Talk:Bleeding Hollow clan

Clan colors
Bleeding Hollow was green in Tides of Darkness, but for some reason their colors were changed to orange in Beyond the Dark Portal. There's really nothing to cite.--Austin P 13:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Domain?
It says in the Warcraft II manual that their "Domain" was Ironforge, Khaz Modan. Is this true since I don't see any mention on the Ironforge page or this page? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 10:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. If the manual says it thats enough to include it on the page. But for your own peace of mind Tides of Darkness even makes meantion of it at one point. Page 326. 11:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * So where were the Ironforge dwarves living at the time? I thought only the Wildhammer and hill dwarves mostly had to retreat from the orc invasion. I don't think I ever read about the Ironforge dwarves retreating from Ironforge.    Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25x25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 03:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ironforge was the one mountain dwarf city that didn't fall to the horde. They were under heavy heavy siege and trapped inside. The other dwarves went underground and roamed around in bands, hiding and occassionaly striking at the horde. Others were captured and used as forced labor by the orcs to build their ships. 03:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * While the orcs pushed the dwarves all the way back into the mountains and took over most if not all of Dun Morogh, they never actually breached the gates of Ironforge itself. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok then I am confused. How did the Bleeding Hollow clan live in Ironforge if the dwarves were still in there?    Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25x25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 04:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They weren't actualy inside Ironforge just assaulting it. Notice the mnaual doesn;t say they inhabited the city jsut that it was their "Domain". Where they were stationed. Also keep in mind ironforge is the name of the mountain not just the city. 04:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh okay I thought when they said Domain: Ironforge that they actually said the clan had the rights to have that area and that they were inside the city, which confused me. It makes more sense now that they were just stationed around there.    Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25x25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 05:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Size of the clan
How big was this clan? It was one of the largest and was the bulk of the Horde along with the Blackrock clan. I think that was the only real charectureistic of the Bleeding Hollow, they were with a lot and Kilrogg himself had a lot of children and grand children since he did slay enough to keep his right as chieftain. Gorvar (talk) 18:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * A very big clan indeed, it participated in the First, Second, BtDP and Third wars and many were transformed into fel orcs by Magtheridon. But I think that the number is never said. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing it should've been at least a 1000 maybe more. After all the clan did do a lot of sieges and had enough man/orc power to overrun townships and even Stormwind. Gorvar (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if they numbered over 40,000 in the Second War. Tides of Darkness implied that this clan alone was able to keep the city of Ironforge at siege for months.

WOD Info
How do we know what applies to the alternate universe version, and not our universe version? For example, do we know that our Bleeding Hollow knew how to create Fel Orcs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * I assume you mean dire orcs, not fel orcs; dire orcs were the ones they created through blood magic on Draenor, fel orcs were the ones they were infusing with Magtheridon's blood in Outland. Still, I think it's probably safe to say the Bleeding Hollow knew how to do it in the MU; most of the broader information, at least, is definitely retcon/expansion rather than specific to the AU. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I meant Dire Orcs. I guess we'll just have to make assumptions for a lot of clan lore from WoD? Its interesting to note our Bleeding Hollow never made use of Dire Orcs, unless its retcon territory as you said. We should ask CDev on twitter about the differences. Do you think our Bleeding Hollow lived in a Jungle, I suppose its possible? Copperblast (talk) 23:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, bear in mind, the Lords of War series was our universe's Maraad telling Varian about our universe's orc chieftains, so anything in there - including the Bleeding Hollow being from Tanaan - is therefore a retcon that also applies to the MU. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Right, I suppose they just adapted once the Jungle's died out? On a similar subject, wasn't there a retcon on Kilrogg's age? Copperblast (talk) 23:47, 8 April 2016 (UTC)