Wowpedia:Requests for adminship/archive1

Pcj

 * Created and maintains the tooltip scripts which are used by default by every user of the wiki; so, obviously trusted.
 * Over 20,000 quality-ridden edits throughout the wiki (I use Special:Random to find problems with pages); so, obviously experienced with dealing with the wiki and its tools.
 * Also: voiced on IRC, member of the crazy people, and a patroller; so, obviously involved on the wiki.

The decision should be obvious, if not overwhelmingly so.

My user name is Pcj and I approve this message. -- 03:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * You're awfully quick to tag something with a speedydelete or a stub or a bot-overhaul request with what appears to be thoughtless abandon. Will this continue?
 * When I first started here, I was more of the "deletionist" ideologue (and am probably still somewhat of that mentality)...I didn't really like seeing stubs over 30 days inactive. The pages I marked at that time usually had at the very most one sentence.  Several times I crossed the "does not qualify as SD" line...but then SD are evaluated by an admin and I was reviewing on which pages the admin who was handling most of my SD tags at that time (Gryphon) was removing the sd tags from instead of deleting...and Gryphon did contact me a few times during that period regarding that subject.  Then I'd say I went more into a stub/cleanup tagging phase...which is much less destructive, of course.  However, I do mark guild stubs over 30 days for speedy deletion per WP:GUILD if they do not meet the requirements.  I move pages per WP:PA, WP:PC, and WP:GUILD all the time, and disagreed with Kirkburn on the placement of some pages at one time because WP:PC did not have a notability exception.  Now that there are bots to do a lot of the work, I try to tag it such that the bot replaces as little of the page is needed to match the given boilerplate.  I do tend to like bot-created item pages with any user content added within the confines of the boilerplate later, maybe too much.  I mostly use the full Foxbot tag on pages which are either new or only have the tooltip and external links (meaning perhaps Foxbot will generate a superior source description in addition to correcting any flaws with the tooltip), and tiponly for the remainder of the pages.  With pages on which a Laurlybot page is used, I have gone back and restored any text I've found Laurlybot to replace from an erroneous tag by me, and generally only tag new pages with Laurlybot tags now, otherwise I use boilerplate to indicate the page needs further review.
 * Hardly thoughtless, though I do try to evaluate pages on a case-by-case basis, which leaves it hard to explain every decision I've ever made. I would certainly do my best to not be reckless when it comes to deleting things as an admin. -- 04:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that Sky is concerned about two particular aspects of an admin that I also thought of when wondering if you would do well:
 * Decisions made affect the wiki positively, reflect the goals of WoWWiki, and reflect the spirit of the wiki.
 * All possible attempts to consult with other admins or members of the wiki before decisions are made, considering reasonable periods of time, level of disclosure, and seriousness of the issue, have been made.
 * So, (and I'm not sure being so interviewy is appropriate here, but I'ma do it anyway ) but would you link us some examples of where you did these things?


