Wowpedia talk:List of race icons/Archive01

Stuff
Thank you Varghedin,I saw you`re page when I was doing this.Thank you!-- 21:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

God I lost controll of my page,Also who put the WoWWiki before the page name??-- 17:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * First time editing a wiki? --Pcj (T&bull;C) 17:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

No because someone changed this long ago.Just who did it.-- 17:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sky moved it. In any case, sorry for all the edit conflicts :P It's a great page! 17:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.And it`s ok.And Thank you!-- 18:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Should we keep fel orcs under demons, it even says that the main un-demonic army of the Legion was Fel orcs Mr.X8 00:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

They`ve bean corrupted so yes.-- 01:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It says they're non demonic so I'm not too convinced, I won't changed it however. Mr.X8 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Lyer,you just did!If there in humanoid then you might as well put satyr in too...*rolls eyes*-- 17:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the satyrs have confirmed to be demons. Well I think... Mr.X8 17:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

There same as Fel Orcs just one is based off Night Elf and the others Orc.There Corrupted the same.-- 00:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

We should put it under both. Like in the famous people category, people like for example Azshara are in the NE and Naga section.

Read the lesser Demon part of Demon,Fel Orcs are in there.-- 17:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Draenei
Shouldn't Broken Draenei and Lost Ones go under Non-playable Draenei? 17:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Classes?
"List of race icons" as a page name implies that we'd see class icons. So, uhm, where are they? :) Hekirou 16:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh ya...and we need to catch up on races 22:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Whine, whine, whine... okay, I added class and talent tree mini icons. They were on the other mini icon page. -- [[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 7:37 PM PST 5 Dec 2007
 * <3 Hekirou 14:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, ask and ye shall receive, huh. Thanks all, this page is instantly a hell of a lot more useful already.  Hekirou 14:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Missing Icons/races
Here's a good spot to place what you think is missing, so that it can be added in later. Also, if it has been added feel free to remove it from this list. I'll start it. 20:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments
We know 21:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I know we know, this list is meant to help/remind. That's what the discussion page is for...communication. 21:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

† Ok, oh and there is no NE or dwarf child, they use the same model, only smaller. 21:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * very well 21:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I looked at a screenshot of and she does indeed look like a minaturized adult Night Elf. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]]  Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 2:53 PM PST 7 Dec 2007


 * Added some new requested icons above. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 4:08 PM PST 7 Dec 2007


 * Not skinny spider,there both the same 00:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The Hell they're not. One is based on a black widowish body, the other has a more tarantula like form. And why are sporebat, wendigo, yeti, and warp stalker crossed out?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  01:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They're crossed out to represent they were added. As I hope someone would do when they do add one of the to the page. 01:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Mr.X8, Airiph.  01:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * By skinny-leg globe-like, I mean:
 * []
 * As opposed to thick and hairy like:
 * []
 * --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:17 PM PST 7 Dec 2007

Yeah,I know,then we would have to have diffrent ones for EVERY single diffrent silthid etc,those 2 spiders are the same race 01:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Not every single different silithid... ;-) If all spiders get lumped in together, then why not use the ogre icon for furbolgs? They're both humanoid aren't they? --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]]  Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:24 PM PST 7 Dec 2007
 * I'd have to agree with this. If we need a certain Icon for a certain mob/npc it would be nice to use the correct one. If I'm talking about a lion, I wouldn't want to have to use a saber icon. 03:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Then should we have seperate pages for those? 01:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I originally started making these icons to use on pages like Stranglethorn Vale NPCs, Enchanting trainers, Blackwater Raiders and Scourge. To be honest, I don't see much use at all for most of the proposed icons, and indeed many of the ones who have already been made are not in use except for this and similar pages. -- 08:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Lava Elementals
Should lava elementals be considered on the list of elementals, or just categorized as earth elementals (due to their look)? 20:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They seem to use mostly an earth elemental model, but elemental categories have nothing to do with the models. Currently lava elementals fall under Elemental Conglomerates. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 6:25 PM PST 10 Jan 2008


 * Ah, ok then. But should we add them to the listing on the main icon page with the other elementals...of course that would require making icons for them as well... 03:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Add requests to the Missing Icons/races section list above. Not sure if anyone is actively making icons, but at least we have a list. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 4:24 PM PST 15 Jan 2008

