Talk:Gilneas (kingdom)

Gilneas Brigade
Recently replaying WarCraft 3 (today), I noticed that in the Orc mission where Thrall needs to secure two zeppelins while Grom, against orders, heedlessly harasses four human bases, the bases are named after the following factions: Kul Tiras Marines, Lordaeron Somethings, Stromgarde Brigade, and Gilneas Brigade.

This is either an accident, as the wall has been erected for much longer than half-way through Reign of Chaos, as I understand, and will be retconned... or something is going on that we don't really know about.

I figure it's the former.

--Wasted 01:46, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Actually as far as the "Gilneas Brigade" goes there is an explanation. When Jaina took the alliances forces and fled to Kalimdor it stands to reason that there was a detachment of Marines (Gilneas is a sailing country as well) from Gilneas that acompanied her. What with the Scourge and the Burning Legion sacking most of northern Eastern Kingdoms it's not a suprise that they would voulenteer to go. -- Karye 03:17 September 13 2006 (PST)


 * Right, but as current lore goes (AFAIK), the Alliance hasn't had contact with Gilneas for years, way before the events of RoC take place. If a bunch of soldiers from Gilneas followed Jaina, it stands to reason Jaina would know what is going on in Gilneas, non? --Pure.Wasted 17:32, 1 October 2006 (EDT)


 * There's no evidence, and thus I believe it should be removed (or given a speculation tag). Saimdusan 06:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Invalid Flight Path
I can personally confirm that a flight location marked "INVALID" showed up in Gilneas recently.--Scrotch 23:21, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

There's a small reference to Gilneas in the quest "A Husband's Revenge." You have to kill a mob named Valdred, who is trying to escape into Gilneas. Horde side quest in Silverpine, end quest of a fairly long chain. This is the only mention to Gilneas that I currently know of anywhere in WoW. - From Starmaster on Draenor.

In Ratchet there's also mention that some of the pirates near there came from Gilneas. There's also signposts in Silverpine Forest that point towards Gilneas. It's pretty heavily mentioned actually for a zone that doesn't actually exist in game yet lol... Troodon 18:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Gilneas - not effected by the Scourge
The Greymane Wall is standing with no damage (unlike Thoradin's Wall) and tightly shut. It is not logical to assume that the Scourge would have simply left the people right outside the wall alone if it had effected Gilneas. Indeed, the theory of Gilneas having been effected by the Scourge does not seem to be supported by any sources. The Horde quest "A Husband's Revenge" description says: "Valdred, once my good friend, was my wife's murderer. Although I am incapable of grieving, I do yearn for revenge. If you kill Valdred and bring me his cursed hands, then I will reward you.

I last heard he was at the Greymane Wall in southern Silverpine, trying to flee into the Kingdom of Gilneas." Regards, --Theron the Just 18:56, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Third War
They were part of the Third War. In the first Orc mission again human, it is said the humans are lead by Jaina, and one of the human factions were Gilneas Brigade. --Voidvector 15:50, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Kingdom or just Nation
I'll make this simple, the page says Kingdom of Gilneas, and the hereditary leader is a lord. I believe the correct name for Gilneas in Nation of Gilneas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Check the Genn Greymane page for your answer. 01:13, 23 January 2007 (EST)

It says "nation of Gilneas", not refering to it's proper name (which would be Nation of Gilneas). Mannerheim


 * So? It also says "Lord Genn Greymane is the leader and king", so calling it a Kingdom is not wrong. :) 00:43, 26 January 2007 (EST)

