User talk:Pcj/Archive 1

Stub/Notorious
Stub/Notorious is not subject speedy deletion stub policy, don't ask me how that came to be, but after conferring with another admin the articles for Blizzard forum posters will remain. -- 16:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. --Pcj 16:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Speedydeleting Talent Pages
It is unnecessary to put the speedydelete tag on articles related to undeveloped articles for in-game abilities and talents, as you are doing. Instead, please us the tag so they can be developed further. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  18:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The marked articles already have the Stub/Ability tag on them and have not been updated in quite some time. This is per WP:SD. --Pcj 18:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Which states that articles can should only be SD'd if "The page has never had any content, especially if it appears that it will never have any content", the latter of which is highly untrue, as I know there are a few contributors working on filling out the ability and talent pages. It makes sense to keep these stub'd so contributors are more aware of them needing work (through Stub cats, etc) rather than leaving gaping holes in the Wiki. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  18:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, a red link on the articles that link to them (and in Special:Wantedpages) would be more of an alert that something's missing content. In either case, no content is lost with the deletion of the page, and if people want to put content there, fine.   But pages which have been marked "stub" for more than a month seems to indicate that no one's working on it. --Pcj 18:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, looking at the contributions for who started many of the articles have gone on to contribute to other content and have just left them as stubs. I believe red links are more appropriate for content needed than simply a stub. -- 18:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is more lost from deleting them then there is gained (the history of the article, the categorization, etc). They've been categorized and already linked in many pages, there is no reason to delete them as they are a permanent element of the game. If we were talking about the content the SD was designed for (extraneous guild pages, personal pages, etc), then I'd support it. As is, I see no reason to completely remove talent and ability articles that are stubbed. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  18:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * History is usually confined to 1-3 edits on these articles, because they are stubs. Categorization is flimsy at best, and can be easily re-added by proper use of templates in addition to content (bots add categories all the time).  If they're so important as to be linked to in many pages, then they should have content.  SD was designed to reduce clutter, which includes stubbed pages without content, as the policy says. --Pcj 18:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's irrelevant, you're still not gaining anything by just blowing away articles related to permanent abilities and talents in the game that will inevitably be worked on, perhaps sooner than you know. They're hardly clutter, and the time taken to go through and remove them could be better spent improving them or focusing on the real clutter of the Wiki. --  T USVA  ~  T  |  C  18:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call removing an article with 2 categories and no content blowing away. -- 19:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen no proof that stubbed articles get edited faster than "wanted" articles. The latter seems more logical to me to edit...the blazing red link always indicates that something's missing, whereas a blue link (even though the destination page is a stub) makes people think content lies within.  In any case, in the absence of proof, I'm going to continue until the policy changes. --Pcj 19:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen no proof that red articles get more attention either. If anything, they result in a knee-jerk reaction to throw a stub in there, and we're back where we started. My point is that a small amount of existing information is better than none at all, and the time could be better spent improving articles or focusing on actual clutter. /shrug That's all I have left to say on it, really. :P -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  19:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The burden of proof doesn't lie on me to prove that "wanted" articles are edited faster, since I'm not asking you to do anything. I've seen several of the articles deleted created with new content after being stagnant for several months marked as stubbed.  My edits comply with policy. --Pcj 19:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I say yell at people creating pages simply to Stub them. If they are linked somewhere then with the use of the Loot/Quest Template people can quickly get to the article on WoWhead, Thottbot, or Alla. In my opinion, stubs should be saved for pages left unfinished by the person who initially created it.  Instead of making stubs, or marking with speedydelete, I took an initiative to try and fill the pages.  19:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Speedydelete Spam
Me again. A few things... I'm sure you'll be hearing more from me as you continue to spam SDs. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  14:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Location pages: (Examples: Pool of Tears, Misty Valley, Andilien Estate). All of these are linked from multiple pages, and some have a short description, all of which have a screenshot of the location. These are all MORE than enough to constitute a stub, not SD spam.
 * Mob/Creature pages: Is there any sort of consistency you're following at all? Examples: You SD Great White Kodo but stub Searing Roc. You SD Stonelash Flayer but stub Fel'dan. You stub Shore Strider but SD Prairie Wolf Alpha. All of these I mentioned are linked from other articles.
 * The more pages they're linked from, the more likely it is someone will see the red link if/when they are deleted...if someone's going to put up a screenshot and call it a page you might as well redirect the page to the image, especially since those stubs have been there so long. For your second point, look at the edit before mine.  If it's more than a month earlier and has already been stubbed, I put up an SD.  Otherwise, if it needs a stub or has been edited considerably within a month, I edit it appropriately. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 14:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 1)Many of the location pages have more than the screenshot, and your logic about intentionally making red links is contradictory to encouraging contribution, which is the entire point of a Wiki.
 * 2)No where in WP:SD policy does it state it has to be edited within a month otherwise be deleted. I completely contest that arbitrary method of deciding what gets tagged. Using that level of thinking, we could decimate half the wiki because an article hasn't been touched in a month, regardless of the content. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  14:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the stubs certainly aren't working at encouraging contribution, the theory is that during casual browsing a reader is more likely to see a red link than browsing stubs. The month limit is my own determination based upon the policy, which says "The page has never had any content, especially if it appears that it will never have any content". To me, a month is ample time to expect someone to finish an article marked "stub" and which has at best a sentence, maybe a picture, and a few templates which were thrown on there by bots.  Otherwise, it's fairly safe to assume the article has been abandoned. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 14:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire point of a stub is to mark it for further work. Assuming "casual browsers" are going to contribute to an empty article rather than a stubbed one is illogical. The amount of effort to throw in a bit more information to an article that ALREADY EXISTS is much less than going through and creating one from scratch, using local templates, and policies, etc etc. Which do you think a "casual browser" is more likely to contribute to? The one that's already built and needs a bit more pieces of info or one that's completely blank?
 * Using your logic, we would just delete EVERY article that hadn't been touched in a month if it wasn't complete because it'd be "abandoned". Again, that flies in the face of the goal of community contribution. Some articles may be updated fifteen times a day, others once every other month. That's the nature of the beast. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  14:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mark large stubbed pages as SD, so no, we wouldn't delete EVERY article with my logic. The point is stubs aren't getting updated and have no content.  WP:SD explicitly allows for this.   See WP:SD --Pcj (T&bull;C) 14:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The reality is a stubbed page is more likely to get updated than an empty one. It might not happen in the 30 days that you have arbitrarily decided a page is "getting updated" is, however, it doesn't mean the page should be reset. I can understand doing mass stubs, but spamming SD's is not constructive to the Wiki and basically creates more work for zero benefit. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  14:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to change the policy, go ahead and propose it. My edits are logically sound to me and comply with policy. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 15:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I will actually propose an amendment to the policy, shortly. I'm not claiming that you're violating it, I'm claiming that you're abusing it. -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  15:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine, just remember the admin who manages the speedy delete category always has final decision whether to actually delete the article or not. I'm simply marking pages which do not have content. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 15:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm very well aware of that. What you're doing is basically creating a TON of unnecessary work for the admins to have to comb through the piles of SD spam you've created to decide what's valid and what isn't because you've arbitrarily decided it "has no content" and is "abandonded". -- T USVA  ~  T  |  C  15:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reasonable criteria for putting up SD tags and have been agreed with by an admin before (see above discussion, n.b. Gryphon's remarks), so I'm merely continuing. If they ask me to stop, I will.  The process is hardly out of control or unreasonable. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 15:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I see quite a few I personally won't be deleting. I think some SD tags are bit excessive. I don't mind deleting something that just has a stub and cats, but if there is some sort of content like an images or lore snippet, info that people did some work to contribute, I don't think they should have been tagged. I think SD policy needs some tweaking. -- 15:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 15:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Battlegroup
By this page I see you have been busy. What does it matter if a battlegroup box is put on a guild page? The reader can still come into the page without ever seeing the server page. Yes it's redundant but it rounds out our guild page nicely. Surely you have better things to do.--Drain 00:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought it was placed there by mistake; it didn't provide any added navigation bonus. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 00:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Change to APB/Row
What was the purpose of your change there? Parameters 5 and 6 (region and server) are never blank, so causes the  to always return true. Can you give me an example of the negative behavior you were trying to fix? 00:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This. (also this and this.) I'm thinking includeonly tags on the class row pages themselves might work. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 00:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Those are created through use of the parser function.  Trying to get templates which use it off the broken links page completely is likely to be more effort than it's worth, wouldn't you think?  Yes, the Row template could be fixed by -ing it and all the class-specific templates (and I'll probably do that for all the APB templates, anyway), but templates like 🇬🇷 actually rely on the broken-link behavior in order to work.   00:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't need to rely on that, a simple #switch parser function might work...though I haven't bothered going through and figuring out how 🇬🇷 works. In any case, APB should be easily fixed, and removing red links (and/or making them blue) where possible is always good. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 00:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm getting ready to fix the APB templates now, but 🇬🇷 is... complicated. When you say "red links", you're referring to the Wanted Pages, yes?  Links to those "false" pages shouldn't exist elsewhere.   00:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's right. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 01:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, the APB ones have been wrapped. I've been wanting to try to make a new version of 🇬🇷 which takes better advantage of the new parser functions.  It may take me a couple of weeks to get to it, but when I do, I'll also look into keeping it from spamming the Wanted pages.   01:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sounds good. If you need any help, let me know. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 01:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Vash, kel, etc. navigation boxes
So, any reason for removing the top navigation boxes? the pages are pretty inaccesible now that you removed them.
 * So, unless you have a better alternative, i recommend putting them back.
 * Also, please refrain from editing user pages, use the talk page in case any modifications need to be made.  07:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I recommend moving them back to their original pages, Kel'Thuzad and Kel'Thuzad (tactics). The template was pure evil. I doubt Pcj did so without some support from an admin or two. iirc, there wasn't much support for the template, period. --Sky (t · c · w) 07:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There was support, and there was opposition, but no general consensus made and the subject moved to the archives. 08:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally, and so far as I've seen, proposals without consensus are considered failed proposals. But this is what I've seen; may be different than what you've seen. --Sky (t · c · w) 08:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The template was not standardized and was causing a number of red links. All other boss pages had the quotes, loot, and strategy all on the Boss (tactics) pages.  Standardizing those bosses to match eliminated the need for the template.  The better alternative is already implemented, see the top of the respective boss pages. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 12:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the message Pcj! --(Shaher 17:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC))