 * I also want to say that your contributions beyond qualify you for adminship. The JS you've added has certainly benefitted the wiki, and I'm really glad to have you as part of the community! -- DuTempete   talk  |  contr  15:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll answer the second part first, because it lends itself to answering the first part, and that's the way I wrote it originally. Most of my collaboration takes place on IRC, where I'm active. It's therefore a bit hard to link to such collaboration, but I might be able to find logs were it to come to that.  Suffice it to say that I do collaborate.  You might consider the discussion I had recently about combining  and   on the VP or one of the times I received and worked with input on the JS:
 * WP:VP
 * WP:VP
 * Wowpedia talk:Village pump/Archive20
 * Besides that, I worked with DarkRyder on his APB project (as well as using his ZoneMapNote idea as the basis of my coordinates hover tooltip). And I have been known to welcome people to the wiki...probably one of the biggest contributors in that area.
 * To address the first part of your question more directly, as I mentioned above, I did recently convert the Wowbox templates to use class="darktable" for better integration in the wiki, a change I received acclaim for, though some didn't receive it so well (then there are still others who benefit by it, and just like the hover tooltip functionality). I created WP:GOUS and was the member who originally asked for user style support .-- 15:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you really think you're capable of being a fair and just admin?:
 * You seemingly pick and choose what few people you care to give the time of day and be courteous towards, everyone else gets a dismissive and rude treatment from you (no, i'm not just talking about myself, though i'd love to hear your reasoning for having some sort of vandetta against me). All attempts to collaborate with you or offer suggestions has been met with hostility. Despite what some may think, your tooltip script is pretty awful and i'd be shocked if you didn't think otherwise. Before anyone decides to point out that they've not seen anyone else do it, others have, i am (merely because i'm sick of the problems with the current one), pcj simply did it at the right time when support was added to do so. To further add to that, pcj and admins (who don't work on it) are the only ones who can introduce any related javascript to the site and because of this he has free reign to do whatever he wants, and push any changes and features he wants to without any sort of discussion or concensus before and after the implementation. To make matters worse, there is no clear proccess to challange any of your changes and attempt to do so is met with silence on your part. You've also been quick to make sweeping changes both related and unrelated to it, such as over-eager speedy deletes and major template changes, without any sort of backing or discussion. You're constatly going further than simple "good faith" can support.
 * Simply put, i think you're going to continue to be "trigger happy" with edits and very selective of how you treat people and therefore fail at meeting a basic requirement of an admin. Your seemingly good history is twisted by the fact you've recieved an unprecedented bias and control from admins you have favour with, and can't honestly be put in the same boat as everyone else's contributions because they have not had that sort of oppertunity to achieve the same results. If you do become an admin, it should be on your own merit, not the favours and blind eyes from admins and trust you've gained from it, something that i feel needs to be resolved long before you becoem a candidate. --  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal  17:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * A couple of points to make here - the js has to be under pcj's namespace because otherwise it cannot be developed. It cannot be in a free-for-all namespace due to it being a security risk, and it cannot be in the normal namespace because then pcj wouldn't be able to edit it. In a catch-22 situation, the js could be moved if pcj becomes an admin.
 * Now, as for whether pcj responds to constructive criticism, he does. I have made my opinion known to him on several occasions, and I do believe he has taken it into account. I don't like being accused of favouritism - I try and treat all members of the wiki with similar respect. This means treating them all well. I may rant about a change someone made, but that doesn't mean their effort isn't appreciated, or that someone I haven't ranted about has specific "favour" and can do whatever the hell they want.
 * Nevertheless, I do agree that pcj will have to show more restraint on his changes than he has in the past, as admin edits will likely have much greater ramifications and are a more "public" face of the wiki. 17:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As i pointed to in IRC, simply being creator does not mean someone should gain extra control. Before implementation, sure, after, no. I have no more control of any of the templates i first created on here, nor do i believe i should, i gave up that right the moment i moved them out of my userspace for implementation on the wiki. To give an example, tooltip i used to edit constantly and change things without much discussion which is to be expected (and is what pcj does atm), but this was before it became widely used. It's now restricted, i lost development rights long ago, which forces discussion and development examples for any major changes and then be implemented by a trusted admin, and that's how it should be imo. But that's not done for the tooltip related javascript, it's remained in pcj's control, and it recieves no discussion or preview of development (requests for such has always failed as i explained). This means despite him being the original creator, no one else can contribute to it, completely going against the nature of the wiki, and always keeping it in his sole ownership unlike a everything else that gets major implementation which loses it. Thus the excuse of keeping it in his userspace so he can continue to edit it is making an expection, an unfair one, as nothing and no one else has recieved such special treatment before (hence my accusation of bias).
 * As far as i know, there is no technical requirement forcing the javascript to placed in the userspace. All pages are be capable of being viewed in a raw format, and again, afaik, there's no restriction in titles for the javascript extension. Security is not an issue, infact less so. I'm not suggesting that i think pcj can't be trusted, i'm sure he can, but in principle simply locking it down for admins only as is done with major templates is more secure. --  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 18:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As for the quality of my tooltip script, it has developed over time, and I have listened and considered your ideas. For example, the change you suggested to add one class to all loot links was recently implemented.  Your tooltip JS has its own problems (e.g., the fact that your tooltips don't move like you expect as you indicated to me in IRC).  My JS allows for itself to be turned off, making it easier for others to disable it and make their own if they wish (as you did).  On the talk page I linked above you yourself say you're inexperienced coding JS, so I'm not really sure why I should take your arguments seriously.    In fact, I find most of your arguments hard to take seriously, since it seems to me you returned from a few months of activity and attempted to take back control of several of the templates you originally created.  You've criticized Foxlit for some changes he made to one of them (tooltip), and seem to throw a tantrum when you don't get your way, as is evinced by your statements on your own user page that certain pages you helped create have been neglected since you left and that they haven't "recieved (sic) the recognition it deserves".  Also, you say you "still have gripes about policies and practices in place on the wiki, as well as a distate (sic) for mediwiki (sic) itself", so I'm not really sure why I should expect anything but that your criticism of me is an extension of that.  Finally, if some admins like me, that's gotta mean something.  I don't know of any admin who particularly dislikes me.  Even Fandyllic, though we've argued, seems to be overall fine with the idea.  Everyone has the same opportunity as me, they just don't show the initiative; which, I think, having that makes me an even better candidate for admin.


