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Out-dated information
The vast majority of the information found under Relations on this page cites, which, while it is technically a canonical source, it is a bit out-dated. This was written and published back in early 2004. The TBC was not even announced and there were no Horde Blood Elves. All the points of view offered here are based off of conceptions of the Illidari Blood-Elves (a despicable lot even to their Azerothian kin), which were all we knew at the time. I move we find a more current source that can describe the playable faction. Meneldir Dec 12th 2007


 * A few problems your accusations;

Wowpedia:Lore policy Baggins 19:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 1. Read our policy on Lore, and the fact we do not allow the use of the term, canon.
 * 2. Our policy on perceived contradictions;
 * 2. Monster Guide, 2007, backs up much of what was said in A&HC about racial animosity and distrust between blood elves and Kalimdor Horde races. Other sourcebooks such as Alliance Player's Guide discusses the same issues the Alliance has.
 * 4. A&HC actually represents an official era within Warcraft Lore, as in between The Frozen Throne, and World of Warcraft chronologically. It hasn't "simply been retconned". Some of the distrust felt at that time still lingers in the present.
 * 5. Much of the distrust between blood elves and Kalimdor Horde still appears in the game during quests, and the fact that blood elves start out as only "neutral" to the rest of the Horde. Additionally, from early quests you learn that there are only one set of blood elves, and they still more or less Answer to Kael'Thas through Grand Magister Rommath. Its not until players reach 60 that they personally learn what the player blood elves have become in Outland, and individually turn on the their brethren there. This is however, not the case for majority of blood elves on Azeroth itself (rumor has it that Silvermoon blood elves will be assisting him at the Sunwell).

Also, lest you haven't noticed, this article is not just about "playable blood elves", its about all blood elves, thoses in Outland, those in Silvermoon (& Horde), and those that chose to remain Independent (actually includes those of Outland), but all make up the same race.Baggins 20:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I speak not of contradictions or of retcons or but of the changing of time. The period that A&HC covers did happen, I don't doubt, but things have changed since then.  If this wiki were to have articles considering our own people, it would be unwise to talk about the Cold War still going strong or leaving off with President Clinton's presidency with out continueing.  I concede that you are right about the Kalimdoran horde's relation to the blood elves.  The part that says "The Alliance prefers that blood elves stay neutral" is still most definitely out of date and should be removed as the majority of the Blood Elves are no longer neutral (yes they start out Neutral to all factions except the forsaken, but that only lasts for the first 20 levels, and they are in the process of applying for membership).
 * Now, concerning what you have said about the Illidary BEs and the Silvermoon BE's being the same race, it's true, but they are not the same faction. However as you wisely pointed out, this artical covers the race, not just one faction thereof.  As such, I move that the article be ammended only on this point:  the Silvermoon BE's have no relations to the Naga, as there are no Naga that they are capable of communicating with in-game, and all Naga are killable.  Let it keep saying that the Illidari BE's are friendly with them, but let it represent both.
 * Finally, you mention rumors of Silvermoon BE's assisting at the Sunwell. This does not surprise me, and I would like to learn more.  Would you please tell me where you found this rumor that I might investigate it.?  Meneldir  12 Dec 2007  P.S.  Thankyou for letting me know about the C-word, from now on I'll use the word legitimate.

Again, terms like canon, retcon, "legitimate", "illigitamte should all be avoided. As they are all based on opinion, and go against certain parts of our "NPOV" policy. We tend to just use the term "lore", and keep it at that. We try to avoid terms that have too much of a positive or negative conenation, and fall in the realm of "opinion". Its not so much a problem in a talk page, but should not appear in the articles themselves. Thanks for your time.