You cannot have a Lord who is a King, it's one or the other!--Mannerheim 05:31, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Ok, I maybe be a couple years late in responding to this, but I am also suprised no one else has set this straight: It is possible for king and queens to hold other titles, for example; King George VI and Queen Elizabeth also held the titles of "Duke and Duchess of York." Ok, lets just pick one out of history, shall we? William Feilding was made Earl of Denbigh in 1622, and also held the title of Baron of Newnham Paddox, as well as Viscount. Also the current monarchs of the UK, Prince Phillip is also Duke of Edinburgh, and Queen Elizabeth II also holds the title of Lord of Mann, denoting her role as Lord Proprietor of the Isle of Mann. So yes, one can be a king (or queen) and as well, be a Lord. Considering these facts, I don't see any problem with Genn Greymane being Lord and King, nor is there a problem with Gilneas being a Kingdom and a Nation. Sorry, Mannerheim. End of history lesson. Kasman785 (talk) 06:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think that user has been on here in more than a year. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Like you said, kings can have other titles. For instance, "King Llane - Lord of Azeroth" in Warcraft: Orcs & Humans. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Added to WoW in the future?
Is there any possibility of this being added to WoW at a later date, as it would make for an interesting zone, maybe with the capital of Gilneas being an alliance stronghold against swarms of naga and forsaken and scourge breaking in through the Greymane Wall.Phalanxia 16:31, 27 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Quite possible, yes. There's been absolutely no info about it however. 19:25, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I'd like them to open the zone at some point, but the way things stand I just cant see the alliance jumping to defend Gilneas from swarms of naga after they pretty much denounced the alliance. So I'm not really sure how Blizz would tie it into lore.Oddjob 2:41, 29 Jan 2008 (PST)
 * I think They won't open Gilneas' gate just for fun. The people inside have no reason to open the gates and let anyone in. They live in peace inside (or all of them might be dead). They don't want war against the Forsaken, nor the Scourge and they do not want to hear anything about the Alliance. They'll open the Greymane Wall only if there'll be something wrong inside. --Lordsab (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

It is also possible that Blizzard has stated that Metzen announced that they "forgot" about Gilneas since it hasnt been much in WarCraft Lore I mean it didnt help much in WC2 nor WC3, you cant get into it in WoW.
 * So its pointless, but possible they'll add Kul Tiras and Gilneas in another expansion prolly as well as like Undermine. --Melean 16:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Though by now everyone and their mother knows, Gilneas will be added as a 1-15 zone in the upcoming expansion Cataclysm. It will be the starting zone for the Worgen race and will rejoin the Alliance. Blackhawk003 (talk) 14:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

"Gilneas" must be Common for "Absent"
I decided to scale the Graymane Wall-- or try to-- recently. I hit the invisible wall (I've been running into alot more of those lately... damn you, Blizz. >.<), so I got frustrated and decided to swim around the coastline, trying to see if I could find a way in that way. Turns out that the coastline curves and then ends WAY sooner than the in-game map says it does. I was at 41,42 and the southernmost border of Silverpine (where the Graymane Wall should be) was at 41,40. (I was using MetaMap and its built-in coordinate system, if that means anything.) In any event, I was still swimming right where the map says solid land should be.

I suppose this just re-enforces the fact that Gilneas will be instanced or on another plane, just like the BE and Draenei areas. Satrine 23:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah... I don't mean to sound like an ass but this is old info. Blizz said they forgot about it. Thank you for collecting it though. :)-- 23:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I was just trying to add in the comment about the invisible wall.. >.> That seems to be new.  And the fact that it's THERE at all seems to suggest that they don't want people getting in or out...  Satrine 18:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Forgotten?
It looks to me like Gilneas was forgotten by Blizzard, it really even doesn't seem like they put alot of effort into the current parts of it. I mean, they just reused the model of Thoradin's wall, with crumbles and everything, which make it possible to enter Gilneas, until they put up the Invisible barrier to stop that. I really sucks they forgot Gilneas and Kul Tiras, two of the coolest Kingdoms IMHO --GreymaneOfGilneas 03:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * See the last point on the article, it is already stated. Note that this isn't a forum. 17:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Thanks for the Tip, I'm kinda new to the Wiki :P --GreymaneOfGilneas 01:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * External link at the end of the article returns a 404, page not found. Is there a permalink that could be substituted for it, or should the link just be removed? 10:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, you are correct. Frustrating - it was certainly there originally. Preferably another source could be found, but if not, yes, it should be removed. 12:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Changed the citation to to see if it is possible to come up with a correct citation, or other source that backs up the information. So far results are nil, as most pages end up citing this Wiki as the source for said information. Will remove the line if nothing is updated, or if I fail to find any new information.  22:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

A new PvP Battleground?

 * Hi,I just registred myself,because i wanted to discuse with the other wowwiki member about gilneas.

