Talk:Wowpedia/Archive02

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To Wikia: If you love something, let it go. It's far easier to explain to the shareholders that way.


 * I think it's more than fine and fair to have wowpedia listed as a fan site, but this particular article is anything but unbiased. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya 05:23, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * A little bit is biased, but hell, it even mentions the fact that wowpedia's up & down like a yoyo. Either way, I edited it. It should be fine now. Resa1983 (talk) 13:33, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Polished it up a little more. It should be just fine now. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya  14:57, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Does WoWWiki have a neutrality check template? :D Plymouth (talk) 16:19, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * It does, and I included one last night which was subsequently removed. The edits you last made looked just fine to me. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya  16:30, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wowwiki
At NO point did wowwiki admins request wikia remove wowwiki from their servers - wowwiki admins know CC-BY-SA too well to even ATTEMPT that stupidity. Freyja, you adding that section back is a blatant lie. Wowwiki admins asked for the domain name (which is completely separate), and even offered to purchase it, with Wikia saying no. I resent you posting your lies when you weren't even around for the negotiations. I'm replacing that section again.Resa1983 (talk) 16:21, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEE!!!! Good Lord, calm down.  Correct the section then and try to remain impartial while presenting both sides of the issue.  It was my understanding that the admins here wanted wikia out of the site completely, which would seem to involve removing the site from their servers (otherwise wikia would still control the content and layout).  If Wikia went ahead and gave up the domain name, you can bet they'd want another wow website, but having the 'wiki' still on the name of the old site would fly in the face of the ToU, specifically the Intellectual Property clause.  I'm trying to present their side of the issue rather than presenting something that essentially resorts to 'they were evil, 'nuff said'. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya  16:30, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't be absurd. The Terms of Use does not dictate Wikia policy; it limits users, not Wikia.  It is Wikia policy to not remove content from their site when a wiki leaves, that has nothing to do with the Wikia Terms of Use. -- 16:33, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did correct the section, and you reverted it again. Admins wanted to LEAVE wikia, yes.  However they know better than to request wikia remove content from their servers due to CC-BY-SA, which is why they grabbed a copy of everything and left.  Leaving wikia DOESN'T mean they wanted wikia to remove content from their servers.  The admins aren't stupid enough to request that.  If Wikia gave up the domain name, they could go back to what they WANTED wowwiki to use last year - wow.wikia.com.  They had no problem with wow.wikia.com last year, why the problem with it now?


 * Yes, I'm biased. I side with the admins.  However I'm actually attempting to keep the article un-biased so it doesn't get deleted, while you're not even attempting to by keeping on putting in that drivel about the admins requesting Wikia to remove Wowwiki from their servers.  No one really knew that the wowwiki.com domain name was signed over to wikia when the previous owners came over, until it was revealed to them by Wikia (they didn't originally own it).  Admins asked to have it signed over, or to even buy it from Wikia, however they said no.  Thats the facts, not biased opinion, and it gives a reason as to why we moved to wowpedia.org (because we couldn't keep the original domain name). Resa1983 (talk) 16:41, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * @ Pcj: And the users wanted to take the wowwiki domain name with them, right? So it would seem the Terms of Use did apply, which includes the usage of the wikia name in part or in whole.  Using WoWWiki outside the wikia network would fall into their 'confusion' statement.  Be that as it may, my intent is to present this article in as neutral a stance as possible, Wikia reasons (interpreted correctly or not) aside.
 * On another note, though, can we use something besides 'fork' in the article? Doesn't seem to jive.  'Branched' is a good alternative, at least in the first instance. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya  16:43, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * WoWWiki is not the Wikia name, they simply own the domain. Fork is semantically correct. -- 16:45, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something makes me think that anything I say at this point or suggest, even if it's just a change in punctuation, will be met with 'no'. Good luck with the new site. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya  16:52, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fork is semantically correct. Branch means something different.  Fork means copying & going separate ways, branch means copying and running together in tandem. In this case Fork is correct. The only problem we had was you putting false information up about wowpedia/wowpedia admins attempting to make them look bad for wanting to leave. Resa1983 (talk) 17:01, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was unaware both 'fork' and 'branch' were used in software language. Thank you for taking the time to point that out.  As for supplying false information 'to make people look bad for wanting to leave', nothing could be further from the truth, which I've said repeatedly.  I am not beholden to either site, and my only intention was to make the article as unbiased as possible.  Is it true admins wanted to leave?  Yes.  Wikia had reasons which were absent in this article regarding the domain, reason which I apparently (but quite innocently) misinterpreted.  Alas, such is the nature of public sites like this.  All I wanted was to post both sides' reasons for action.  Seeing as how that has been accomplished, it looks like the article is neutral as it stands now and I have no problems with it. Frejya's Ring.gifFrejya  17:09, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good to hear. :) -- 17:11, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair btw Pcj isn't exactly a dispassionate party when it comes to editing the locked article. I'm just saying. Plymouth (talk) 16:46, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt anyone editing this article can be a dispassionate party. -- 16:47, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very true. Plymouth (talk) 16:48, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Traffic
In the future, it would be useful to see how much the move affects traffic to the new site versus the old over time. Some sort of unbiased metric would have to be used though, because I've never trusted Alexa and certainly not now since the kind of people it includes are the same ones who have no idea the move occurred. Right now it's too premature to talk about such things, obviously. Plymouth (talk) 16:38, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Giveaways?
It now says Wikia have begun "giveaways in order to generate enthusiasm for its site" - what's it talking about? It will be useful to put details of what kind of incentives both sides add. Plymouth (talk) 17:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * See Forum:Future of WoWWiki. -- 17:08, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Logo
It should be on here. Plymouth (talk) 04:10, October 29, 2010 (UTC)