Template talk:Race

Addition suggestions
If you wish to have a race/creature added to this template, please make that request here. Providing the icon would greatly help as well.


 * Murloc Children
 * Wyverns
 * Gryphons
 * Hippogryphs

Extension
This is a nice template, I know the purpose was just to make quick things for the main playable races... but with this, we could remove all the multiple race templates currently used. 02:51, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Started to add a few, and fully removed arakkoa, replace them any time you see one.
 * 17:58, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it really necessary to consolidate the various troll and dwarf types? It just looks very large (especially for trolls), and is misleading since I can't think of any place where the template would be used that would apply to every single dwarf or troll (except on the base dwarf and troll pages themselves). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:19, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zones with boxes that display Dwarf as a whole withouth precisions on which dwarf or troll it is.
 * And by the way, even if dwarf have 5 icons and troll 6, that's not so much more than dragons or elementals who have 4 icons.
 * 18:22, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * But how many zones contain every single kind of troll or every single kind of dwarf? And actually, I'd probably split up elementals into their various subtypes as well. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:50, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would not put all dwarves and all trolls in one grp, you're likely to never use it that way. And if you do encounter instances of each type of troll in the same area, you'd want to split them up anyway. Now for elementals.. If you use elemental it should use all 4 types, only when you specify which type, should it just use the one icon. 20:58, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Eredar should also be displaying the Man'ari eredar icons rather than the draenei ones. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well not really, because Eredar are said to be like Draenei and Man'ari have twisted and mutated from their original form.
 * Or am I mistaking?
 * 07:40, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Technically yes, the draenei are the original eredar race. Unless Blizzard pulls a "surprise!" in the future, though, there are no remaining "pure" eredar who aren't with the draenei, and the word "eredar" is used almost universally to refer to the man'ari eredar. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:05, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm finishing the template and its doc, I let you decide which icons you prefer.
 * 17:12, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well... there are a few Eredar like Velen, but for the man'ari simply use Man'ari. 17:19, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Velen is a drenei, as are all the rest. They're not a racial offshoot; they're the original eredar who have renamed themselves to distance themselves from their demonic brethren. Even the man'ari eredar page redirects to eredar. There are not currently any eredar in the game (or even known in the universe) who are neither draenei nor man'ari. The other problem with the racial "man'ari" template is that it implies that is their name; it isn't. It's simply a description. Everyone always refers to them as eredar. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:35, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Playable Races
This template lacks the capability to link to the "(playable)" race pages for when it's used in various gameplay tables and such. Shouldn't there be -p version for each or something to do this? -- 17:08, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me, as long as we don't get confusing. (Awesome to see this template in action by the way!) 21:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Edit: we actually have RaceIcon that kinda covers that. However, once the general move to this template from individual NPC races is sorted, perhaps that one should get merged into this one?

When I originally created this template... I designed it for the 10 (at the time) playable races with a link to " (playable)". Can we get that back? -- k_d3 02:45, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * This template changed his purpose, he was redesigned to replace the multiple
 * 06:25, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe kd3 is suggesting adding a "playable" parameter. 13:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ow. My bad.
 * Does  is ok to you all?
 * Not to self: "Learn to read morron."
 * 14:33, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No need to be so harsh on yourself! I think that style works. 19:05, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Or a  to detect if the race is playable or not. -- 19:30, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do we want to display:
 * Human and Human (playable)?
 * or
 * Human (playable) only?
 * 20:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should be displaying as normal unless people state they're refering to the playable race in the template, in which case only the playable one should be linked. I can't think of any sensible case for displaying both, as it looses its meaning and looks silly. -- 22:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So we go for the word (playable) after the race's name?
 * 22:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * IconSmall Human Male.gifIconSmall Human Female.gif Human
 * -- 09:09, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant the parameter. Do we add "Race (playable)" to the list? or something else?
 * 13:08, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Woops, lol. I'm not really bothered. After that experience subst'ing the template, i think there's probably far too many verbose ones already.
 * (playable) seems perfectly fine as it matches the page name and is obvious. -- 13:23, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * (playable) seems perfectly fine as it matches the page name and is obvious. -- 13:23, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Titanic watcher
As there aren't any titans, but only there watchers in WoW, shouldn't we change Race|Titan to Race|Titanic Watcher ? DeSatyr (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced that they weren't titans... 21:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Freya herself, for example, is called daughter of the titans, so I assume she's none. DeSatyr (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Sea vrykul
I think all mentions of sea vrykul should be changed to kvaldir.-- 22:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought this was already agreed upon... when did that change... 22:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggested Changes
i'm trying some suggestions: What do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Remove Drakeadon from the chromatic flight, they have lost their only association with the chromatic flight by being used by the twiligh flight
 * Add more icons to each elemental race template example: Earth Elemental i used these four since the limits seems to be 5 icons per template(could add unbound or bound elementals) since these 4 are consistent in the elemental hierarchy(missing 2 prince but that i don't think it matter)
 * Add Nerubian spiderlord to nerubian
 * Add qiraji prophet and emperor to qiraji


