Talk:High General Rakeesh

Dead dead?
The fact that Velen tries to interrupt the fight in the Exodar so abruptly and now this, is it possible that lorewise Rakeesh wasn't considered a demon but a humanoid, and thus met his final in the Exodar? I mean, why would Velen and Kil'jaeden react as if Rakeesh was gone for good when he can recreate in the Nether? --Mordecay (talk) 09:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Red skin, check. Fel Infused, check. No, he is most certainly a demon. I see a few explanations for this, does Velen know about what it means for a demon to die on Azeroth? Would Kil'jaeden try to break him with this fact?Shammiesgun (talk) 09:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The main theory I've seen the last few months is that Rakeesh was extremely close to the fel-portal to Argus and its fel energies spewing right above their heads, so his death is permanent.


 * The other theory is that Kil'jaeden is just doing what he does best, deceiving, and trying to make Velen lose all hope. These two theories could also both be true together.


 * Finally, he could also have captured his soul after he died and returned to the Nether, kind of like he did with Ner'zhul, then either have destroyed or imprisoned him. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 09:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * BtS mentions Rakeesh too, that he died, with no mention of a possible recreation in the Nether. The theories u mentioned, worth a note on the page? The proximity to the fel portal seems reasonable. --Mordecay (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's nice having confirmation. If he could just reform the next day it would've diminished the impact of his death and Velen's reaction by a lot. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but is it? Rereading the sentence, I think we should be careful with the wording. Although it makes sense for Rakeesh to be dead-dead given Velen's reactions, BtS doesn't use the word "permanent". In other sources, (Chronicle) that describe demons and their resurrections, use the wording: "they die but return to the Nether upon death." So they do die. I think the problem should be its own section and not stated as a fact because BtS doesn't say that his death is final or permanent, just that he died which all demons do before returning to the Nether. That section would specify the points for being dead-dead (proximity to portals). --Mordecay (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * And I think I misread you. I thought you said "with no possible recreation in the Nether", meaning that, well, he could not reform, and thus that it was permanent. -- MyMindWontQuiet 20:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, I meant that the book doesn't mention the recreation, just that he died. Here's the quote: "But Velen had witnessed the death not only of his son but of his entire world." --Mordecay (talk) 20:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's my bad entirely, skipped over a word ! -- MyMindWontQuiet 21:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Colored skin doesn't mean much, otherwise most of the feblood elves of Quel'Danas would have come back by now, including Kael himself. Xporc (talk) 09:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not just a colored skin technically, he uses the man'ari model. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In my memory he used a colored draenei model, which is slightly different than the man'ari model introduced in Burning Crusade. I know that's nitpicking, but just like fel orcs he could just be a slightly fel-infused draenei instead of a full-blown, demonic eredar. Xporc (talk) 10:00, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * He uses the man'ari model, with the fel scars, hooves and marked face : http://i.imgur.com/R5teV77.png
 * Guess I was wrong then Xporc (talk) 12:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)