Template
I made a table to use on my user page to make it less graphic-intensive. It might have other practical uses as well? -- 20:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

But the humanoids part you need to do th br/ thing to because its so looooooong.But other than that good job! 21:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ogre female
There is no evidence that picture is of a female ogre so it should be removed. Zarnks (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I beg to differ. -- 23:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It is simply next to the words "creatures of the land". It is not labeled anything it could be Griselda or a cut creature. It being an ogre is entirely speculation. Zarnks (talk) 02:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Griselda isn't a "creature of the land", she is an orc. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Neither are ogres technically as they aren't from Azeroth. Either way you have no proof that is an ogre. Zarnks (talk) 03:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ogres are technically "creatures of the land" in the Warcraft I manual. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Beasts & critters
Why are the animals separated into subcategories based upon how many legs/limbs they have? It seems quite contrived. -- 15:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure why, its been like that since I've seen it... probably the same reason why the other grps are separated. 21:21, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm making the subcategories more intuitive and mutually exclusive, since a creature can be terrestrial, bipedal and winged at the same time and thus hard to place like it is now. -- 00:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, that looks a whole lot better. 06:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

First Generation Death Knight Icon
I think the icon should look like Teron Gorefiend. Who ever does these icons u think u could make that happen? I've seen your work, you can do it:D-- Maelstrong 00:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Also maybe a Third Generation Death Knight Icon. If he doesnt read this page could someone please transfer this over to his User Talk, its crowded and i dont want to mess it up-- Maelstrong 01:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The first gen DK does look like Teron Gorefiend. That's how they looked like. For third gen, we have. -- 06:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Third generation is a class not a race 00:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly. You can't represent an orc death knight with a human death knight icon anyway. -- 13:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Too many icons
Why are there icons of individual characters? I see no point. -- 17:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you have a point there.


 * Some icons, like Vashj's, should be there as, for example "Naga Sea Witch", but others, like Varian, should remain in other section.


 * It's just an idea.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 17:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I originally made the icons like Illidan and the Lich King because representing them with the icons for a simple night elf male and death knight icon seemed contrived. But then I thought it'd be neat to represent the more unique models with icons of their own. But you're right, putting the character specific icons on a seperate page is a good idea to reduce the size of this one. -- 20:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I present WoWWiki:List of unique character icons. Now which icons should stay on this page to represent a type of race that's so far unique to these characters? -- 21:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm unsure... some of them, like Vashj, can be used for Naga Sea Witch. Same goes for Horusath and others.


 * I'd only delete from this page the ones who have icons representing their race, like Khadgar or Varian.


 * Illidan and Arthas, for example, could be considered races...


 * Or you could just add them (hero icons) under their race, like they were alternate versions of the icons.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Trolls
shouldnt the ice and forest troll icons have the Trolls in there upgraded models? the buffed up ones, it would be just the males but still lol.--Maelstrong 13:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, but not for here, for WoWWiki:List of race icons - Non-playable humanoids - Trolls. It lists all the Trolls, but the Ice trolls are normal white/blue trolls.
 * 21:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

More animals
I compiled a (likely incomplete) list of some other animal icons. They're scalled down to 18 pixels. I added names for the mouseovers for many of them. 5:30 PM, 20 Jun 2009 (EDT) ager]]




 * Many of them are in WoWWiki:List of race icons
 * 21:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Purge any duplicates if you like. It was easier to just make a list of all the animal icons I could find. 6:58 PM, 20 Jun 2009 (EDT)


 * Cleared, only left is the Sea Turtle, the only one not present in the list.
 * 23:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't see treeant or really any of the plethora of aquatic creatures (yes there's a single generic fish, but I think it might be nice to see more).


