User talk:Qurai46178

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Baggins (talk) 11:05, 19 March 2009

Sleeping Giants
As of 12-10-08, my screenshots clearly show that Sleeping Giants (Alliance) is unlocked by Of Keys and Cages (Alliance). The quest text and the emote after turning in the quest are quite explicit.

You are right that it is a "side quest", but as it is unlocked by the former, it still deserves mention. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, it's not the linear continuation of the quest itself, but as you agree a sidestep, and I tried to display it as such, trying to mimick the style used also for e.g. the unlocking of Valgarde quests at the beginning of Howling Fjord. Another motivation for the change was that while planning my own quests in the area, I expected to need 3 round-trips to Gjalerbron, which clearly isn't the case -- with only 2 roundtrips one can complete all quests there. Qurai (talk) 10:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Details like needing 3 (2) round trips is a good addition to notes on a quest chain page. That chain is on the low end of what I have been writing chain pages for, but that's no restriction on you, certainly. Care to flesh out a chain page for it?  --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Quest: Basic Training
My point in this is that "the story continues (with this other chain)". On a quest chain page (when/if I get around to it), I would make them separate chapters, and note in the intro that yes, they were unlinked as you say. Do you have a better thought on expressing that relationship? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * And yes, entirely possible that I have overlooked something in haste. I do that, you know. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Funny, this depends entirely on your point of view... Do you view a chain as a logical set of steps to complete in order, possibly the most efficient one? In that case it's basically two chains instead of one. Or do you view it as a story? Since in that case (lore-wise), indeed it's only one chain. For one reason or another Blizzard made it so that you can get the fragment that starts Puzzling before you're on Cracking the Code, so in my mind it's 2 chains. But if you read the quest text closely it's better to complete all quests as a single in-order chain. Your call :) -- Qurai (talk) 12:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Connecting quests
I'll take a look at it, certainly. Mostly, it'll be by what I remember, which means that the horde side will be given short shrift. And mind, connecting quests are seldom 'required'. ... but that some ARE required... (Myself, I have to look up what gets you your "in" with the Tuskarr in HF...) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Looking for a rational way to describe what quests send you where, and when:
 * one description

Valiance Keep
 * Chains: Enlistment Day, A Soldier in Need


 * From: - arrive by boat
 * To:
 * Complete the Enlistment Day chain
 * Farshire sends you to the farshire mines, just outside of the keep.
 * Word on the Street sends you to Kaskala and then to the Wailing Ziggurat and the Temple City of En'kilah.
 * Distress Call sends you to Fizzcrank Airstrip
 * Nick of Time sends you to Amber Ledge. Amber Ledge, in turn, sends you to Coldarra Crater (the Transitus Shield).
 * Complete A Soldier in Need
 * A Diplomatic Mission sends you to Riplash Strand

Fizzcrank Airstrip
 * Sent here after Enlistment Day chain.
 * Chains: Distress Call, What's the Matter with the Transmatter?, Dirty, Stinkin' Snobolds!
 * sends you to Winterfin Retreat

Warsong Hold ... Presumably sends you to Kaskala, Taunka'Le Village, and Amber Ledge

Taunka'Le Village
 * Sent here (presumably) from Warsong Hold

D.E.H.T.A. Encampment
 * While you aren't directed here, you MAY stumble across this area going from Warsong Hold or Valiance Keep to Kaskala by road. ... too bad you don't know where Kaskala is automatically, eh?

Coldrock Quarry
 * You are not directed here, but you will pass it on the way to Amber Ledge (which you ARE directed to).


 * Another: Traversing Borean Tundra


 * Alliance: - Fresh off the boat

You will start in Valiance Keep. One quest chain (starting with A Soldier in Need) will eventually send you to Riplash Strand.

Completing the other major quest chain (starting with Enlistment Day) will provide you with quest links to Farshire (close) and Fizzcrank Airstrip (far). Yet another quest chain will send you to Kaskala (with its own several quests), Death's Watch, and Temple City of En'kilah.

Yet another quest available after the Enlistment Day chain sends you to Amber Ledge, from which you will pass on to Coldarra. Traveling by road to Amber Ledge, you should encounter both the D.E.H.T.A. Encampment and the Coldrock Quarry, though no quests introduce you to the NPCs at either place.


 * Horde: recovering from the ride

Starting from Warsong Hold...


 * Structurally:
 * Valiance Keep
 * Farshire
 * Riplash Strand
 * Fizzcrank Airstrip
 * Winterfin Retreat
 * Kaskala
 * Death's Stand, Temple of xxx
 * Amber Ledge
 * Coldarra


 * Either of those formats (and information) help at all?  I don't think that the simple threading of Howling Fjord works for this zone.  I think an overview would help a lot more.   --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)