User talk:Varghedin Vikingfrost/Archive02

NPC Screenshots
Hey Vargh :) I created yesterday the Category:NPC screenshots. Would be ace if you could categorize the NPC screenshots (including mobs) as you upload them in there. You can just add in the summary for that. I'm going to go through the whole image categories later on :-) --Adys 20:49, 23 November 2006 (EST)


 * Sure thing, Adys! Let me just warn you though that I have already uploaded a graphical ton of NPC pics, and putting that tag on each one is going to be a bit of an undertaking :) --Varghedin 11:10 (CET), 24th Nov 2006
 * Aye I know that :-P gonna be fun hehe... --Adys 05:22, 24 November 2006 (EST)

I don't know if you're taking the screenshots or cutting them from somewhere, but is it possible for you to take them without the targeting circle? It looks so distracting. --Hobinheim 20:12, 2 December 2006 (EST)


 * I'm taking them myself, and I agree the green circle does mar the picture. However, taking the shot of the npc without targeting them usually makes the picture too dark. And I'm not going to manually edit out the green, that's just too much work. Any ideas? --Varghedin 09:55 (CET), Dec 3rd 2006


 * If you actually mouseover the NPC while taking the screenshot, this should make it look as if it was targetted --Adys 05:21, 3 December 2006 (EST)


 * Won't that put the mouse cursor in the screenshot? I'll give it a shot (pun unintended). --Varghedin 11:21 (CET), Dec 3rd 2006


 * The cursor is always hidden in screenshots. --Adys 12:33, 3 December 2006 (EST)


 * Ok, I've understood how to not include the green circle in an npc pic. However, I think old habits change hard because I still find myself targeting the NPC and hitting the screenshot button. Most of the time the green circle isn't all that obvious. This changes a lot when the npc is lying down (sleeping, dying, dead, etc). So I've started doing it the targetless way when screening that kind of npcs. I'll have to judge it case by case I guess :) Varhgedin 02:15 22 Dec, 2006 (CET)

Winged instances
Just wondering about the deletion tagging of Category:Instance:The Underbog. As discussed here, they are seperate instances - the instance portals just happen to be near each other. So, if for example the Underbog crashes, you can still do the Slave Pens. -- T inker  er  07:36, 24 November 2006 (EST)


 * I made a post on Hellfire Citadel describing it, but I'm glad you asked since I didn't really think it was a perfect location to post it. I understand the wing works as an instance, but I don't think that warrants a separate category, for a number of reasons.
 * It would creature a huge clutter of instance categories. Pretty much all the expanion dungeons are winged, and we have some from before as well.
 * It would split apart the dungeons' content, so that someone who wanted to know which kind of monsters could be found in say Tempest Keep would have to browse through all of its wings' categories instead
 * It would essentially empty out the dungeon's main category. Instance:Hellfire Citadel for instance would be quite empty if all its content was sorted into its wings
 * The dungeon bar to the right in the new dungeons already has a clear division of what is in each wing and links that easily grant access to those wings, making separate categories redundant
 * -- Varg, 15:29 (CET), Nov 24th 2006


 * Sounds pretty logical to me :-) So, when for example making an article page of a trash mob in the Shattered Halls, it needs information in the article about where it is located? (i.e. Funny-Looking Red Orc is a level 70 elite boss in the Shattered Halls. ) -- T  inker  er  09:36, 24 November 2006 (EST)


 * Hehe, yes that sounds appropriate. I always make a point of explicitly stating where the mob is even if the category should describe it pretty well. comes to mind.. :P
 * -- Varg, 15:29 (CET), Nov 24th 2006

Article naming convention
As I recall the style policy for article race/creature titles is lower case unless its a proper noun. This way any links to race names can be written in lower case and still link to the article. Blizzard uses lower case for race titles in the games.Baggins 16:40, 1 December 2006 (EST)


 * Oh, right, I forgot about that. I was just automatically following the older style naming. I don't have the time to go back and fix that right now as I'm off work soon, but I'll try to keep it in mind for later. Sorry about that! Varghedin 22:44, 1 December 2006 (CET)

NPC Box
Umm... Just wondering, how come you got rid of the npcbox on various articles? Was it not a good idea? --Hobinheim 14:06, 5 December 2006 (EST)