It may become a giant PvP area in my eyes,and the reason is that both alliance and horde have startet wondering what happened in gilneas,they then both entered the zone and started fighting each other for it,graymane than became enraged and send his troops to attack the two faktions.The target is to get to the graymane hall or whatever building and kill graymane before the opposite faktion,and with this aktion they got kontrol over gilneas.Its just like alterac,but the horde and the alliance are up to kill the same leader. After all,thats just my speculation for that area,otherwise,because of its size,it may become a 10-man instance.--ÐæMønÐ 23:32,20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not likely. Though I do hope blizz finds the time to go back and add the zone (even if it's just to add it). 23:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I am with Coobra. All those refugees outside the wall wanting to get in. Who knows they could be making a secret weapon against the Scourge. LOL Blizzard tear down this wall.   Rolandius (talk) 02:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Word on the street is that as well as serving as a starting zone for the new Worgen race, Gilneas will include a pvp battleground or arena. This is based on some mention from Blizzcon, but with the current torrent of information, someone needs to sift through to find out details. More information will likely appear on the Cataclysm page soon. Blackhawk003 (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * As it stands from the beta, only the city seems to be the battleground, while Gilneas is accesible by players anyway. There is a quest Horde players are given in Silverpine which makes them be carried by a val'kyr to a Forsaken camp in Gilneas. There, you do some stuff like slaying worgen and members of the 7th Legion.

Gilneas "canal"
I added "After Patch 3.0.2, the loading screen/ship route from Menethil to Theramore crosses Gilneas, probably due to a graphical glitch." I have a screenie (with text added) here.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 19:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, the part where it goes through and done south does not exist if you try to swim around in-game. So it actually is accurate looking at it with an in-game perspective. It is just that on a map it looks like it is going through Gilneas. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ironically enough, it looks from the new images as if there IS a Gilneas canal. Looks like what we have seen in earlier games may have (probably unintentionally) actually giving us insights into what was to come. gadget (talk) 09:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Very, Very, Very Interesting Plans
In this interview (second video, about 3 minutes in), Chris Metzen mentions that Blizzard has some "very, very, very interesting plans for Gilneas. He wouldn't reveal more than that, but he told us to "stay tuned".  Xavius, the Satyr Lord  20:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Map?
Does anyone have a map of Gilneas like this one of the Lost Isles from Blizzcon '09 to add to the Geography section? SandersP (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC):




 * I haven't seen any that resemble a finished in-game map. The best overview of Gilneas I'd say are from this one and this one... Unireal 23:28, 25 August 2009 (CET)


 * There is the small concept map also. Here. Leviathon (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The equivalent of that map It's already in the article. It's me or it seems like the peninsula shall be divided into two region, one for the Worgen starting zone (South West) and the other for the battlegroung (Gilneas City in the center and the Graymane Wall in the North East)? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 10:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This was asked before someone added the map to article, look at the dates. SandersP (talk) 23:07, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Both the Lost Isles and Gilneas maps are temporary maps since the actual maps are not complete so both these maps are only of the starting areas for both races (similar to Northshire Valley, Deathknell and etc.). They did the same thing when the draenei were announced and the map only was of Ammen Vale. [Here you can see] where those areas are for both maps. The Lost Isles map above is only that small island in the south with the rest of the leveling occurring on that big island and the starting area for Gilneas is the southwestern tip of the zone surrounded by mountains. Leviathon (talk) 18:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Size
Does it strike anyone else how preposterously small this zone is? I appears as if the initial 1-6 section is 1/3 of the whole zone, and that is not to remove the capital...and this zone is supposed to ding me up to 15...furthur than any comparable zone of its calibre? I just don't see how unless we have more 'zone' to see (though seeing as we have the whole peninsula i dont really see how). gadget (talk) 04:23, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Um... read the post right above this... 05:00, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Now don't misunderstand me, i am aware that the official map we have is just a piece of the zone. I am also aware that we have extensive zone layout maps simmilar to those for Uldum etc. for this zone, and all show a wrather bulbuous peninnsula, of which the official area that players could test constitutes roughly a third. From these sources, as well as the 'new zones in red' map, we can see that the Gilneas we shall be receiving seems to be tiny, indeed half the size of Silverpine (already a small zone). Thus my worries. gadget (talk) 05:11, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its current size should not held as an absolute to what it will become. Just see how much room they have to work with here.... and thats if they don't put entry portals like they did for the blood elves and draenei for TBC. 05:53, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Concept maps don't give you a very good idea of the actual size of the zone especially when we only have a super small thumbnail of the zone concept map :p The zone seems bigger than your normal 1-10 zones though and looks about the right size for a 1-15 zone. Leviathon (talk) 06:21, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, so i have done a size comparison based on the connection on the top of the layout map to silverpine and i got this. Not as small as i thought, but still seemingly less than would be expected. Result here. gadget (talk) 08:08, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Need to remember that there is no 10-20 zone for Worgen or Goblins since their starting zones are 1-15 so there zones are going to be roughly the size of Eversong, Elwynn and etc. Goblins just will go to Azshara after the Lost Isles and Worgen will go to Silverpine (yea yea Horde zone but it has become quite clear that 10-20 zones are likely contested now considering Darkshore has a Horde camp). Leviathon (talk) 08:11, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

