Talk:Grillok "Darkeye"

Dark shaman
I don't think "not being nice" (wat) and having other dark shaman above the cave 100% qualifies to being a dark shaman, although it is very likely, as he is a fel orc. The dark shaman u mentioned raise dead, Grillok doesn't. I think it should go to a speculation section. --Mordecay (talk) 22:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't you think you are getting too skeptic lately? :( The last shaman of the Old Horde was Zuluhed, and Gul'dan made sure to break the bond between elements and the orcs. He's beyond any doubt a shaman due to his abilities but for the aforementioned reasons he's certainly not asking them to willingly lend them their powers, so that's the textbook definition of a dark shaman. IMO the context is so biased toward dark shaman that'd it'd actually be more credible to have speculations about him being a plain shaman rather than a dark shaman. Xporc (talk) 22:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I just prefer wow's - or Blizzard's - references rather than fans' assumptions :-( --Mordecay (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * In this case it feels like environmental storytelling. I understand that you'd prefer a written proof, but for this I personally believe there are enough visual and contextual clues that it doesn't need to be spelt out directly. Its just my opinion of course, I'd gladly welcome other comments about this situation, since a similar topic was evoked earlier about the size of eredar Xporc (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, another example came to mind! On the ogre page, the statement "Often, the dismembered remains of enemies and prey are hung on meat hooks, strewn about the ground, or otherwise left out for all to see" has a fact template when it should be obvious enough to anyone actually going to any in-game ogre camp: there are meat on hooks everywhere, as well as big piles of poop... Even if no NPC acknowledges it, it's still environmental storytelling. Xporc (talk) 23:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)