 * [[image:ability druid forceofnature.png|18px|treeant]] [[image:inv misc fish 01.png|18px|yellowfin]] [[image:inv misc fish 02.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 03.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 04.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 05.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 06.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 07.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 08.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 09.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 10.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 11.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 12.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 13.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 14.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 19.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 20.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 21.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 22.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 23.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 24.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 25.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 26.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 27.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 28.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 29.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 30.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 31.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 32.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 33.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 34.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 35.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 36.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 37.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 38.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 39.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 40.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 41.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 42.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 43.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 44.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 45.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 46.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 47.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 48.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 49.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 50.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 51.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 52.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 53.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 54.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 55.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 56.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 57.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 58.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 59.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 60.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 61.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 62.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 63.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 64.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 65.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 66.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 67.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 68.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 69.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 70.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 71.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 72.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 73.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 74.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 75.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc fish 76.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc food 97 sunspringcarp.png|18px|sunspring carp]] [[image:inv misc monsterhead 01.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc monsterhead 02.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc monsterhead 03.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc monsterhead 04.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc shell 01.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc shell 02.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc shell 03.png|18px]] [[image:inv misc shell 04.png|18px]]


 * [[file:inv misc fish 47.png]] For example, what the heck is that?? I've never even seen one, but it looks ferocious. I'm not sure if it's meant to be a whale or a fish or just a beast. 12:11 AM, 21 Jun 2009 (EDT)


 * It looks like a whale sort of. I was going to say a Monsterbelly but that already has an icon. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 12:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't these fishes be added somewhere like a list of resources or something?--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:47, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Naga lord? Air lord? Fire Lord?
I'm sorry if I sound stupid right now, but this is a pattern I've been seeing. We've got a bunch of different "races" here, though they aren't really "races", or even "sub-races".

I mean, naga lord? Any naga can be a lord of naga. It is far more then likely that Naj'entus is simply another naga anomaly (seeing as each one is radically different from another in some way or form), and it is far more then likely that the name of his model is simply describing him.

As for Air Lord and Fire Lord, well, they're not really "races" or "sub-races" either. The links both go to their respective evil masters (Ragnaros and Thunderaan), furthering my doubt. Now, if the Fire Lord image was an image of the Firelord from WC3, and the link went to the Firelord article, I'd be a bit more understanding, but it seems to target Ragnaros, so I'm not.

Anyways, "Air Lord" and "Fire Lord" are really more just occupations/titles then anything else, seeing that Cyrukh, who appears to be a different sub-race of fire elemental then Ragnaros, is also a Fire Lord. 03:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, yeah, and all the drakonids are dragons, after all.
 * I think it's fine as it's it. Those subraces, races, types or whatever are clearly more than just different from their brethren, so they deserve their own icon.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * But they're not even "races" or "types". They're just single people. Thunderaan's the only "Air Lord". Naj'entus is just another naga anomaly. "Fire Lord" cannot have a single icon as two different "races" share that position. The drakonid thing isn't much of a point, seeing as there are many drakonids, and they are clearly a sub-race worthy of icons and a place here. But these are only single people; there's no reason to believe they're entire races or sub-races. Those icons are more unique character icons then race icons. 03:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And even then, if these ARE actual races, why do they not have their own articles, and why are they not on the people who belong to these "races'" articles? 03:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think having more icons is fine. Why don't you just rename them on the article, if that's all that's bothering you. 10:28 PM, 8 Jul 2009 (EDT)


