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Again, welcome!  --Fandyllic (talk) 4 PM PST 16 Nov 2006

Template:Raid Dungeons
Where did you get the information for these dungeons from?--Hobinheim 14:59, 10 November 2006 (EST)
 * World_of_Warcraft:_The_Burning_Crusade, and the pages linked from there. --Tekkub 15:01, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Druid F/forms
The Druid forms article was recently moved to lower case forms recently per WP:NAME. --Gryphon 17:41, 13 November 2006 (EST)


 * Gah, righto, fixink --Tekkub 17:43, 13 November 2006 (EST)

I'm going through and trying to document the fascinating conditional templates you've made, but something doesn't look right in. appears to require a parameter named "@", which isn't supplied by. If I'm understanding how it's supposed to work, shouldn't the second half of be @= instead of 2= ? 15:02, 16 November 2006 (EST)


 * And actually, aren't and  the same as  and  ?  17:12, 16 November 2006 (EST)


 * They're templates I borrowed from Wikipedia and Meta until Mikk or Kirkburn can get the server access they need to install the parser functions for me... I feel so handicapped without those! I actually didn't manage to get Template:Exists to work correctly, and just kinda gave up ><  I figured I'd harass Mikk a bit more to get his server access instead --Tekkub 13:25, 17 November 2006 (EST)


 * AH! Thanks for fixing Template:Exists for me!  I now have Template:Vendor Item working as planned.  Check it out: Quartermaster Davian Vaclav/Items --Tekkub 14:11, 17 November 2006 (EST)


 * Ooh, they have even more fun toys over there! But I shall be strong... I shall resist... I will not spend another full day making silly icon templates.  ^_^   14:27, 17 November 2006 (EST)


 * See why I want the parser functions? :) Conditional templates kick ass.  --Tekkub 14:31, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Works!
Neat :) --Adys 09:56, 24 November 2006 (EST)
 * Meta <--- Most usefullest site evar! --Tekkub 09:57, 24 November 2006 (EST)
 * Indeed :D Bookmark'd --Adys 10:00, 24 November 2006 (EST)

Template:BC_Itempage_Placeholder
Although there is a certain obsessive elegance to this new template/boilerplate system you're developing, it is driving some NP Patrollers nuts with the proliferation of new pages. Since you're doing this for, I'm not too concerned, but you might want to re-think it somewhat. Not every little piece of information needs to be on a seperate page. -- Fandyllic (talk) 11:13 AM PST 27 Nov 2006


 * No, it doesn't need to... but with the templates I want to put in to use the stuff... :) The reason I did seperate pages was because Mikk didn't want to use the same system we used for AceWiki's TOC files.  Tack a look at the code on this page to see how that worked.  If you'd rather I lobby to use a single-page data template like that, I'll gladly talk to Mikk.  The whole intent with this design was to make life easy on the bot Mikk and I were messing with, and it's sole purpose was to get the new info into the wiki automatically in a format that could be used by nice templates.  Allow users to embed a tooltip, qualtiy-colored link, icon, or vendor frame into a page with noting more than an item name.
 * I need ta harass the bastard a bit more about that... do we have a channel on freenet by chance? It'd be nice to discuss some design stuff with the other big wiki users outside of the talk pages.  --Tekkub 18:21, 27 November 2006 (EST)


 * I guess I understand how separate pages would make it easier for a bot. Maybe you should only make those things on separate pages be for multi-line items? The real problem is clogging up the New Pages with one line items like icon names and such.
 * As far as discussion outside of Wowpedia, the only place this really happens is the WoWInterface IRC channel: irc.freenode.net, #wowi-lounge. -- Fandyllic (talk) 3:56 PM PST 28 Nov 2006
 * I have some rather specific reasons I don't go in the WoWI channel, talk to Caireen if you want to know why. we should get a wowwiki channel going :P  As for single-line stuf... hrm... we could do Item/Tooltip and Item/Data.  Put the icon, price, quality, etc in the /Data.  --Tekkub 21:09, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Did you guys come to a resolution here? I have been adding the rep items from Aldor_vs._Scryer using Tekkub's stub and I really like the simplicity of it. However, I am not in the NP Patrol group, and I can see how it would be causing them issues. I am happy to keep adding stuff if it helps, but if it is just going to cause issues, then that isn't good. Should I keep using the BC_Itempage_Placeholder template? --Eltari 01:12, 18 December 2006 (EST)