What surprises me most from looking at this image is just how large the Gilneas Noobie 1-6 area is in comparison to those of the undead or blood elves. Hopefully they will use the space for a larger level range in the Noobie area, like 7 or 8. gadget (talk) 08:19, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

From the info people got from the small demo at blizzcon Gilneas will phase 2-3 times, so a small area could be used for alot of levels if each phase has diffrent leveled creatures and quests. Keilden (talk) 09:26, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

By far the most logical answer, and thank goodness you brought it to the table because it explains everything. Indeed, we may effectivly remove level braket from 1 to 6 or 8 from our outline of the zone because it will likely be entirely phased to allow for story development. It also explains the presence of the demo map. It may actually be used for this starting phased area just as we have a special map for Scarlet Enclave while it is in use. This clears my mind significantly, and means we are definitly dealing with larger than nortmal areas in terms of questing material. Thanks again. gadget (talk) 09:57, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

And the Cataclysm itself might change the size of the landmasses and even bring up new islands. Keilden (talk) 10:23, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * What annoys me about this new shpae for Gilneas is that it has nothing to do with all the previous ones we knew. Every single map portraying Gilneas kept the W2 shape, and now we get this thing... Also, where is Kul Tiras going to be now? And what will happen with Baradin Bay, now that Tol Barad will be in the middle of it, and it will have a considerable size?
 * In my opinion, Gilneas should have been something like this: AS IT SHOULD BE MAP (Dunno how to link it properly, so I leave just the link).--Lon-ami (talk) 12:15, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, you'd have to remove all the blank useless space around northwestern Dun Morogh.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:17, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * We already have a concept map for the new Eastern Kingdoms, but it does not truly coincide with Gilneas' map. And Baradin Bay is almost closed ^^
 * 12:39, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

More silmply.... --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 12:47, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * The map with the new zones does not include Tol Barad, will it be instanced?
 * 12:52, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

'Ettin'?
I've noticed that a few edits ago, someone added "Ettin" to the Race list at the top of the page (as the list of races that are found in this area), but I can't find anything concerning this in Warcraft Lore, or anywhere else on the wiki, or on other websites. Can anyone please clarify this for me? Del-phoenix (talk) 05:06, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * From previews, I gather that they are mobs that use the gronn model. For non-Blizzard info that Blizzard my be taking from, see .-- 05:13, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there are a species of giant/ogre/beast creatures that have gone down from the mountains and are eating the cattle. You're ordered to stop one of those creatures.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:09, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Del-phoenix (talk) 15:30, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Phasing?
Somewhere (I think), I read that both Gilneas and the Lost Isles (the new goblin starting zone) would be phased much like the Scarlet Enclave was for the Death Knights. Is this just my imagination or is there some fact to this? Tanooki1432 (talk) 00:48, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the case, though we have no idea yet of many of the details. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:27, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or...
...Does the map of Gilneas by Blizzard not look like a peninsula at all? The concept art does, but the map just looks like a coastal line. -
 * That's not a full zone map, just the starting area. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:53, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

GIF animation
I'd like to know if every one see something static when there is no parameters, because both work very well to me.

