Talk:Durotan

Crimes?
I might sound biased, but should is war crimes against the Draenei described in Rise of the Horde appear on this page? Just to mention all sides of his life.-- K )  (talk) 07:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, not biased. In any case, the whole page needs to be paraphrased and all that somesuch, not copied (even with citation) word for word. --Sky (t · c · w) 07:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite
Massive kudos to Joshmaul for the rewrite. Great work! 12:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. As my copy of Rise of the Horde (which I loaned to one of my racing buddies) is being sent back to me in the mail, I had to dredge my memory of the events. Feel free to make any corrections, if need be. :) And it's "Joshmaul", BTW. --Joshmaul 19:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Argh, I know, yet my hands type something different >< 12:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Model Viewer Model
The WotLK Model Viewer program has an NPC named Durotan in it. Wowhead doesn't seem to have it so it must not have ever been used in-game. Should I upload it to the page? --DerSquirrel (talk) 05:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I would argue that that's datamining and thus should NOT be done. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Frostwolf clan
The memorial tells that Durotan was the first warchief of the Frostwolf clan, so he can't be preceded by Garad, or? TheSatyr (talk) 14:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lore inconsistency. Rise of the Horse is pretty clear that the Frostwolves existed prior to Durotan.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Why does Durotan have green skin?
Durotan, along with Orgrim Doomhammer, never drank of the blood of Mannoroth. Why then is he depicted with green skin (along with Thrall, Durotan's son), in material before WoD? At what point did he gain green skin, and why? Gadoink4 (talk) 07:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * All orcs near warlocks started turning green from fel exposure before Mannoroth's blood was even offered. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 07:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Lords of War placement
The early part of Durotan's adventures in RotH are before he took the Om'riggor rite of adulthood. Between 12 and the Om'riggor, orcs are allowed on hunting parties, but not against more dangerous foes like ogres and gronn (hunting in drift lurker territory sounds like it would fall under this category). RotH has the following time gaps: In the gap before Durotan is name chieftain is the likely place for his Lords of War events. Though it might have taken place after his Om'riggor and before the Kosh'harg where he courted Draka. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 21:32, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Initial introduction, during Kosh'harg (twice a year), Durotan says he's a summer away from Om'riggor. His encounter with Restalaan and Velen happens.
 * It skips several months to Durotan's Om'riggor.
 * It skips an unknown amount of time to a Kosh'harg where Durotan courts Draka.
 * It skips an unknown amount of time to after a Kosh'harg where Kashur and Garad had died between it and the previous one; also Durotan was named the new Frostwolf chieftain.
 * Durotan's page in the Characters of Warcraft says he was only a child during the LoW. Could it mean that it was before he was 12 and his Om'riggor? --Mordecay (talk) 10:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say yes. Cemotucu (talk contribs) 15:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it would make more sense happening before he met Draka, since he's unofficially saying he has nothing to lose when protecting his mother. If he had met Draka earlier and began a courtship, surely he'd be thinking of future family and responsibilities. --Cannibeans (talk) 15:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case it would be after he was 12 and before he took the Om'riggor. RotH says Durotan he had been on hunting parties since he was 12. "At twelve, he had gone with the hunting parties. And now, after the rite that marked him as an adult, he had been able to join in the hunt for the ogres and their obscene, twisted masters, the gronn." (126 ebook). --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 18:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * My advice is to ignore the "(hunting in drift lurker territory sounds like it would fall under this category)" thing. That is a big assumption.-- 19:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I am in light of him being noted to be a child. :) He'd still have to be older than 12 as that is when he first started joining hunts. It doesn't specify how much time passed between when Durotan turned 12 and when he did the Om'riggor. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Horde insignia?
Is it right to give Durotan the Horde insignia? The only Horde he was ever a part of he was against and exiled from. A neutral symbol may not be very accurate, but like with Llane not having an Alliance symbol, it is the most appropriate. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 23:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Same with Draka. They were both part of the Horde. It comes down to whether the icon should reflect their ultimate affiliation or their most notable one (IMO, it should be latest). Then there's Gul'dan with a neutral icon and he was very much involved with the Horde until his death. Llane is a bad example since died before the Alliance ever came about. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 00:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * In that case Garrosh should have the Horde insignia. He was warchief and a major character for a long time. Durotan was never really loyal to the Old Horde and ended up standing against it. And on the topic of Gul'dan, well he is another example because he was a member of the Old Horde alone and turned against it. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 01:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that the icon reflects their ultimate affiliation. I'm inclined to agree with Shade.--Mordecay (talk) 14:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Going ahead with this. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 22:41, 19 March 2017 (UTC)


 * For characters that were not strictly part of either Horde or Alliance, and not truly neutral either, I think it's fine to just leave the faction symbol out, as the neutral icon refers, per my understanding, mostly to the way an ingame NPC reacts to players. PeterWind (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)