 * No progross has been made on a bot, so no progress anywhere else :)  13:33, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Based on Template:BC_Itempage_Placeholder, I'd say that this isn't the way to go anymore. I have updated Subtle Living Ruby to use what I believe is the right way to do it. Any chance you can check it. If it is good, I'll go through the other gems which are using the deprecated template as I get time. --Eltari 00:16, 14 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Use Help:Item articles. The placeholder was never intended as a permanent replacement for properly written item pages, it was just a generic placeholder to help people find info on the item quickly when a page had not been written.  Also if you look at that boilerplate, the noinclude close goes at the very end of the page!   01:20, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Kurenai‎
Why'd you go and ruin my table layout? :s


 * Ruin? You don't like it separated by rep?  I know it's still ugly looking, but styling will come soon enough ^^ --Tekkub 11:07, 29 November 2006 (EST)


 * You must have been editing it while I was too then, as about 20 mins before hand I had restructured the entire thing and added in the link for everything, wasn't as ugly either :( --Kiltek 16:40, 29 November 2006 (GMT)
 * Just search for it in the page's history and put it in again if that was better ;-) -- T inker  er  11:48, 29 November 2006 (EST)
 * Ah, I see now what has been done - Tekkub you need to format the table to make sure the headings are highlighted; reason I thought it looked ugly was because it looked as though you'd missed out the reputation needed on some items, as well as looking like it was all over the place. Shading the headings should make it a little clearer. --Kiltek 17:16, 29 November 2006 (GMT)
 * Yea looks like we were, I never saw that rep column. As for ugly.... unstyled tables still look ugly to me either way :)  I'll go style it up now... --Tekkub 23:53, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Colorful Sig
I'm not sure how to put this in the most tasteful way as possible on a public forum... But what's with your new sig? It's not bad or anything. It's just... Different. ? --Hobinheim 18:52, 11 December 2006 (EST)


 * I know I know, it's totally gay. Too lazy to try to come up with anything better tho :)   20:42, 11 December 2006 (EST)


 * Fine, we'll go with the bear flag colors instead of the homoflag colors, that make ya happy? I like this better anyway, bear colors are more subtle :P   23:41, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Welcome .... admin!
Congrats! To IRC with you! -- Kirkburn  (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2006 (EST)


 * LOLOMGWTF?????  18:39, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Secure code
You wrote that page Secure code. Actually there is no secure or insecure code, just secure or insecure environment. So the page name is wrong. The same piece of code can be in both, secure and insecure, environments. You also mention that hooks force insecure environment but do not mention secure hooks. Also the word "tainted" is not really the right choice IMO -watchout 14:08, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Ooh, don't go there ;) He's using the accepted terms used by the dev community, though I cannot vouch for their accuracy. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 14:42, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * I think a Wiki should contain valid information, meaning that "community accepted terms" are marked as such and explained. So Secure code should be redirected to Secure environment and the latter should contain a paragraph (or sentence) mentioning the "community accepted term 'secure code'" -watchout 15:52, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Yea someone should link up the forum posts. Actually, someone should transcribe the forum info into real wiki pages, I hate linking forum posts because they have a nasty habit of dissappearing.  And as for environment... I don't think that's the right term honestly.  All lua code executes in the same environment... it's kinda messy to be honest, especially since Blizzard doesn't really use OO designs in their UI code.  Anywho, I was trying to rehash incorrect info (more than Blizzy addons can execute protected functions), using the same terminology as the big stickies on the official forums use.   17:41, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * No. Actually only few lines of code (in a good script/program) are in the same environment - eg.

x = 1; do  y = x; end dump(y);
 * => y in last line is nil because line 3 is in a different environment (because do..end is a block statement creating a new environment (function) but inheriting the old one, thats why x in line 3 is not nil; and all control structures contain a block as a body) though I have to admit its a bad example...
 * for the posts... are we allowed to "quote" them automatically with a script (like ... http://blue.cardplace.com/blue_results1.htm ) in the wiki? We could then set up a bot to automatically quote blue posts to articles like Bluepost:BLIZZPOSTID, though this collection could grow quite fast... -watchout 05:45, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Yea, that is a bad example *grin* What you just posted, y will equal 1 everywhere... and I've always heard that refered to as "global scope".  Now if you instead had written...