As for the "neutrality" that's individuals make names for themselves, and work towards "exalted" with other races, not the race as a whole. The race as a whole is semi-indepedent of the Horde, infact the RPG makes a big deal about there being essentially two Hordes and the Forsaken ones being seperate in Horde Player's Guide which takes place during World of Warcraft era. As for the animosity between the two hordes, that's actually mentioned in Horde Player's Guide, as well. Again, Forsaken let them, but Kalimdor Horde still isn't 100% trusting or accepting of them. You have to understand there is a balance between lore, and gameplay mechanics in the MMO itself. The RPG is a bit more detailed on the issue. As for naga connection to "all blood elves" that's actually mentioned in Monster Guide, but due to game mechanics not seen in the game. Only occasionally will you come across quests that discuss the animosity between the Eastern and Western Horde. Sometimes you only learn about it from the Alliance POV as they sometimes get ahold of evidence, of the races backstabbing their 'allies', after killing particular Forsaken or blood elf characters.

As for the rumors of Sunwell, you'd have to go back to Blizzard forums, and read certain previews for Sunwell plateau at game sites. That's where I had read the material, but I can't hink of specific links. Also, before you toss Illidari around too much, I suggest you read the article, Illidari. There is way to much speculaton on how that term is properly applied, and to which factions under Illidan.Baggins 20:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I just checked, the idea that the majority of the blood elves in Quel'thalas wait around for the promised return of Kael'Thas is actually mentioned in the TBC manual as well.Baggins 21:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Tis true, tis true. In the mean time, might I suggest that in the relations section we add the utter emnity that the BE's (all sides, whether they be horde, Illidari, or Scryer) have managed to earn from the Draenei.  Meneldir

Swords and Bows
Do you think the BEs have the shortbow & scimitar proficiency is because they're either weaker then the High Elves (they have the longbow and longsword proficiency), or just to seperate the two?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  17:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably just to separate; there's no indication in lore that Blood elves are physically weaker than High elves, unless they're suffering from magical withdrawal. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 22:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The Horde must be sick of theire diplomats
(Correct me if I am wrong but) I remember hearing that EVERY SINGLE BLOOD ELF PLAYER is the diplomat for them to join "THE" Horde (The word the should not be used as it implies there are no other hordes.). Wouldn't you think that they are trying a little too hard to get in (especialy since the blood elves have the largest population in a horde). Makes you think that Quelthalas is a massive addition to that horde yet their leaders are whiny bitches THAT DO EVERY THING FOR FUCKING MEMBER SHIP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Point of note, the fact that your player is a diplomat isn't lore, because your player is not official.Baggins 02:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Whats with the shouting? 04:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Dwarven?
ok first of all why(y) does Blood Elves speak dwarven or dwarvish? 03:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

When they were high elves they used to be friends of the Wildhammer dwarves. They also used to be friends of the Alliance.Baggins 03:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Baggins you beat me to it. HOW ACTIVE ARE YOU ANYWAY? (I was just about to answer it in the same manner (which would be the 1st time I was productive.)--The last Alterac 03:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

and did u answer my other question on ur page....nvm 04:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)? 04:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Whats the point if Baggins has already answered it??This isn't some maths video game (where you get asked a question and even if you get it wrong or right (if you get it wrong it corrects you) there is a large chance of it asking the same question next time,)--The last Alterac 07:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Misprint?
Under the picture of the crest, the link to see article was named: Icon of blood. Is it just a misprint or is it the true name of the crest? (Hewbie 15:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC))


 * As far as I know they're the official names, but the crest pages have not yet been updated (or moved). 17:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The artwork is listed as the Icon of Blood on the Sons of the Storm website, so that's the proper name of the crest. Suzaku 23:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Wildstorm comic & blood elves?

