User talk:Dark T Zeratul


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Arsenal appearances
Should we be putting the appearances unlocked by arsenals, that are not "actually" obtainable as items under the unobtainable category? As an example the appearance for the Ardent Hammer is unlocked by the Arsenal: Armaments of the Silver Hand, but the hammer itself is, to my knowledge, not obtainable. PeterWind (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright. PeterWind (talk) 10:03, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Braelyn Firehand
I don't really understand where you were going, back then. Of course we maintain pictures of their old models for various characters, that's why for Anduin Wrynn we have like 4/5 different pictures of his successive appearances :o Xporc (talk) 20:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When the model changes substantially, sure. But we've never preserved pre-WoD models as separate images. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well she uses a different staff and has a different collar... Xporc (talk) 21:04, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Coins of Air
Hey. Could you add Coins of Air to the Template:Cost? Currently, "ca" is used for Epicurean's Award from back when they were called Chef's Award I imagine. Even if it would be "best" to move those around a bit, it'll certainly be easier to just use another combination for these coins such as "coa" even if "ca" is closer to the "standard". PeterWind (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell "ca" had been totally deprecated and was no longer in use anywhere, so I repurposed it. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ahh alright. Thanks! PeterWind (talk) 20:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh almost forgot. For the Trial of Style event, both a currency and an item has been added. I hear that it's the currency that actually ended up being used, but I haven't confirmed this myself. I'm not sure if we should have that one added to the template just yet. I'll add it on the relevant ensemble pages, and just change it later if it turns out it was the item that was used after all. PeterWind (talk) 21:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll link the template to the currency, but personally I think we should probably just merge the pages together once the event goes live and we can see what's what. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me :) PeterWind (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thought "coa" was more intuitive myself, but I guess was the only one. I'll have to keep in mind to not add the "o" when dealing with Coins of Air. -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 22:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Small words like "of" or "the" had been dropped from abbreviations in other currencies in that template. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 22:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Image Quality
I am taking screen shots from game, locating them in screenshot directory, cropping edges and resaving. Have been doing so for years and uploading them here. I will examine settings in software. Ariule (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Your previous screenshots have all been fine that I can recall; these ones are heavily dithered. Presumably there was an unintended settings change somewhere if you're not intentionally doing anything differently. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The image software was set to 8-bit from Auto. My thanks for noticing and advising me of the issue.  Ariule (talk) 18:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * They're fine now. Thank you! Xporc (talk) 18:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Argus currencies
Hey! Patch 7.3.0 brings with it, two new currencies from what I've seen. Veiled Argunite and Argus Waystone. It might be too early to add them, as Unsullied Argunite has already been scrapped in favor of the veiled ones however. PeterWind (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's safe to add Veiled Argunite and Argus Waystone to the Legion section of Template:Cost now. Turns out the Trial of Style token currency was scrapped in favor of the item version. I'll move the item to "Trial of Style Token" and the currency to "Trial of Style Token (currency)". To my knowledge. the Shadowy Coins never had a known purpose either. though I could be mistaken on that one. PeterWind (talk) 06:35, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The Trial of Style item is now at Trial of Style Token and the currency at Trial of Style Token (currency). I think the only places needing update in that regard is the Cost template and its documentation now. PeterWind (talk) 06:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at it. I don't really mind about the currency being a redirect, although it is a different trackable currency. I did not personally test the event on the PTR so I can't say whether it was available or not, only that they did indeed end up with using the item. The API GetCurrencyInfo page does link to the currency, but in this case I am for once actually fine either way. PeterWind (talk) 17:23, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Mole Machine Console
As I'm making updates to Brewfest content articles, I came across Mole Machine Console. The thumbnails seem broken, thought it'd be best to report it to an administrator instead of tampering with it. The two images on the page are File:Mole Machine Console.jpg and File:Mole Machine Console open.jpg 22:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * They're showing up fine for me. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:49, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Odd. Well, I modified the page and fixed it for me. They gave me an error as such:  Well, cheers!  23:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I saw this and wanted to pop in and say this error has been fixed and you shouldn't be encountering it anymore. Sorry about that! -- 23:40, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Brewfest items
The recently moving of the items and now having the tabs for each of the levels on the articles I must say is a lot better than before. Nice job! 00:02, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I went to check Ahune's stuff and remembered it had been set up that way, so I went back to apply it to the other holidays. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Blasted Lands buffs
Hey Zeratul, I saw that you edited the Lung Juice Cocktail patch notes to have been removed in 4.0.3a, the page itself before and other blasted lands buff pages, mentions them being removed in 4.0.1, I'm assuming that it is a mistake by a previous editor? (Junkerd (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC))
 * I'm fairly certain they would have been removed in 4.0.3a, which is when the zone was revamped and the old quests were deprecated. A lot of stuff removed (or added) in 4.0.3a has been incorrectly flagged under 4.0.1, which was really just the Cataclysm system changes and pre-expansion content. If you find something that more definitively indicates they were actually removed in 4.0.1, though, then by all means change it back. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't doubting your edit, just wanted to know what you thought about it. I've now tried to look up all the related quests and item rewards that you'd gain from completing the quests on an archived version Wowhead going back to between Patch 4.0.1-4.0.3a, sadly with no results. Before your small battle with Xporc on the Lung Juice Cocktail page, the page itself had said 4.0.1=remove to begin with, but one of the two quests where you get it, says it got removed in 4.0.3a and since Bloodmage Drazial first got moved to his new location in 4.0.3a, I think it's safe to say that his quests and related items got removed in Patch 4.0.3a instead of Patch 4.0.1. (Junkerd (talk) 01:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC))