 * I would be open (if I become admin) to moving the JS to a locked central location, but it doesn't lend itself as much to being edited by more people because JS is a bit higher-level than MediaWiki code. The script is definitely still being actively developed, and I need to be able to address problems with my code as they arise. If I don't become admin, admins can still edit my user JS if they so wish. Overwhelmingly, though, no one else has expressed to me distaste for the JS itself as you have; in fact I've received outstanding support from everyone save you.  So, if you have a problem, disable it for yourself and create your own, as you have. -- 18:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Pcj is the first person I thought of when the requests for adminship got started. He has a long history of editing, and has experience in behind-the-scenes programming (Though Zeal said his tooltip script is pretty awful, and I will take his word on that). While he may have gotten over his speedy delete craze, he still tends to bot-overhaul pages if they are not boilerplated, as Sky said, even if they have content that can not be taken from the game’s files (i. e. quotes, stratiges, abilities, details). Pcj has also shown heavy bias against fan fiction, speculation, and some silly pages. With administrative powers he could swiftly delete things himself with little or no feedback. I also agree with Zeal on that he can often be bitter and hostile.-- 18:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I am against non-canon information in what qualifies as an encyclopedic work...I don't try to hide that. I do believe they should be in their own namespace or otherwise separated, but if the policy of the wiki says otherwise, I will enforce policy. -- 18:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If by listened and considered you mean dismissing them or simply not reply, sure. I'm not a mind reader, and the critcising of my own script is not considering them either. It is nice, and i pointed that out in IRC, that you finally decided to implement something i asked for weeks before. I know mine isn't as good at it needs to be, it's still mostly your code though. I never wanted to resort to writing my own, because as you've quoted and i openly admit, i'm not experienced in javascript, i'm still learning it, and i don't like so much reliance being placed on it. That doesn't stop me from doing research, finding problems and creating workarounds and suggesting fixes though, fixes i would have liked to have discussed openly on the talk page or in IRC and implement in some way or form. Nor does it belittle my criticisms of it.


 * I've not once forced my intentions upon anything on here, i've merely supported and opposed things. To my knowledge i'm allowed to voice my view all i want, and can fight for my views till the very end if i must. If it's something "deal breaking", then that's exactly what it is, and how i chose to handle that is a non-issue as long as it has no detrimental effect on the wiki (which is why i left before, things moved too far in a direction i could no longer sanely contribute in). In no way is that me asking for control of anything, not is it throwing a tantrum. So sure, i've critcised Foxlit's changes, but that's partly because he's doing some things i tried to do before and were thrown out by conensus yet he's by passed all that, and partly that the same situation applies to him, but i doubt what i say in his case will have any impact as he is an admin and thus i guess can do whatever he feels is best for the wiki.