 * These traits are likely to be passed down genetically, though it is also possible that some traits may also be passed down from mothers to children while they are in the womb, or even by breast feeding

Huh, how does the wildstorm comic discuss how blood elves pass on their traits? Isn't the blood elf in that story an adult? TFT took place only about 3-4 years before World of Warcraft. If the comic story takes place around the beginning of World of Warcraft, she would have had to have become a blood elf after TFT, while she was still an adult.Baggins 22:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * They be fed with magic since birth, and then they become addicted after the destruction of da Sunwell, mon. Blood Elven culture came after. Durendal 05:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course, that's what I was saying. The person before was implying the blood elf in the comic was a blood elf as a small child. The comic doesn't actually take place more than a few years after TFT, she's already an adult. Thus why I removed that line above.Baggins 18:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The entry actualy is valid, though i'm not gonna add it back myself, you guys can decide wha to do with it. Broll and Valeera get into an arguement abour arcane magic while in the cages in orgrimmar. Later that night Valeera is still seething and comforts herself saying its not her fault, she couldn't help but aquire the addiction, that "as a babe, i drank in magic with my mother's milk. I didn't ask to be dependant on it. And it helped me to survive!" 19:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Weird, there may be some kind of inconsistency going on in the comic and other sources, as far as timing of when she should have been a child and when blood elves should have first appeared, and other age related issues. Not so much wrong with the idea that they had an addiction however. Even high elves had an addiction to magic before Sunwell was destroyed. An addiction that lead to that lead to withdrawl symptoms after destruction of the well.Baggins 09:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * She says her parents were killed by human bandits when she was a kid, and she did just fine since ("...even survived the scourge"), if she's an adult, her parents may have been killled sometime before the Second War, and seeing as the new number includes the battle of Warsong Gulch, the comic storyline is developed in about 2-3 years after TFT, with newly formed Blood Elves, before they were part of the horde...Durendal 15:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Throwing Axe?
Why do BE rogues start ou with throwing axes? I mean BEs are always seen with like daggers if they have a meele weapon it seems.  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  18:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * And thats not even the most annoying thing...they start Paladins Blood Knights with a two-handed sword...and then the very first weapon reward you receive offers no two-handed sword >< 20:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Traditionally (Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne) Blood Knights are a sword and shield class.-- Sir Tristram (Speak, mortal. My Conquests.) 18:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Saved
Do you think the blood elves could be saved by sucking divine magic?TharamaDawnblade 12:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This is not a forum. Please direct questions directly to specific users or else to an analysis subpage. Wiki discussion pages are for discussing editorial changes to the article itself.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 16:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Splitting it into Blood elves(Playable)
Theres tons of differences between Silvermoon Blood elves, Scryer Blood elves, and Kael's blood elves. Anyone else think that this should be split? Zarnks 07:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, while they have their differences, all of the above are still Blood Elves and identify themselves as such. Should remain one page for the race as a whole.


 * However its funny you bring this up now. the same type of thing occoured to me earlier. That someone reading this page who doesnt know much about Blood Elves might be a bit confusion and not understand about the fracturing of the race's unity. I think the article could do a much better job at explaining each seperate "faction" and their points of views and allegiances, as to not accidently villinize or glorify any particular group by sharing of the name. Most of the information is already in the article, just not easily understood with a quick scan through. Should be more distinct and "obvious" imo. A highly objective, neutral point of view and writing style would be a must however.