07:44, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * The one without does not work for me. 20:31, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * The without one doesn't do anything. Tanooki1432 (talk) 18:46, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Both fine for me. -- 18:49, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do we even need the animation Northem made anymore? It compares the old WoW map to an image that was never scale to start with. In the beta, Gilneas is about as big as it always has been, but rounder.-- 19:19, August 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I never thought it was needed in the first place. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:26, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Don't need Cataclysm to enter?
Since their is a quest in Silverpine Forest that sends the Horde into Gilneas and with the changes the Cataclysm brings occurring for everyone, does that mean that one can enter Gilneas from Silverpine Forest even if they don't own the expansion? --Sairez (talk) 09:10, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but it is still like a new zone such as Outland or Northrend. There is no instance portal-like area like there is for entry into Quel'thalas. However, it is probably not implemented yet, as I'm sure noone in the beta doesn't have the expansion features. :P Epsi-spoon (talk) 09:23, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That version of Gilneas is much like the Ruins of the Scarlet Enclave. (although there are mobs) Anyways, the players will be possibly able to access all the new zones without expansion, but they will be empty via phasing or something like that. Matix22 (talk) 11:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Gilneas will more than likely be accessible without the expansion if it is part of the normal quest flow from Silverpine Forest. Uldum and Twilight Highlands will have phased entrances, but i've no idea how they plan to handle Mount Hjyal or Vashj'ir access. -- 07:35, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline between fall of Gilneas City and Duskhaven events
We have it in the article that the level 1-5 experience takes place 1 year before the player character arrives at Duskhaven. Apparantly in the beta Crowley shouts "Here we flash forward one year into the future and play a video of you turning into a worgen!" as a placeholder before the movie was added. I used to think a sizable period of time had passed as well - Liam grows a beard and long hair... it's implied that you have been "haunting the wilds unchecked", and that you are no longer a "recent infection". However, should a beta placeholder be considered lore over other sources? One year is definetely pushing it - we could even be in the period of WoTLK, when Sylvanas has a lot more on her mind that allying with Alpha Prime and attacking the Greymane Wall (the whole WoW timeline is rather sketchy). The comic states that Greymane orders the capturing of Worgen in "Duskhaven, later", and that the Cataclysm starts earthquakes as the protagonist is being healed of a bullet wound sustained just after the battle in Gilneas City. So... Thoughts? I think 'one year' is a very vague and contradictory thing to state. It is more likely a matter of days (Greymane says that the days blend into each other.Weasel (talk) 02:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * And so I resurrect this 5 year old comment to comment myself. The page isn't exactly consistent on the timeline of events, but neither is the game. The opening narration says "as the Scourge march upon Gilneas". This would seemingly place the opening instance either way back during the Third War (unlikely, since Liam mentions defending Gilneas from the Scourge in past tense, and Arugal is mentioned in past tense as well) or during Wrath of the Lich King. Either way, the Gilneas City part is well before Cataclysm. I'd say one year sounds accurate though (which is about the time between Wrath and Cataclysm). Meganerd18 (talk) 19:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Stub
To be honest, I don't think it's a such a stub anymore, it's a pretty long page... (Luxor (t•c) 14:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC))

Kingdom History Deleted
There was a large amount of information deleted(by Moneygruber) from the article that pertained to Gilneas as a Kingdom, was this information moved to another article? If not should we revert the past few edits? Erthad (talk) 02:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's just been moved to the faction article. [[Image:inv_helmet_44.png|22px]]  (talk contribs) 02:01, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I just wanted to make sure it was still around. Do you think the small overview at the top of this page should be changed so that it is more clear that the page is about the zone rather than the kingdom? Erthad (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * After consulting with an administrator, I've restored the stricken lore. My reasoning can be found on Talk:Gilneas (faction). - Hugo (talk) 06:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Second War involvment
"A token force under the command of Lord Godfrey, at his own insistance, fought the orcs with disasterous results that further damaged Greymane's feelings towards Lordaeron" - is there any source for this? Xporc (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Them sending token force being Godfrey's idea is in Lord of His Pack. IDK about the part about it having disastrous results. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Gilneas' Borders
I lined the two maps up, the uncovered versions, and it does extend into Hillsbrad Fields and Deep Elem mine. Didn't trust my eyes so I used that instead. --Berenal (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Tbh the Chronicle maps are not very accurate. I tried to compare them (not very good imo) and I don't see them inside Gilneas' borders. --Ryon21 (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2018 (UTC)