 * My criticisms of you in relation to your attitude are seperate from my opposition because of your "tainted" contributions. The latter is the only thing that would be effected my "gripes" about the policies here, and you may very well be simply a victim of that and you're not to blame, but it doesn't change their effect on your merits, which is why i think it's something that should be resolved before you become an admin, and then be nominated later on, rather that saying you should just give up.


 * You honestly seem like a nice person to the right people, but as i implied in IRC, i had an issue with you before i even knew you. Before i came back, you pretty much took a hacksaw to my userspace without reason, and just blew me off when i tried to talk to you about it and even went as far as to suggest Sky was.. how to put it without overstating it.. silly, for having not done so, which just seems like malice (which is why i went to Kirkburn at the time). So in my view, you had an issue with me before i even came back, so i don't see how you can justify that with anything i've done since then.


 * It's nice to hear that you'd be open to it, and i don't blame you for it not having been done so already, but it does feel too little too late, atleast for this round of nomination. The idea really is that the javascript should be stable, implemented, new dev version stablized, implemented, and so on, so arguing that you need to address problems is one caused by the fact you've not been adhering to way major templates are done, likely because you've had the freedom not to have to. Granted JS is higer-level than MW code, but i'm sure there are some highly competent devs here that could easily help contribute to it, and right now that's not happening, likely because of the closed off way it's being implemented. As to a lone voice in complaining about it, i'm not alone, just happens to be that i've sought advice outside this community, and those within the WW community do not wish to be involed. Honestly, i'd love to help out, and teach myself a few things in the process, but i can't. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 19:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're free to voice your opinion, but keep in mind people look at your own contributions when assessing the validity of your point, or at least they should. Now, if you're going to criticize my JS and not have your own JS in full working order, then your point loses validity as far as I'm concerned.  I do review your edits to your own tooltip and keep them in consideration for my own, but at the end of the day I also have to have a working JS and keep everyone else who uses the wiki happy, too.  A few of the changes I've made have been due to people complaining about things who don't know anything or very little about JS, and some of the changes may appear hackish, and a more full code review may be in order, but the fact of the matter is the JS works at the moment, and it is fairly compatible with all browsers.  I'm certainly open to any admin editing my JS as long as it works when they're done, and have asked for input on the tooltips before, as linked in earlier discussions.  If someone wants to add ideas for discussion and approval to my own JS talk page, that'd be fine.  As for the edits in your own userspace, it was in the sandbox of a person who had been gone several months at that time, so I saw no harm in removing broken links to templates which were being deprecated (non-ParserFunctions  functionality).  In any case, the old versions of those pages were still in the history and you could restore them at your leisure.  If those inside the community don't wish to complain about the nature of my edits, that's their choice.  I cannot presume anything but that they're fine with the current status. -- 20:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Personally, I find it amusing he's a cleaner and most times I see him clutter pages up with the boiletplate stub. And most of the pages he does it to makes no sense to have it, pages like Komin Winterhoof which have all the info it needs. If more info was added other than just general info, it would ok, but to throw boilerplate stubs into all articles just cause it has but one line... That stub will never be removed, cause there just is no more information to add to it, so theres no need to add sections, or even cleanup--only way to cleanup is to remove that stub.