 * Indeed, thank you for the welcoming message, much appreciated --Shiryo 13:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Quest Chains
I'm still trying to figure out this whole wiki thing but I think I (hopefully!) realized the proper way now. Sorry! Pinko 21:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome Pcj! --Ahimah 17:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Laurlybot tags on mobs
Hey Pcj. Some of the Azuremyst mobs you tagged for Laurlybot to replace were almost completely filled out, only missing some attack info that Laurlybot couldn't get anyway. Please check the content of the page before adding the laurlybot tag. For an example see the old Root Trapper page. It has everything that Laurlybot would put on there, plus some background. On the ones I noticed, I removed the mob stub and put in an ability stub for the abilities section, as that is all that is missing for these mobs - hopefully this will help avoid confusion in the future. -- 19:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ability isn't the correct stub for that, but the page is also missing drops, and the actual information Laurlybot would remove is minimal. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 19:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, should I put a mob stub in that area? Personally for this type of mob I would rather just remove the drop and abilities sections, the mob is so simple that they aren't really needed. I still don't think that mobs which have this much info should just be blown away. And honestly I hate Laurlybot's generated drops sections. But that's just me. My request stands, but if you really feel it should be replaced then go ahead. -- 23:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is any appropriate stub for sections of mob articles except Stub/Mob, but I agree that the ability section is probably best reserved for boss mobs. I wouldn't put the basic melee there, anyway, it's rather obvious and makes it look even more incomplete.  You're right, though, WoWWiki should be more than just another database site, the history is good.   --Pcj (T&bull;C) 23:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed the three articles I was concerned with and added their notable drops. Hope they are satisfactory now. Thanks again for your consideration. -- 23:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Should be fine. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 23:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again :) I am just going to remove the ability sections then for those mobs. If the mob has some sort of special ability, it would be useful to note, but for basic melee - maybe only mention if it is a particularly hard hitter or something. -- 00:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Rogues Do It From Behind
Rogues Do It From Behind is a L70ETC song that is not just the word 'Dufr'. You asked.-- 17:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know what it was, it just wasn't worth keeping with that content alone. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 17:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
And thanks for the reply to my question too. Hope to see you around. :) -- Dorvelle 20:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :)
For the welcome ;) Henrietta 19:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

THANKS!
I wouldn't call myself excellent at Wiki, but I do my best. Luffy 20:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

stubs
Are you having the bot run past naked links, or all items on : Category:Item stubs ? theres's quite a lot of items still pretty barren. 13:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gone through item stubs once, there might be some new ones, otherwise I just mark the red links as I see them. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "some", yeh.. well over 10+ pages worth of stubs :P 13:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not all stubs need to be re-processed, they have as much content as the bot will add, or more. Foxbot even marks some of its entries as stubs. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * hmm. maybe add a special "botstub" tag to them, so you can filter out completed entries better.. its an inhuman task if you wanted to look trough the new stubs to process otherwise. 13:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not the maintainer of Foxbot, see User:Foxlit. :P --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Am looking over several of the hunter quest pages... The Ancient Leaf, Stave of the Ancients, etc. These pages had useful content on them prior to Laurlybotting.  Would you incorporate the previous contents, either by inclusion or by moving the previous content to a strategy page or something? --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Done and did it!-- 00:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :D
Thanks for the warm welcome, I appreciate it!

--Cmrobinson 01:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Thanks for the welcome. --TheParanoidOne 15:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you review Help:Loot and Tooltip?
You seem to be the expert on how the Loot and Tooltip templates work, so I'd appreciate it if you could review Help:Loot and Tooltip for accuracy. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:45 AM PDT 11 Oct 2007

Could you answer a question for me?
On quest pages, do levels in parantheses denote that the quest becomes available at that level? I want to make sure before making any edits. I noticed that on the A Haunted History page it's listed as 69 (69), when I was able to get the quest at 67. Thanks for any help! Alein 06:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

About the 'It has been suggested' on the Interface Portal main page ...
Hi,

I got an issue (or two)with the "It has been suggested" notice that you stuck to the very top of the Interface Portal main page:

1) Thats a main portal page meant for users seeking information. It should show a state and information useful and helpful to users of WoW-Wikki. In my view it should not become annotated with page editor remarks. Notices about how the page might (or might not) be modified internally should not appear on a main portal page. 99 out of 100 people visiting the page for information will not know what your notice means, are not interested in what it says, and might even feel annoyed by having to scroll down because its there.

If you have notices or requests about how to update or improve the page, please post them to the page discussion forum or address them to an Admin.

2) The notice itself fails to explain who suggested exactly what, and where this suggestion happened. Was it you suggesting a change ? Is that note the only actual manifestation of this suggestions ? I have perused the "Discussion" board for the page and also this Talk page here and could find no further information.

I thought instead of fighting a stupid page reversal war up to the point where it annoys an Admin it would be better to talk about this.

-- Skeeve2 22:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:NAME is policy. If you wish to propose an amendment to the policy, please follow the proper procedure.  Thanks. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 22:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Moved it to a more appropriate page, regardless of name: Wowpedia:Interface Customization. Enjoy. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Or not... I see the issue. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Item Updates
Bouncing through some random pages yesterday, I noticed that a couple items lacked an info source on wowwiki. (ie. Ring of the Moon) Being new to this whole process and not really having updated 'Items' yet, I figured I'd give it a go. I updated 2 of the 3 with a manual item box. Returning to the page an hour or so later, I saw you'd added a stub that the item was to be updated by Foxbot. In the stub, it specifically states:

All content on this page will be replaced. If you edit this page to match the Item Boilerplate, remove this tag.

With this in mind, I went to update the Large Knapsack,the last of the items from the aforementioned page that needed an update. This time, however, I copied the source from the boilerplate and filled it in accordingly (with one minor error that was corrected expediently). Perusing the page this morning, I saw that you had dropped the stub on this article as well. This made me wonder:

Is this standard procedure for all new items? Did I incorrectly use the boilerplate?

Not that big a deal, but I figure if there's an automated way to add missing item info, it would be a good deal easier than filling in those boilerplates. And if I was making an error, I'd be keen on knowing what it was so as to prevent making it in the future. I'm sure there's a way to add a signature to input on a talk page like this, but I won't learn that until 'Wiki 301 - Sigs' or whichever course that one's in. Based on the information set forth in the stub, I copied the Boilerplate verbatim for the Large Knapsack (not sure what Foxbot looked for when updating items, I even left all the extraneous N/A info in it, though I see it has been removed since). I have added the item level and I believe the category of the item has been there (Container), although you may be looking for something else in that regard (Trade Goods??) K10wn 18:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I like to see categories and item level in addition to what you had on large knapsack; ring of the moon is even further away from the boilerplate. See WP:SIG for signature ideas. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 16:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * On the first 2 items I added (Ring of the Moon & Carnelian Loop), I did not use the boilerplate, I simply reproduced the loot box as it appears in game and on most WoW-related sites. So reading the stub, I understood why it had been placed there.
 * No, I mean categories for the page. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much for fixing the Elven horse page. I'm sorry I broke it. Is there any chance we can shrink it and add back to WoWWiki?


 * You should shrink it before uploading it. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 22:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to try, but I have horrible luck with uploads. One thing though, can I color it? Mind you I don't have those inks comics and stuff use, just sharpies and such.

But wait, the picture is gone. How can I get it again?


 * No you can not color it (You can, but it is frowned upon), that would make it fan fiction. To get it again just re-upload it.-- 23:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

the old picture was deleted.

DS1, DS2 & Tier 1-3 Set Page Formatting
Just wondering what your plans are for updating all of the DS1, DS2 & Tier 1, 2, 3 set pages.

I've noticed that a lot of my previous work updating those pages to a more stream-lined look & feel have been over-written with a standard table outline.

IE: Battlegear of Valor -vs- Battlegear of Wrath

Thanks.

Ardor 18:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm changing all tables to darktable as I come across them for purposes of standardization. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a document/directive outlining the necessity of this standardization as being applicable to the class tiered set pages (DS1-T6)? I ask, simply as the darktable isn't exactly what I'd call "asthetically pleasing" and has actually detracted from the usefulness of the tier set pages that have been updated.

Case & point: Vestments of Transcendence (darktable) -vs- Vestments of the Virtuous (template - armorset), even at 1600x1200, the darktable template makes for a very "cluttered" look, especially the 3rd table fragment for Set Stats. The armorset template incorporated color-specific-per-tier background colouring, logical grouping/breakup of stats on an alphabetical "Vitals - Resists - Bonuses" level and visual icon aides to quickly identify set pieces.

Back the resolution down to 1280x1024 or 1024x760 and the user-experience in being able to quickly & efficiently locate key stat information on the darktable template for Vestments of Transcendence certainly is not easy, and could be argued as being prohibitive compared to competitor-sites such as Thottbot & WowHead.

Thoughts? Ideas?

