Talk:Frostmourne (item)

Updated stats
heya. i figure a discussion should be opened about this--and this page seems as good as any, considering it's the one that's been reverted.

my two cents: i think updating stats for unobtainable items is unnecessary effort that, in turn, creates unnecessary maintenance for us to do in the future. if no one but GMs can use an item then the current stats don't really matter. that, and the original stats are often the most interesting or the most relevant to an unobtainable item's... myth, i guess you could call it? legacy? e.g. a frostmourne item added during wotlk feels like it belongs in wrath. in my eyes this is a historical item that should be presented as it was discovered.

that also ties into why martin fury's page is the way it is. the original stats weren't moved down to a section just because martin fury got updated stats; they were moved down because those updated stats are a part of the item's story. martin fury was changed as a result of misuse by a player. frostmourne was changed years down the line for unknown reasons. it's not comparable, imo.

--Eithris (talk) 04:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * For unavailable items, that were never available to players should really remain at the stats when they were added. Content that was once available to us but is no longer available to obtain, should still be updated (since it is possible someone could have that item). In this case, Martin Fury WAS available to a player and has since made history. Plus even if Martin Fury wasn't ever given to a player but was still changed, the significant changes I think would probably be worth documenting over compared to Frostmourne just changing from a artifact to a grey item and rmv'd most stats. Surafbrov (talk) 07:43, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That's largely been my inclination, too. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * personally i lean toward leaving most no-longer-obtainable items as they were just before they were removed. it’d take a lot of extra work to keep them all updated, and the number of people who have a removed item will dwindle over time. i feel that the time-of-removal stats are the last fully relevant ones in most cases.
 * but ye, you have a point about martin fury. even if we didn’t know the reason, going from “kills all enemies within 30 yards” to “kills the caster” is a big change! would definitely still be interesting enough to document, even without the backstory. Eithris (talk) 15:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)