Talk:Knights of the Ebon Blade

Reputation Panel?
Can we get a reputation panel for these guys? Like where is shows you the total rep gained from non-repeatables or how many days of dailys it takes to advance in rank. I would but i have no idea how. --Truckman1 23:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Speculation

 * Since Arthas was never physically killed, his status as undead is somewhat questionable (although he was described as slowly turning undead, and as an undead in the RPG), therefore it is highly debatable whether he was wounded by the Ashbringer (he does not lose even one hit point when being thrown back). Ashbringer's effect being, according to the lore, against undead only, there is a chance that the push back effect was that of the Holy ground and not that of the Ashbringer itself — which would also explain the parting remark. Holy ground does repel more than just the undead, but the Ashbringer doesn't - there is no evidence of it having any special abilities against non-undead forms of evil.

I'm a little confused by the Speculation section of this page. It has to do with Arthas and Ashbringer and questions Arthas' Undead status which in my opinion has little to do with the Knights of the Ebon Blade. Mogaranu (talk) 21:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

It refers to the cinematic at the end of the Death Knight Quests chain in Eastern Plaguelands. --Ewolfg1 (talk) 17:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've decided to remove it since arthas status as undead, or partial undead has established as early as Warcraft RPG, and a certain questline in Wrath concerning his heart even adds to it further.Baggins (talk) 18:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Status of Knights of the Ebon Blade.
So now that their goal of destroying the Lich King and the Scourage has been accomplished, whats the Ebon Blade gonna do now? Keep a watch on the Forsaken just in case they become another Scourage? Work to eradicate the remnants of the Scourage? Become like the Argent Crusade and protect the world from various threats? Or something else? And how will the Ebon Blade react to its Alliance members and Horde members fighting each other? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 06:37, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * We don't really know. A sect of the Ebon Blade will probably remain in Northrend to get rid of the remaining Scourge presence there. While Thassarian and Koltira will led the Alliance and Horde in Andorhal they seem more focused on the scourge presence in the Western Plaguelands. So the Ebon Blade could be a force within the Horde and Alliance that focuses on the greater threats. --Sairez (talk) 06:57, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Creation?
In the creation part it says "They were created (or so they were told) for the purposes of destroying both the Scarlet Crusade in their enclave east of Tyr's Hand, and the Argent Dawn at Light's Hope Chapel. In truth, the entire plan was conceived by the Lich King himself not to destroy the Argent Dawn, but rather to use the death knight legion as bait to lure out the Highlord of the resurgent Order of the Silver Hand, Tirion Fordring." Can't we just change that to say that the lich king created them to destroy the Argent Dawn and the Scarlet Crusade since killing Tirion is already going to destroy the Argent Dawn? --Previously Flame486 21:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Tirion did not lead the AD at that point, and they can have more than one goal.-- 22:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Cataclysm
With no quests or mention at all of the Knights of the Ebon Blade after the death of Arthas. Do you think it is possible they disbanded? (talk contribs) 23:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a good question, I also expressed my question of this at Talk:Forsaken... I don't suppose we're truly know. 23:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They are mentioned in the Ask CDev answers.-- 00:00, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh you're right, forgot that small mention of them. 00:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Cataclysm Section
In the Cataclysm section, it said that "certain members" of the Knights of the Ebon Blade are watching Sylvanas and the Forsaken. Iirc, the Ask CDev portion said that the koteb were watching them. I don't recall them ever saying certain members were though. Anyone else mind if I omit the certain members part and just have it say the koteb are watching them instead? --Previously Flame486 05:36, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the link, since the reference section doesn't appear to be working atm. It says certain members. 05:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Death knight followers
Does being a death knight automatically make them apart of the Ebon Blade faction? Many if not most may have started as part of the Ebon Blade, some may be from the Lich King's army when he was killed, allowing them to gain freedom. It might be best to move those lists onto the death knight article instead. 01:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Typo in the members section
The recent addition of the Horsemen cites them as '...and current Horsemen of the Ebon Blade. Should we change it to 'current member of the Horsemen of the Ebon Blade' or 'current Horseman of the Ebon Blade'? Alistair Mercer 08:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Leader
I don't think the player character is the leader of the Ebon Blade.

1) Darion is still the Highlord. If he had stepped down as leader, he would also give up his title, which would go to the PC. Instead, the PC was given a new title, Deathlord. Different titles mean different functions.

2) The PC bears the mark of the Lich King and is his representant and harbinger to the rest of the world. The Ebon Blade shall follow him as they follow Darion (as per himself) against the Legion. This doesn't make him the leader of the Ebon Blade in general, it makes him the equal of Darion, and only temporarily : that works only as long as the Ebon Blade and the Lich King are "allies" (again, as per Darion himself). (Darion said that for now their alliance is beneficial, and that they are not his servants, they are just that, allies.)

So to sum it up :

- Darion : leader of the Ebon Blade organization. Follows the Deathlord during the Third invasion of the Burning Legion.

- Deathlord : basically the commander of all troops. Represents the Lich King and leads the war against the Legion. Makes most of the tactical and logistical decisions. -- ShellShockLive (talk) 18:43, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Champion: Highlord Darion Mograine. --Mordecay (talk) 18:57, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

The Lich King
The Deathlord is appointed as the new leader of the Ebon Blade by the Lich King. This fully usurps Darion and everyone goes along with it. You take orders from him throughout Legion without issue, he says you do things in his name, you work with Scourge undead he sends to Acherus as gifts, and he even goes as far as to say he'll take Acherus for his own if the Deathlord dies. While this shows he respects the Deathlord (albeit akin to a general rather than a fellow leader), doesn't this mean the Lich King is one of the main leaders of the order? He is, in essence, their ruler again. The Four Horsemen even derive their power from him; so it all comes back to the LK in the end. --Berenal (talk) 03:31, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The Deathlord may get tips from the LK and do some things for him in return for power/other things, and perhaps there's a de facto/de jure deal here, but the leader technically remains the Deathlord. The LK is not part of the Ebon Blade, he is described as "an ally", and the relationship is called an alliance and "assistance". -- MyMindWontQuiet 15:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * TBH if Bolvar ever gets evil, I hope some of the Knights of the Ebon Blade fall/get under his mind control, that'd make for a great story Xporc (talk) 15:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * My point is that the DKs acknowledge they're forfeiting autonomy while the alliance holds. Darion says they're not"bound" (even though that probably has changed when he became a horseman) but the Lich King literally appoints their new leader. He usurps Darion's power over the Ebon Blade; an "Ally" can't do that. The Death Knights have basically re-signed up with the Scourge. He sends undead to the Scourge, calls the death knight his champion, which infers some form of servitude. It's more than just tips, as I said, your buddy can't fire your boss and make you in charge unless he's got power.--Berenal (talk) 15:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said, it's explicitly and repeatedly stated that the Lich King is technically just an "ally", and also that the leader is the Deathlord. Of course the Deathlord can be the LK's champion at the same time as he leads the Ebon Blade, these are not mutually exclusive positions. Similarly, Aethas is the mage's champion but we don't lead the Sunreavers, etc. -- MyMindWontQuiet 16:04, 1 December 2018 (UTC)