Ardor 19:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I see it completely the opposite the way you apparently see it. Darktable is more compact, easier to read.  The icons on the old style are not particularly easier to figure out than text.  Finally, the rows and columns on the set item stats still need to be swapped, as far as I'm concerned.  I've done so at Vestments of Transcendence, added in some alternating row colors, and moved around the columns a bit. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 20:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Malorne Regalia was brought up on the IRC when I mentioned this, which is a better solution than either as far as I'm concerned. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 20:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Kralnor
Given it's obviously a touchy subject, I'd suggest a talk page discussion on the (alternative) page. 00:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

tooltip template adaption
Hi Pcj, I would like to use tooltip template on a wiki for another game and was wondering what I would need to include to make it work? I've copied loot, quality and tooltip templates, as well as script (User:Pcj/itemtooltip.js) and a small bit from common.js... Does it require anything else? --Xaaldin 11:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're gonna need to edit itemtooltip.js to properly reference your site. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 12:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Recipe: Stormchops
Pcj, I was wondering why you undid my edits to Recipe: Stormchops? —MJBurrage • talk  • 18:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Mainly because of your changes to the tooltip. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you elaborate, I checked the tooltip results on other pages before and after to make sure everything worked. —MJBurrage • talk  • 18:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Not so much that it worked, moreso proper formatting. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

What was improper? —MJBurrage • talk  • 18:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Recipe: Delicious Chocolate Cake
You just undid my edit to Recipe: Delicious Chocolate Cake as well. I still do not know what you consider improper about my edits. Also, if it is just something wrong in the Tooltips, why are you reverting the whole page in both cases? —MJBurrage • talk  • 19:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Proper" formatting in this case seems to be
 * deemed correct: Fooberries (2)  Nubnuts (22)
 * deemed incorrect: Fooberries x2 Nubnuts x22
 * a policy I have yet to locate anywhere. However, the parenthesis method echos the display by the game client.
 * And apparently, reverting was simply easier than making this one change. Other data had simply been rearranged, and information of value vanished temprarily due to the revert.  TBH, Burrage, I prefer your ordering of data. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And apparently, reverting was simply easier than making this one change. Other data had simply been rearranged, and information of value vanished temprarily due to the revert.  TBH, Burrage, I prefer your ordering of data. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Please put stubs at the top of the page
You will notice they sometimes conflict with the tooltip if you put them in a section or something like that. This is a bug with the CSS, I think, but until that gets fixed, please put stubs at the top of the page unless they must go somewhere else. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 7:26 PM PST 29 Nov 2007


 * "This article or section is an item stub...". The section the stub is under is the part of the article lacking content.  If it bothers you so much, fix the CSS. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 03:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to go with Fandy on this - they're designed for the top of a page. The section thing is for long pages where most of the content is filled out, and it makes no sense to have a stub at the top referring to something off the screen. Edit: I think that note isn't on the WP:MOS, will have to add it. 03:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know the stubs are supposed to serve dual purpose, but they just don't work well when not at the top of the page. I might try to make it so you can alter the width of the stub box, but it seems kind of risky right now. It was just as a request. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 9:11 PM PST 29 Nov 2007


 * I was merely standardizing it to the more common way Foxbot does it. You should consult with Foxlit about it, too.  And of course, fix the CSS. :P --Pcj (T&bull;C) 05:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The CSS is fine, it's just a restriction of how different page elements interact. 16:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * CSS is what controls how the page elements interact. You can adjust the margin in CSS.  If nothing else, you could always set the z-index such that they overlap better (tooltip should always be on top in my opinion). --Pcj (T&bull;C) 16:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I know what the CSS does, and I also read very long talk pages on Wikipedia going over this issue. The z-index thing does sound like the best compromise. 16:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The bug is with tooltip, not the CSS, unless Kirkburn changed more than the colors on his import from WP. Ambox is supposed to shrink to fit between infoboxes, or tooltips, as the case may be. Which would suggest that how the template was originally done isn't correct. --Sky (talk | con | wh ) 22:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ambox is using a table when it should use a DIV. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 22:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * "Should" is a relative word. I might look out the Wikipedia talk pages about it at some point, should be under Wikipedia:Article message boxes. 23:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I mean to float better with the tooltips, it would have to be a DIV. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 23:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you please do something?
I accidently overwrited my old talk page. Could you please restore it to the new one? Thanks, Frostworn1822 05:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Frostworn1822, I put instructions on your talk page for how to restore contents from an old talk page. Hopefully that helps. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 9:22 PM PST 29 Nov 2007

Thanks for the help!
Thanks for the help on the edits/cleanup of Shamatank and Shamans as tanks! It's much appreciated!

Thanks for helping me with my Tier 7 efforts also! Maparyetal (talk) 22:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Please do a better job explaining yourself when you revert my changes...
Like maybe a note on my talk page? -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 12 AM PST 3 Dec 2007
 * Since you decided to just make some comments on Kaydeethree's talk page and not address me directly on your talk page or mine, nor did you explain your deletions on the talk pages of the articles. I've decided to put you as a suspect on the Wowpedia:Violations list. See Wowpedia:Editing policy for why. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 8:49 PM PST AM
 * I have explained it. Duplication of content is suitable reason to remove.  speedydelete is subject to administrator approval.  I do want to say that I have somewhat reconsidered supporting hover tooltips for objects (it will need some framework on what exactly is going to be displayed), but I don't think using links that look like loot would be advisable, since that would seem to me to lead to confusion. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 16:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * tooltip is designed for in-game items, in addition, that is just way too much for a mouse over tooltip.. 17:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree there. Depends on what you would put in the object tooltip, really.  I can maybe see name and location, maybe a short list of possibilities of what's inside if it's a container-type item. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 17:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Explaining yourself after the fact and only because of prompting is pretty weak in my opinion. I could have made you a suspect before you explained yourself. Maybe being on the suspect list will make you be a little more thoughtful when you do stuff in WoWWiki for a while. Or, it might just make you mad and at least you can stand in my shoes for a little bit. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 9:04 AM PST 6 Dec 2007
 * No, I really don't care about the suspect list. If you don't want to work together on establishing an object tooltip, I don't have anything further to say on this issue. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 17:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, work together? You got it deleted. Why don't you restore it and then we'll talk. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 10:12 AM PST 6 Dec 2007
 * Whatever. I've extended an olive branch; if you want to be belligerent, that's your choice.  I don't really care either way.  Well, I suppose it's less work for me since you obviously don't want to do it, so that's a plus.  Here's what should happen, in my opinion:
 * We should discuss what exactly goes in the object tooltip.
 * We should discuss what the link to the object should appear as, if not simply a regular link with the necessary
 * --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Map tooltips
That's beautiful, man. Very well done. If you're interested in adding support for other map icons, here's a function which returns the margin and image location from the icon names used by Zone Map Note:

function getIcon(name) { switch (name) { "Star":     return ["-9", "f/fd/IconSmall_RaidStar"]; "Circle":   return ["-9", "2/23/IconSmall_RaidCircle"]; "Diamond":  return ["-9", "2/2f/IconSmall_RaidDiamond"]; "Triangle": return ["-9", "8/86/IconSmall_RaidTriangle"]; "Moon":     return ["-9", "5/5e/IconSmall_RaidMoon"]; "Cross":    return ["-9", "e/e0/IconSmall_RaidCross"]; "Square":   return ["-9", "d/df/IconSmall_RaidSquare"]; "Skull":    return ["-9", "7/73/IconSmall_RaidSkull"];

"Banker":       return ["-8", "2/2e/BankerGossipIcon"]; "Battlemaster": return ["-8", "7/7a/BattlemasterGossipIcon"]; "Binder":       return ["-8", "5/51/BinderGossipIcon"]; "Gossip":       return ["-8", "c/cb/GossipGossipIcon"]; "Healer":       return ["-8", "9/96/HealerGossipIcon"]; "Petition":     return ["-8", "f/f8/PetitionGossipIcon"]; "Tabard":       return ["-8", "6/6f/TabardGossipIcon"]; "Taxi":         return ["-8", "8/8c/TaxiGossipIcon"]; "Trainer":      return ["-8", "5/5a/TrainerGossipIcon"]; "Unlearn":      return ["-8", "7/79/UnlearnGossipIcon"]; "Vendor":       return ["-8", "1/1d/VendorGossipIcon"];

"POI0":  return ["-8", "f/fa/IconSmall_POI0"]; "POI1":  return ["-8", "4/4d/IconSmall_POI1"]; "POI2":  return ["-8", "e/e9/IconSmall_POI2"]; "POI3":  return ["-8", "b/bf/IconSmall_POI3"]; "POI4":  return ["-8", "6/68/IconSmall_POI4"]; "POI5":  return ["-8", "c/c3/IconSmall_POI5"]; "POI6":  return ["-8", "b/b8/IconSmall_POI6"]; "POI7":  return ["-8", "5/52/IconSmall_POI7"]; "POI8":  return ["-8", "a/aa/IconSmall_POI8"]; "POI9":  return ["-8", "8/86/IconSmall_POI9"]; "POI10": return ["-8", "2/2a/IconSmall_POI10"]; "POI11": return ["-8", "d/da/IconSmall_POI11"]; "POI12": return ["-8", "9/93/IconSmall_POI12"]; "POI13": return ["-8", "9/9a/IconSmall_POI13"]; "POI14": return ["-8", "f/fe/IconSmall_POI14"]; "POI16": return ["-8", "f/f0/IconSmall_POI16"]; "POI17": return ["-8", "0/07/IconSmall_POI17"]; "POI18": return ["-8", "e/e1/IconSmall_POI18"]; "POI19": return ["-8", "6/6e/IconSmall_POI19"]; "POI20": return ["-8", "3/3f/IconSmall_POI20"]; "POI21": return ["-8", "9/92/IconSmall_POI21"]; "POI22": return ["-8", "d/dc/IconSmall_POI22"]; "POI23": return ["-8", "0/0e/IconSmall_POI23"]; "POI24": return ["-8", "c/c6/IconSmall_POI24"]; "POI25": return ["-8", "f/fa/IconSmall_POI25"]; "POI26": return ["-8", "3/30/IconSmall_POI26"]; "POI27": return ["-8", "d/d5/IconSmall_POI27"]; "POI28": return ["-8", "a/af/IconSmall_POI28"]; "POI29": return ["-8", "d/d4/IconSmall_POI29"]; "POI30": return ["-8", "6/61/IconSmall_POI30"]; "POI31": return ["-8", "4/4c/IconSmall_POI31"]; "POI32": return ["-8", "1/1b/IconSmall_POI32"]; "POI33": return ["-8", "3/31/IconSmall_POI33"]; "POI34": return ["-8", "f/f8/IconSmall_POI34"]; "POI35": return ["-8", "7/76/IconSmall_POI35"]; "POI36": return ["-8", "1/15/IconSmall_POI36"]; "POI37": return ["-8", "a/ad/IconSmall_POI37"]; "POI38": return ["-8", "6/66/IconSmall_POI38"]; "POI39": return ["-8", "e/e3/IconSmall_POI39"]; "POI40": return ["-8", "6/64/IconSmall_POI40"];

