Talk:Terenas Menethil II

Two questions
Two questions regarding the information as posted:

1. Was it not through Terenas's throat Frostmourne was driven? It always looked that way, and the sort of raspy noise that escapes Terenas as he dies made me think so. Maybe I was wrong...

2. It states that King Terenas's remains must have been somehow found and brought back, as the coffin inscription states that. However, isn't it possible they just wrote that because they wouldn't want people knowing that Arthas went and stole what remained of their king? I mean, I doubt we'll ever actually find out, but I'd think this more reasonable/plausible.

--Wasted 00:20, 2 July 2006 (EDT)


 * According to Christopher Lee ( Saruman in the LotR film trilogy ) that's the sound someone makes when stabbed in the back, and being impaled through the heart might have a similar effect.  He was in the British Special Somethingorother in World War II and I guess saw alot of people get stabbed, and heard the noise they made.  If you have the extended edition of Return of the King you'd be able to see him talking about that.  I think it's on one of those huge WETA featurettes.  If Frostmourne were driven through Terenas' throat, the only sound he'd probably be able to manage would be a raspy gasp, followed by a low gurgling noise.  Super Bhaal 10:13, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

What's this about Frostmourne whispering to Arthas? Sounded alot like Arthas was talking. Super Bhaal 20:27, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * It's Arthas' voice. But whether it was Arthas' speaking, or Ner'zhul speaking to Arthas is up to interpretation. Personally I think it was Arthas talking to himself.--Aldrius 02:25, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

I always thought that it was Nerzul speaking at first, but Arthas then adressed King Terenas himself. I'll admit that the voices did sound pretty similiar, though. Swiftstar 01:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)Swiftstar

Theories about the remains.
Here's an interessting rumour about what lays in the grave: It's rumoured that a few forsaken, more loyal to Terenas than to Sylvanas, went and asked Thrall to call onto the spirits to get the lost ashes from the earth and water and bring it back to where it belongs...--Maibe 04:41, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
 * Eh. It's probably just Blizzard being forgetful. If you want a real explanation, though. I'd say the best guess is propaganda.--Aldrius 02:26, 14 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Could be true, but without anything to back it up, it may just be a rumor. My guess is that it's just the crown.  It's not that uncommon to just bury a key possession when the body can't be recovered. Meneldir (talk) 21:07, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Why didn't the guards do anything?
There were ten guards in the throne room when Arthas killed his father, yet the guards did nothing to help the king. Are we to assume that Arthas' own two guards (obviously corrupted men similiar to acolytes, as no undead could have entered the city unnoticed) took care of these ten men, who without doubt were some sort of elite. Regards, --Theron the Just 23:42, 17 April 2007 (EDT)