 * I value his contributes, but I'm just not sure if hes admin material...yet. 21:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That specific article needs an external links section per the NPC boilerplate. Please actually review the boilerplate before evaluating the tag. -- 21:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That is but one example of many. If all it needed was external links, would it have been that much harder to instead add with the proper ID.  21:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Cite other examples then. Yes, looking up the NPC's ID, copying that, and pasting it into the page in the appropriate location is harder than copying  and pasting it on appropriate pages. -- 21:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * How about this one then Threggil, explain to me whats needed. Or this one Kenata Dabyrie. All I'm currently hearing from you, is that the small amount of time it would take to place the external links on to the page isn't worth your time, and rather that quickly fix it, you'll stub it for someone else to do. 21:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Npcbox on both. What I'm saying is I'm going through using Special:Random and that it's faster for me to tag the problem pages with a generic tag and possibly come back to it later if someone else doesn't. -- 21:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Coobra, how are you going to criticize me when you do worse yourself? That page shouldn't be tagged for Laurlybot, it has a picture. -- 13:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has a picture...but barely any info. It was tagged so all needed info could be added to the page. The picture is not deleted, it can simply be relinked. Want to talk about useless tags That has all the info needed along with tooltip, and yet you're going to replace the whole page. Thats the kind of stuff you do. 16:42, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Does not have item level and the Foxbot version will still have the rest of the content. -- 16:45, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * You can be such a hypocrite sometimes. You'll say tagging a page is bad (when it barely has info, but contains a screenshot) but then you'll tag a page to be completely replaced when it's missing ilvl = 1 (which is completely unneccessary when 99% of the time a quest item will always = a lvl 1 item). 16:59, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * What happens if I forget and don't go back to check to see how the bot did and the page you tagged is more the issue. My methodology may be different than yours, but that doesn't make the edit itself bad. -- 17:05, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * And yet you're quick to judge. 17:09, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * No, I'm not. I've made no judgements. -- 17:11, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Responses

 * Undecided &laquo;admin&raquo; - Pending an answer, but will support if it is satisfactory. =) --Sky (t | c | w ) 03:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral - I already had my doubts, personally, but he does know what he's doing. I can't vote for or against. --Sky (t | c | w ) 19:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - See discussion -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 17:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose &laquo;admin&raquo; - After a month more of thought... Pcj is sort of a jerk. Sometimes the overwhelming aura of his arrogance can be stifling. Maybe when he learns a bit of diplomacy and learns to admit he is sometimes wrong he will get my support, but he has some work to do or therapy to undergo. --[[File:gengar orange 22x22.png]]  Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:12 AM PST 2 Feb 2008
 * Qualified Support &laquo;admin&raquo; - As many people may know, I've butted heads with Pcj, but in spite of that I'm hoping the responsibility of being an admin will smooth out rough edges. I'm not sure how much Kirkburn discussed the RFA process with people on IRC, but I suggested we have one in e-mail to him a few weeks ago and I specifically mentioned Pcj as a candidate. That said, Pcj should probably be a probationary admin (if we have such a thing), since it would be nice for an admin to get the appointment unopposed. Zeal has some good points, so I don't want to dismiss them. --[[File:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 9:35 AM PST 2 Jan 2008
 * Oppose - I vote against him becoming an admin. -- 18:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Upon further discussion my mind has been made up, he's always hostile. And while admins are allowed to get mad, Pcj always seems to be in a bad mood. 21:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Result

 * Nomination failed. Opposition was generally overwhelming. --[[File:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 1:17 AM PST 2 Feb 2008

Kaydeethree (bureaucrat)
After a talk on IRC, it was agreed one active bureaucrat is not enough. KD3's name came up - I think he's very neutral and active enough. Would like others' opinions. 12:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I accept the nomination and thank all of you for your support. -- k _d3 03:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Responses