 * I would prefer to stick with one male and one female only, or only one icon if the subject has several types or is ambiguously gendered.-- 04:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What SWM said. The point of the icons is to give a quick visual reference for the race, not to be representative of every single individual within that race. Two icons serves this purpose; a long string of icons just looks excessive. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree very much so with what they said... and I really want to limit how many icons are allowed in this... depending on the name size, should the icons cause the one race/creature to need 2 lines in the infobox, then it has too many icons. This is a problem with the dragonflights. I can't remember if it was ok with 4 icons, but 5 is too much. 23:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Such a long name, it probably only stayed on one line with just one icon. 23:30, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Still think you should remove drakeadon and add some icons to each individual elemental, maybe the unbound and bound ones.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Your first point (likely about the Drakeadon Mongrels) is seemingly speculation, and your second point is the opposite of what three other people have said.-- 00:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ash's Topics:

Commentaries: DTZ spoke absurds for me: If the point is guive visual REFERENCE of the template, the template should make REFERENCE to more icons that reference the entire race as possible. But I agree with the fact that we should avoid put in more than one line. Despite this I prefer take two lines instead remove or don't add some icons, in certain cases. Basically I'm with Ash. 2X3, for now. But may numbers don't be the solution to the discussion And I go to, due this, make...
 * 1 - No. The Drakeadon don't lost their associationjust becouse they work TOO in another faction. **Also: Can someone change the order of first and second icons of the chromatic ones? It's to match the order of the Drakes of the another dragonflights.
 * 2 - Can be... but I have my doubts
 * The Rest - Completely agreeded.

...more requests:
Gabrirt (talk) 03:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC) → Lich,   →  Faceless general etc. -- 11:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A - The subtemplate "Troll" reffers unfairly just to jungle troll Icons, excluding the other subspecies (being excluded is horrible, no? :D). So I propouse: " Troll".
 * B - "Faceless one" have very few (just one) icons so, please addd more to reference the others types; " Faceless one".
 * C - Naga as well: " Naga" (or create "" refering to " Naga").
 * D - Create an icon for Forgotten one.
 * E - Create to refer  Elemental ascendant.
 * F - Create Unbound elemental.
 * G - As well: Bound elemental.
 * H - Improve or create: Ghoul.
 * I - Improve: Elemental.
 * I strongly support this --LemonBaby (talk) 15:39, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It's just often those come lumped together, besides i don't even see the purpose of this page there is already one for icon...--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The main purpose was to group 2 icons (or more) along with their race article to make things quick and simple for the infoboxes. However, I don't see the need for 1 icon and race article when RaceIconExt exists. 18:30, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Then remove any 1 Icons from this template--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's more or less impossible to do that at this point, without causing a lot of work going through every page this template is on and changing them to the other one. 19:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * So make sure no new ones are added... Also why do we have like 3 exact same icons? and i would happily go trough everyone of them if it made this whole thing less of a mess.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You just need to give me the word and i'll find all of these 1 icons and change them.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Good to see that people share my views on the groups and races. I could help you if you need, Ashbear. [[Image:inv_helmet_44.png|22px]][[Image:inv_helmet_119.png|22px]] (talk contribs) 20:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Only if coobra is okay with it--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:28, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're willingly to do the work, go ahead. Just keep the longer named ones around (that have 1 icon) like the dragonflights, Pandaren should stay here as well. 23:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Also why do we have like 3 exact same icons? - To which are you referring? 22:59, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Check the draenei and human section of this template? and do we really need 2 repeated race icons for playable races?--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the original original purpose of this template was to link to the playable race articles, but it was merged with the several race templates that existed. So the original concept stayed, but was changed slightly on how it worked. 00:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

However, I don't see the need for 1 icon and race article when RaceIconExt exists. Then why is this template called "Race" and not "Race Group"? The Scourge nor the dragonflights are races. Faceless ones and silithid aren't the names of all the current ones that are in the template. If it's possible, I'll go through the articles that have those groups and split them up to the actual races that are represented. -- 12:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

There's the fact that there are 16 different types of silithid... anyway i'll be removing one icons soon once i have time.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There may be more or less types of silithid than that, but whatever... models.-- 17:59, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

