Talk:Garona Halforcen

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News from the Comic
Well, we finally know what Garona did after killing Llane. She took Maternity Leave. She left the kid right away, and apparently the kid has something of a destiny to him. source On an offtopic note, this whole thing makes me think of some sort of Warcraft Tabloid or something Meneldir (talk) 15:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Anything more? Like why she has purple eyes? Also, I'm putting this on the bottom of the talk page. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  15:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * She leaves her son, called Med'an, that BTW seems to have vestigial draenei tentacles in his face, to an undead mage called Meryl (the same name that the UD warlock action figure has, Meryl Felstorm). Doesn't make anything to clarify Garona's origin, though it would seem she is half-draenei, taking into account her sons' draenei facial features. Also the name Med'an is quite suspicious.--Morgaur (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * How so? [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  18:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting Warchiefthrall (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

As evidenced by this, Med'an does share some draenei traits, including tentacle stumps and glowing cyan eyes. They don't show his feet, so we can't tell if he has hooves or not. Garona, however, does not appear to possess draenic traits (but she's hotter than ever), which may indicate that she is not half-draenei, but Med'an is (Garona+Velen?). But why the purple eyes? Sargeras's curse, as mentioned in the preview?  Xavius, the Satyr Lord  19:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I certainly disagree with your etymology, but it looks like your parentage guess is correct species-wise. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Med'an appears to have vestigial "tendrils" and a vestigial "faceplate," but we definitely see his little toes in one panel. And if his dad is Prophet Velen, I'm going to scream.  Seriously.  Because the fail will officially be epic.  Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 21:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

that would make sense... somehow... it doesnt explain anything about her origins at all, she could be draenei or not, maybe med'an draenei features are visible cse his mother was a hybrid... anyway, all this expeculation won't help the article in any way and seems really uncessary, let's just wait and see Azahel (talk) 13:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Half Orc-Half Draenei
Last page of issue 15 is a "Cast of Characters" page with Garona on it. Under Garona it says: "An Orc-Draenei Half-Breed trained from childood as an assassin." At long last...we have an answer. That being said i'm not even going to bother tackling this one myself on the mainpage, with the mess it's gonna be taking into account conflicting sources, speculation, etc... 09:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As soon as I see a copy of that, I'll be more that happy to lacerate it with my talons... -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well at least we know now what her other half is and the Draenei were on the planet at the same time as Orcs. Maybe some clan took some Draenei as prisoners and wanted to make Orc/Draenei troops like they did with the Ogrillon. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 13:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * *sigh* Appendix 3 :( You want the Mok'Nathal.  Also, given there aren't more orc-draenei half-breeds running around, I find that suggestion unlikely. --WarlockSoL (talk) 15:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * *Ahem*. Also, the Garona of the comic's picture looks nothing like a draenei. But then again, neither does Lantresor... But the latter can be attributed to laziness. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  16:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, but that's only one other :P (when I said "more", I meant a lot more :P) Meanwhile, the Mok'Nathal have an entire village ;)--WarlockSoL (talk) 05:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Her face is somewhat draenei, especially those pupilless eyes. With the official confirmation, it's about time we delete this whole mess in "parentage" section, since we have an official statement. More official than Caydiem thinking it is so. Severin Andrews 16:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Just when you think the comic can't get any worse they manage to add in Garona and make her have a child. Leviathon (talk) 17:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * At least they haven't forgotten about her. And look in her hand: the same kama as she has in the promotional cinematic image. Hmm, kama, kama... Broken? [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  18:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * All I know is that if the father ends up being Medivh or Khadgar I will know that the comic can indeed get worse :p Leviathon (talk) 02:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * get a grip leviathon if you don't like the comic just stop reading it and oh a let me ask this did you preferred that comic didn't answer garona's race and by the way why don't you like it the comic bad? --Manuel (talk) 03:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And we care what you think why? This isn't a forum, take it somewhere else. Editorial comments only. 04:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

