Talk:Northern Lordaeron

How infamous is it?
"perhaps this could be the infamous Blackened Woods". So infamous that it is still a red link? :/  APʘLLʘ (ZEUS)  16:51, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Speculation
My judgment is that this is the main city of Stratholme, because in Warcraft 2, Stratholme is port town heavy in oil production see here.--Voidvector 18:27, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Hmm, just to update info here, actually in Warcraft II, Stratholme was on Lordamere lake. It was also razed to the ground during the missions. Now if we take that event as having happened, it means it had to have been rebuilt farther north.Baggins 17:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

«Inaccessible»
''It is an inaccessible zone that can be part of the fallen Kingdom of Lordaeron or Quel'Thalas. This zone is mostly empty.''

This ist not true. I have been there once. From far away I saw some kind of castle. It's mainly flat and empty, thats true. Before a certain patch, it was possible to "grind" a horizontal surface. Like that we were able to walk across about 200m of horizontal walls built in by blizzard to prevent people from getting there. There were about 3h and we got there. But it wasn't that interesting (except the castle)

I was looking around in map viewer what you saw was the scarlet monastery or hearthglen or if you follow it more is strathalome--Vrall 07:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to add that the texture of this area is Brown/Purple, not gray.--Kodark (talk) 15:52, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

wtf
I just swam from Tirisfal Glades to Hinterlands, strangely enough the map indicated that I went directly through the Ghostlands. The entire time I was in Quel'Thalas. It looks like the expansion content really isn't connected to the rest of the world. --Ludditemike 12:36, 10 March 2007 (EST)

"lighthouse/tower"
I swam from tirisfal all the way around, and somehow i came upon a tower with a moonwell and some ruins nearby. the tower is fully complete even with a door, however the door is sealed and is rocky. coords are (51,25) i've got panoramic pics and such, not to mention closeups on the door, i just don't know if it should start a new article or be merged with this.--fir3horn 0530 31 March 2008 (CDT)

Northern Lordaeron?
Why is it called Northern Lordaeron when it can be called Northern Plaugelands? User:Tomatketchup

Plaguelands is actually part of "Lordaeron". Northern Lordaeron is also taken from a land mentioned in Day of the Dragon that may or may not exist.Baggins 17:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Ebon Hold
Could this be the surrounding area for Ebon Hold? Blackhawk003 (talk) 05:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably not. The articles on death knights from MMO-Champion, BlizzPlanet, and the like have confirmed that Ebon Hold is east of Tyr's Hand. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, Frejya, the MVP on the US WOTLK forums, has stated that Deathknights will have access to Northern Plaguelands and Ebon Hold. This also could mean that a this zone could be where the Deathknight Necropolis is located (not necessarily Ebon Hold) [[Image:WoWWiki Sambah.JPG|90x3]] 20:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't.-- 20:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Blackend woods
This zone was on a fan made map that got a hint from blizzard said that this is the blacked woods and this is also speculation to mention also the ghost lands in warcraft lore where called the dead woods not the blackened woods. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * Please sign your posts. I wouldn't call Blackened Woods a "fan made map" as it's from official RPG source lore. 06:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Investigation about Northern Lordaeron, Northeron, Hinterlands and Aerie Peaks
Regards to all, seeing the mess in relation to areas of Northern Lordaeron, Northeron, Hinterlands and Aerie Peaks and the many contradictory speculations about this issue, I plan to solve the mystery with the information we have. To do this I will go drawing conclusions or axioms, and then I'll linking them, so that everything fits. Because I am convinced that one single speculation would solve all this mess, although ideally would be this was taken as a proved fact.

Although little information we have in relation to these areas is diffuse and contradictory, as they come from different authors, surely there is a way to connect them all and come to a firm and credible conclusion.

This will take time, but do not worry, I will not change anything until I get the conclusions and you give me your blessing.

I will publish my reports in Talk:Northern Lordaeron, Talk:Northeron, Talk:Hinterlands and Talk:Aerie Peaks, at the same time. Northem (talk) 13:04, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * To do this I will go drawing conclusions or axioms, and then I'll linking them, so that everything fits.
 * No no no no NO. Sorry if that sounds harsh or preemptive but i'm just trying to save you some time. In regards to the mess, if you feel there is a way to increase the readability, give better access to all current known information, and streamline speculation by all means be my guest. But in no way should any "conclusions" reached by you be presented in any way shape of form as something that should even be given a second of consideration as "proved fact." Speculation? maybe to a small extent and even then worded with caution. That is complete antithesis to the goals of this wiki.
 * Here's my opinion, which also won't be presented within the articles. You are trying to solve a jiggsaw with pieces from various puzzles that were never meant to fit together and never will. Blizzard changed thier minds, forgot, never cared, retconned, etc.. take your pick. I understand where you are coming from, I too once tried to make sense of jumbled mismatched pieces of lore (Second War, Kilrogg, a few related articles were my folly). But thats not what the wiki is for. The wiki is not meant to solve questions about lore for other people (though i understand how tempting that sometimes is). If we did people would only learn our conclusions and recieve a biased perspective on lore thus undermining the site's credibility. It just presents all information in as neutral a tone as possible and allows the readers to decide for themselves. That why we (editors) don't use the word canon in articles.
 * Unless there is a source i haven't seen (there isn't) i really don't see what matierial could be added to the articles. What you see as a mess, others see as transperancy. 17:09, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, you're right, I could come to any conclusion but it would surely be different from the explanation that Blizzard could give.
 * So I will just consider carefully each of the occurrences of these four areas in the lore, and then, I will expose unequivocally what is known in a clear and concise way, what not to be confused with what is speculated (although I already had a pretty solid speculation thereon).
 * But what I fear is that Blizzard has forgotten these zones and, harnessing the cataclysm, these "uncomfortable" territories will disappear because they do not have a consistent lore. (Northem (talk) 16:08, February 20, 2010 (UTC))
 * Thank you for understanding. And yes i'm sure Blizzard will in fact do that, used to drive me up the wall too. 17:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Chronicles II map
In Chronicles II we can see a map where the half of the territory forms part of the kingdom of Quelthalas https://wow.gamepedia.com/media/wow.gamepedia.com/8/8c/Chronicle2_Eastern_Kingdoms_Before_the_First_War.jpg?version=3c76a8001cc793a44d970dd79f725d4f-- 04:37, 07 august 2017 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't pay it much attention, considering that area of Quel'Thalas is where Stratholme is in WoW (north of the lake, https://wow.gamepedia.com/media/wow.gamepedia.com/6/62/WorldMap-EasternPlaguelands.jpg?version=1e7bfa625c71fd14297e82b8739ed114).
 * Speaking of which, in another Chronicles II map (https://wow.gamepedia.com/media/wow.gamepedia.com/8/88/Chronicle2_Map_of_the_Second_War.jpg?version=939bdbf4d1eeb60cf2733321287e0a4d) Stratholme is much further to the south, between the forest and mountains, which I think does not make much sense. Wasn't Stratholme a coastal city in wc2 and was reconstructed as an inland city afterwards? Whitrix. 20:15, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I think most of the Horde-side account of Warcraft II can be safely discared as not canon anymore. Xporc (talk) 00:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. The problem still exists on those maps though. Both maps from Chronicles II show Stratholme southeast of the lake and the area north of the lake under elven control. In WoW the city lies north of the lake inside the supposed elven territory. Or the city moved between wars, or the map is wrong on both location of it and ownership of the region (while I admit the ownership does not matter because they could say Stratholme is in the western border of the lake inside Lordaeron and everything would be fine). Whitrix. 00:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)