What I meant was having races like the crystal dryad, mo'arg, snobold for example don't really need to be used by this template, whereas races that have more than 1 icon (to show gender, or multi creatures in the group) are served by this template the best. I don't care if the current single icon ones are removed or not, but I'd just rather not see additional ones added, especially when they're only used on a couple articles. 17:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with male/female variations of a race, but that's where I draw the line. This template should not be used for race groups see above. -- 17:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Template:Faction is available, if we want to move them off of here. 17:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Races, groups and requests
I was probably the first to notice several years ago the incoherence in put "XYZ Dragonflight" in recelists, but I was not so 'communicative' at that moment. Anyway: I'm here to remake my requests and expose proposals. Gabrirt (talk) 22:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A - 'unfairly' has only jungle troll icons, excluding the other subspecies of Troll "(being excluded is horrible, no? :D)". So I propouse: " Troll" to substitute it, refering to all troll Species.
 * B:
 * B1 - have just one icon, witch actually made it some useless. Can some blessed soul add more to reference the others types of faceless ones following the example; " Faceless one".
 * B2 - And also create as " Faceless general".
 * C - Please, improve as: " Naga" (or create  refering to "  Naga").
 * D - Create an icon for Forgotten one, if it's possible.
 * E - Create as:
 * E1 -" Elemental ascendant" OR (despite I prefer this)
 * E2 - Elemental ascendant
 * F - Create also as " Unbound elemental".
 * G - And as " Bound elemental".
 * H - Improve to: " Ghoul".
 * I - Improve: to  display " Elemental".
 * J - The Dragonchange: Change the dragonflights icons at its templates to list all types of dragonkin like drakonid and dragonspawn conjointly with the dragon icon. An change the word Dragonflight to the word dragonkin because Dragonkin is more realated to race than the word dragonflight that refers to organizations. For the example: change "" to " Infinite Dragonkin".
 * K - See Forum:Problem_of_ambiguation and exchange the names of Blackrock and Dragonmaw simply to "Gray Orcs" change the to  Orc representing all types of orcs and create an  as  Green orc displaying " Green Orc".


 * A- i think the normal Troll should just be removed, it's useless and a triplicate.
 * B1- Unnecessary complication
 * B2- All 3 examples of faceless generals show different skins, ultimately useless
 * C- Unnecessary complication
 * D- It's on the list of requests at Wowpedia talk:List of race icons once someone feels like doing they will do it.
 * E1- Unnecessarily Huge
 * E2- I agree with this
 * F- No Mercury(also below)
 * G- Agree, but the elemental already represents them
 * H- Actually it should just be " Ghoul" the northrend model is just really a update to the old model.
 * I- Unnecessary complication
 * J- Too messy to respond properly
 * --Ashbear160 (talk) 22:55, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

The true purpose of this template was to simply make it easier to to show races within the infoboxes for races that have genders. Of course if the race is used a lot in the infoboxes it can also be thrown into this template to make it easier for editors. Something like E1 is completely pointless, because it would be used on what... one article (the Twilight Bastion). Also, we're going to no longer add excessive amount of icons to an entry, since it was causing line breaks in the infoboxes. A 4 icon limit is in place, and that's only due to the elementals. 05:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The only thing i think should have more icons here is just really the Dragonkin/Dragonflight sections which should have all 3 icons--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It was about this that I was trying to talk about. 16:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Dragonmaw Orcs
They should really be renamed to something liked Gray Orcs since the Blackrock also carry their skin--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed again. 16:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Sand troll request
Could someone change the sand troll template to make it point to the sand troll page and not the Sandfury troll page? The latter is now a redirect to the tribe, while the former is a separate page about the race. -- 20:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Two things
Would be nice if the layout of the page was made similar to that of the list of race icons that I changed a while back, by turning the race into a header, thus creating a table of contents for easy navigation. Example.

Second, I think it would be high-time to change "Zandalar troll" to "Zandalari", as well as replace the male icon with the one from patch 5.2. Mainly because, they haven't been referred to as "Zandalar troll(s)" since Vanilla (except for once in Cataclysm), not once were they referred to as "Zandalar troll(s)" in Patch 3.0.2, Patch 5.2.0 and after, nor in Vol'jin: Shadows of the Horde or Chronicle Volume 1. It's a term long forgotten by Blizzard themselves. I don't blame them, the term sounds terrible compared to "Zandalari".

Don't get me wrong, "Zandalar troll" fits the racial naming pattern of other troll subspecies, but even then, the phonetics of the word "Zandalar troll" sounds terrible compared to the others such as "Jungle troll" or "Forest troll". Which is why I think Blizzard changed to using only "Zandalari" for the past few years.

Yes.. I have been looking through a whole lot of quests and texts to make sure this is true. It's a forgotten term by Blizzard, and it doesn't sound good in the first place. Heck, I wasn't even a fan of it 12 years ago. WarGodZajru (talk) 18:41, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd rather not randomly start cleaning up all the "Zandalar troll" mentions without well, knowing that it would be backed up. Considering not everyone on here is always on the same page about stuff. :'D WarGodZajru (talk) 01:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Icon sizes
It has been a couple months since the Forum:Icon sizes discussion with no objections since. Could an admin add 18px 16px for the images so the icons can be uploaded as 64px sizes. 16:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Wildhammers
Could someone change the Wildhammer template to link to Wildhammer dwarf instead of Wildhammer clan? --Mordecay (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Blood elf, goblin and worgen playable icons
Delete the number 2 in the image names for the "Blood elf (playable)", "Goblin (playable)" and "Worgen (playable)" so it's conssistant with other /Race/ (playable) icons from this template. Mrforesttroll (talk) 16:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well pcj seem about to overhaul the template into a module, so ... probably then :p Xporc (talk) 08:39, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

N'raqi
s have this one link to N'raqi Mordecay (talk) 22:24, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I think we should add K'thir to the icons to n'ragi list if they are really faceless. if so i am uncertain they are.