"default": return ; } }

15:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

template:mobbox broken due to changes to template:npcbox?
I noticed on the ZA boss pages that the Race line in the mobbox was invalid. It looks like this on the web page: Race  (Humanoid) The template:mobbox hasn't been changed in a while, but it uses the template:npcbox that was recently updated by one of your edits. Is it possible that this caused the break in the mobbox template? I'm guessing that Race used to be an optional parameter before, and now it seems that it's required, breaking any pages that use mobbox.
 * OK, this should be fixed now. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 16:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks. -- Adonran 18:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Source/no source
Re Velinde's Key... I thought I remembered some direction along the lines of "if there is no preamble for the page, you don't need to make a "source" section.  Might be worth looking up.  I don't care enough to argue the point, though. --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, refer to Help:Item articles/Preload. It does say in the comments that you don't, but Foxbot does it anyway, might as well make it look the same. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Skullsplitter
Please stop undo revisions of Skullsplitter, it's really, really annoying. gOurra 20:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs categorizing, which I believe is the issue, as well as |sell and |ilvl. --Sky (talk | con | wh ) 21:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did put in the |ilvl and |sell. If he wanted me to categorize it then he should've at least told me, instead of messing up with the article without saying anything. gOurra 04:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know. It bothers me too. But that is usually the reason why pcj does it. Don't ask me why. >.> --Sky (talk | con | wh ) 06:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Special Recognition
I'd award you the Bookkeepers' Commendation for Lore Cleanup vis a vis Templates, but A) it doesn't exist and B) I think it goes against the spirit of the idea to even give it. So, thank you and commendations for your work on cleaning up the infobox situation, and keep up the good work!-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 05:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol...thanks. -- 05:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Paper Flying Machine Kit
Why'd you change it Pcj, I thought it was fine and you just removed half of the article, which was an important part talking about the Paper Flying Machine, I merged the two articles because it was requested.

It looked better, was more intresting and gave more information in my version, I request you to change it back as I wrote it. You don't want an angry Tauren, do you? Felhoof 12:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem to make much sense to merge the two pages. They're two completely different items, even if one just makes the other. We have plenty of item pages (like Adamantite Arrow Maker creates Adamantite Stinger) that work like this, so I'd assume that this should follow in that example as well. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 13:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeap, that's how we do it. I didn't delete your content, I moved it to the actual item article. -- 13:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought the Paper Flying Machine page was different a while ago xD.. must have watched it at the time that you were editing it, it's fine now ty :) Felhoof 18:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem with books
Do you have a problem with making the pages (with readable items) look nicer. Nearly every page with readable text uses:

with the % depending on how much text. and yet you wthings to glide through the whole page. Making it not only not match how the rest of them are done, but you make it look unprofessional. If I had to make a guess, I bet the only reason you undid what I did, is cause how you feel towards me. 17:29, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * OK, use 'class="darktable" width="60%"' and no bgcolor then. -- 17:31, 9 January 2008 (EST)


 * Looks terrible without a bgcolor, so I'm going to add it. 17:37, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Darktable is the preferred style per WP:MOS. -- 22:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes for tables. But these aren't tables of information, they're in-game books/notes/letters.


 * The formatting described here is a guideline and can be overridden where circumstances warrant it. These guidelines will never be unerringly perfect for every situation. And I believe the table use of darktable can be overridden in this circumstance. 17:46, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Darktable looks better here in my opinion anyway; I believe perhaps this should be put up for a "debate" on the village pump. -- 17:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * I'll agree to that. Would you like to do the honor? 17:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * WP:VP. -- 18:04, 9 January 2008 (EST)

WW:MOS and metal bar pages
I found the metal bar pages (Iron Bar, et al) distinctly unpleasant. I was halfway into restoring the metal bar pages to a useful appearance when I noted that you'd reverted a change someone else had made that was essentially what I was doing.

Either the MOS must be changed, or an exception granted. The Metal Bar template is long compared to the "info box" of the tooltip template. This distorts the page greatly, leaving a vast empty space on the right of "nav bar". This looks VERY bad.

Please note that MOS is a guideline only, and not a reason to create poor layouts. See my note on WW:MOS. If it requires a vote to change the MOS to convince you on this issue, I will start one. I don't want to start an edit war, but be aware that I feel that strongly on this particular case. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The MOS can be changed, but Kirkburn apparently feels strongly about it as well, and I personally believe that the vertical navboxes should be converted to horizontal or merged to an existing infobox. I will edit pages to fit the MOS, but not so far as to take it to an edit war. Push it to a vote, methinks, and please, check out the related discussion on the Village pump. -- 20:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also see, with somewhat less fire, my comment on Village Pump. Please accept my apologies for how I have handled my outrage.  It takes a while to catch up to a distributed conversation like this.  ... Except that I still missed the 'Converting' conversation...
 * I could, probably, live with a horizontal metal bars navbar, as a better alternative to the positioning a straight-jacketted, unaltered, MOS would yield. I wouldn't be happy, but I also wouldn't be moved to edit-war level unhappiness.  Which makes it a viable compromise, I guess. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I could, probably, live with a horizontal metal bars navbar, as a better alternative to the positioning a straight-jacketted, unaltered, MOS would yield. I wouldn't be happy, but I also wouldn't be moved to edit-war level unhappiness.  Which makes it a viable compromise, I guess. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Misspellings in coords.js and uploaded maps JPG
In User:Pcj/coords.js and... FYI. I may fix them myself, but if you could that would be great. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 10:38 AM PST 12 Jan 2008
 * Image:WorldMap-Darnassis.jpg, Darnassus is misspelled Darnassis.
 * Image:WorldMap-Hilsbrad.jpg, Hillsbrad misspelled Hilsbrad.
 * Image:WorldMap-Ogrimmar.jpg, Orgrimmar misspelled as Ogrimmar (added based on Pcj comment below).
 * I just referenced the files as DarkRyder uploaded them, they may be that way in the internal game files as well. The correct spelling is used as far as coords is concerned. -- 19:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Orgrimmar is also misspelled. -- 20:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I unpacked some MPQs and those misspellings are in the file names. Oh well. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 11:07 PM PST 16 Jan 2008

User talk: Oscararon I am a tard???
Eh... can you please tell me what that was about? --'The Lich King'' - - -  11:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, ask the person who vandalized your user space. -- 14:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thank you... I didn't know what to do but... thank you =) --'The Lich King'' - - -  17:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Zone Map
I wanted to let you know why I reverted your changes to Zone Map. Like the item/spell icons, the map images were uploaded using Blizzard's internal file names, even though they're misspelled, so that they can be kept up-to-date via bot. 14:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. See  above and Template talk:Coords. -- 14:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoops, didn't even see the discussion above. Thanks for catching "Ogrimmar", too.   14:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Foxbot again
Schematic: Shadow Goggles lost data due to a Foxbot edit. Please take care when directing foxbot to edit pages that have previously been edited by humans. --Eirik Ratcatcher 01:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

TOC on quests
Do you really think a TOC is necessary on quest pages? There are very few variations on what goes into a quest page, and the most useful links are either at the top or the bottom. The default format for a quest page generates a TOC in most cases, even when the page itself is a single screen high.

I do NOT think it is necessary, and so deliberately disable the TOC on these pages. Reenable them because they are actually needed, or not at all, please. --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think they're generally a good idea. Terribly sorry that you disagree. -- 18:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd have to agree with Pcj, if people don't want to see them, thats why there's a hide option on them. 19:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, really? I have never seen a hide option on a TOC. --Eirik Ratcatcher 22:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ...yeah, they're there. And you can always disable the TOCs completely through preferences. -- 22:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That may be my only recourse, because, as I implied, I do not see such an option on the TOCs displayed for me. I do, though, stand by my original statement, that TOCs should be used where useful, not simply be a default.  --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC) -Edit:And yes, I recognize that definitions of 'useful' vary. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Cenarion Reservist's Legguards (hunter)
Thanks! I was having trouble figuring out how to use |disambigpage= and I wasn't sure who to bother with my question. ;) I'll fix the others too. --  19:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Plans: Ornate Mithril Gloves
I will await the foxbot revision, then most likely revert at least part of the page. You did not state any reason for scheduling Plans: Ornate Mithril Gloves for foxbotting either initially, or in your revert of my edit. The boilerplate page mentioned in the foxbot notice statement displays only the tooltip, and so is disregarded.