 * Honestly, I kind of like it. It's consise and contains a nice amount of information. I do however feel that it makes the article a little squished when there is also a picture of the NPC present. And I put some of the information into the article itself (but not all of it, which bothers me). I'm actually not sure how to go about with it. Having only the infobox and the pic seems a little strange, but it might work out... any ideas? --Varghedin 20:11, 5 December 2006 (CET)


 * I went back and put the infobox into the 3 npcs I took it away from =). --Varghedin 09:10, 6 December 2006 (CET)

To chronicle the history of changes of character models
Let's make sure to link to both versions of the models in order to chronicle changes in the game, but state which is the old model.Baggins 18:15, 6 December 2006 (EST)


 * Wouldn't it be easier to just make a separate page showing off the old models? Having every single high/blood elf npc with two pics is a bit heavyhanded and crams the npc articles. Not to mention that several of the elves do not have a 'before' pic. Varghedin 00:23, 7 December 2006 (CET)


 * I'm testing an alternate way in a moment, check Captain Thalo'thas Brightsun in a moment.Baggins 11:28, 7 December 2006 (EST)


 * That's awesome =) Varghedin 12:39, 8 December 2006 (GMT)

Named Mobs
I'm not sure I understand some of the entries under the cat named mobs. Some of them, like bloodvenom post braves, are NPCs affiliated with the horde. So they're more like npcs rather than named mobs. Wouldn't a named mob be something more like what you find in a dungeon? To be killed by both factions? --Hobinheim 23:16, 11 December 2006 (EST)


 * Perhaps. Actually, the braves aren't named at all, so it should at any rate just be 'mobs'. Since the guards are (usually) non-interactive, they don't fit into the category npcs or any undercategory of such. I think the best category would be something like Category:Guards, but that is actually a category that would be very hard to define. What makes something a guard? --Varghedin 11:01, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Image:Hemet Nesingwary Jr.jpg
I was wondering why you re uploaded the image. I honestly laughed when I noticed blizzard changed slightly the vestments. Bored devs anyone? :P --Adys 05:01, 13 December 2006 (EST)


 * I think we just updated Hemet Nesingwary at the same time or something. Sorry about that! Let me go back and see what exactly happened. --Varghedin 11:03, 13 December 2006 (CET)


 * No I didn't update anything but I see what you mean. Try to clear the cache, it does that to me sometimes :-) --Adys 05:13, 13 December 2006 (EST)
 * Edit, duh, forget that. I thought you meant the image :P


 * Ok, your edit on Hemet Sr. was the one that ended up counting. I edited it again after now, I just wanted to specify that the older Hemet in no way exists in STV any more. As for the picture, I happened to have it from some days ago and it seemed to be of very slightly better quality than the older one (the lines around the face are smoother for instance). But if you feel that the old one is better I don't mind if you change it back =) --Varghedin 11:14, 13 December 2006 (CET)
 * EDIT: Oh, and while we're here talking, I was wondering about the NPC Screenshots category. I've been doing as you asked and putting everything there, but now when I hit the cat page it never seems to stop loading because it insists on having all the pics on the same page. Do you know any way of separating the cat into pages to make it browse-friendlier?


 * Haha no the picture wasn't any rant, I just found it funny Blizzard changed the graphics on it for something simple as that :P As for the category thing, it loads fine here (using Firefox). Afaik it's in the preferences you define up to how many articles you want to show up in a category (counting images and subcategories etc). But I'm not familiar with wiki engines themselves (apart from wowwiki), so can't tell. --Adys 07:07, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Welcome .... admin!
Congratulations! You are an admin! However, do not take this as a burden - there are several new admins to spread the load, so do not feel you have to deal with everything. You are the same excellent contributer you were yesterday, but now you've got guns in your arsenal :P If you're able, the #wowwiki IRC channel (see my talk page) is home to me and some of the other admins to chat :)

Again, wahey! Progress! -- Kirkburn  (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2006 (EST)


 * Oh wow! I must say this is an unexpected honor :O Thank you! I'm not quite certain what it fully entails to be an administrator but I'll read up on admins' tools and responsibilities... and see about getting IRC re-installed. *bows* Varghedin 01:57 Dec 22 2007 (CET)


