Talk:World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor

Speculation on the Release Date. Looking at http://wowpedia.org/PvP_season - the last two expansions have had 37-38 week PvP seasons before the new expansion. The shortest seasons have been around 22 weeks, and it is unlikely Blizzard would make the upcoming season shorter than that. That puts the EARLIEST release date for Warlords of Draenor around 20th of July, and a likely release date around 1st September (based on last two expansions). Realistically, since they have said so many times lately that they want to speed up development, we might see a release in early August.
 * Frankly, I don't really know how good this is as an indicator of release date, since Blizzard isn't going to delay the release just because the PvP season hasn't lasted long enough. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Betas tend to last what 6 months give or take a few weeks... when beta is live then we'll have an idea of when the game will be released. 06:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As the latest edit I have done to this article, I added a video called 39 Facts About Warlords of Draenor, and one of those facts stated that the release of Warlords of Draenor will be on or before December 20th, 2014 also it's been said by the officials that it'll be in the fall of 2014. 21:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Characters
What was the rationale for the merging of characters of WoD continuity and original continuity? It was working just fine, especially how with War Crimes a split article was able to show the divergent histories of Grom in a chronological sense.Hawki (talk) 04:36, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Wanted to ask this too. Infoboxes are now little bit undue, aren't they?--Mordecay (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * One guy did it. I'll undo it.-- 20:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Good to have them back. BTW, something I was wondering about, would it be practical to fill in character bios up to the "point of divergence?" For instance, take the new Velen page. Taking a leaf from Memory Alpha how it treats continuity for the new films (everything assumed to be the same until the point of divergence in the first film, so info taken from the TV series is valid provided it occurs before said point), then would it be practical to cover his backstory up to the point of Garrosh's arrival in War Crimes? In his case, flight from Argus, meeting Durotan and Orgrim as children, initial scuffles with the Horde, etc. AIRC there's some debate as to whether in WoD the timeline was altered even before Garrosh showed up, but might be something to consider, if it hasn't already.--Hawki (talk) 22:15, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that everything was identical right up until Garrosh showed up. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless we have evidence of another alteration to the timeline, we should assume everything was identical prior to that point. Regarding the pages, I'm not sure whether we want to duplicate all the pre-WoD info - on the one hand it would be simpler to have it all on the one page, but on the other that will mean that further updates (such as additional backstory revealed during WoD) would need to be added to both pages, which would likely end up with wasted edits/missing pieces. The alternative would be to direct readers to the original page for the earlier history, which would be great wiki-wise but I suppose not that clear in terms of when exactly the split occurred. -- Taohinton (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * With Fenris Wolfbrother having been revealed to be a sibling of Durotan via WoD, and both characters having WoD articles, duplication has pretty much occurred anyway. In principle at least, other articles might as well follow suit up to the point of divergence.--Hawki (talk) 08:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Documenting beta developments
Regarding the linked Warlords of Draenor beta (silly) article - see here, and hopefully join me in building the article. -- Taohinton (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Updating articles from the old timeline
As shown in the new short story, the new Draenor is from a completely alternate timeline that wasn't exactly identical to ours before Garrosh came there. Therefore, I would recommend not updating the articles about Outland and the main timeline Draenor with information gathered from the alternate timeline Draenor, as they may not be the equal to the main timeline. Doing otherwise could lead to a possible misinformation. This applies to Velen, Akama, Durotan, and others. Please remove information known only from the alternate Draenor, only when explicitly stated is are also true for the main timeline. Thanks. IllidanS4 (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Lorewise and narratively, they are intended to be more-or-less identical, with very few differences ("blades of grass"). The entire Lords of War series is explicitly about Timeline A, but it is being treated as backstory for Timeline B characters by Blizzard. IMO, history and familial relations from Timeline B should be counted towards Timeline A and vice versa unless a clear departure is noted. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Most things are the same, it's only minor details like Rulkan that differ. In addition to the backstory from Lords of War, there's also the zones (numerous references are made from Timeline A characters, like Thrall saying he's heard stories of Frostfire Ridge), government (Maraad knows what the Exarch Council is), and so on. And then there are characters like Ga'nar, who the UVG mentioned in an MU context before WoD was even announced. ReignTG (talk) 23:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It is arguable whether some obvious differences are just minor details. Garrosh not being born in the alternate timeline doesn't seem like a detail to me (it was also the concern of many people). Of course, Lords of War and mentions of zones and events before WoD should be treated as explicit evidence. I am just concerned about making speculations about equality of events in the two timelines. Anyway, if you intend on updating the old articles, at least, please, add a reference to the WoD article. IllidanS4 (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree that despite the quote, differences such as Garrosh never being born are far more substantial than a few "blades of grass". The reality as we all know is that Blizzard are not utterly attentive to slight inconsistencies, nor primarily in the business of providing precise and incontrovertible explanations for every last detail of their storylines - especially months in advance of even the first piece of the content actually being released. I think they're doing what most game companies would do and creating a rough setting, which in almost all ways is identical to the previous Draenor, but which for certain necessary reasons (not having to kill Garrosh for a *third* time) is conveniently slightly different. Convenience-wise, yes the rest is probably pretty damn similar, and I think that's Blizzard's approach. However, from an "imagine if this were actually real and not just a rough-hewn idea" perspective, there will be myriad differences, like the deaths and non-deaths of various characters, not to mention resulting changes to the behaviour of key characters like Grommash.
 * Regarding our practical approach, we ultimately don't have all the details about anything, never mind everything, and WoD will provide a wealth of knowledge on these subjects. Ultimately the information should be segregated, since there is in theory a fundamental schism between the two realities. Practically speaking, chances are Blizzard haven't even promulgated many differences between the two timelines besides the key ones we'll either have announced to us or will notice in our lore-delving. -- Taohinton (talk) 19:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)