 * All are Blood Elves however, and while a (Playable) article may be appropriate for the humans, trolls, etc... as their playable factions are very distinct (humans of stormwind, and trolls of the darkspear) no such black and white line exists for the Blood Elves (Silvermoon or Quel'thalas blood elves arent a distinct political body). Scryers are, but they don't unbecome Blood Elves when becoming Scryers and their orginization already has a page. And while a blood elf may be loyal to Kael'thas it is still a Blood Elf. And sections for the distinct variations and offshoots (Wretched, Felblood, etc...) already exist, just like a page for fel orcs. Though they are still orcs just like the others are still blood elves. 07:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. The Blood elves of Quel'thalas became even more distinct in 2.4 in which they openly declare war on Kael'thas and his followers. The relationships section while it fits the Outland blood elves like a glove doesn't work for the blood elves of Quel'thalas. For one they have no possitive interactions with naga. They give a lot of thought to the Horde and Alliance. The Horde and even some members of the Alliance treat them with respect. Zarnks 07:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * While they openly decalre war they still have no distinct name, they are blood elves fighting against their blood elf brethren. Scryers too. All fall primarily under the title Blood Elf. The article is about Blood Elves as a whole. While discint groups such as the scryers (a tangible ingame faction), the wretched, felbloods (physical mutations/offshoots), etc...merit their own pages, the blood elves of silvermoon and those loyal to Kael'thas are all Blood Elves. Maybe if later they are given a bit more distinction (Lorthemar makes a formal declaration, denounciaton, etc...), right now the players are fighting Kael'thas not nessesarly silvermoons armies (only the Blood knights have denounced Kael) and we don't see Tyrande, Thrall, or Magni sending combatants but rather the Shattered Sun offensive. If something like that happened then should the articles be split but the majority of this article (society, addiction, etc...) is equaly applicable to all blood elves. Again the article could definetly do a better job of seperating a few of the differing aspects (relationship with the naga for one) but theres really no justification for the article to be split into two. It would be like creating two sepeate articles for the citizens of Theramoore (pro-Jaina and pro-Daelin) or for the disenters in the Cenarion Cirlce (Remulos' camp and Fandral's). The conflict should be explained within the article the encompasses all. 08:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd have to agree with Warthok, simply think of it as a civil war...its brother against brother, but they are the same people. Only thing different is how they think/react to the situation. 17:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Like the differences between high elf and blood elf, Coobra?. Technically High Elves and Blood Elves are one and the same, the same species in every way. The differences are in allegiance, attitude, opinion, and approach to the arcane. I wold dare say that its becoming clear by now as its pretty much always been that theres a fairly wide difference in the above points between Quel'Thalassians and Felbloods/Sunfury. I've always found it odd there was never an article for Kael'Thas's faction. I guess it could have been halfway justified before the Azerothian Belfs knew about Kael's fall and split officially but yeah. At this point I think theres more difference between Thalassians and Outlanders, especially considering the felbloods, then there is between Belfs and Helfs.

My 2 cents. --Nurizeko 21:44 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Except, because of the way the blood elves abuse the arcane energy, they themselves have changed...slowly working themselves towards being the wretched. So, yes, they were once the same. Key word 'were'. 22:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * With the excpetion of the Felblood (who have their page), Blood Elves of all factions more closely resemble other Blood Elves than any group of them resemble the High Elves. 04:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The only difference between belfs and helfs is an eye glow, the only physological difference at all. Were not talking about proper racial distinctions here because biologically there really isn't any. What were discussing is why Kael'Thas' Blood Elves don't have their own faction page like the High Elves. I really don't see a reason why not, I mean, as things go, the Outland belfs far exceed all High Elf presence in WoW yet the helfs have a whole racial page while the outlanders have nary an article. The elves under Kael'Thas are a potent faction in the lore, both in WoW and otherwise.


 * I'm sticking with the opinion Kael's elves need an article. Its unfortunate Blizzard have never really stuck them with their own unique cover all faction name, nether the less, the faction does exist in the lore. --Nurizeko 18:25 21 Febuary 2008 (UTC)