Please state a reason for foxbotting pages that have been hand-edited. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He's part of skynet, soon everything will be done by machines, muahahahaha.... *cough* ... *walks away*. 20:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe that's why I have Raymond Scott music running through my head... --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

BC mage stamina gear vs Mage Gear for Tanking Krosh Firehand
OK well you reverted the title back to the old one but that doesn't address my initial concern that the title doesn't necessarily make sense for what the article is about. It is a list of gear which has stamina but it is, more to the point, specifically about one boss encounter. What would you suggest the title should be then? 'Mage gear for tanking Krosh Firehand' would be better IMHO. My apologies for the capitalization preferences of the site. --Bobbuddha 00:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The list is useful for any mage looking for gear with a lot of stamina. If you want to address the High King fight more directly, perhaps put the introduction on a separate page. -- 00:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well if you look at the first draft it was about Krosh from the start: || page history Bobbuddha 00:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My note on your talk page explains why it was moved back. The article could stand to be generalized, but other than the Krosh fight, when do we need to worry about stamina gear? -- k _d3 00:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, perhaps for some mage who wants to be a little less squishy? I'm not a mage, so I'm not sure if stamina is really useful in PvP or whatever. -- 00:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly my point, this page is about making a tanking set for a mage for a single raid encounter and this set would have no use anywhere else. A Mage PvP gear page might be slick but this ain't it, besides it would be real short: Gladiator's Regalia. I do intend to make a separate page about the strat from the tanking mage perspective. I am the tanking mage for my guild, and the last two times I've done it they were one-shots so I do speak from experience. Now one could remove the Krosh specifics and just make it one big table of gear, make the strat page and link to the table page, I just think it would be redundant. I doubt you will find any links to this page other than from High King Maulgar or Krosh Firehand pages. This is 'how to prepare ahead of time' page for Krosh, not an actual strat per-se. Bobbuddha 00:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK then. -- 01:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you Pcj for correcting me on that policy faux pas on my part! And thank you for the welcome! DYBoulet 12:20 22 January 2008 (Atlantic Time)

Since thanks are being given, thank you for your several and various demotion of H1 headers to H2 headers in pages I'd worked on. Sad thing is, my memory throws up that I used H2 headers. No idea whatsoever why e.g. Engineering proficiencies had H1 headers. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Figured i'd put this here, beneath your other award thing, but this is for all the cool stuff you've done here. -- 21:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess I'll make an awards section now. -- 21:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Tagging for Laurlybot
Please search for NPCs and others if they even exists or has existed before you tag them for Laurlybot. I've put for example Commander Helleran, Firemane Guard and Berthold the Doorman on speedydelete. -- 10:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Heroic Shattered Halls
I have done them, I just forgot about that badge. Thanks for the catch! --Tiwuno 01:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the icons
I've probably got a few more letters to add from that particular chain, but whether I can easily put the icons on or not depends on where I edit from. Thanks! --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding templates to other user's pages...
Yea, don't know why I did, just got bored, thought it was kind of funny for someone to use the template, if they only had like 10 edits... that aren't even current. Was about to sign off for the night, till I saw you undo my addition... and knew you would say something on my talk page so I waited. But you're right, I should have offered it to you, not forced it upon you. Sorry, Goodnight. 06:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

speedydelete Reign of the Horde guild stub
If I expand the article so it's not a stub by WP:GUILD anymore, can I just remove the SD tag or should I wait for administrator reaction? ~ 22:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just remove the tag. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fix it and remove the SD tag. -- 22:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Tad unsure about the objectivity, though. If the "RotH way" bit is too much, I'll remove it. ~ 11:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ajax RC bug
When I filter by namespace, and precede to click, ajax RC returns to the normal RC view, and I'm not delivered to the page I requested either. This is with enhanced changes. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, it occurs whenever I filter, regardless of whether I click or not. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed. Cache refresh and try again. -- 22:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about that, it wont happen again.--Keladrin 22:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong talk page. But thankyou for the response. 22:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

LoadArmoryData.php
(1) We need to add local cache. This script is gonna fetch the same xml over and over. (2) What's the licence of the armory data? Are we allowed to use their stuff? -- Nef (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding the license, I don't know the exact conditions - but I do know they purposely made it available for this type of stuff. 01:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you want me to work with you on the cache, I can, I guess, but I don't really know what you need and I'm not that great with PHP (the script I have was made with a lot of help) - but caching the data is fine. And the license, I've got the same sentiment Kirkburn has; there doesn't seem to be much discussion regarding licensing published by Blizzard, and there are other sites (like http://www.wowjutsu.com) which pull data from the Armory, and have for a while without being told to stop.  I can check on that if needed. -- 01:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, why don't we stick to our strengths then? You do wow magic, I do php part. Deal? (-;
 * Housekeeping: Guys, may we move to my user talk page with this discussion? Or could you at least ping me there if you comment here? I'm not wow contributor so we'd rather rely on MW talk reminders, not my memory...
 * Pcj, could you tell me how does your project compare to OpenWDB? In the broadest possible sense please. No technical approach. Just what you want to solve / achieve vs. what is Adys' goal? -- Nef (talk) 08:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on User talk:Ppiotr. -- 12:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed...
that you welcomed me a few months ago. So, a belated thanks to you :o)! Conker87 (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

apologies
A misunderstanding, in the process of moving these pages... WoWWiki-Popeye (talk) 04:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It should all be working now. I had thought 'portal' was part of the coding that made it work not part of the address for the page. These pages should now be correctly saved under sandboxes within my own username to be put up to the server pages when they are complete. Thanks for your help. WoWWiki-Popeye (talk) 06:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Foxbot on tooltips
Foxbot has been ignoring/removing 'create' tags on Plans/recipes/patterns. Is this expected/desired behavior? I was looking up Plans: Barbaric Iron Gloves when I encountered the most recent example. As you put the tag there, you might want to check into this. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Armory appears to have become lame as far as recipes go... -- 18:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

AotDQ Kara Groups
In regards to this page, reason given was "only meant for members of the guild." I am a member of the guild and everyone listed are also members of the guild. --Kunzite1 (talk) 23:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on User talk:Kunzite1. -- 00:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks?
I see that you edited some templates in my sandbox page, but not sure what you did? 02:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I cleaned up links to some of the instance pages and fixed some spelling mistakes. -- 02:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I see.LOL I thought you were doing some cool hover tooltip thing.    03:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Spelllink excorism?
It looks like you are exorcising the Spelllink template. I can't say that I'm sorry to see it go. a) Does foxbot still use spelllink?  b) how goes the war? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting rid of the entire Spell: pseudo-namespace as well. I don't think Foxbot ever used Spelllink. Still a lot left to do. -- 18:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Pop links
How so? --Sky (t · c · w) 17:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The question was referencing "how did it break your JS"? --Sky (t · c · w) 18:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Take it easy mon. I did it because I asked Kirk about it and he said it was alright to do so. The value of the "popular links" box has always been questionable, and with most people using monaco, there was little point to keeping it on wowwiki, I felt. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

AbilityTip
Hiya, Pcj. I had to "undo" your "clean-up". After you set things back from my input, "Instant sec cast" started showing up all over the place. However, I did see that you caught my zero mistake (also for Instant), AND ... basically, I can see why you objected to the noincludes in the first place. I'm sorry: I saw this kind of technique in Ose's work and fell in love with it. It was really cool to see the changes as I previewed them, and I left that in when I shipped to live. (Again, counter-policy, and I know.)

Just one thing I'm still not agreeing with, and am struggling to understand. Why remove the spacing? I felt I had been careful to prevent spacing from affecting the behavior of the template, and was strongly of the belief that any extra HTML produced was invisible in the end result. My mind screams in terror when I see a single paragraph of script, and I know I'm not alone. For the sake of future editors (yes, myself included), could you please leave that much?

You have my esteem. 07:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The only place where extra spacing doesn't show up is in comment tags. You had some outside the comment tags. -- 13:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Elpaladin
User:Elpaladin "does not know" why she? was banned, and keeps awarding himself with golden kobold, could you talk to him? Kesmana (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He wasn't banned. -- 15:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

thats too bad. he deleted delete templates and made insulting article Kesmana (talk) 15:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen anything like that, but I will be watching him closely. -- 15:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

i understand, that page has been deleted Kesmana (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

i mean Inunes page, you know, not that user:Inunes that came 5 minutes after that....Kesmana (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Fransonic
Finally the vandalism of Fransonic has stopped. Thanks ;) RealmS (talk) 17:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the page revert. =) 19:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion
Hiya, I can not locate discussion or more information on a deleted stub article in these comments (nor on the original deleted page.) Article was a guild stub containing guild policies which would appear to be permitted under WP:GUILD quote --brief description of guild policies-- allowed, in an objective manner, namely its formal bylaws. There doesn't appear to be a prohibition on stub articles for guilds. Can discussion or rationale be posted on the deletion? Can't learn without information. Thanks! User:inflammadamma
 * Article was a guild subpage which falls under WP:GUILD policy, that is, only brief summary of guild policies allowed. Not an entire listing of guild bylaws.  Guild stubs will be deleted if not fixed per "Enforcing the policy" in WP:GUILD. -- 17:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, brief is a relative concept. The bylaws we posted were but a portion of full guild policies. Brief in your estimation, would be, perhaps, how many lines of text? Give me a guideline, I'll stick to it. Inflammadamma (talk) 18:01, 28 June 2008 (UTC)Inflammadamma
 * Brief in this sense would be closer to the Guild rules section of the boilerplate. -- 18:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's brief alright. Being a grandma, I know I tend to get long-winded. Thanks for the clarification! Inflammadamma
 * Thanks for being reasonable, if you need the content restored so you can condense it, I will. And let me know if you need anything else. -- 18:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