Artifact appearances
How where you able to get all those nice clean shots of the artifacts? Is there a way to stop them from spinning or were you just very patience so they all end up in the same position each screen capture? 22:55, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Patience. I'll usually do all four color variants for one appearance in rapid succession, then wait for it to revolve around and do the next one. Then I use Irfanview to batch crop all the screenshots at the same point. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I tried that, but when I checked my image folder it would only get 3 out of the 4 captures. Its weird. I figured patience was key. Ugh lol. 23:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had that happen from time to time, too. It's a bit annoying. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Models
Yo, I noticed yesterday and just now that u are adding wrong patch number for model updates. Ghouls and abominations were updated in 7.2. not 7.3, according to the undocumented changes page. So which is wrong, u or the page? :P --Mordecay (talk) 23:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Whoops, my fault. Thanks for catching that. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Blabla non sense
Still just nonsense. Shouldn't just be left there. If one must just comment a shrugs and not actually give an answer shouldn't even bother to just comment in the first place. 21:12, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Elite
They lost the elite status in vanilla or tbc not in cata. Don't know the patch number so I put in the notes section. --Mordecay (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, that was not clear. Going by similar mobs I saw, though, that would presumably have been 2.3. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This. Patch 2.3. Xporc (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Hired Mechanic
Reason for deleting the gnome pics? The page is currently about two "different" NPCs with the same name, location and role (hence the Elinks-NPCsearch) - the goblin version that appears only for Horde and the gnome that only appears to Alliance. Because of this, I think the gnome pic should be there too. --Mordecay (talk) 10:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That was unclear; if that's the case, better to split it into two NPC pages. There's definitely no need to include both male and female pics, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 11:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Similar case is with Traveling Adventurer, Sleeping Patron, and Passed Out Patron. They have the same name & role, but different races (factions) and locations. I asked if the first one should be split, xporc said no so I created the rest in the same way. So, again, split yay or nay?
 * I kinda disagree on the male and female pics tho, I think it doesn't hurt to be in pages when both genders are available for an NPC. --Mordecay (talk) 11:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictures & NPCs
Hey, please, don't remove the cleanup tags in pictures of old (due to boxes or names or whatever). The internet, or specifically Wowhead may sometimes have nicer pictures, and sometimes even without watermarks, so it is still possible to replace them. Then Classic will be around at some point in the future and it will be possible to replace them. Decent free servers still exist and it is still possible to take screenshots.

Also, could you hold off the War of the Thorns NPCs? I'd like to create them myself. Thanks. --Mordecay (talk) 11:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It may be possible to obtain better quality versions of old images, but we're never going to get pictures of them with their updated models and that's what those cleanup tags were being added for.
 * I'll let you handle the rest of the War of the Thorns stuff if you prefer. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, the Taelan one was ok since he is still in Old Hillsbrad, but I did an edit to the Old Blanchy page to reflect what you (hopefully?) stated.
 * Just the NPC & mob stuff :-) --Mordecay (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you doing Horde and Alliance mobs and NPCs? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Fo sho! --Mordecay (talk) 18:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Dragons
Hey, since you are now here, the locations of the dragons are now locked and the old pictures we now have in the new pages may not reflect the current locations. May I upload them under a new name? --Mordecay (talk) 23:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see a particular need to do so, but I also don't see a particular reason not to. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello. 23:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Cost template update
Hey, can you update Template:Cost with the two new pvp currenciees 7th Legion Service Medal and Honorbound Service Medal? I will be going with hsb for the Horde one on the page for Provisioner Mukra and 7lsm on the page for Provisioner Stoutforge. If you choose a different acroym, that's fine too, just let me know on slack. PeterWind (talk) 09:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

War Campaign
Heya, few heads up about the war campaign.

The quests of Island Expedition & Uniting Zandalar, are categorized as Horde War Campaign, both in the game and in databases. When you are on them, you see the Horde symbol under minimap, denoting its War Campaign status. When you open quest log, which is the most important source for this page, you see the the category there. When you read the text of the quest, the background is different, also denoting its War Campaign category. Last but not least, they are under the Horde War Campaign category in the Wowhead and Wowdb databases. The most important thing regarding this are the descriptions; those descriptions show up only with the War Campaign quests in the quest log.

Plus, reading the Wowhead war campaign guide, it looks like the Island Expedition quests are also required to be completed in order for the third outpost questline to be made available.