but he gived his --Manuel (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I was talking to him. Had i been responding to you i would have indented it one further, like this one. 11:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * ups sorry, --Manuel (talk) 18:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have cleaned the mess up, I left the entire list of sources and tried to combine it with this new source then I added that the list is kept just for historical reasons :) Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)~ ~ i didn't have the chance to read it ye but it seems nice it is at least oganized good work BEnito :D --Manuel (talk) 11:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems Metzen hinted a bit that the father is Medivh in the new Blizzcast. Leviathon (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Where in the blizzcast did you see that? From the transcript I see him talking about some plans involving expanding out some TOoT lore, including the possibility of a non-human guardian, but nothing specifically about Med'an's parentage.  I could totally see the lore working itself out with Med'an being Medivh's spawn and later becoming the non-human guardian Metzen talks about, but nothing in print so far leads directly to that conclusion. Vyzen2 (talk) 20:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Great. Another Retcon. Oh well. "Her face is somewhat draenei, especially those pupilless eyes." You do realize that the picture/image was made before the entry of the draenei, right? Anyways... As to who the father is... quit speculating, it isn't really needed. Just be patiant and wait for the news.By the way, Look in the Retcon article, Retcon 1 specifically. "Horde Player's Guide, 2006, mentions that she is not half-draenei, and that if her other half is not human, it is something unknown.HPG 167 The book implies that actual half-draenei show draenei physical traits." Doomhand (talk) 06:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Garona in WotLK?
So now thats shes back are we gonna be expecting her to appear in WotLK in like maybe patch 3.2? i mean in comic #18 it mentions someone being connected to the scourge. Looks like we will have to wait and see.-- Maelstrong 13:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * probably at some point, old heroes can't be kept away from the game unless if that would reveal information about things we shouldn't know. About the scourge infiltration, when u quest on northrends is made clear that every single group but the argent crusade have this problem. the alliance is controlled from inside on the same fashion as onixia was controlling the kingdon and the horde is even worst, they don't even have freedom to talk freely, terrible. about her son (cmon, everyone is talking about it) if he's son of medivh we can expect him t hold the spirit of sargeras or some part of it, that would be a little... troublesome.... Azahel (talk) 10:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Genes
If she really is 1/3 orc, 1/3 draenei, 1/3 human like it says in infobox, it would make her Mongrel(wo)man Noobi666 (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Almost. I don't think draenei are included in the Mongrelman requirements. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 14:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In AD&D (where mongrelmen originated)  they were the result of countless generations of breeding between monsters, not just two  (as was suggested).  I'm not sure how they "work out" in this world  (other than the vague little blurb at the end of an RPG book), but I'm pretty sure it'd take more than an orc-draenei half-breed  (with pure-blooded parents)  bonking a human to make Garona a mongrelwoman.  --Super Bhaal (talk) 17:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Before you start looking at things in pure numbers, fractions, and percentages, i'd suggest reading this discussion; [].Baggins (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

i know, but she is alleged to be haf-human (i personally dont think so) but if it is too true and not retconnected out