 * Why have them on the article though? They're not "races". They don't belong here. 02:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not really "more icons" anyways...they're all on the Unique Character icons page too, anyways. 02:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well Naga lord fits the description of a Naga Anomaly so it could be added as that--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:58, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Are all icons lore-wise valid?
I would like to know where are some icons from. The icons of the following races were made but it isn't even known how they look like or were made from WoW models without being in WoW: dark trolls, Half-elf, Half-Kaldorei, Half-orc, Half-draenei, Tothrezim, Dark titan. So are they just invented or are their taken of somewhere? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of them come from the model viewer and then photoshopped by Varghedin, whom I think does an excellent job. 03:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, he does an excelent work, but the races I mentioned aren't in WoW model viewer, are they? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, he takes an already existing model, such as the blood elf, and edits it to form a half-elf. 19:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. My last question, if we have never seen any half-draenei, how is it that there is an icon? (The only half-draeneis are Garona and Med'an who look mostly like orcs and Lantresor who looks like Rend Blackhand). Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You probably won't seen many, if any, half-breed models in WoW, but it's always nice to have icons for characters found in books. It's always nice for those that write fanfiction to have icons representing what they need as well. 20:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the answers. :) Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I wish I could make icons this cool...or at all. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 12:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Try downloading GIMP (open-source Photoshop) and do some tutorials. You may also need to learn some things about the wow data files as well. 9:34 AM, 28 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh okay. I have OSX though so things like the Model Viewer do not work great. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 02:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Minor question
Do "emberwyrms" and "magmawyrms" share the same model? Or are they sharing the icon just for now? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 07:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe they share the same model, not too much different about them, except one is a raised red dragon the other a raised black dragon. 07:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, so the icon would be pretty much the same if you tried to make one of each. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Old requests replies
Azure dragons should just use the blue icons, they are the same flight.. just given a new look, as I'm sure they'll do with the dragonflights for future expansions...maybe... For Wendigo just use Yeti →. 01:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Azure dragons are just a personal request, since, well, there's no one appearing in-game right now xDDD. For Wendigos, they are pretty different from yetis.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Like Coobra said, azure = blue. As for wendigos, they look just like the yetis present before Wrath of the Lich King. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 12:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, please, Wendigos are way different from yetis. Just look this and tell me again they are the same.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That big creature is the new model for yetis. The old model for yetis was the wendigo model which was used for both of them. So essentially, you can now use the yeti icon for wendigos. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 12:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What Rolandius says is true. Also a little tidbit according to the monster guide wendigos are only known to exist in Dun Morogh, whereas their cousins the Yeti are the ones that exist everywhere else. Though it seems Blizzard uses both terms interchangeably. 23:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Like Coobra said, wendigos seem to like cold enviroments but in a more southernly area like Dun Morogh. Sasquatches and "jungle stalkers" also exist but they are not in WoW. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Old requests removed/explained
Mage slayer already exists use Darkhound  23:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Wendigo/Yeti use Yeti ; Snobold are Kobolds, use Kobold ; Felboar are helboars use Helboar. As a general rule, creatures from Warcraft III (especially critters) that have not appeared in WoW otherwise known as NYI don't get icons as they won't even be used. If anything Crab already exists. 20:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Remember, the title of the section was "requests and suggestions". A suggestion is just that, a suggestion. It does not have criteria. Making a request could have criteria. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Snobolds aren't kobolds, the same way gorloc aren't murlocs, and have a way different model. And the new wendigo/yeti has a different model, so different icon. At least I would prefer to have the new icon to distinguish between mobs. I don't understand why they aren't viable requests.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The new yeti icon really, really looks different from the old wendigo icon so I don't see why it isn't a good suggestion either... Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 02:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Very well, I made snobold and the northrend yeti, I choose blue for the snobolds cause its other skins looked exactly like kobolds from the face perspective. 04:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Snobolds sort of do look like kobolds. Three cheers for the Northrend yeti. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 05:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good work, indeed, I'm using them asap. Thanks .--Lon-ami (talk) 10:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

New Requests
I don't know how people do these images, so i'll ask for them to be made, and i'll try to put them here, anyway here's a few requests
 * -Hill Giant brown with green moss like on the link
 * -Sporelok from the caves in zangarmarsh these have a blue hue than sporeggar purple hue
 * -Nether drakonid the ones in the netherwing rep mountain/isle
 * -Polar Furbolg a white furbolg from northrend should do
 * And i think i'll have to ask varghedi for these right?
 * -Angel
 * -Incubus

anyway thanks in advance,and i'm also going to add the naga lord icon as a naga anomaly since it definitely fits the description. Ps if anybody could get me the icon of auriaya, she is golden skinned titan female icon is bronze skinned--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:07, April 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * See the top of the top where requests are added, many of which you requested are already on the list, I added the couple that weren't. 23:23, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok didn't notice that was for that--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:42, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Organizing some sections
Wouldn't be best if we reorganised a few section for example, instead of organizing beasts and critters by number of legs we organize if they are either mammals, birds, reptiles etc. and then add the rest without definition as others?--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:31, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also for elementals instead of being divided by elemenets it would be simpler if they were divided into Basic, Conglomerate, Nature and other, i'll probably change it tomorrow, if nobodies complains --Ashbear160 (talk) 00:34, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we tried to sort them by types.. and became a real mess, so it was decided to switch to just leg amounts. 00:39, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can I at least try???--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:25, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do it on your namespace and present your work here, then we'll see if we take it or not
 * 11:32, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well i still haven't completed it but anybody can check the what i think it would be a best categorisation in beasts, humanoids, elementals and demons in this pageUser:Ashbear160/List of race and class icons, if you have any question ask away--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:37, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * i need anybody to tell me the problems with it before i start to correct it by alphabet--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:27, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Chromatic Dragonkin
As we don't have any information about the Violet Prot-drake begin a chromatic drake (i seriously doubt it is a chromatic drake as they were created by Nefarian in Khaz Modan - although i could be natural variant) shouldn't we move it to the "other"-category/section?

