Talk:Alterac (kingdom)

Horde
It's ironic really that Alterac worked so hard with the Horde to protect themselves from it. Idiots --Mr.X8 01:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it was an incredibly cunning and intelligent idea - though of course entirely treacherous. What better way to stop an enemy than become their closest friend? Perenolde owed the Alliance nothing; he hated them for refusing to protect the little nation. It was a no-brainer to take the choice that would best defend his country, as well as providing him with a vehicle for his own vengeful schemes.

Don't be too quick to judge people or political manouvres because you don't like them; and certainly don't underestimate their ability. A similar attitude was responsible for a significant event on 30 January 1933... --

I looked it up a few hours ago on Wikipedia. The night of long knives. There was nothing on it in Wikipedia though. What did Hitler do to his enemies? Mr.X8 02:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I meant January (not June); when Hitler became Chancellor. :S But there are still a few parallels anyway; especially regarding killing political enemies and rivals. --

So technically Alterac was for the Horde? Mr.X8 00:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Nah, they are more for themselves... The horde was just a means to that end.Baggins 07:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The night of long knives? Oh my.
 * I would say, after looking again at the info we have, that Alterac sided with the Horde more out of fear than intelligence (maybe because Perenolde was a complete rogue).-- K )  (talk) 21:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The way i see it, the small nation saw the rise of a superpower, an unwinable war, and a means to secure a place for themselves in the new order, thats all there is too it.

Gadgetfingers

Remnants
Once the capital of Alterac was destroyed, the remnants did what exactly? did its military join in the horde army Alterac Parenolde (talk) 05:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I slightly disagree with some of these ideas (the posts that were before Alterac Parenolde's). Remember, Deathwing (in his human guise) was around Perenolde at the time all this was occuring. The things he did in Day of the Dragon (unsuccesfully), he probably actually accomplished during the events leading up to Alterac doing all those crazy things. I mean he was close to controlling three kings in Day of the Dragon, so I am sure one king was an easy task for him. To Alterac Parenolde, I think some survivors of Alterac helped Ner'zhul. Other than that, a lot of survivors created the Syndicate. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, there is no evidence supporting the fact tha Deathwing was disguised as Lord Prestor during the Second War. In fact, Day of the Dragon mentions him as appearing after the war, surviving the destruction of his supposedly small kingdom, boasting family ties to Perenolde. Assuming that Deathwing as Prestor was convincing Perenolde to side with the Horde during the Second War is just speculation.--Sega381 (talk) 16:00, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Destruction?
Exactly how did Alterac get destroyed? I mean seriously, there's nothing on it on the main page. I don't recall it ever being destroyed?--Zamoonda (talk) 08:04, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Infighting, I think. --Super Bhaal (talk) 14:09, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have always found this puzzling, too, and I am not sure if there is a good source explaining this.
 * According to the original Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness game, the mission Betrayal and the Destruction of Alterac (WC2 Human) consists exactly of that, the destruction of Alterac due to its treason. The following mission starts with "With the destruction of Alterac...", confirming that Alterac was destroyed in the previous mission.
 * In the Tides of Darkness novelization of the game, there is no destruction of Alterac. Thoras Trollbane suspected Alterac's treason, and was able to go there with his troops, and blocked Alterac's troops from further helping the orcs. But Alterac is only mentioned as being blocked or closely guarded, not destroyed. Further novels such as Beyond the Dark Portal and Day of the Dragon dabble on what should be done with Alterac, and who should replace Lord Perenolde, the instigator of the treason. But there is no mention of Alterac's destruction.
 * In World of Warcraft, Alterac is now the Ruins of Alterac, suggesting that it was destroyed. Maybe it was just abandoned. I'm not sure if there is an in-game explanation.
 * I am not sure if WoW took the W2 mission and based Alterac's destruction on that, or if there is some other source that states the exact explanation on how Alterac was left in ruins. If anybody knows a source, it would be nice to have it.--Sega381 (talk) 15:53, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I blame the ogres. 18:04, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Worgen make better scapegoats. Tanooki1432 (talk) 18:17, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Numerous factions could have destroyed the city...-- 18:21, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK... I admit it... I destroyed Alterac. I had plans to build a road straight from Tarren Mills to Undercity, but when the ogres claimed the area, I abandoned the project. 19:27, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * WHAT?! Ogres are sissies, man! All you gotta do is stick a few heads on a few sticks and they run around screaming like babies! I guarantee you that road will bring in far more profit done than undone. Get rid of those ogres dude. Tanooki1432 (talk) 20:18, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm.. but I plan to have them rejoin the Horde.. then have them build the road for me. Just imagine the amount of money I save in wages. =P 20:22, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Risky... You might have to deal with laws of some sort if they're part of the Horde... On the other hand, Ogres are inherently brainless so they might not even know that said laws even exist. Tanooki1432 (talk) 18:00, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Back on topic, as far as I understood the capital was destroyed during the third war, either by the ogres, the scourge or the demons. Some of the remnants remained with the alliance, while others became the syndicate. Lord Prestor wanted to become the lord of alterac, and he was seen as a valid choice because he was part of the royal family(or at least he claimed) so both factions would have to acknowledge him. In WoW, most of the loyalist settlements were too small to warrant a presence. Pure speculation of course, but it fits as much as anything.

Moving
So, what do you think about moving Alterac to Alterac (kingdom) and Stromgarde to Stromgarde (kingdom)? --Ryon21 (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I personally got no problems with that. Many links to update tho :( Xporc (talk) 15:18, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep but maybe using the bots? Since I'd say all these links are about the kingdoms. Then manually see if they are right. I can do it.
 * PD: I've seen it and thankfully there aren't as many links as with Quel'Thalas so I'll gladly do it :) --Ryon21 (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your enthusiasm, just make sure not to over-exhaust yourself. May I suggest also starting to update Stromgarde to Stromgarde (kingdom) when you see links? For a lot of pages you'll soon update it'll contain both Alterac and Stromgarde links. Xporc (talk) 15:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep I'll do it. And if I have time I'll finished it today. --Ryon21 (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Alterac is finished. Stromgarde this week will be :) --Ryon21 (talk) 22:07, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Impressive! I love Alterac :D Xporc (talk) 22:08, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Haha who doesn't? I'm really eager to Chronicles 3. Maybe they'll explain exactly what happened to Alterac and Stromgarde from WC3 to WoW since we have very few details about it. Also, an update to the Seven Kingdoms flags would be awesome if they put them in the book. --Ryon21 (talk) 22:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Alteraci tribe/Ignaeus Trollbane
Hi! Is the complete absence of any mention of Ignaeus Trollbane intentional here? It seems a small recap of his lordship over Alterac before the Arathor Empire came to be would be beneficial to me, maybe even necessary.--Kirotheone (talk) 11:45, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not really, we simply didn't see it or we didn't have time to put it. Considering this is about the nation which was founded later, adding a link to the tribe's page will be enough. --Ryon21 (talk) 13:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)