Talk:Gelbin Mekkatorque

Removed sentences
I've removed the following sentences temporarily, as they were making the article contradictory: "The gnomes have not had a proper king or queen for over four hundred years. Instead, they prefer to elect their highest officials for set terms of service." I'm sure that description of high tinker has a source somewhere, and can be restored with citation, with a note that the in-game NPC's title contradicts the notion that a high tinker is distinct from a king.--Aeleas 20:58, 4 January 2007 (EST)
 * Gnomes are democratic, but this guy is labeled "King of Gnomes", so Blizzard is self contradictory. --Voidvector 22:12, 4 January 2007 (EST)


 * It may be he has all the powers of a king for a limited term.-- 18:33, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

The info about not having kings in 400 years, comes from World of Warcraft manual, Alliance Player's Guide, and most recent source, Monster Guide.Baggins 18:43, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Bomb?
I have never heard of a BOMB. this information is badly cited, there is no page number and I do not remember reading this. The gnome intro speech states that they opened the valves on their grinding (referring to the gears) machines and bathed their city in radiation. Gnomeregan is steam powered and atomic power plants generate power through steam engines with radiation as the furnace. It was the radiation from their atomic steam reactor, right?-- 18:31, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * The "Radiation Bomb" is new info from Alliance Player's Guide, and Monster Guide. The info is valid.Baggins 19:57, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * As you say sir, I am sorry for my error. -- 19:58, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * As for the citations, the ?# is valid, it just means someone has to go look up the page numbers later. Which will probably be me once I get back from my vacation :p...Baggins 20:00, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

If the intro says something else, then probably both things should be mentioned in the article. :) 20:04, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I just listened to the Intro again, it doesn't mention anything about radiation, instead it mentions dwarves helping them fight the battle to save the city, but they still lost.Baggins 23:23, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Ok, I looked into it, the manual for WoW discusses valves on machines being opened in order to allow toxic radiation to spread around the city (although it was not clear on the exact source of the radiation). Turns out this was after the radiation bomb (atomic bombs oh my) had been detonated. The bomb released the radation, but the valves on machines, and atmospheric vents had to be opened in order to help spread the radiation around the facilities, and the entire city.Baggins 18:18, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Oh. That makes sense too.-- 18:19, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Class?
He may be a tinker, but does that make him a warrior? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by. 21:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tinkers might be able to use shields but this is only speculation. -- User:Whitedragon254

Please stop moving this article!
The in-game name of Gelbin is High Tinker Mekkatorque, so for the sake of NPC links and such, it should stay here and other links can redirect to it. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 11:28 AM PST 21 Feb 2008


 * N'Nanz's move followed WP:NAME. 20:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, full lore names, take precedence to ingame names, according to naming policy.Baggins 20:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

What level?
For me it says lvl ??, but is it possible to find out? AristonJ (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He's a Boss. Boss NPCs always display as level ??, and are always treated as your level +3 for level-based calculations. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Friendly to Horde
I'm pretty sure Geblin isn't friendly to Horde players, since he is an Alliance boss. However, the box sais he is. I didn't edit it, becous I didn't know it for 100% sure. So, if someone knows for sure he isn't, please answer. (Or you can ofcours edit it by yourself :D) (Luxor (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC))


 * Yeah, he's friendly to Horde players. Possibly a bug, but then again some random Draenei flight master was friendly to Horde players too, and they hotfixed it almost instantly. Grissom (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * He's friendly to Horde players cause he's located in the gnome starting area, and this is how all npcs in starting areas are. 05:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Then no edit :P.(Luxor (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC))


 * Oh yea, sorry, didn't read the article good. (Luxor (talk) 17:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC))

Seven years
With all the background he was given in the last years, the part about him being High Tinker for 7 years is now impossible, is it? Xporc (talk) 08:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There might be a slight little problem. Gelbin is mention nowhere. However, the Cut Short story implies he was present in the Second War so yes, we could change that as a retcon. --Ryon21 (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It bothered me as well. However, I do see ways to interprate it/possibilities for it to be true. First off, while it sounds weird to say, I could say that Trump has been president for a year without lying. In truth, he has, while he has also been president for longer. It's a sloppy way to willingly interprate the text a bit off, without it being untrue. Seven years could also be a reference of his current high tinker term (which we currently don't know the length of) - like he has served 7 out of 15 high tinker years. The gnomes may even be using a different calender. Or he has simply been replaced as high tinker at a short duration by someone we don't know and re-elected before the Fall of Gnomeregan - which is stated to have lasted 5 years. The latter needs a source, btw.--Amargaard (talk) 22:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So the only canonical mention of his participation in the Second War was about that chair? He didn't have to be High Tinker to get that chair ... Xporc (talk) 07:34, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the chair part: "Without taking his eyes from the wall, Gelbin backed up to the center of the room. His old troll-made chair, a delightfully primitive construction of bone and raptorhide, still sat in its familiar spot. The chair was a souvenir from the first gnome-assisted Alliance foray into a Horde encampment during the Second War, and Gelbin had kept the fierce-looking thing to remind himself of two important points. First, that his enemies lived in a world shaped from monsters' flesh and bone. And second, that even tusked, mossy-skinned savages needed a cozy place to sit sometimes. Although the high tinker rarely sat still while caught up in his inventions, he had used the chair as a makeshift cot after countless late nights of brainstorming. Its low profile and wide expanse of padded leather, intended for the relatively substantial troll posterior, had made for a perfect gnome gnap. He collapsed back into his chair's welcome softness with a worried sigh." So yeah, he may not have been the High Tinker thus that "7 years" would be okay. --Ryon21 (talk) 10:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * In Chronicle 3, Gelbin was leader at least since after the fall of the internment camps, just before the Alliance begun to splinter. Either way, unless there is a book or quest somewhere in-game, there's no confirmation he was the High Tinker during the Second War. --Ryon21 (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * With the fact that he is not mentioned in Chronicle 2 at all, and that Beyond the Dark Portal, taking place one or two years after the Second War, calls him Tinker instead of High Tinker, and with the vague UVG text chronology and description that he became High Tinker after he built his inventions, it looks like that he could be made High Tinker in any year between years 9 to 17 (the latter being the Alliance splintering in Chronicle 3 that confirms him being High Tinker then), but certainly not before 9 as the current state/structure of the page says. --Mordecay (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2019 (UTC)