An the Drakeadon which is a creation be made Nefarian, by using the same techniques as for the Chromatic Dragonkin so shoudln't that be moved to the Chromatic section/category?

Aedror42 (talk) 20:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was adapting the Violet and plated protodrakes by colour pattern rather than descendant flight it still fits, both the chromatic dragonflight and the violet protodrake are violet, and the infinite dragonflight and plated protodrake are dark grey with light blue cracks, so the list would look more complete and it would be easier to look for what we miss, and yes Drakeadon would probably fit the chromatic dragonflight but there is nothing indicating so, which is why i putted into other, and also because he's the only one of his kind this way the list is simpler to look at and more easy to orient, and it's not completely wrong either, if my arguments don't convince you, ask coobra, what his the best your option or mine, but be sure to present both cases.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Edit: Mind there is also no hint between ancestry between each dragonflight, we just know that dragonflights descend from protodrakes and thqt some have the same colour as their ancestors, i also did this so we can see clearly what type of dragon icons we miss so they can be easily and quickly be filled--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Drakeadon is technically part of the chromatic flight, he should join the others.
 * The Violet Proto Drake... we have no reason to believe proto-dragon consisted of more than the 5 original aspects. A natural born chromatic dragon is unheard of... though whose to say not possible... It can stay for in the chromatic for now.
 * The Plated Proto Drake, technically part of the blue flight... with no origins in the infinite flight. It would only confuse people if it stayed with them. It should be moved to other.
 * Did I catch them all? 03:52, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you did Aedror42 (talk) 05:45, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to voice my opinion:
 * The Violet Proto-Drake is not sourced to be "Chromatic". And if we base this choice on his color, then we can also consider that because he is violet/purple, he could be "Twilight".
 * We should move it to "Other"
 * 07:10, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nefarian might activated a recessive gene when he was making the chromatic dragonflight, the same gene that the violet proto-drake has, also infinite dragons, convert bronze dragons into infinite, volkhan might know the method, but this are just theories anyway.--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:49, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yet all those are theory, and I am moving the dude back to "Other".
 * 13:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's as much as theory asgreen protodrakes are ascenstors of the green dragonflight, anyway there was a reason i asked the admin opinion, and his decision should be respected --Ashbear160 (talk) 19:30, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'd like to hear his opinion now that I have a new argument.
 * 19:35, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well the twilight are not violet while the chromatic are, also the twilight are "neon" coloured while the twilight clearly aren't --Ashbear160 (talk) 19:47, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * As if color was the matching everytime. ^^
 * This is really unsourced, no Chromatic are recorded to be naturaly born, so as we have to stay neutral, saying "we don't know its origin" is better than assuming one without proof.
 * 19:54, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's why i did it by colour pattern rather than descendency on protodrakes, first they are not part of any dragonflight, and second the only real proof that we have that dragonflights descended from the colours, is that they share the same colours anyway i'm going to create a proto-drake section because you said a good point, "we don't know it's origin" applies to every proto-drake--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:00, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Having a proto-drake section, would mean turning back to a "type" sorting
 * 20:04, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * however protodrakes, are not part of the dragonflight, and they aren't sapient either, and just because we did one doesn't mean we have to do all, just look at the elemental section we have Constructs and nature which are a different classification(that blizzard forced on us)than elementals, we can make exceptions and the protodrakes are exceptions by themselves, and the article links to all the protodrakes, so we keep all the link together too--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:09, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Should we just go back to how it was.. by type, rather than flight? 21:25, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah i think it's good the way it is, it presents the beigns that are part of the dragonflight clearly and the others clearly, we should wait for cataclysm before making more changes since this will be the dragon and elemental expansion.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:36, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Comming back with a small but maybe usefull info!
 * In Into The Wild Green Yonder, Penumbrius speaks about " The Proto-brood have volunteered to fly"
 * Would that mean that all the proto drakes leave under a same dragonflight?
 * 20:47, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok... that seems right but how exactly can they volunteer to fly if they are non-sapient animals, maybe their tamers did?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