AWD external links comment
Noticed you were adding a fairly sizable comment to (many) pages about Elink suitability and use. Could you point me to the origin of your quest to add it? (IE who said we need it, and why-for?) Only two comments:  1) has the comment been added to the applicable boilerplates as well?  (I feel it should.)  2) creating pages from scratch, this comment is an encumbrance unlikely to be continued. As such, I feel it has only limited utility. But similarly, the need for it to be in the boilerplate. I know that *I* am a lazy sod, and won't simply type it in out of the goodness of my heart... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:BR, looks like Tekkub added it. Might make a template which you can subst in to external links sections. -- 20:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * * amused* I had not realized quite how many pages I'd edited/watched until I have seen my watch list - not just recent changes - completely spammed... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank's for help with Alchemy
Good afternoon, just wanted to say thank you for helping fix a couple minor mistakes I made on the alchemy pages and filling in a couple needed articles that I was linking to. Ddcorkum (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

See also: Thanks
Thanks for your work on the plethora of See Also templates. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent Changes AJAX
Hi Pcj. I was wondering how WoWWiki has the recent changes AJAX that allows it to refresh automatically? I put previous code that did this in a few wikis, though the box no longer shows up on them now and I was wondering if maybe the code needs an update or something.--Richard 17:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There was a change a few weeks back that means it needs an update - see wikia:User:Kirkburn/global.js for the latest version (it should work). 17:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia link
Why was Template:Wikipedia deleted? —MJBurrage(T•C) 22:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rolled into wplink and moved to External links sections. Ask Kirkburn for details. -- 22:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Humor article on Shaman PVP
Deletion was fair enough, content does exist. :) I'd like to make it noted that the wow community forums delete articles in a pattern I cannot determine (last access?) and this one is rather old.  I'll archive it myself until which point it is no longer available on the forums.  --BobClown (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleton of Category:TheramoreRP
Can I ask why you deleted my category page? I did all that writing... The least you could have done is warned me before getting rid of it, so I could save it. :/ 16:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not how we do category pages, and fiction of that nature belongs in your user or server namespace. I've put your content in User:Cierran/TheramoreRP. -- 16:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Page incorrectly deleted
"17:26, 9 July 2008 Pcj (Talk | contribs) deleted 'Guild:Redefined (Blackrock US)' ‎ (disbanded guild) " This guild is not disbanded. If possible, please restore the page. Carrington (talk) 07:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done -- 12:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Tooltips in other wiki's
Hi Pcj! Can i use your great tooltips in wowwiki on other languages or in other wiki? If yes, can you explain what i should change in .js code? Thanks! :) kimurin (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the code is released under the GFDL. It can be a bit complex to set up, however. So if you want, I can make some example changes on your wiki to get you started or guide you through it on IRC. -- 17:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

AWB failure
For whatever reason, Mechanical Dragonling had external links on H3 instead of H2. Your automated edit thus triggered on ="== External links=="= and inserted before the last "=". :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good catch, but it's not like that process is ongoing. If you see them fix them, not much else to do about it now. -- 20:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Wrath of the Lich King beta version of loot JS?
Hey Pcj, now that loot uses JS for the DB links, I don't know how to make a WotLK beta version similar to the elinks-*/wotlk we have. What do you suggest? Should another loot template be made or is there some clever way to tell the JS in a modified version of the current template to use wotlk.wowhead.com/ and thottbot.com/wotlk/? Also, until the Armory and Allakhazam get WotLK beta DBs we've been hiding them. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 11:01 AM PST 6 Aug 2008
 * I'm not a big fan of creating a template you know you'll have to edit back when the item databases merge in all the WotLK data to their main database (as happened with elinks). Really, we should just add an extra parameter to the existing templates (|introduced=WotLK or something) for situations like this.  Also, I don't think the Armory will do a WotLK beta DB. -- 18:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How much work would it be to support a  or maybe   parameter in the loot template? I don't even know where the JS lives for loot. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]]  Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:27 PM PST 7 Aug 2008
 * It won't be that hard and is in my personal queue of things to do. -- 01:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is now implemented. -- 16:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thanks a bunch. I will tell people on the Village Pump. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:50 PM PST 9 Aug 2008

Muja
So is there some way to prevent the text in Muja to be at the bottom because you moved the picture of her pet? It looks kinda werid and stuff =/ --Mistertrouble189 (talk) 21:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Text looks fine to me. If you have a screenshot or something that shows it being really weird, I'll look at it. But it's fine. -- 21:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Like when I went on page, it was next to the pet picture so it looked like there was a lot of space between the top of the page and the text. but I just redid something so is it better now?--Mistertrouble189 (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks the same to me... -- 22:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you do your JS magic on the NPC template?
Could you add support for  to the NPC template as well? I think mob will pick it up automatically, because it just passes stuff on to NPC. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 3:10 PM PST 18 Aug 2008
 * -- 13:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * -- 13:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * -- 13:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Working on a Template
Hey, I noticed you reverted my template back to my namespace, which is fine, but I am very interested in the hover tooltip code you've contributed. Is there an FAQ/tutorial to applying it to new templates? I was hoping to make my template have popups that show which boss the guild/player is on if they cursor over the partial and heroic partial icons. (Default of course would be no popup if nothing is entered.

I know I'd have to add more variables, but if you could point me in the right direction, I think I could figure it out. 05:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You should check out Quicktooltip. First parameter is where you put the text/icon, second parameter is where you put what pops up. -- 12:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! And I know you probably get this all the time, but your system is simply revolutionary. 14:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I get the Quicktooltip, so next time you have a second, can you answer this?

I'm trying to make a mechanic on my tooptip so that it works similar to the mob or npc templates, where it displays a picture and name without need for an image field. I want it to work like the npc code: if you scroll over, the boss's picture and name are displayed. How do I pull this from the character using only the name, like on the other two templates I mentioned?

I'm trying to get it to work on this one: User:Omniferous/Part. When you scroll over the icon, it should, like I said before, display a picture and name. Any ideas? 15:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To do that, you will have to pass the instance and the boss they're on as parameters to /Part. -- 15:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that, but once they are there, how can I pull up the image itself without knowing the name used in the article, like the NPC template does? 15:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest liberal use of . -- 15:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just a neophyte at wiki code... Is there a page I could look at that would explain the codes to me? I only learned what I have by copying things out of other templates then experimenting in my sandbox. Suffice to say... I have no idea what does. XD. I catch onto code pretty quick and I have experience in Visual Basic, Java, and C#, so if I could get an API I'd be much obliged.  15:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * metawikipedia:Help:ParserFunctions -- 15:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, but I'm not clear as to how switch will help me make the image pop up like it does in the npc template. I think it has to do with the span class 'npclink' or db (database?), based off my examination of the npc template's code. Can you explain your idea more explicitly? Or maybe I didn't explain what I was trying to do correctly. What I want to do is, having passed the name of the boss that the guild is on to /part, when someone scrolls over the icon, I want it to pop up as if they had scrolled over a character linked through the npc template (without the location and level, since those are also items passed through npc, which I don't think are important for this template). 16:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You will either have to store all that information in your template via switch or retrieve the information using a custom JS script similarly to how npc works. -- 16:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I eventually just used JS script based heavily off the design of npc. In the end, I couldn't get tooltips to appear when cursoring over the icon, but I just made it so that the word 'partial' functions as the link text. 19:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Amphitheater of Anguish event
Didn't know where else to ask. I saw you deleted a page with this title before while i was trying to contribute some information on it and wanted to ask why was that so before attempting to recreate it. (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't see that you made any edits on the page. The page was deleted per WP:STUB and WP:DNP. You can recreate it as long as it's not created as an empty page. -- 13:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Template Engineer
Good day, Pcj. You have my attention; I've renewed my application to the template engineers. Whatcha got in mind? :-) 06:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

AJAX RC Script
Hi, I'm having difficulty implementing your AJAX Recent Changes script, not only for me, but for all of FunOrb Wiki. Could you help me set that up? I'm an administrator, so I can edit things if needed. -- Bigd56 &#124;  Talk  03:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Try putting the code you have in your personal global JS (which doesn't work except from Central Wikia) and put it in Common.js. -- 03:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Unintended functionality?
Hope you're having a nice vacation. Bug report: The script runs once upon opening Special:recentchanges. Obviously, I don't have the tick mark checked. Fx 3.0.2 on Vista. What's up? --Sky (t · c · w) 22:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed when the cache catches up. -- 22:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of the guildpage Dragonsbane - Dragonblight (EU)
I have a question.

Why is our guild page deleted? It makes no sense to delete our page to our guild because we are still an active guild. Compared to the guilds who allready died, split up, disbanned etc.

Next to it, there was no warning either on deletion of our page. My question is why? And we arent spamming either with commercial stuff or some kind.

Atm our officers are kind off upset for losing our own guildpage.

Especially because we are an active guild on the server.

I hope it can be cleared up. Looking forward to your answer

Feralis

Senator of the guild Dragonsbane (Dragonblight (EU))
 * Refer to WP:GUILD. -- 15:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the respond

I see not a firm reason for the deletion, (maybe I differ on  opinion in that one) but I guess we have to set up a new page then. The website was removed as well, while it is a active website link.

I shall set it up as followed by the guild policy rules, tho I have to say it feels a bit that a three year old guild (and that is what we are) are getting punished by some policy management.

I know policies has to be followed, but this deletion was not over the rules of wiki 's policy, if it was spamm, I would agree, if we where inactive/ disbanned guild I would totally agree.

Maybe we shall make it a bit more informative, I have to say we are the biggest guild on the server and active. Not something you wanna oversee on the wiki page. If you could do something for us. Can you make our link active again, our website link is still active and being looked over and over again, I shall write by the book then a guild page. But making our website link on the guildpage inactive had no reason as well.