Regarding the header names, each War Campaign quest is part of a stage written in the quest log. When I started doing the war campaign page, I made sure to check those and transcribe them here. Haven't dealt with achievements when doing this, but now I think they may or may not correspond with achievements and achievement stage names. I'd like to continue adding the quest log stage names instead of achievement names. However, adding related achievements and achievement stages with the description would be a good idea. --Mordecay (talk) 11:23, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Re: User page deletions
I guess I was more prolific than I remembered, lol! Anyway, a thousand thank yous! Hallowseve15 (talk) 06:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks re: talent change patches
Hey, just wanted to say a quick thank you for tidying up the edit to Mana Tea. I was scratching my head trying to find patch changes referencing it, but now that you linked them I can see they are covered by the talent reorganisation ("Many Talents and PvP Talents have been adjusted") at the start of the expansion! Thanks a ton :) Techhead7890 (talk) 14:02, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Translation.
I would like to translate this wiki in Greek. It would be appreciated if you accepted my offer and you guided me on which pages should I go with first.

Hi DarkTZeratul
We have https://wow.gamepedia.com/EU_English_realms_info but it would be nice to also have a classic wow version, if you have the power to make one, would be great, thankyou friend!

Madama Goya (Legion)
Subject came up when Aliok mentioned last night that she could no longer interact with Madam Goya in Dalaran for the BMAH. I confirmed it for myself this morning, and asked in the WoWDB Slack channel about when the change happened (it'd been a long time since I last visited). Simca responded 9.0.1 and so I went with that because it seemed logical.

However, you say you've been interacting with her since that patch. It must be new to 9.0.2, then. -- Alayea (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I decided to do a bit of digging, and it looks like what changed in 9.0.1 is that you have to be max level to access the BMAH. If Aliok was trying to use a lower-level character then it's likely she ran into that issue; otherwise, if she was already level 50, then it's a new change in 9.0.2 (possibly to change the requirement from 50 to 60). -- 20:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * She was on her level 50 main from what I recall. I also checked Madam Goya on a level 50 alt and had no success. -- Alayea (talk) 20:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, interestingly, I may have to add a wrinkle to this discussion. It seems rogues can still talk to Madame Goya in their class hall to access the BMAH. But I can't recall whether or not I used the main BMAH location in 9.0.1 or if I was on my rogue. So if someone else can confirm that she was inaccessible in 9.0.1, then I'm fine going with that. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * To add, I just checked Madam Goya at Backwater Beach on a level 50 alt and she was able to interact with that version of the NPC. So it seems to me that Blizzard may be consolidating the usable locations again. -- Alayea (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Can't trade with her in Dalaran on my main and alt (level 50s). Successfully opened BMAH from her in Zuldazar. This feels like a 9.0.2 change because folks have always been at the Dalaran one for a while and just hearing about now instead of sometime before Monday would suggest it. Also with previous expansion releases, wasn't the last expansion always made unavailable (like Warlords to Legion). Maybe they forgot about the Legion to BfA one and just corrected that now and will apply a change again for BfA to Shadowlands on release date (if they don't forget). Surafbrov (talk) 21:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

A Crisis of Memory
heya, did you see or ? -- 17:54, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The first one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:20, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wowhead / youtube has videos of the second one from live version. It has the same description and completion text. Adding the second set of objectives on the current page is good or should it be two pages? -- 20:41, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to say two pages, since it's a completely different set of objectives. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:14, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Quests
Heya, Shadowlands changed a bunch of old quests, like Meet with Gordul. Its ID is the same, but the name and texts are now different. Should the old quests get moved and replaced with new info or should they be tagged as removed and the Shadowlands versions are created anew? TBH, I'd prefer tagging old as removed and creating new ones, but looking at Meet with Kranosh and Meet with Terga Earthbreaker, changed in WoD, they were just moved. Which approach would be better? --Morderi (talk) 11:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

relatives
You mean like Alleria's dad which you deleted?

One useful thing for having such a page is you have them show up in the categories listing the cast.

Plus it helps consolidate and organize info pertaining to them in a single location which prevents needing to dwell on it repeatedly in other articles.

The sisters sharing the same father could most certainly be in doubt depending on which passage someone reads. Alleria and Vereesa sharing the same "Father" isn't a guarantee that Sylvanas does (maybe that sense of alienation led her astray?) unless you actually use the cite where "our parents" is coupled with "three sisters" when the gem is split.

I think the reason why it seems important for him is that he's not merely "existing as a more established character's relative" because it's not a singular character: it's three major ones. I only chose Alleria's name as the identifier because "Windrunner sisters' dad" seemed too long, and Alleria was the natural choice being the eldest (she made him into a dad first) and also the 1st to debut of the trio. Tycio (talk) 08:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry but there was literally zero canonical information on this page besides him being Alleria's dad, which was already self-contained in the page's title. Such pages are usually not necessary. Xporc (talk) 09:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * "filling out categories" and "disproving unfounded theories" aren’t very strong reasons to make pages about minor, unnamed characters. whether these people are the relatives of one character or three, there’s still nothing to say about them except that they existed. Eithris (talk) 18:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Template:Questlong
Please restore Template:Questlong and perhaps mark it as historical. Many page histories use this template, and they are hard to make easy sense of without it. Karadine (talk) 06:12, 29 June 2021 (UTC)