Talk:Strom'kar, the Warbreaker

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Explaining how artifact traits work, how artifact appearances work, and listing general patch changes and achievements for artifacts as a whole are NOT item-specific. Moreover, detailed descriptions of its abilities and hidden traits are better suited for those abilities' pages. Please stop adding enormous amounts of redundant information to articles without discussing such large changes first. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:11, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll comment on all parts of of what you said:
 * I did not explain how artifact traits work.
 * I did not explain how the artifact appearances work.
 * While all artifacts changed in similar fashion, that does not mean the patch information should not be listed, but rather it should be listed on all other pages as well. Also, please notice, that I actually listed the specific changes this weapon had in terms of talents. Not general information.
 * What i wrote about the hidden ability is not a "detailed descriptions" but rather a very short description of it. A detailed description would go into how the fears works, what mobs works, while others don't, etc. The weapon procs this and its very much a defining feature of it.
 * I did not list ANY description of abilities.
 * The article had barely any information before I started adding to it. A wiki (any wiki) does not work like you think it does. You add in data that belongs, if YOU feel it doesn't, you should start a discussion about it, not just delete it with false edit summaries.

Hope I answered all your comments. --Celellach (talk) 10:22, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Each artifact weapon has 23 different traits with a total of 102 trait levels and will require 865,842,644,766,330 Artifact Power to unlock every trait. The maximum Artifact Knowledge level of the weapon is 40.
 * This is explaining how artifact traits and knowledge works, and contains no information specific to a particular artifact.
 * Strom'kar can be modified to use one of five two-handed sword appearances: Classic, Vengeance of the Fallen, Flamereaper, Wrath's Edge and Blade of the Sky Champion. An additional unlockable appearance, Arcanite Bladebreaker will change the weapon's appearance to that of a two-handed axe. Each weapon appearance has four color tints options. The appearances and color tints are unlockable by completing certain criteria.
 * This is explaining how artifact appearances work. That you've specified the names of the appearances (which are already listed in the relevant section) does not make this description item-specific or necessary on the page for a particular artifact rather than the page for artifacts as a whole. This description also appeared on the page twice.
 * Listing all new artifact achievements is very much general information.
 * What you call "very short" is exactly the sort of detailed information that should go on the page for the ability. On the artifact page it's enough to say that it grants it.
 * --Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * 1 - If you feel that line is ruining the article, go ahead and remove it. I feel that line should be listed on each artifact as it describes it features, but I won't fight you on that line.
 * 2 (A) - The lead part of an article should summarize key features of an article. That means that some of the information appearing later on in different sections, will have their info also in the lead part. Not having information in the lead that appears in sections is bad form of article building.
 * 2 (B) - By naming the specific appearances, it actually makes it very weapon specific. By explaining that the hidden appearance changes the sword into an axe makes this information very unique to this weapon. Not all (or any) change into an axe from a sword.
 * 3 - Look at so many other articles that have a "see also" or "related" section. This is very much this.
 * 4 - I disagree that its not short. That's your opinion.

--Celellach (talk) 10:40, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with DarkTZeratul, the generic stuff doesn't need to be duplicated on every page. -- (•) 18:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)