I hope I dont come over like an attack, I think you guys do a good job, like I said I differ on opinion a bit. I am a bit suprised by this deletion.

Feralis
 * Guild:Dragonsbane (Dragonblight EU) has been restored. Please make sure it complies with WP:GUILD or it will be deleted again. -- 15:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Template Dull
Why did you remove the Template Dull? - I had just put it there and was using it - so I did not have to keep typing Text to appear dull all the time -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 16:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Font is deprecated in XHTML 4.0, plus assigning a color which is not skin-independent is generally bad. -- 17:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, evidently i don't know the procedure for templates :)
Sorry about that. About the moving back and forth of Alexstrasza's template pages didn't know you were moving them too :)

Meinemitternacht (talk) 15:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

itemid
I noticed that you took the itemid= out of the tooltip data for A Jubling's Tiny Home. Is itemid= in the tooltip now deprecated? If it is, it makes sense. The only place where I know it is used is in the elinks. Where is this sort of 'how things are done' change published? Madkaugh (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Itemid was never used in tooltip and was never a valid parameter. -- 22:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh. I saw it widely used and was adding them based on the examples. I'll remove them when I see them. Madkaugh (talk) 14:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you recently added an itemid to a tooltip: . Is this now a valid parameter? Madkaugh (talk) 03:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry. We discussed it and there may be use for it in the future. -- 03:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Ajax RC question
Hi, Kirkburn pointed me to you for my question, so here goes. With the ajax rc, is it possible to enable it by default, without having to click the tickbox on every new wiki you go to? Thanks for your time :)-- Eulalia Talk 04:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The AJAX RC is only set up for WoWWiki. If you're putting it in your global.js, of course you can change that so it's on by default. -- 12:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Armor Set Look Alikes (Purple Judgement Armor Set and other Detail Article Deletions)
I have a question concerning recent changes and then deletions to the Armor Set Lookalike pages. I, and other people use the set pages as a reference on those armor sets. They appear to be complete and provide more than just the cursory information that the root page (the page that lists ALL of the sets in a long list) provides such as individual statistics, total statistics, etc. Previously the article was modified by a user to simply redirect to the root list of all the sets of armor. I changed this back (assuming it's a free wiki for people to modify within the rules) so that people could access the page. The next day I noticed that not only was the link taken away from the root list, but the Purple Judgement Set Details page was competed deleted, by the same user that created the redirect. Is it common to delete articles on this wiki? I am just wondering what the reasoning is for completely deleting something useful (as well as the other lookalike set detail pages) from a public wiki? Once it's deleted the article is gone so if the community changes its mind or decides it wants that article, there's no returning it. Is the wiki running low on storage space?

Thank You... CyberNigma (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a real set, the page was incorrectly named, and the information on the page was out of date. Finally, there is no information presented there regarding the individual items that cannot be discovered from Set look alikes. -- 20:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh, I agree on it not being a real set, as the root still says Set Look Alikes, but even not being a real set, it was something that people sought out as a set. Almost all of the armor is actually out of date with 3.0.2 changes to many or the primary stats.  Is the wiki really that strict on whether a set has to be a real '1/x Set'?  I would think look alikes are their own category.  As far as the second part of the response, as I mentioned previously, it's really about having a convenient page showing all of the details of what most people will seek out as a set, whether for RP, looks, use, whatever it may be.  I'm not a rules lawyer, but that seems fairly reasonable. ? I'm not being argumentative, I'm just not understanding the strictness of something such as that. Maybe it's okay to have it grouped together and not be an official set if people are looking for it.  I think it was blizzard's intention to introduce the pieces as  an unofficial set, otherwise they wouldn't have carefully recolored the Judgement Set, made the pieces related to each other and placed them in the game (with every piece included) ? I would suggest that instead of calling them say, for example, Purple Judgement Set -> Purpe Judgement Armor and still have a details page for it in which people looking for (again, the same example) the Purple Judgement Armor (for RP or as a healing 'set') can look it up in one place.  It doesn't confuse anyone and I imagine it doesn't take up much space.  ?  CyberNigma (talk) 21:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw your other comment, and I won't add anything more on that page. For the most part, it's about convenience and detail being in one spot (why most of us come to a wiki in the first place). I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make? CyberNigma (talk) 21:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, that seems fine. I've restored the page to Purple Judgement armor. -- 21:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for listening (I hope that's the case and you don't just want me to shut up :-). I hope you understand what I was trying to say - I figure the best way to make the wiki better is to try to reasonably convince you and not complain or insult as is also common on some sites.  I look at wowhead, which I use sometimes as well and they merely list the pieces and stats in the comments.  It's things like that which keep many of us preferring the wiki here over that :-)  One more off topic.  I just recently disabled javascript for your site in firefox (via noscript).  Something about the tooltips is sometimes causing firefox to lock up completely.  It's only very recently that has happened. CyberNigma (talk) 21:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I'll see if I can find anything. -- 21:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Confused about Tooltips
So Category talk:Pages which may need their tooltip template updated still has no description, so I'm still confused why it's flagged on Fool For Love, even though that page is not an item. So should I just ignore the aforementioned tooltip?

Also since I clearly added the Achievement tooltip idea in the wrong place, should I repost somewhere else? Thanks! -Howbizr (talk) 01:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You should ignore the category if you don't know what needs to be done. I recommend posting on the village pump about your achievement tooltip. -- 01:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Achievement issue
See Template_talk:Achievement to see what I mean by broken. It still looked broken even when I did "reward=Test" on the old more simple example. -Howbizr (talk) 18:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks fine. -- 18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

need template for TCG
Hello, I want to ask you to help me.

I want to add to wiki all WOW TCG with images and discription. Can You create the template, which would look as the table?


 * 1 - preffer to use or
 * 2 - type can be Ally, Hero, Item, Weapon, Armor, Quest, Ability
 * 3 - for example Human Palladin or Protection, etc
 * 4 - for example 191/361, etc

Thank, You --QuazaR (talk) 10:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll think about it. -- 16:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank You. If you create the template, please, write on my talk page --QuazaR (talk) 09:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Category
Do you mind if I resurrect the category later then? I was intending to flag a bunch of articles but I ran out of time before work. The cat was to go along with that other subcat (which I see has been deleted as well, so I forget what it's called now). -Howbizr (talk) 14:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter as long as it's named properly. -- 14:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
I just wanted to thank you for sorting out the problem with that page vandal. I know you're pretty busy, so I just wanted to say I appreciate it. Qia (talk) 00:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion and a Thanks
I want to thank you for checking out on the guy who was reverting edits on our realm progress page without using Talk. But now I have an interesting question.

I know we can put tooltips on items, npcs, etc, but is there a way to put a tooltip in the "MM/DD/YY" format on say, a single letter?

The reason I ask is because our realm is looking for an elegant solution to the problem of indicating when the boss kills were made for each boss in each guild in the upcoming expansion.

I'm no wowwiki expert, but I think this sort of thing isn't available right now because it uses JS and JS can be used maliciously when you give people the ability to put whatever they want in them. However, if there already is a preset Item template and whatnot, would it be possible to implement a ##/##/## format for a tooltip?

Also, if you just have any good ideas that can be used on a page setup like Server:Aerie Peak US/Level 70 raid Progression (where every boss has a letter representing it) to indicate the date for each boss in each guild's row, I'd love to hear them. Anasmira, Conqueror of Formatting (talk) 00:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for the info. Anasmira, Conqueror of Formatting (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Text Colors
Is there a "better" (some kind of wiki markup) way to change text color than HTML font tags?

Anasmira, Conqueror of Formatting (talk) 08:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not really. Except you should use div or span instead of font. -- 13:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Question about guild pages
Not sure if this is the proper place to ask. I had the Lighter Thieves guild listed, with a quick summary of the guild following the suggested format. Was there a reason it was deleted? None seemed to be given in the deletion log. Rejuvyn (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:GUILD. -- 16:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

ArtGnomeWarlock
Image:ArtGnomeWarlock.jpg was part of the Warlock Featured Article section on the Main Page. May you please undelete it?-- 21:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Element Zero
Hi,

Element Zero is my guilds name and we have edited this page before. Why has it been removed and locked?

The image that was uploaded is an image I created....

What is the problem and how can I edit this page going forward?