 * Support - Proposal. 12:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Approve - Neutral and very active. -- 12:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Very active admin. Has a neutral attitude in discussions. Has my vote. -- 12:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I trust kd3's judgement and neutrality. -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Being way too inactive, I can't have an opinion on kd3 other than noting that other admins approve. But having an active bureaucrat strikes me as a generally Good Thing. Especially when admins are disagreeing on something. -- Mikk (T) 14:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support &mdash; That said, I don't know that it's really so much 1 active bureaucrat as 2 semi-active bureaucrats. --Sky (t · c · w) 17:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Already does an excellent job. 20:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Definitely one of the most active admins. I have never noticed anything wrong with the way he does things.-- 00:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - ...and not only because he ported my characters to Dalaran in the beta.  --[[File:gengar orange 22x22.png]]  Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 1:01 PM PST 19 Mar 2009
 * Support - Works for me --Charitwo (talk) 03:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - He's consistently awesome :) (And I do apologise for not being around a great deal lately) 05:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess that just leaves it to me to make the change? :) 00:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, none of us can do it, can we? ;-P-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 04:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Crazy talk! I kind of expected someone to get impatient with me :P 17:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Result

 * Nomination succeeded.

Coobra
I've been seeing him doing an absolute ton of work around the wiki, especially in the image department, with speedy delete tagging and categorizing. Reviewing his deleted contributions (admin only), you'll find a veritable ton of speedy deletion requests that have for the most part been granted. I feel Coobra could and would use the tools to the benefit of the wiki at this time (and have actually for a while now), and so I am nominating him for adminship. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Please sign below of your acceptance, candidate:

10:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
It helps if people ping me about these things :P I'm not giving an opinion, but I'd like to see some more comments before I do anything :) 15:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

In response to getting on IRC... I'm not a big fan of it, I did get on the other day... well week, but I'll try to get on more often or if someone needs me to for a discussion. 07:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Updates? Kirkburn? 21:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Responses

 * Support: But get on IRC sometimes, alrite? 19:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support: Definitely a lot of work done in the image department. He is also always helpful and friendly to users. Just don't go stoic on me!-- 22:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support: A very good contributor in my eyes, and knows what to mark for deletion, and in general what is the right thing to do. Could get on IRC more often; I haven't seen him much, or not at all. 09:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support: Mainly because I want to see Kirkburn actually do something (this should be entertaining), but Coobra is a good editor. -- 21:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support: Has my vote. -- k _d3 00:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Result

 * Nomination succeeded.

Sandwichman2448

 * Active and involved user with over 10000 (usually good) edits.
 * Member of the Watchdogs, 'Bookkeeper Acolyte' of the Bookkeepers a self-proclaimed Cleaner, and elected a Crazy Person. Uses IRC too.
 * Tries to be helpful where he can, such as answering the questions of new users, and removing vandalism/violations.

Even if I fail, I hope to use your comments for personal wiki-growth.

Let the roast of me begin! -- 03:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
(In response to Sky2042) I was not expecting that. I believe the timidness stems from me being scolded about what was deemed my 'witch hunt'. I bit some noobs, and was finally scolded for it, so I stopped. Perhaps I took it to far. I have added several people to the Violations list.-- 00:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * (In response to DuTempete) I really do not think I am timid. I also do not grovel. I just say sorry… a lot. This is the way I am. Again, even if I fail (Seemingly I am), I hope to use your comments for personal improvement. I do not think my attitude has ever harmed anything (Besides this vote), but it certainly has not helped anything.-- 00:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying you're a bad person, hun, or that it's a bad way to be. It's just a bad way for an admin to be.  You've made loads of good impressions around the wiki, and you're a steadfast contributor. I really appreciate that.  --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  05:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * (In response to Pcj) I believe adminship is a big deal, and not just a popularity contest. I get it about you thinking I am timid. As for my IRC activity, I log on when I have a question and then log off when my computer disconnects me or everyone stops talking.-- 00:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, I realize that I got the response to Pcj's comment wrong. Adminship is no big deal, it is just more buttons. I think I could benefit WoWWiki if granted adminship.-- 20:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Just like to say that you have been improving alot from what i've seen and i'm not suprised -- 22:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Responses
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 * Support - He has my vote. IconSmall HighElf Male.gif<span