 * For all we know, she could be artificially created through demon magic, with, uhm, "parts" of human, orc and draenei (or eredar?) traits. This could also explain why she has no memories of Draenor before the devastation by the orcs/Ner'zhul's portals (meaning her memories of the time before being an 'emissary' to Medivh are faked) or why HUGE WARNING BIG BIG SPOILER Meryl sees a similarity between Med'an's and Aegwynn's faces, meaning Medivh is Garona's "father", not Med'an's. ~ Nathanyel (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Parentage
So you put back all the now-disproved speculation that I'd condensed down... Why, exactly? It's been confirmed - rather explicitly - that she's half-drenei and why people originally thought she was half-human. Having half-human/half-draenei speculation sections at this point is completely unnecessary, not to mention the fact that they repeat many of the same points and are bloated with basically every reference to her genetics ever and then simply say, "oh, except now we know she's THIS." I trimmed it down so that it would convey the past confusion while at the same time removing a lot of the now-unnecessary speculation, and you just reverted it back without even an edit summary. Why? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Speculations are supposed to be in articles to explain things the article can't. If the article can explain her parentage without problems at all, the speculation about her parentage should be removed. It's just pointless.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Benito, I did not remove "all" the sources. I simply removed the citations for the lines I cut out, many of which were simply additional sources for the SAME INFORMATION. We don't really need to point out that two Warcraft games, three manuals, a novel, and God knows how many RPG books all say that she was thought to be half-human. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well you removed The Last Guardian citations of Medivh and Khadgar's near-humans, you removed the page of Lands of Conflict. You also removed the half-human citations but I'll explain it at the forums. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm with Dark T Zeratul, its' pointless to have all those references, when everything is explained at the comic. Just put "Garona believed she was half-human, and so she told to those surrounding her. Later, she discovered Gul'dan had lied her about her parentage, and that she was half-draenei", citing the WoW comic.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Image
The image for Garona is so old - and fruity. There are some pretty awesome pictures of her in the comic, wouldn't it be acceptable to replace the image with something like instead? -whatariot34 10/29/09 11:41 PST


 * This type of image changing it's being discussed here. You can vote and/or voice your opinion there. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 17:27, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

References 1 & 2
The ref tags for the afore-mentioned references appear to be broken. I'm not familiar with the sources that the editor attempted to reference, so I'm seemingly unable to correct these. Parall4x (talk) 04:10, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, it appears the references were lost during some revisions. Thanks for pointing out. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:24, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm
is it possible we'll see her in Cataclysm? Hallowseve15 (talk) 14:02, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Faction
Currently, we list her as a part of the Horde after doing all of the Twilight Highlands quests im still not exactly convinced she joined the Horde and only uses Bloodgulch as a base camp of sorts. If anyone have any quest text or anything at all that could prove her alignment much obliged MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs) 01:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Warlords of Draenor
Be careful, Maraad will find her at one point. It has to be our Garona from our timeline, not with Gul'dan. At Blizzcon, Alex Afrasiabi said that Gul'dan most trustworthy advisers is Cho'gall and Teron'gor. Just to say it now than later. -- Darksora110 (talk) April, 5 2014

Handling of Garona's lineage
Pleas see Talk:Leran.

Cleanup
Rereading the bio, it looks like the info is all present and sorted. What needs to be cleaned and how?

I could, however, see the removal of the novel and comic tags as the sections are made up from comic, chronicle, and in-game books at the same time, so it isn´t exclusive to either. --Mordecay (talk) 20:32, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Linguist age three inconsistency
This is under notes and trivia but I don't understand what it's trying to say:
 * There seems to be an inconsistency given the Chronicle's timeline,
 * Garona would be recognized as a skilled fighter and linguist at the age of 3.
 * Either Maraad was lied to,
 * or it is a mistake in the book.

This is replicated in the Leran article and the World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 2 article.

The phrasing is just confusing to me though...

Specifically what is the timeline contradicting by saying Garona was a skilled linguist and fighter by age three?

What lie was Maraad told? That she was a skilled linguist and fighter at some other age? Two? Four?

Edit: AFAIK this is referring to Leran being kidnapped at -8 and Garona being part of the Shadow Council able to assassinate a chieftain (Zagrel) merely two years later at -6. Not sure where three comes from, Garona doesn't seem to be doing anything significant in the year -5.

I don't think there's an inconsistency here because the very same comic which talks about her competency also clearly says Gul'dan "aged her", something he also teaches the warlocks to do for Blackhand's 3 children and the majority of the Blackrock clan's adolescents over the following years.

As Mediv puts it:
 * Ripening, culling, harvesting? Can you take a seed and pull the youth from it until it becomes a flower?

That of course makes it super creepy (Garona was what, between 12 and 16 months old when she murdered Zagrel?) but not really a contradiction at all. Tycio (talk) 07:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)