Tailz. --EzTailz (talk) 01:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Gadgets extension
Btw, we know have the ability to (turn on and) use mw:Extension:Gadgets. Think it would be useful? 12:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Darkmoon Fortune Teller
Thank you for fixing the infobox! I couldn't see what kept making the red image link appear.--Mistertrouble189 (talk) 23:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Faction is for Horde, Alliance, or Neutral. Use repfaction for others. -- 23:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:Table
Are you aware that when you removed the template Table, it has rendered a lot of pages unreadable with ? sanderdolphin 19:04, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- 20:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Red links
I thought I would ask here since there are 100 articles or more and I would have to repeat myself. I was looking at Category:NPC stubs and saw many, many articles with no info but a stub. I thought we weren't supposed to create red link pages with no info just to add a stub? I remember I created a few and was told not to, and even got banned one time for ommenting on the talk page of a red link page. Now I see around 100 articles with the same thing. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 03:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it. -- 12:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you identify some of the trouble ones? -- 21:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok here are a few I found yesterday before I stopped looking. I am guessing this is a small sample only since I only looked under the letters D, R, S, and W as I sort of skipped around to see if it was everywhere. Defias Strip Miner‎, Defias Overseer, Wailer, Spirit of Kolk‎, Risen Husk‎, and Shimmerwing Moth‎. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 04:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry man
Didn't mean to vandalise, sorry about that, even though I was the one who made the 'Cult & groups directed by the scourge' thing, I was jusy trying to make that page as good possible.. Like I said, jus' trying help

Vandal(s)
Could you check out Server:Frostmane US and any other edits by the one or more vandals who are messing things up currently? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 05:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Mechanized Snow Goggles
It's safe to go take another look at them, including the disambig page. Let me know if you see particular flaws. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

santaclaw
can i put this name on the dath remar server fame list because lots of people Know him
 * Create the page as a subpage of the server page if he's a character on the server, and you can link to it from the server. See WP:PC. -- 22:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

frost dwarf image
i see you reverted it again, i had gotten into a discussion already, and the version i uploaded is a updated version of my old one, i just woke up today to see that my old frost dwarf icon image was changed with basicly a copy of the earthen icon just blue. It bothers me because i wasnt told about it neither but not just that, i have it uploaded to my user page and im not fond of having someone elses image at my page. if you still think its bad i wont argue, i have a much much better icon on my computer but if i change it to a .gif image the color image will get distorted.-- 00:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism
Erm, hey, not sure how to report vandalism by others, but Dodosu remade a whole page into a single line, as you can see if you search his contributions, thanks TherasTaneel (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

oh, never mind, I've seen you've allready done something about it, thanks again. TherasTaneel (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * for future reference, you can add vandals to Wowpedia:Violations. 22:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Guild page deleted, not sure why
Hi Pcj, our guild page at Guild:Jesters_(Silvermoon_US) was deleted and I see some others came here for reasons when this happened to them. The page was recently updated to reflect the expansion release so I believe it was current. The format I copied from another guild's progress page a while back, and the page was on the brief side. I tried to keep biased information out, etc. Did I do something wrong here? I 'watch' the page for changes and wasn't warned before this occurred. Our image was also removed. Thanks, Chaws (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Stubbed for 30 days, was not categorized properly per WP:GUILD. -- 21:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, I was missing 2 lines at the bottom. I don't see many hits through to our web site from this domain so we can probably do without a guild page here hehe.  Thanks for your help. Chaws (talk) 22:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Can you look here and here. There are two links on Kirkburn's page as well that are relevant. Any help in this endeavor would be appreciated. Rappy talk  20:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (Sorry for forwarding people to you a lot, but I can't really answer their questions as well as you when it comes to JS!) 20:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure he enjoys the attention =) Rappy talk  20:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded on my local talk page. Rappy talk  16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, just a tag letting you know I have responded on my local talk page. Rappy talk  07:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Same as above... Rappy talk  01:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Portal namespace is in effect. I believe all that needs to be in place is the .js code. Rappy talk  18:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Rappy talk  04:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Template Zone Map
Hi, first I would like to say that you (and your friends) have done wonders with the wowwiki-page! I would like to ask you if you could help us with a javascript. You have a template called Zone Map and its nice and simple(?) enough for me to understand. Would it be possible to ask you to help inplant it on another game wikia? And if so, how do we start? Morteus (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Image fixed
Hi, I'm just catching up on some old bug reports... I don't know if you saw, but the thumbnails of Image:INV Jewelry Ring 54.png now work. -- sannse (talk) 13:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Armor Images
Is there an easy way to browse through image icons already on WoWWiki when updating/adding armor pages? I can never seem to find the icons for armor. What should I search? -- Aegyl 16:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Guild page deleted by you?!?
Hi I added my guild to the wowwiki in hopes of getting people to come sign up and post our forthgoing progress but the page was deleted with no reason given can you please inlighten me the page was

http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Guild:Order_of_the_BuffaloHead_%28Alexstrasza_US%29&action=edit&redlink=1

thanks
 * It was a guild stub. See WP:GUILD. -- 18:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Issue regarding tooltips
Good day sir, I've spent two days now in an attempt to get your tooltips script to function, and so far, I've had little success. When I tried loading the wiki I am editing into Internet Explorer, I got JavaScript syntax errors. I changed the references to our wiki (criticalstrikepress.com/cspwiki) from wowpedia.org, but it did not help.

Is there any extension dependency that I may be unaware of?

My thanks, in advance. -Abdalazrad (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you tell me the errors you are getting, it would help me assess your problem. -- 17:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Line: 2 Char: 1 Error: Syntax error Code: 0 URL: http://www.criticalstrikepress.com/cspwiki/index.php?title=(any page name here)
 * So far as I know, there were no errors until I tried to use your scripts, so that's why I'm wondering if there's an extension I might be missing. -Abdalazrad (talk) 17:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Your wiki software appears to be returning invalidly formatted JS. There is no required extension. -- 18:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Deleted further text in order to get back to the important topic. The site issues have been resolved by the IT.  Still, the JScript doesn't seem to work, could you look it over and see if I missed something please? --Abdalazrad (talk) 02:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This link isn't working. -- 02:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the typos in the reference to MediaWiki:Tooltips.js so that it's now the proper address, but I seem to be having issues in regards to the following section:

function parseText(nArr) { hideTipNonCache(0); //Check to see if the XmlHttpRequests state is finished. var tip = document.getElementById('tfb'); if (getRequest.readyState == 4) { if (getRequest.responseText) { if (getRequest.responseText.indexOf("multival_action")==-1) { eval("rawText = "+getRequest.responseText+";"); <-- this part is where Mozilla points particularly tip.innerHTML = ttError("item"); ... }
 * Do I need to have any kind of extension for XML parsing, or perhaps a JS file I'm not aware of? --Abdalazrad (talk) 03:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Change:
 * to
 * -- 03:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for THAT fix, that's got the tooltips showing up. The only problem is...  The tooltips are returning error messages, saying the page doesn't exist.  Damn.  Here's an example. --Abdalazrad (talk) 03:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The code is actually working as intended, if you have any red text (broken links) at all in the tooltip it won't show the tooltip to avoid corruption. Upload the image in the tooltip and create the pages. -- 03:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Uploaded the image, the pages already existed. There's no missing refs as far as I can tell. Here, Here, and here.  But it still doesn't load the tooltip, just shows an error. --Abdalazrad (talk) 05:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it should be working...it should only be showing that if it finds class=\"new\" in this data. I'll have to think about it. -- 05:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Change:
 * to
 * -- 05:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Success! Thanks.  Here's to hoping for no issues in the future with it.  =p   --Abdalazrad (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * to
 * -- 05:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Success! Thanks.  Here's to hoping for no issues in the future with it.  =p   --Abdalazrad (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Success! Thanks.  Here's to hoping for no issues in the future with it.  =p   --Abdalazrad (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Guild Page
Hello,

I have been watching our servers page and the link for my guild page has been removed for some reason and the site is now locked. Anychance you could let me know what's up?

http://www.wowpedia.org/Server:Malygos_US

Thanks so much,

Tang
 * Fixed. -- 20:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so very much!! Tangall

Minimalist
Alright, trying to look through the code for the tool tips is kind of difficult. Because it's not commented, a lot of it is unreadable for me. I'm trying to create my own templates to use with the tool tips code, but I've come to a snag. So I was wondering.

What is the MINIMUM/REQUIRED information needed to have something successfully linkable? Like, what [tags/funcs/args/etc] are needed so that the tooltip function doesn't just return an error message? --Abdalazrad (talk) 08:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Pcj/simple.js -- 14:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies, but, does it look for a class/id by the name of "simpletfb" on pages it's linked to display as a tooltip? And the span needs to be "tttc"?  I'd rather make sure before I try any kind of editing of this code, so that I don't end up having to start fresh.
 * To be honest, what I was looking for was a small list of required attributes of the code we spent days getting to work, because that interface already works and doesn't require starting over. Thanks for your patience.  --Abdalazrad (talk) 20:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not sure what you're looking for. -- 20:55, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. Let's say we create a template and a tooltip page.  One to be the tooltip link, and the other to be the tooltip displayed.  We'll name them Template:Linktest, and Tiptest.
 * First here.

|


 * And here.

Hur hur hur


 * And then we link this altogether on the Sandbox page...


 * And all we generate is an error because "The target item's page does not have a properly formatted tooltip."
 * So as you can see... It wants something, but I don't know what it wants...  --Abdalazrad (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Match the above conditions in your tooltips or remove the statement. -- 21:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, will do. But what is qc?  Is that like quality colour?  Apologies. --Abdalazrad (talk) 21:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, will do. But what is qc?  Is that like quality colour?  Apologies. --Abdalazrad (talk) 21:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Good guidance - thanks so much
Will start working on the page you suggested. Please smack my nose if I go off course. I'm a noob :-) color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 20:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If I wanted to create a directory of other guides, with perhaps reviews of each guide off that page (good and bad points) is that a reasonable thing to do? My other thought is that some guide pages have a "Commercial Guides" section where I could place it color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 20:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Responded on local user talk page. -- 21:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See what you think of this so far: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Guides&diff=next&oldid=1746506 and http://www.wowpedia.org/Wow_game_guides  color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 21:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Any naming suggestions for the page would be great.  RE: patch mirrors, I see what you're saying, maybe a brief summary for each link?  I could start with a few and hope others get involved too?  color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 21:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Rolndius unblocked
I unblocked Rolandius. Pcj, you are also violating the process by not consultng Sky before acting against Rolandius. See User_talk:Rolandius/Archive3
 * Sky2042 will be your only admin source of contact; the other admins will work with Sky if any problems arise or if Sky requests their help. All admins should be aware of this - if you encounter any problems, talk to Sky about it. This does not mean admins - or others - cannot edit your contributions appropriately; simply that no action should be taken against you without consulting Sky.

Please do not apply the rules arbitrarily without consulting Sky or at least Kirkburn. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 4:55 PM PST 29 Jan 2009

Me again
All the portals are done, everything should be set except the .js, so anytime you have a chance, it would be appreciated. Rappy talk  08:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)