 * Support - Sure...and Sandwich, you didn't have to clean it up, cause that's how we like you. 02:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - You're too timid, Sandwich. Every other comment you make (and I'm not trying to be mean with this) is to wonder if you've stepped on any toes by being here or doing this or not doing that. While wondering if you've stepped on too many toes is something that is commendable in an administrator, you will be required to step on toes to deal with trouble users and articles, and you don't seem to have that quality. Be more assertive in general, both onwiki and on IRC and then maybe in some time I would support you. --Sky (t | c | w) 23:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I think you're a generally positive person, you're active, and you seem to be rather helpful. On the other hand, I don't believe you have the maturity level I would like to see in someone with these responsibilities.  This has a lot to do with what Sky mentions; I see you being very easily pushed around, and that's a big bad no-no for an admin.  There are a number of people, besides myself, who have experienced the groveling behaviour you present when you are questioned. -- <span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  04:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * - If the general consensus on this wiki viewed adminship as just an extended toolset - as on Wikipedia, where the sole question in a RFA is "Can this user be trusted with the administrator tools?" and the general idea is "adminship is no big deal", bearing in mind that admin actions can be undone by another admin - rather than what here seems to be a popularity contest, you'd do fine. However, you are a bit too timid for the current state of WoWWiki adminship.  And you could be on IRC a bit more.  -- 06:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Somehow this vote has gone on for over a year. He is helpful so I think he would be a good admin.  Being able to confront people will come with experience. -- 01:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think you're a great editor and user to have around; and you're neither (in my opinion) timid nor lacking maturity. But you lack a lot of comprehension and I've seen you mistake situations a lot of times. This is one of the worst things to do as administrator. 02:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * - Pretty much seconding everyone elses comments, nothing to add really. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 13:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Long overdue, you've addressed all concerns. -- 11:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - Well no one is perfect, least of all me. But I feel his knowledge level is competent. He usually knows who is breaking policies, probably even better than me (it can be argued that I have misinterpreted situations as well). Not showing initiative? Well that could be a fault I have sometimes. I'm not always bold about changing things, because I want to make sure other people agree if the reason is nebulous to begin with. I do agree that "groveling behaviour" as DuTempete mentions could be a weakness, but that's something that can be changed. Especially when someone goes into a position of authority. Some people avoid trying to argue with admins to avoid causing too much of a conflict. This could be seen as "humbleness" which could be seen as a positive, to quote the cliche, "the meek shall inherit the earth"... Being willing to apologize for mistakes doesn't necessarily equate to "groveling", it can be considered a positive trait. I'd perhaps suggest a trial period to see how he fairs. If he makes too many 'mistakes' then he could be reevaluated at that point. So I say give him a chance. —Baggins (talk) 22:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - From what I've seen, I vote in favor of support. I agree with Baggins on this. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 17:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - A very friendly editor of the wiki, I think you should be a friendly and submissive administrator, Sandwich. Frostworn1822 (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - One of the funniest, friendliest and more experienced editors of the wiki. 15:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Undecided - Most of the oppose arguments I've seen seem like weak negatives compared to issues with existing admins. SWM, is very close, but I have to give it more thought. As most of the other admins know, I think requiring an admin to be on IRC is complete BS. Of course some of them think, I should be on IRC and want me to be demoted because I pointedly am not. Also, by the way, . -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 10:41 PM PST 11 Apr 2009
 * There is not a single oppose referring to his activity. Soapboxing about yourself or other administrators isn't necessary either. From what I can tell, I'm the only one who referred to IRC, but I see the actions which tell me "no" on-wiki also. --Sky (t · c · w) 15:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? Your oppose said, "Be more assertive in general, both onwiki and on IRC..." Although this doesn't specifically say admins are required to be on IRC, mentioning implies it is related to admin responsibilities, which it is not. It could be, but it currently isn't, so it probably shouldn't even have been mentioned. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 10:31 AM PST 5 May 2009


 * Support - He's a cool guy and know how to resolve many problems. I even remember that, when I joined the wiki, I thought he was an admin because of his way of speaking :). Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - He has always been helpful -- 00:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - His a good guy (lol no work today :P) Max Krist (talk) 00:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Results for Sandwichman2448
Ok, so a year later, I'm finally calling a close to this rather drawn out RfA.