do  local y = x end
 * Then yes, y would be nil... and that I've always heard referred to as local scope, not environment. Maybe I've got it all backwards, I am not a professional, I do not do this for a living, but in my little world "environment" implies that anything within it can effect anything else.  If I could not alter or even access some other variable, I would consider it a different environment.  But that involves big OO concepts like protecting variables and classes, and LUA does not provide such security for us.  All we get is local scope, and since tables are always passed by reference it's quite easy to break the "protection" a local provides.   08:34, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * umm... yeah right I forgot that local... too much php coding recently (where it's the other way round... local unless you declare it global...) the bad example because, lua really defines it as "scope" but acceptable since every block is parsed as an anonymous function, given its own (inherited) environment metatable and (inherited) "upvalues" (inherited local variables) and since they're declared outside the function they are actually the function's environment ... umm whatever I'll shorten this... if you dont believe me, believe the lua guys... they say every thread and function (can) have their own environments, this is stated here http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.9 -watchout 09:46, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Do we have access to setfenv? Hum... Anywho, now we're back to that whole matter of "community accept terminology" with scope vs environment :P  *shrug*  To be honest, if you feel you can write a better page, that you understand the subject much better, by all means do it.  I'm not exactly sure why we're even debating this crap.  Like I said, I don't do this for a living, I do it for my enjoyment... and I don't find arguing terminology fun, especially when we're both talking about the same thing.  Spread the love, spread your knowledge, spread you se... erw nevermind... just rewrite the page if ya got something to add!   10:34, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * I think youre going the wrong way... I just wanted to poke you and see what you would do with my input (since you created the page and not me) before I go there and start renaming pages and stuff -watchout 06:52, 29 December 2006 (EST)


 * Nah, there's a reason I like Wikis... I'm lazy. Someone says "oh you should do it like this..." and I can fire back with "Why me? It's a wiki.  You do it!"  *grin*   06:55, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Blue Posts
Since you mentioned this too and you seem to be an admin now, I'll bring this up here.

I think we need a policy or some procedure (and permission from blizzard?) to archive blue posts that are referenced inside of articles


 * the policy sh(w)ould state that every linked blue-post must be present in the wiki as a quote (including other relevant posts of the thread and a link to the original post in the official forums)
 * also we would have to create a procedure for "safe" quotes to prevent quoting errors (e.g. having a bot to automatically create articles - but that could cause some good amount of load on the server)

what do you think? -watchout 17:39, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * I do believe there are a few sites that already archive blue posts, why not just link to those?  17:54, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * I recommend we use: [blue.cardplace] -- Kirkburn  (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * Oh oh oh, what about green posts? The meat of UI forum info is posted by Iriel really.   19:53, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * there are, but the reliability is questionable, we would just switch from one source to another where you just dont know how long the posts will exist. Also that cardplace script skips locked topics so its not a complete archive anyway. Though in any way a template like this would really help if we had to switch some day... -watchout 06:00, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * It doesn't skip all locked topics, stickies show up. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 09:59, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * And what about implementing a template (User:Watchout/BluePostTemplate)? Hm, maybe it would be better using named attributes...? -watchout 09:06, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Aweshome!
I can't believe you did that. Bet it took you agesh! -- 12:38, 1 January 2007 (EST)
 * nah, copied the source into scite and just did a find for "s"... then replaced the ones that weren't in code. 16:11, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Elinksitem template
Heya Tekkub, Adys told me (&tau;) it would be nice of me if I wrote a botscript for my bot to fix those old elinksitem template inclusions. Are you doing this or something similar now or is it still a to-do and you meant something else? I'd start with the coding friday evening if it's still on the to-do -watchout 15:55, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * They need changed to the new template, yes. What I did was just cleaning up the fallout from Zeal's template.  Since thott links that had been there weren't showing up it needed fixed, and at the same time I slipped in bigger "update this shit" warnings :)  By all means, bot it!   22:29, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Pink Armor
I thought it was kinda' cute actually. :D--Sky 15:58, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * Aye, it wasn't vandalism per-sae... but it wasn't really appropriate content for the wiki. *shrug* I tried to go easy on the guy.  22:25, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * Wish I was a pally. This is totally not an excuse to show off this --> 23:05, 6 March 2007 (EST)
 * Whateva! 23:06, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Scope
Hah, thank you, I thought I copy and pasted that onto the comment page, blah. Thanks, though.