 * That's a very good question. -_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:00, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps you would like to offer your view? Regards, --Theron the Just 12:48, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Maybe they had to keep guards from Arthas until he kills his father and then he helped them to defeat guards. After all Arthas is far more powerfull than any guard. What i cant figure out its how Arthas left the city. People outside probably heard noise in throneroom and the City was probably hardly protected by guards because of recent attacks of undead. Why they didnt stop him? --Axell 12:59, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I suggest sheer shock. People act unpredictably under pressure and many would probably have not believed it to be real. 15:09, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * When he first enters, I seem to recall that there is sounds of a celebration going on. People are happy that he's returned. His father is expecting him to return, so the guards just let him pass, not thinking anything of it (despite his strange clothing, and deterioted look). Once he was up to the throne it was too late for anyone to do anything, because Arthas made his move quickly.Baggins 15:14, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Honestly? For cinematic reasons. That scene builds up to the moment of patricide excellently, and is by far my favorite clip of any of the games. Showing the shocked faces of the guards or whatever happened to them would probably have seriously detracted from this. You don't need a reaction shot, or shot of his two acolytes slaughtering the guards. If they included that, it would reduce the effect of the scene. What happens to the guards is inconsequential, anyways. It's safe to say through a combination of surprise and superior skill, the two acolytes took care of them. The same combination allowed Arthas to leave the city safely. --Mikaka 04:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * @ Baggins: Yeah, visible celebration, complete with rose petals Arthas causes to rot.
 * @ Mikaka: Looked more like necromancers ( pincer-tipped staves, Gandalf beards, old man posture ).  If that were the case, I'm sure they just used some kind of mind-affecting spell or caused their skin to slough off .  That or after Arthas made his statement  ( which I felt was overdoing it ), he and his guards either gutted everyone else or just hauled ass.  RoC Arthas seemed more "hit & run", while TFT Arthas seemed more "why don't I have some fun before I go?".  --Super Bhaal 14:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * His two lackeys do run to the sides of the room. I think that was to deal with the guards as well.-- 23:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How you could make sense out of what I said back then, I'll never know...but yes, I also noticed that. I also noticed that there were no guards present during his return.  Isn't that kind of irresponsible, leaving your ruler's room unprotected?  --Super Bhaal 06:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If im not wrong Arthas' two guards are Falric and Marwyn, they are obviously extremely powerful death knights who were trusted by Arthas to guard frostmourne itself. Taking out king terenas guards should be easy for them and with arthas too to help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by . 08:48, October 3, 2010
 * Well in the book, Arthas:Rise of the Lich King, it says that after Arthas killed his father, the undead swept threw Capital City, that's why it is how it is in WoW. As for the guards...well, Falric and Marwyn where the first of Arthas's death knight and incredibly powerful. It takes little thought as to how much damage they did to a bunch of shocked guards when they can throw around Death Coils and don't feel pain. And think of all the chaos when Falric and Marwyn caused when they walked out of the Imperial Chamber, covered in blood, and started hacking apart civilians and raising the dead! And since the Scourge invasion killed most of Lorderon's army and Arthas took the rest to Northrend (where they too became zombies), Capital City would have only been garrisoned by a very small force.(in comparison to the whole of the army) That is all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by . 01:39, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Terenas Menethil II's blood
If you look closely at the bottom of the throne to its right as you're facing it, there is a visible streak of blood on the floor. It is possible that this blood is the king's and was a result of Arthas stabbing him with Frostmourne. --Spectrezh 04:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes blizzard has said it is in fact his blood in quite a few places, once i know for sure on the CE dvd. 07:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, looks like his blood was high in iron content, too. --Super Bhaal 07:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Concentration Camps?
I am editing it from concentration camps to internment camp.

Not only is that a lot more accurate because Blizzard in every single official piece of lore, and in game, and in unofficial lore has called them Internment Camps, but the helpless Orcs are actually described in Lord of the Clans, and anybody who thinks the conditions was similar to the very unique horrors of the nazis is seriously intellectually challenged.

I'm sorry to sound so harsh, and I apologize if I broke the rule by being so, but lets face it. King Terenas was not commiting genocide, if he was Blizzard wouldn't have him actually be a topic of honor for the Horde during childrens week.

--LangstonTheCoward (talk) 03:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * While I do agree with the change on the basis that they are officially called internment camps in lore, the Nazis did not invent concentration camps, nor were they the only ones who employed them; theirs were merely the most brutal and well-known. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * While generally speaking they are called internment camps, I seem to recall coming across the use of "concentration camp" in a warcraft source once, oddly enough. Can't remember where it was though.Baggins (talk) 05:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Although, there are supremacists in Warcraft lore according to WoWWiki. I think the people behind the idea of the orc camps, which i think were internment camps, were probably not supremacists. Some people even cared enough to study why the orcs were becoming lethargic and also some orcs meet humans and vice versa and had children. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, these are the synonyms for concentration camp, according to Dictionary.com:


 * "Konzentrationslager, death camp, detention camp, forced-labor camp, gas chamber, gulag, INTERNMENT CAMP, killing fields, labor camp, prison camp, prisoner-of-war camp"


 * Just an FYI. 02:47, October 5, 2010

Pronunciation?

 * Some of us bandwagon WoW whippersnappers have never heard either his first or last name spoken aloud - and some of us also lack the right computers to go out and play WC3. Could someone add a basic pronunciation to the top of the article? We probably don't need any fancy upside-down dictionary symbols, just a tip on which syllables are emphasized. Thanks. :) Bluemalkin (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * His name is spoken aloud in the Warcraft 3 intro, which you could probably find on YouTube. The stress is on the "Ter" part of his name. TARE-uh-nus. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not like Tyranasarus? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Length of Reign
I just read Rise of the Lich King (which is why I'm putting it here, and not in the article itself) and the confrontation between Arthas (as a death knight) and Uther has been changed somewhat - instead of "your father ruled this land for seventy years", Uther says fifty years. Did Golden (or perhaps Blizzard's lore people) change Terenas' age and length of reign? Admittedly, I thought ruling for seventy years and having a kid in his 20s was pushing it just a tad...then again, we don't know how old Terenas was when he took the throne, either. --Joshmaul (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actor
This page listed Tony Jay as providing Terenas' voice in the Wrath of the Lich King cinematic. This is unlikely; he died over two years before WotLK came out, and his IMDb page lists no involvement with any Warcraft games. Terenas was more likely voiced by Earl Boen, who narrates the introductions you get when you make a new character. Egrem (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The intro guy and Terenas from the opening sound very much the same, but I would take anything at IMDB with a 'grain of salt'.-- 22:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Unless Jay recorded the Wrath intro on August 12, 2006, it isn't that likely that it's him, unless they did a MarlonBrando-as-Jor'El type thing or otherwise synthesized it. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 23:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Earl Boen only voiced him in WotLK, Tony Jay voiced him in RoC.