SWM: Congratulations, you're now an admin. We could always use more fresh blood. -- k_d3 02:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Howbizr
-- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 3:47 PM PST 27 May 2009 I appreciate and accept the nomination for adminship. I think my other qualities worth mentioning that most people probably don't know already: -Howbizr (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC) (ya ya I know, I need a better sig)
 * Active and involved user with over 2500 edits.
 * New articles and edits tend to be well written.
 * Very good at adding informative edit summaries.
 * Focuses on contributions that will help many people as opposed to mostly personal interests (okay maybe a bit warrior focused).
 * Member of Template Engineers.
 * Experienced WoW player.
 * Acceptance of nomination by Howbizr and additional comments
 * Not just a player, but fairly serious raider and achievement gatherer
 * Mostly active in achievements & patchnotes projects in the main namespace, somewhat active in the User template space as well
 * Been active outside of wowwiki regarding wiki training (presentation & contacted Developer Zone about maybe making a refcard)
 * Computer science background is handy for intuitively understanding some wiki concepts (why transclude, load issues, category inheritance, etc)
 * This wouldn't be my first leadership role. I've been a section lead in highschool band (~30 students), teaching assistant in college, development lead at work, guild officer in Pacis Nex, volunteer and educator about bird conservation, mostly through the Ohio Bluebird Society

Discussion
I nominated Howbizr, because frankly we need more admins and I want to get the good candidates in process as soon as possible. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 3:47 PM PST 27 May 2009

Responses

 * Support - I nominated, so duh. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 3:47 PM PST 27 May 2009
 * Undecided -- 22:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - She's a really good editor and works well with others. Plus I think it's about time the admin team has a token female. I am not sure we need more admins, but Howbizr is a good choice. -- 22:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Active and doing a good job. 05:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I think she would be a great Admin. (Token female or not) . -- 01:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - She speaks concisely and wisely in most conversations that I've seen, and generally does good edits. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - A good contributor. I have no problem with her.-- 00:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Results for Howbizr
No opposition and only one undecided. Time to get promoted. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 2:10 PM PST 14 Aug 2009

ShandrisForever

 * I want to become an admin, who will nominate me? -- 07:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Responses

 * Oppose - An admin knows the rule of WP:DNP, and I'm afraid you might think you are above them once you've become admin. Beside, the threat of ban would be one of you're favorite tool, on many occasion before, because your edits were reverted (some were DNP, but not all), you've gone mad when you see you cannot find arguments for too long debates. 09:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was tired of you deleting stuff I've written. And not everything I write is DNP. I think you two are abusing your powers. -- 10:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I said "some were DNP, but not all". Beside, except my bloody bastard spirit, I've no power.
 * 10:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Not a whole of edits to the wiki (under 1,500 to the main space), constant DNP material appears from him. 18:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Most of his contributions are datamined and other DNP content. Has an odd habit of showing off his illicit images by filling up talk pages with them, when clicking on a thumbnail works just as well. He is hostile and argumentative. I am no bean counter, and see quality over quantity, but there is no defense for him there. May be the same user as Leviathon.-- 18:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am NOT Leviathon, that's for sure. -- 21:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Adds DNP contnent, deltes cited information, seeing random edits of the user I found out some useless edits, and openly curses the admins . Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason I removed that content was because it was old, from the beta. There's nothing wrong with that, it's irrelevant. I'm not only adding DNP stuff. Where are you sourcing everything from? Patch notes? -- 21:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Being or not from the beta it resulted to be true, Anub'arak reapeared. And I didn't said that all your contributions are DNP, just that some of them are. And you shouldn't ask where I sourced my reasons as I put them, see the links in my comment. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Undecided - I have not had many dealings to oppose or support. --  01:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Results
Not going to happen. -- 01:49, November 7, 2009 (UTC)