If nobody has a problem i'll change it to Proto-brood, I'm also going to request a rusted protodrake--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:00, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

About tentacles
Shouldn't they be under the old god since well they are part of the old gods? i'm going to change it if anybody doesnt like it tell me why.--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:08, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naxx has tentacle (eyeball) creatures, there's no old god in Naxx. That's enough reason to keep them separate. 17:55, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix hatchling and baby blizzard bear
The reason i asked for them it was because they had different models/textures, the baby bear has a totally different face and the phoenix hatchling has the model of the pet birds.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:33, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, well I have no intention on making icons for just a single pet. You (among others) won't use the icons and will just be a waste of my time. Only reason I even made the core hound pup icon was that mobs are going to be added in Cataclysm using that model. I currently not even sure the murloc baby was a good use of my time.. it's currently used only once. 22:52, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * In fact Baby murloc is used three times (Gurky, Winterfin Playmate and Winterfin Tadpole).
 * But I agree, baby phoenix and bear are not necessaery.
 * 07:08, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok that makes sense i tried to make one of these using wowhead(it ended horribly)--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think angels are going to be the new paladin pet Guardian of the ancient kings, of course this is only a supposition--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:31, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * >< Paladins better not get a pet... 21:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's something like treeants and ghostwolf, i quote blizzard

"Guardian of Ancient Kings (level 85): Summons a temporary guardian that looks like a winged creature of light armed with a sword. The visual is similar to that of the Resurrection spell used by the paladin in Warcraft III. The guardian has a different effect depending on the talent spec of the paladin. For Holy paladins, the guardian heals the most wounded ally in the area. For Protection paladins, the guardian absorbs some incoming damage. For Retribution paladins, it damages an enemy, similar to the death knight Gargoyle or the Nibelung staff. 3-minute cooldown. 30-second duration (this might vary depending on which guardian appears)."
 * Anyway should we stick the faceless general in there below the faceless one using general vezax icon?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:39, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * ?Err the reason why i tut eel into cataclysm beta was for waiting until we could access the cataclysm models...--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:57, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, now you have it if you need it. And it can always be updated later down the road. 00:59, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * What i meant with the cataclysm beta list was sort of a wait till cataclysm list, anyway i'll readd it with the speculated name--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:04, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kind of the reason I asked you not to make a Cataclysm list. I'm going to remove it cause obviously they'll need icons and when we're able we'll make them. And either var or I will make them during beta. If we don't after some weeks of it being live then make requests. 18:23, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Eh fine. I'll make a list with the things "weren't supposed know" and add it in the beta--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:57, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Mechanical section
I had a idea on how to organize mechanical section:
 * -Titanic
 * -Demonic
 * -Gnome
 * -Goblin
 * -Magical
 * What do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... well, the section isn't that big to begin with.. Lets see your finished example before and decide, before changing the page. 19:31, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually i tried two types by creator and by function User:Ashbear160/List of race and class icons
 * I prefer the first one by function, it makes everything more easy to choose, also it made noticeable a distinct lack of certain stuff that we're missing i'll post the full list later--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:45, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok then, yea I prefer the first type as well. I would move the alarm o bots and the bomblings to bi-pedal. Don't forget to place them in alphabetical order. Then go ahead and make the change to this page. 21:07, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the huge amount of requests for mechanical stuff, I'll try to find to post links for each one that's not easily understandable--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:56, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sometimes icons don't manage to get added to the list, or somehow are removed in one way or another. I'd like you to try different variations for icons before requesting... Just saw a third icon that already exists in your requested list... GorillaMech. As the uploader of this icon.. I know I put it on the list... so you might have removed it during one of your multiple changes throughout it's history.  23:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Possibly i don't know, and what do you mean by me trying different variation for icon? i didn't understand the english in this one--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:34, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ill also ask if i can change all golem from elementals to mechanical, i check the list in wowhead and the number of golems inelemental category and mechanical category is balanced and they make more sense as mechanical than elementals anyway--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:37, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * What I mean to say is (and I use the mechanical gorilla as the example) if you don't see it on the list, go ahead and try MechanicalGorilla GorillaMechanical GorillaMech and MechGorilla. If none of those work, then make a request. It will cut down on already existing requests. =) 23:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * As for the golems, just leave them in elemental please. 23:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The differences between the gunship cannon are huge, the alliance looks like a giant musket, and the horde looks like a world war turret, and golems i don't think they fit in the elemental section but you're the admin--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:48, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Err i added the jewelcrafting boars because they had some weird rune armours that made them different but it's up to you--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:57, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, you really won't see that much detail on an 18x18pixel image. 16:45, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, but what the Flame Turret supposed to be? it looks nothing like this