Narrator?
How do we know that Terenas is the narrator for the WoW intro scenes, especially considering it may be different voice actor? He is dead, he died before the events the narrator talks about, and he didn't seem to be all that worldly to begin with. I thought the narrator might have been Medivh, or else some unimportant voice over that has no real identity. --Primal Zed (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood. He's saying that Earl Boen, who voiced Terenas in the WotLK cinematic, also voiced the WoW intro scenes. Same VA, not same character. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The article still says Terenas is the narrator, which isn't necessarily true. After all, voice actors are reused for different characters in the Warcraft franchise several times.  --Primal Zed (talk) 07:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but they usually alter their voices depending on the role. That the characters sounds so much like Terenas implies that it is, on the other hand, there isn't any other evidence that it's meant to be him. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Except that the WoW intros came first, with Earl Boen doing Terenas for WotLK much, much later. He was likely simply the best pick for the role out of their available voice actors.  Why is this being defended so much?  If there is no real evidence, we can just change it.  --Primal Zed (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Go ahead, I think enough doubt's been cast. -_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 17:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Terenas is the narrator only of Wrath of the Lich King, if it is what you are saying, just read the narration and see he calls Arthas: son. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 19:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

What about the Death Knight introduction scene? That is certainly Earl Boen, if not Terenas. Ogrim (talk) 04:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes on Earl Boen, but only because he's narrated all of the other introduction scenes; it's not supposed to be Terenas. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:23, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Cite note 2 doesn't seem to lead anywhere
Anyone have any more information on the actor who voiced Terenas? Gamerunknown (talk) 20:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Earl Boen in the WotLK intro, and I believe Tony Jay in Warcraft 3. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cite number 2 is suposed to be the cinematic dvd of Warcraft 3, it leads you to a site where it is confirmed the information. The WotLK is Earl Boen, but the WC3 I don't think its Tony Jay because the voice actor passed away before the release of WC3 and Tony Jay didn't died until 2006. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Terenas WoW Model
I found this on WoW model viewer, not sure what it's used for.

--Arkenaw (talk) 07:20, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter, its WP:DNP. Not the first time someone has uploaded that image. 07:41, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Paladin?
Why does the article say he was a Paladin? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 04:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Read the citation.-- 04:59, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. What Citation? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 05:26, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * In the infobox. His statuette depicts him as a paladin.-- 05:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

