Talk:Mannoroth

Artwork
If there is a better cutscene screenshot of Mannoroth, in the in-game battle, then it should be the one in the NPC box. The previous one however, was not very good.Baggins 20:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not?-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 01:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Because the cropping only shows a portion of his face or body. I'm pretty sure there were better shots in the cutscenes than that.Baggins 01:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I'm pretty sure there weren't (he was moving all the time, apart from the facial closeups and Horehowl becoming embedded in his chest), and secondly, most major characters have facial closeups- I think that most of our readership knows what a Pit Lord looks like by now. -_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

yeah, just look at Arthas's main pic, no body there--Truckman1 05:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd say that's more of a chest close up than a facial close up, part of the head is actually cropped out of the picture, and it only makes up a small portion of the picture.Baggins 15:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I prefer the Reign of Chaos screenshot. The art work just doesn't work for me. Warchiefthrall 19:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
The quote from Rise of the Horde, while about Mannoroth, was said by Kil'Jaeden. Therefor, it should be listed on Kil'Jaeden's page(I noticed he doesn't have a quote section himself) or under a personality/history section, but should not be listed as a quote attributed to Mannoroth himself.Tweak the Whacked 21:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree it shouldn't be listed as one of Mannaroths personal quotes, but I think it should stay on the Mannaroth article. Warchiefthrall 22:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

How did he get a corpse?
Now I am not using the same arguament for Archimonde as for Manaroth If you watch the cutscene where Thrall of Durnholde and Grommash Hellscream defeat Manaroth, Grom was like 20 metres from the implosion and he still got fried (I don't know how far Thrall was but he only gets wounded and limps). Now if you swallow four shrapnel greanades (or fragmantaion) and manage to detonate them. You think you would have a corpse?--The last Alterac 07:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Mannoroth had a corpse? The only things I've seen that were left are his skull, armor, and shattered weapon. -- Dark T Zeratul 08:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This image says so http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Mannoroth_Remains.jpg --The last Alterac 08:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That is his helm and armor hung on a tree. No corpse whatsoever. The image description even says so. Nabudis 08:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The image discrition said it was his corpse tied to a tree. --The last Alterac 00:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Mannoroth's remains: His skull and armor. <- This is the description. Nothing about a corpse. Nabudis 00:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Mannoroth's Appearance
I was reading Rise of the Horde and when Mannoroth first appeared on Draenor it didn't appear that he was summoned, he was just dispatched by Kil'jaeden. But don't demons have to be summoned? Rikshaw (talk) 22:14, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * When it's mortals doing it- it also seems that Draenor might not have had the same summoning restrictions as Azeroth, as Kil'jaeden himself got in without really being summoned. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:43, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thanks! Rikshaw (talk) 06:49, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actor
Mannoroth must have been played by Arthur Burghardt. He plays Thanatos in God of War: Ghost of Sparta using the exact same voice. You can hear it in this video (which contains spoilers, for those concerned) starting at 0:47: Egrem (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmllGJKMnL8

Warlockery in WoE instance
The warlock tag is appropriate for his level of proficiency with fel and arcane. In the WoE instance, he uses fel-based spells and is the one focusing the Well's arcane energies (The Path to the Dragon Soul). He also draws energy directly from the Well to aid in his battle against us in phase 2:
 * bossemote
 * yell

--Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 07:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Mannoroth is even a spellcaster in The Sundering. Chapter 19, pg 493 (ebook): "Illidan! Can you flee?" "We are surrounded and Mannoroth no doubt eagerly awaits my use of a spell to spirit us to safety! He would quickly usurp it, bringing us to his loving arms..." Chapter 19, pg 516-7 (ebook): Mannoroth shook the dangling body for the benefit of the cringing night elves and warlocks. "Work!" Despite their emaciated states, the spellcasters immediately doubled their efforts. Even then, Mannoroth found no satisfaction. He tossed the grisly remnants aside and moved to the pattern. He would have to rejoin the effort if he hoped for it to succeed. [...] Heavy tail slapping against the floor, Mannoroth tried to return to the spellwork[...] He draws upon the energy collapsing spell for Sargeras portal to create a shield around himself. Chapter 19, pg 518-9 (ebook): Enough magic remained in it so that with his own power he could create about him a protective shield in which he could wait out this attack. [...] Raising his clawed hands high, he summoned the magic of the pattern around him. Even moving his arms proved nearly unbearable, but the gigantic demon managed. A fiery, green dome formed around him. The suction ceased. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 12:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * All demons with the propensity for spellcasting use fel-based magic. That doesn't mean that every single demon is a warlock. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The high-ranking powerful spellcasters in the Legion are usually referred to as warlocks. But if not warlock, at the very least his infobox should reflect that he is a powerful spellcaster instead of merely listing him as a warrior. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking through the WotA books, the generic term for Legion spellcasters is "dark sorcerers". "The spells of the warlocks and other dark sorcerers of the Legion made them a force nigh unstoppable." (The Sundering, ch 13, p 345 (ebook)). Would that be more fitting than warlock? --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 18:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Found reference for summoning infernals to be a Legion warlock ability during the WotA era (The War of the Ancients):
 * "Led by Archimonde and Mannoroth, the Legion swarmed over the lands of Kalimdor, leaving only ash and sorrow in its wake. The demon warlocks called down searing infernals that crashed like hellish meteors into the graceful spires of Kalimdor's temples."
 * Mannoroth calling down a hail of infernals during this same era in the instance is enough to classify him as a warlock over the generic 'dark sorcerer'. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You should read the TCG-tagged class as "In the TCG, Mannoroth appears as a Warrior hero," not "Mannoroth is a Warrior." I don't think there's any need to counterbalance it by artificially "classifying" him as a warlock based on some tangential descriptions. The "he has some warlock abilities, so he must be a warlock!" line of reasoning isn't particularly convincing -- it's more like warlocks use some of his abilities instead.
 * The presence of the Character Class field in character infoboxes is rather dubious to begin with -- what exactly are we calling a "class" in this context, and how is linking either Warrior or Warlock beneficial in the article? — foxlit (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the 'warrior' tag is appropriate because that trope reflects his brutish nature and the way he fights with his giant double-spear in WC3 and the WoE instance. I just think it's disingenuous for his infobox to not also reflect that he is actually a proficient spellcaster. I don't even particularly care about 'warlock' specifically being that tag—it's just the closest thing I could find for his repertoire. I'd have just put 'spellcaster', but that redirects to caster which is just a game term. In the novel, the broad term 'dark sorcerer' is used to describe Legion spellcasters, but I didn't come across that until recently. I suppose just 'spellcaster' without the wiki-link would also work. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Well... Mannoroth is shooting fel fireballs in the WoD Cinematic. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Mannoroth was a Warlock. Warlocks within the Burning Legion are described as "overlords" "strategists" "commanders" in canon. Mannoroth was a top general of Sargeras, and he was called Sargeras' right hand by Xavius as well. Mannoroth was an overlord, a strategist, a commander. As one of Sargeras' favored and is a Demon Lord, I would assume he is a master in the Warlock art, having lived for thousands of years serving as Kil'jaeden's, Archimonde's, and Sargeras' favored lieutenant. The UVG is very vague and general, it's grossly misleading. Succubi, Doomguard, and Terrorguards use Fel magic and are described as spellcasters, but I don't think that is enough to make them a Warlock, then again, Demon spellcasters contain Fel energy and are immortal, and therefore know more, or should know more, about Fel magic and demons, so their skills in in the Warlock arts surpasses that of a mortal Warlock. Mannoroth was a far more powerful spellcaster than Xavius and he was a Warlock, I don't understand how Mannoroth was not a Warlock.

New title
On page 5 of new comic Gul'dan and the Stranger Gul'dan refers to Mannoroth as the Exalted One. I include it in the Title section. Feel free to discuss, though. Also, one of his titles is Burning Legion Engine of Destruction. Is that right? Maybe, Burning Legion's? What do you think? --Adunaii (talk) 00:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * To Gul'dan, he's the exalted one. I hardly thing such a descriptor qualifies as a title, though; few others are going to see a pit lord as an object of worship. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

MU/AU Merged?
I noticed that AU Mannoroth page was merged into the main one here and I was just wandering why? I know there's that Archimonde thing (which honesty confuses me) but as far as I know Blizzard hasn't commented on Mannoroth....have they? Well I appreciate any clarification. --X59 (talk) 04:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Their thing is all demons are above reality more or less. 05:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh... thanks for clarifying.--X59 (talk) 05:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the merges were too hasty. Especially in light of Muffinus's recent tweets, which seem to suggest it's not nearlt so cut and dried. --Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:45, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * So...should the merges be reversed then or should we just wait for more information?--X59 (talk) 09:48, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Muffinus said that one of his tweet about MU/AU was wrong so he deleted it. Where would it be moved? Back to his "alternate version" which according to Afra-guy it is not how demons work?--Mordecay (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest I was unaware that someone other than Muffinus tweeted about demons and stuff. I just knew that Muffinus tweeted alot of stuff and people were talking about Draenor Archimonde being the one from our universe.--X59 (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)