http://www.wowhead.com/item=23841/gnomish-flame-turret#modelviewer
 * Oh you used the flame turret from isle of conquest i was asking for the icon for the flame and ice turret that are used by gnomes and mechagnomes--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:24, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea.. if you don't actually link to the wanted race/creature/device I'll have to assume what you mean. Red links don't help either. 23:11, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't know about that flame turret--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:00, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Magical Animation
The reason i putted unholy weapons and enchanted tiki was because they fit the magical animation sub-category, however i add a few ideas that could help improve this: In my opinion i prefer the 2, because it would also allowed to put golems in a place that make more sense than elementals when they are categorised as both elemental and mechanical(all types have mixed variations)--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:35, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) -Keep as it is.
 * 2) -Change from "Mechanicals and constructed transport" to "Mechanical and magical constructs", or just "Constructs".
 * 3) -Put magical animated objects in uncategorized.


 * Well, the reason the broom and carpet are there is because they're constructed transports. If I made a tiki and floating weapons icon, they would be and should be other (unclassified), similar to the murloc outfit because they're items. Now as for the golems, most are elementals, so it's just best to keep them together, rather than make users try and find the icon they want in multiple areas.


 * So I say, keep it as is. 21:37, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I checked and the result are
 * Drakkari Golem elemental 2 mechanical 2
 * Normal Golem elemental 20 mechanical 6
 * Arcane Golem Elemental 7 mechanical 15
 * Obsidian destroyer elemental 1 uncategorized 3
 * Stonekeeper Giant 4 mechanical 2 elemental 3 uncategorized 3
 * So i'm going to move the obsidian destroyer to uncategorised and stone keeper to giants, and elementals are pretty much tied except for normal golem models.
 * The difference betwen murloc suit and snowman suit is that those are wearable objects, the others are objects described as Animated object, that's how i found, and the reason i want to change it to "magical and mechanical constructs" is blizzard sloppy job at categorizing the creatures ingame, changing it to "magical and mechanical constructs" would solve many problems that in categorising stuff here, and making a exclusion for constructed transport and not for magical constructs seems counterproductive--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:04, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also anubisath and horusath are all uncategorized except one entry which is humanoid out of 13, putting them on Magical and mechanical Constructs would help a lot when looking for them(because anubisaths are not humanoids and golem are constructs.), and would look indefinitely better(also would make far more sense)--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:10, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * And to answer that point you made about looking for golems in different places, putting all constructs and golems under the term constructs would make it far easier to look for than having, and in fact make more sense term wise than put them under elementals(which they are not)--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:19, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll wait for Cobra answer tomorrow to see if i use blizzard categorization correctly(messy and incorrect), or change to "mechanical and magical constructs"(organized and correct)--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:27, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sections renamed. Everything can now stay where they are. 04:48, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * There still two problems
 * Stonekeeper has more giant individuals at with 3 giant, 1 uncategorized, 1 mechanical, and 2 elemental, so i'll move it to giants
 * Anubisath has 1 humanoid(Setis(which is also a rare elite)) and 12 uncategorized, horusath has 1 uncategorized, and obsidian destroyer has 3 uncategorized and 1 elemental, so i'll change them to uncategorized under the name of Obsidian Statues, but if you prefer, i'll add them under the name of Qiraji Constructs--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:01, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also thanks for listening--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:06, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Stone keepers are gigantic constructs. I believe it should be under constructs, but either category is fine I suppose. And while I understand most Anubisaths and obsidian destroyers are unclassified they too are gigantic constructs, but for gameplay purposes most are labeled as unclassified due to many restrictions they had in days past, many of which can easily be changed with their new methods and technology. 20:56, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I hope that in cataclysm blizzards takes notice of categorizing creatures and does it right--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:05, June 22, 2010 (UTC)