So because of one statue we assume hes a Paladin? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 05:47, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It says he was, and nothing says he was not, so yes.-- 05:54, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Should we add Knights of the Silver Hand to his affiliation? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 06:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think all paladins of that era were members of the KotSH, so you can add it if you want. As it is extrapolation, you should mark it as "presumed". Or better yet, just leave it.-- 06:07, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I always assumed that that statuette depicted Arthas and was simply property of Terenas. The first paladins started emerging during the second war, and Terenas was neither young, blonde or long-haired during that period. --Ijffdrie (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Like the quest says: "...a very valuable statuette of Terenas Menethil." -- 09:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This may be my not-fully-complete grasp of english shining through, but can't that also mean "property of"?--Ijffdrie (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No, it does not. -- 08:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So Terenas was a paladin before the paladins were founded?--LemonBaby (talk) 09:25, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That, or he had a really, really extensive makeover after Warcraft II. Or the creator of the statue took some liberties (possibilities: It was made to commemorate the re-founding of the knights of the silver hand and depicted the person who enabled that as a paladin to honor him/Terenas became a paladin after the second war, but the maker of the statuette depicted him as much younger). Or the writers of the alliance hillsbrad quests didn't double-check their lore (there's another guest where the people of hillsbrad rever to Varian Wrynn as their king, so that is actually a good possibility.)
 * Since he was no fighter during the second war the statuette is a very unreliable source for the infobox. Making a statuett of someone doesn't define his charakter class. It could be noted under the "notes" section but should be removed from the infobox.--LemonBaby (talk) 12:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler Alert
It is not our job to ruin the ending for every single player who has not yet cleared all existing content in the game. It will be correct to remove the spoiler alert on the "Fall of the Lich King" section once Cataclysm has been released, once the Lich King plotline is no longer the major storyline of the game, and not a moment sooner. If you think you have a valid reason for removing it before then, please have the decency to explain your reasoning here. Austinlwyman4 (talk) 05:07, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, seriously? If you've got a problem like this, you don't come in here acting all high and mighty and like your word is law. You say "have the decency to explain your reasoning," yet you didn't give us the same decency before making your change and then told us accusingly that you're right and we're wrong. As for a valid reason, I think the Spoiler policy is more than adequate. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:18, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, where do I start? 1. You do a great job of taking issue with my "tone"; but discussing the actual question at hand, not so much. 2. There's nothing "high and mighty" about asking people to please not ruin the story for everybody. I'm looking out for the players who don't know all this stuff yet, and you're trying to paint me like I'm the jerk? 3. You're clearly incorrect when you say "didn't give us the same decency", as my thorough explanation is above, as it is, in fact, what you're responding to. 4. "You're right and we're wrong"? Who exactly is "we"? Please tell me you can have a debate without resorting to the artificial marginalization of your opponent. I know you want to put on a show about how I'm the only one who thinks this and the whole world agrees with you, but there's just not evidence to back that up. 5. The Spoiler Policy you linked deals with books and is NOT more than adequate in this instance. But let's pretend for a moment that it is. "The spoiler policy on WoWWiki is to not add plot information from a newly released work (novels, etc.) until two weeks have passed after the official release date of the work." When Wrath was released, the Lich King had not fallen. By the time Cataclysm is released, then he will have. So by your logic, two weeks after Cataclysm is released will be the apropriate time to add this information. That's two weeks after I originally suggested; glad to see you on the right side after all. Austinlwyman4 (talk) 16:16, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you don't want spoilers, then don't read it. We don't flag spoilers. -- 16:34, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

We don't tag spoilers from games. Period. Final. End of story. You can cry till the cows come home about how "right" you are and how "wrong" we are and make up a thousand reasons why but that isn't gonna change. Soon as something is publicly available the edits are allowed to be made. The books' grace period is just to give everyone a chance to read through it since a book works vastly different from a game. But even if we did apply that period it would apply to 2 weeks after the encounter being released on the PTR, not Cataclysm. I find it strange however you have choosen to make a stand on the title of one of the sections on the Terenas article and make no effort on the dozens and dozens of other pages with this particular "spoiler" and the thousands and thousands of other "spoilers" also found on the wiki. It's a wiki, its made to inform, if you dont want to be informed dont read it. 17:15, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am also wondering why - if you've been here any longer than a month - you choose to bring this up now. When it comes to major players in end-game raids, spoilers are rampant. Like Maiev in Black Temple, or Kalec in Sunwell, or the fate of Kel'Thuzad in the original Naxxramas. Stuff like that. And, by your thinking, we should not be posting anything about Cataclysm - about the zones, about the instances, about the lore, NOTHING - because it has not even been released yet. Most illogical.


 * On top of that, the Lich King has been open for eight months. And, for being the hardest fight in this game at the moment, there have been PLENTY of people who have killed him, some within the first week of its release. This is an information database, which means information is posted as it comes out. Yes, there are bound to be spoilers for people who haven't seen it yet, and probably never will. But you have a brain - at least, I sincerely hope so - and there's a part of it that tells you "don't read this, it has spoilers". I suggest you start using it, instead of making yourself look like a fool. --Joshmaul (talk) 07:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ashbringer and Frostmourne?
In the fall of the Lich King part, why are the ashbringer and frostmourne links to the fake versions of them? Wouldn't it make more sense to link them to the history related to them? Previously Flame486 04:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * *SIGH* It's because someone decided it was a phenomenal idea to make all links to item pages automatically convert into item links. This means that Ashbringer (which had stats in the game from when it was a GM-only weapon) and Frostmourne (which had joke stats at Blizzcon) show up as item links instead of page links, which looks ridiculous. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Removing Garithos Possibility.
"Another possibility is that the remaining Alliance forces in Lordaeron under Garithos erected the memorial during the short time that they controlled Capital City before Sylvanas took control."

as far i am Aware Garithos only had lordaeron like 20 or 15 seconds before his death he had no time.--Forsakenlord (talk) 18:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)