Talk:Netherstorm

Twisting Nether
Is Netherstorm and Twisting Nether same thing? Cause there's conscept art of this, looking like that of TN maybe? Shandris 05:46, 31 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Nope, not the same thing. Netherstorm is a part of outland, the Twisting Nether is the fabric between the planes. Netherstorm got its name from the Twisting Nether though, due to the fact that the Nether has affected that place heavily, tearing the earth apart and letting it hang supspended in the air. Nethergarde Keep on Azeroth is also named for the Twisting Nether.

- Varghedin 15:37, 31 August 2006 (CET)

Area 52
Ye right, Blizzard...that's so non-Warcraft, makes me think it's goblin/gnome infested... bah Shandris 03:24, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

Bridges
I believe you can access Netherstorm by bridge now. --Xmuskrat 12:15, 25 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Kirkburn will mutilate you, Xmuskrat ;) Shandris 12:26, 25 September 2006 (EDT)


 * How did that link get there! --Xmuskrat 14:12, 25 September 2006 (EDT)


 * I've already said links are okay, just as long as the talk pages aren't covered in them or show the pictures themselves :) I would guess much of the Netherstorm would still be inaccessible, though? -- Kirkburn  (talk) 14:51, 25 September 2006 (EDT)


 * As of the first closed beta patch, there are bridges between every 'island' in netherstorm. However, the zone is still under heave construction, and many parts of the zone are blocked off by Dalaran bubbles.  It is very possible that all bridges could be removed before the game goes live.  Also, before i could get to Tempest Keep, i was teleported back to zaganmarsh by a GM (netherstorm, blades edge, and shadowmoon are no-mans-land right now).  So its possible that only the instance needs a mount to be reached. --Chaztheweird 1:04, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

Closed
Netherstorm, Blade's Edge Mountains and Shadowmoon Valley are now closed for players in the closed beta. --Tinkerer 14:10, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Woah
How did Crocolisks, moths, devilsaurs, and all the other AZ beasts get to Netherstorm?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  22:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The titans are not that creative.-- 23:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * My theory is that the blood elves are experementing on them. i wouldn't put it past them. --Dragoon478 02:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Destruction of Farahlon?
I'm pretty sure the quests say Farahlon was turned into Netherstorm by Kael'Thas and not after Outland was ripped apart. I remember that from some quests I did there. -.- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * The manaforges are making it worse, but it was like that before.-- 21:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

"Arcane Storms"
The "recent history" section claims that Netherstorm was torn apart by arcane storms. The citation here is a dead link. Apparently Chronicles states that Netherstorm was torn apart by fel magic (or at least that the manaforges are drawing fel magic, not arcane). Can I get a source on either of these claims? If anything, it seems like this is just a retcon, in which case we should probably replace the "old" lore with the current one, right? Psychotrip1 (talk) 17:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, so I tried finding the original citation through the wayback machine. Since it was a flash site, everything seems broken now: https://web.archive.org/web/20171015024212/http://media.worldofwarcraft.com/bc-minisite/wow_main.htm

So, what do we do in a situation like this. Should we just nix the sentence? Psychotrip1 (talk) 17:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The Chronicle mentions "chaotic magic / energies" of the Twisting Nether that warped Netherstorm and that were drawn by the manaforges. This probably refers to fel? --Mordecay (talk) 18:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

This is what I would think. It's just so confusing with Netherstorm because it's pretty clear the original intent was for it to be arcane. Aside from what the original flash site (allegedly) says, just look at the place. There's also a bunch of cases in the lore where arcane is portrayed as chaotic (Anomalus in Nexus comes to mind). But, my own editorializing aside, we can't reconcile these differences so we have to go with what's more recent. Since Chronicles says "chaotic" magic is fel, then it's gotta be fel, despite previous sources or how it looks. Psychotrip1 (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Chronicles says that fel is chaotic magic, not that all chaotic magic is fel. I feel equating the two would be editorializing far more than leaving it as a non-descriptive "chaotic magic". -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The TBC flash site still worked a few months ago from what I recall, looks like it's gone for good now.
 * Regarding this, yeah. Basically Chronicle spends a few pages explaining Kael'thas and the blood elves relation with magic: accepting to feed on fel by following Illidan's teachings, then Kil'jaeden seeding the idea that Illidan was limiting their potential and that he could teach Kael how to truly harness the power of fel, and eventually agreeing to forge a pact with him, after which "Kil'jaeden granted the prince what he sought most: more knowledge about using fel magic." Following this, Kael moves to Netherstorm (where, some time ago, he had tried to "harness the latent energies that suffused the region", which proved to be an impossible task for, despite his talent, "the Twisting Nether's magic were [too] chaotic and fickle") and conquers Tempest Keep using "their newfound command over fel energy", which he then uses to build manaforges which harvested the Nether's "magic", a process that "weakened the fabric of reality in Netherstorm" (same wording used everytime they describe fel or an event related to fel, "weakening the fabrice of reality"). But since it's not explicitly stated it might be better to leave it like that. -- MyMindWontQuiet 18:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't have Chronicle, so I can only rely on you guys here. My thinking was that since disorder apparently expresses itself as fel magic, magic described as chaotic would most likely be fel. I can't think of any other form of chaotic magic, personally, but I see your point that since it isn't explicitly stated we can't really just state it as a certainty. I'll remove the reference to "arcane" and replace it with "chaotic magics" or something similar. Do you know which volume of Chronicle mentions this stuff? Just so I know which one to cite. Psychotrip1 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Volume 3 talks about Outland. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Psychotrip1 (talk) 19:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Note that Farhalon was already plagued by magical storms, as seen in To Farahlon! Xporc (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2018 (UTC)