Actually Coobra Silvermoon's blood elves don't abuse magic and control their magic addiction. Thats what seperates them from wretcheds and felboods. Can't we just create a Silvermoon blood elf page? We have a Stormwind human page so I don't see what the problem is. Zarnks 19:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * High Elves are trying to abandon or supress their addiction, not every last one but as a race thats the direction they are trying to move. Silvermoon Blood Elves, while they now despise their prince, have not given any indication of wanting to abandon arcane magic. rather they still want to control it. They have no intention of going as far as kael'thas and felblood, but they are still a magic addicted using race. They enjoy magic, it makes life easier, it makes them strong, formidible, etc... and even with the betrayal of kael'thas they continue to openly and blatantly use arcane magic. 20:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the situation is different, if for no other reason than there are more humans and human factions than blood elves and blood elf factions- Stormwind humans might not be mainstream humans (or they could be, I'm fuzzy on that side of lore). Baggins would be the person to discuss this with, as he spearheaded the playable races splits. Of course, the Scryers already have their own page, and this page is essentially on the playable faction, so the only issue is: is there enough unique lore to warrant the separate of the playable and main article? Personally, I think not.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 20:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It would make sense though to clarify in areas of the article on what blood elves some of the things apply to. Such as clarifying that only Kael's elves are in good relations with the Naga as both the Silvermoon and Scryer blood elves have no good relations with the Naga. Basically the relationships part needs edited in my opinion to at least reflect the current player blood elves more rather than Kael's blood elves so much with so much else on their relationships with other races that were written in a book that came out in 2004. A lot has changed game-wise and lore wise since 2004 (such as them being on the horde now which has changed their relationships quite a bit) and that entire area of the article is just quote after quote of that book with nothing it seems from WoW and should have some of it trimmed out. Leviathon 07:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed Leviathon. 08:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I concur. --Nurizeko 21:18 25 Febuary 2008 (UTC)

Funny, this conversation (at least the end of it) looks very similar to one I had with Baggins earlier, only it played out a little different. Look up at out-dated info. Meneldir 16:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well things are starting to officially change now with 2.4 at least with the blood elves. Course even back in December 2007 when you suggested that it made perfect sense to edit the page then as of all the races the blood elf page is pretty bad with the quote and quote of the RPG books which while nice are outdated compared to recent changes that the books were written before. But it would be best just to do one are at a time and the relations area definitely needs cleaned up. Course just like before its up to whether Baggins agrees with changing things since he seems to be the race guy. Leviathon 17:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Splitting it into Blood elves and Silvermoon Blood Elves
well, its kinda done already (blood elves playable) but i guess it could be rephrased as silvermoon blood elves and also add the info of kael's betrayal in tempest keep and sunwell plateau, i've read both articles and i find a lack of clarification, maeby im wrong, but i think that it should look like the human and stormwind human page, as in that theres a bunch of belf factions to different one to the other. what do yo think?--Beloren (talk) 01:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

2.4
Given the conversation above, will this particular page be doing anything to cover the changes coming in 2.4? It wouldn't happen until the patch is actually released, i'd assume, but will anything be happening at all? Meneldir 16:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Proper way would be to place a new section after the old, with the WoW or wow section template designating updates in the game's storyline. The older lore is an official part of the history developing up to where the blood elves are now. But new stuff hasn't exactly occured in the published world yet.Baggins (talk) 01:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Priest
Not in these exact words, but in the Blood Knight article it says that the Blood Elf race has begun to lose it's light given powers. Do the priests use the Blood Knight's tapped power too? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

No the High Elves Always had priests. In warcraft 3 forexample, priests were high elves. Their powers came from them not the Bloody Knights.--Gurluas (talk) 12:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Relationship
First, lets refer to Blood Elves, as Blood Elves instead of simply Elves. Also since when did the Blood Elves have the support of the Amani trolls which are their enemies?--Gurluas (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It says Forest trolls, not Amani. 18:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There are alot of forest trolls who are not Amani. Revantusk as a point...Baggins (talk) 18:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Alignment
This article currently has two subsections titled Alignment. One is rather short, the other marked with. I might look into this shortly, but invite others to do so as well. - LastStand (talk) 10:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

"Doubtful Claim" = Speculation?
"The blood elves therefore set about learning to drain magic from alternative sources.(A highly doubtful claim, considering Kael'thas was told that by Lady Vashj, who at the time was sent by Illidan to recruit the blood elves.) "