User:BrianUrinal
vandal, block. please. i know you're there--Sky (t · c · w) 14:00, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Gems
"(raw) gems that jewelcrafters can work with, please see this article."

could you fix that link ? . or make a disambiguation at the top of the article.. since it's sorta hard to find now what you're looking for. 02:58, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I've not had time to read over those two pages and fix all the references to gems and jewels. I'm still in the process of moving.  Don't worry though, those pages are the first two big edits I plan to do when I finall have time for an edit session.   12:38, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

I find "Raw Gems" more palatable than "Minerals". Were I not so lazy, I would look up how professional gemcutters refer to them. I actually thought "Jewel" was a more useful term, where the Gems page could simply provide the disambiguation explanation necessary. But, like, whatever, man. --Eirik Ratcatcher 21:11, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

map icon
Will work? (Warning: I don't have your talk page on watchlist =)) Mikk  (T) 08:23, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yes, and why the hell not? I hate you Lenny.  16:43, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Videos
Ahh, cool. Thanks for the note on videos. I had started to add them before I noticed any cohesive guidelines, and I usually use the same format on all the ones I added (just a header and annotated list), and kept the existing formatting on most of the ones that already had a video section. Unaz 12:16, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Template:TwoFactions
I'm sorry, but the I think the way you ran in and completely overhauled the template I made and saying that it "looks better" is pretty rude. Maybe I'm just being overprotective of something that I opened for editing, but maybe we can come to some kind of middle ground. I really like the "Notes" part you put in, but I think a slimmer info box (regardless of width) looks better.

Thanks, 21:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry if it comes across as rude, but that looked fugly to me. Personally I don't see much point to the table at all, I would have just added a See Also section linking to the other items.  There's no reason to link the other faction's items, nor is there any reason to link the items again on pages like Aldor.


 * (No worries about the "ugly" thing) But I think its a pretty handy reference.  13:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

various random user pages
User:Tekkub/Itemtooltip, User:Tekkub/Beaststalker's_Mantle, User:Tekkub/Beaststalker Armor, User:Tekkub/Beaststalker's Bindings, User:Tekkub/Alt Currency, User:Tekkub/Greater_Inscription_of_Warding, User:Tekkub/Imagelink, User:Tekkub/Greater Inscription of Warding/Price, User:Tekkub/Greater Inscription of Warding/Tooltip, User:Tekkub/Greater Inscription of Warding/Icon, User:Tekkub/Inscriber_Saalyn all seem to have been forgotten. Maybe you should cat them or delete them? >.> --Sky (t · c · w) 04:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The Lore Pages I Edited
Dear Tekkub -

The lore pages I edited were outdated since BC, even the WoW website admits so. I updated the section about Sargeras finding the Eredar race as an 'evil' race. I wrote than he finds them as a magical race and then corrupts some of them, while a sect of them escapes and becomes the Dreanei. I then also updated the appropriate section when the Legion discovers Dreanor. If you wish to leave the lore books in their outdated form - it's your call... I was just trying to be helpful.

Adam


 * The question is, which is which? If the source is still out of date, I'd leave it.  Make a new page with the updated lore and put a nice big noticed on the outdated page stating that it is outdated and we know it is, but it's an archive of the only source we have (Blizzy) and direct people to the updated lore.   02:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I double checked against the source. There was no change on the Bliz encyclopedia. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * After BC, the lore changed a bit, and Bliz haven't yet updated its history on its WoW site. When reading about Sargeras in his entry here and on Bliz' BC site, I saw it is different from what you read about him in the history entries here, so I updated them. Creating totally new history pages, in which I will have to write about all the history of WoW, as well as learn how to edit pages, is more than I wish to do. Again, I was just trying to be helpful. If I ended up causing demage - I apologize.

Comparison_of_Aldor_and_Scryer_rewards
Sorry was just making that cap edit consistent with the rest of the page. Shouldn't the rest be fixed as well?

--Frostbyte


 * Sure, fix the rest. It's general rule to only caps a race or class when used in place of a proper noun... "Hey Dwarf, go kill that boar"   05:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That doesn't make sense though... "Hey Girl, do blah blah." or "Hey girl, don't blah blah." Pzychotix 05:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Quiet you. Go debate that on Wowpedia:Manual of Style   05:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

".com" in elinks
Is it truly never appropriate to include the ".com" in the site name? Even if it appears to be part of the name? (The copyright notice even says "© 2007 WarcraftPets.com".) I ask mainly out of curiosity &mdash; I prefer it without, myself, but was trying to be "correct". 14:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Template talk:Elink - "site - Simple name for the site, used as the link text. This should be the domain name (cleaned up, capitalized, drop the '.com', etc) or the guild name"  18:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but the site is actually called "WarcraftPets.com - WoW Small Pets & Minipets". 18:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * From a legal standpoint, many sites identify with their '.com'... but should we make an exception for that? I don't think so.  If the tail isn't an integral part of their name (del.icio.us anyone?), then we should keep for a consistent look to the elinks sections.   18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)