, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, if I was mistaken on who changed it. Could you please fix it? Thanks. Vanderjaght (talk) 21:27, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

NIWA Affiliation
Greetings! I'm Xizor, and I represent the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance. I am the NIWA Coordinator, and as such, I've been made aware of your guys' split from Wikia, and also WoWwiki. While obviously World of Warcraft is not part of Nintendo's franchises, NIWA is very open to affiliating with non-Nintendo Wikis, even if they do not become members. As such, I would love it if you guys would like to affiliate with NIWA. You can find more information, including my email address on that site. Let me know if you have any questions! If there is some other Administrator I should contact, please point me in that direction, also. =P Hope to hear back soon! --Xizor (talk) 10:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired
Hello.

I just wanted to solicit your opinion on whether Instancefooter should replace Dungeons} or not.

Thanks.

06:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Your question on...
... File:Both 15.gif. Only one I know of is File:MiniIcon BattleMaster.png. 04:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh wow
I just wanted to say I wish I had the knowledge and access to do that importation stuff. I bow before your epicosity. --Bellocois (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Easier for me than editing the wiki one quest at a time when I'm working my way through them. Usually faster, too. It's a dain-bramaged hack, but at least it's my hack. -- k_d3
 * Oh, is it just that you write it down manually as you're playing? I thought it was some sort of datamining thing. Maybe it's a combination of the two! --Bellocois (talk) 06:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Ghosts in the Dark
Get on it please.

Ghosts in the Dark
Get on it please.

Re: Ghosts in the Dark
Sorry, didnt mean to be rude. I was just bringing it to your attention. Thanks.

Shoopi (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your kind words. :) I wasn't exactly sure how to remove the old categories; I'm still getting used to how things work here and I am glad you let me know. :) StarNeptune (talk) 08:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific
Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)