The part in parenthesis should be deleted or moved to a speculation section. It is at least partially true that arcane withdrawal was fatal. The oldest and most vulnerable of the high elves/blood elves died shortly after the destruction of the Sunwell, probably due to the strain of the withdrawal and mental burden of the addiction. Also, it was Kael'thas who assumed the addiction was fatal, and nowhere during Kael's and Vashj's encounters did she actually claim it was deadly. Granted Vashj may have lied by omission, but neither she nor Illidan directly deceived the young prince. Also, Vashj was not sent to "recruit" the blood elves. If memory serves, she introduced the blood elves to Illidan, saying that they too were the children of the Highborne. Horderoyale (talk) 05:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your initial idea was correct. Anything other than deleteion would be too good for the propaganda posted. If you see something like that feel free to revert it and ask for citations (a source specificly stating such a claim). 08:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Dislike of Hunters?
If this was in the article, I didn't see it. Sorry about that, in advance. Anyway, it seems to me that Blood Elves seem to dislike hunters, despite both elven races being decent hunters. One, has anyone noticed this, and two, is there any reason for this dislike? Safyria (talk) 02:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think in the case the line between blood elves and blood knights got a little blurred. The blood knights certainly disdain the Farstriders, who are ostensibly "hunters." In regards to the broader blood elf population, the Farstriders are seen as honourable defenders of the realm. What source states that blood elves dislike hunters? Strength and Honour, Horderoyale (talk) 02:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * All you need to do to see my source is ask one of the guards in SilverMoon where the Hunter trainer is, and you'll see my point. Safyria (talk) 03:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, thought so. The Silvermoon City Guardians are subservient to the blood knights and as such share their views on the Farstriders (essentially "hunters" of blood elf society). They kneel before and praise Champion Vranesh, in addition to kneeling before any blood knight thats uses /eye on them. Their opinions are those of the blood knight order and are not a solid assessment of the blood elven majority. Strength and Honour, Horderoyale (talk) 07:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Use of Case
The header for this talk page (and the policy discussion it links to) indicates that agreed spelling is lower case (with the exception of sentence capitalization of course). The.bandit23 edited the physical appearance section to match the rest of the article. Admirable, except that given the policy, it is the rest of the article that should be changed instead. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The only problem I have with this policy is that if you look in any grammar book whatsoever, it will state that the name of a race is to be capitalized.  The.bandit23 (talk) 20:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC) the.bandit23, June 16, 2009.
 * If by "race" you mean species (as is really the case in WoW), then...no. I don't call a bear a Bear.  In any case, community guidelines > grammatical rules as far as race capitalization best practices on WoWWiki. -- 20:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with this is that we don't classify things like in real life The.bandid23, if Blizzard use blood elves as lower case then we should do the same. Look at the encyclopedia and look that the race is not capitalized (except in the title). Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

This discussion was started here, but it was continued in Forum:Race capitalization, comment there if you wish to continue.

Alignment
I think the guy who just edited the page(Nathtaleth- 13/6/2010) made a huge mistake,the blood elves are like the opposite of the Nazi's and not the Nazi's... They are more like Jews,and the Scourge are more of the Nazi's...(Look up on the web and learn about Jewish History and Culture to understand me better) Although,we might see this situation from a different perspective,Me from the view of a Jew who doesn't deny the holocaust,and he from the view of a guy who have no clue about the holocaust(he might have a clue but i guess from his words that he doesn't)...
 * New comments go on bottom of the page and please sign your posts. The last edit was wikification, It didn't even touch that paragraph. I think you need to familarize yourself more with wikis. Also it appears you misread and/or completely minunderstood what the passage was saying (from where did you pull out holocaust denial?). Regardless however the passage is irrelevant and has been removed. 09:41, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Blood Elf colonies in Outland.
In 20 warcraft years does anybody think the Blood Elves will have established Colonies in Outland that are friendly to the Horde. Because I remember on World of Warcraft site reading a article where blood elf pilgrims are making their way to Outland. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 04:45, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Falcon Watch? 04:50, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Falcon Watch is a Horde-blood elf settlement which I already know but thanks for pointing that out. I was wondering if in the future if the Blood Elves would expand beyond falcon watch and build new settlement in Outland. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 04:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * If Blizz brings Outland into the present it's a possibility, but since they have no plans to update Outland, I doubt it will happen. 05:17, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

I got the impression the pilgrims made their way to Outland in order to reunite with Kael'thas in Tempest Keep. With their king having made the rather odd decision of allying himself with Kil'jaeden's legion, the motivation of pilgrimaging to Outland disappears. With the Scourge destroyed, the blood elves will probably focus on restoring Eversong Woods and Ghostlands to it's former glory.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 21:03, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Physical Appearance
I've noticed that the page says that Blood Elves are paler than High Elves, and visually this is untrue, Blood Elves are tanner and this could be explained by the loss of the Sunwell keeping them looking "youthful".-- Sir Tristram (Speak, mortal. My Conquests.) 10:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

quel thalas new hier
Who think that Kael'thas Sunstrider should have a young son who inhiertied his powers in his model is like a 9 year old but he has strong magic and has demon aura, that Kil'jaeden wants to make him his apprentice but then when he grow s up has an epic battle with him


 * This isn't a forum. Besides we're still trying to get love for the lord of Quel'thalas. [[Image:inv_helmet_44.png|22px]]  (talk contribs) 19:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Image gallery section
Just a general suggestion, but perhaps this page (and the other race pages) would benefit from a gallery just under or above the reference section, depicting various official art that, while relevant and showcasing different facets, classes and characters of the race in question, just don't really fit into the main article due to space or other constrictions. I think it could be a nice frame of reference, too, if the art was handpicked nicely.

Still. Figure I'd run the idea by here for some opinions. Grissom (talk) 15:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Population of high elves that became blood elf.
No where in Blizzard Literature does it say 90%.

It does say 85% of the Blood Elves, but it does not say of the Surviving High Elves 90% became Blood Elves. When you look at in game NPCs, you will find out side of Quel'Thalas about 50% of the High Elf NPCs have Blood Eyes and are Alliance Faction.


 * Actually, Blizzard Literature says: "Prince Kael'thas returned home and rallied all the survivors he could find: approximately 90% of the surviving high elves. He declared that these survivors would now bear a new name--the blood elves--in honor of their fallen people. The blood elves no longer consider themselves high elves, and they have different priorities and behaviors than their high elf kindred."--Cemotucu (talk) 22:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Blood elf height
Whomever wrote that WoD strategy guide needs to really double-check what they write. Blood elves are not 7 feet tall, they are 6 feet tall. Plus, BradyGames is in no way related to Blizzard, and should thus not be considered canon lore. Which makes the random claim of blood elves being 7 feet tall, very much invalid and unlikely.

They have the license to publish the strategy guides, which are meant to be based on existing lore, not change or alter it in any way. This was either a typo, or someone needs to get their eyes checked.


 * I don't think that BradyGames guides have been stated to be non-canon, and both, WoD and the basic guide have blood elves 7 - 7,5 feet tall on the picture. The text later in the book says 5-6 tho. --Mordecay (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I refuse to believe that blood elves are 7ft tall in any special case. In game they are nearly the size of humans. Humans are definitely not 7ft tall. You could argue that in game models aren't canon, but it's a better point of reference than a non-canon unofficial guide. BradyGames is not Blizzard and their source should not be cited for something such as height. It's a strategy guide, not a canon lore book. - Hatimoon (talk) 23:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Having known people who worked with BradyGames, I can assure you that their guides are written with very little input from the game companies and a decent amount of editorializing from the guide writers. It definitely should not be used as a source. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Proof of the percantage of the High Elven population slain
"The Scourge slew more than 90% of the high elven population" Shold there be a citation? There only is one link (and that's after the second mention of the figure, just ctrl+F "%"), and it leads to Blizzard lore posts, neither of which mentions the percentage. There is a video from BlizzCon 2005, however, with Chris Metzen talking precisely about it... May it be used for the cause?--Adûnâi (talk) 13:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)