 * Woohoo! The IRC channel is slightly sparse atm, given it's only just been set up - but I've put some notices around the wiki for it (and shall add some more soon). I'm off to bed now, chat more about it soon :) For now, bask in your unexpected glory :P -- Kirkburn  (talk) 20:04, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Inns and Taverns
Category:Inns - thought it'd be worth informing you I created it. I'll let you sort all that, I dont really know how you organize all this stuff =P If you come across any more, just slap me for being blind. --Adys 19:14, 23 December 2006 (EST)


 * Thanks. I thought many times about making it, but I never got to more than 9 inns, which wouldn't fill the category. Including Light's Hope Chapel did the trick :) --Varghedin 20:45, 25 December 2006 (CET)

Regarding the Lack of The
I'm only leaving this concept impulsively since I'm currently eating breakfast, so I'm not excluding myself from helping out eventually, but... Are we not being a little overzealous with the removal of "The"? I understand that some article titles are better served without it, but something like... The Void. It's The Void. Is it really better under just Void? That was just an example. // Also, if you move pages, could you make sure the nav bar on the bottom still works if it has one? Thanks! --Hobinheim 08:06, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * There's been extensive discussion about this issue, and while I do agree that sometimes it feels more aesthetically pleasing to include the 'the', the organization of doing so is a nightmare. The game treats the 'the' very casually, sometimes including it, other times not, sometimes haphazardly doing both. It's been suggested that the pages be moved to articles withou 'the', and then we can judge each case individually and see if the articles warrants having a 'the' (as is the case with the Canals.) As for the nav bar, I was getting to that after I finished with my manic purge :) --Varghedin 14:15, 27 December 2006 (CET)

Silly template
Hey there, I was wondering if you could stop slapping the silly template on so many pages. For instance, the Smokywood Pastures NPCs are very serious and do not need such tags. APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  10:55, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Very serious? Someone named Whulmort Jinglepocket is very serious? C'mon! :) But fine, I'll be a bit more restrictive with the icon's use. It does take up an amount of space. --Varghedin 17:00, 27 December 2006 (CET)


 * Since it's an actual event, it's a hard choice. I would also go with no to the silly template, if only because it would populate it too much and perhaps undermine WoW itself. =) -- Kirkburn  (talk) 11:22, 27 December 2006 (EST)

The concept of Winter's Veil is actually official lore, it has been refrenced in last few RPG books. Also, goblin and gnome names are usually pretty silly. But they aren't unofficial silly.Baggins 12:44, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * The obvious out-of-game reference to real world department store chains is what I felt warranted the tag, not really the silliness of the name itself. I can't remember which article I first saw a silly tag on an npc with a name like that (it was when the tag was freshly made), but that was the reasoning behind putting it there. Let me track it down with a cat search. --Varghedin 18:55, 27 December 2006 (CET)


 * Probably Sprok, and I removed the tag from it... Also alot of gnome and goblin names tend to refrence pop culture, that doesn't mean they are silly. Should we start slapping silly on other pop culture refrences like Ambercrombie and Stitches, or perhaps Algernon? ...or what about goblin pod racers? I don't think so...Baggins 12:59, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Ah, I remember now, it was Adon, who also has had his silly tag removed some time ago. --Varghedin 18:55, 27 December 2006 (CET)


 * Grr, there are alot of things that need the tag removed... People just slap it on, and don't seem to know that it literally undermines "lore" as it specifically states, "not part of lore" in the tag... I think it should be limited to only fan community things, like south park, or tv show refrences... Not in game stuff...Baggins 13:08, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Perhaps this means we should create an easteregg tag? -- Kirkburn  (talk) 14:40, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Isn't it enough just mentioning the fact that something is an homage to a real world subject? Easter Egg or not they are still a lore source :p...Baggins 14:46, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Oh, yes, I'm not denying that :) Just suggesting a descrip along the lines of "This element of WoW contains references to real-world themes", or suchlike, without detracting from its status in the lore. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * I definetely agree. The question when to and when not to use silly is a particularly vague one. Furthermore, I'd like to argue that articles with that tag on top encourage users to add random trash to it ("Hogger is a level 72 ELTE THAT ATE UR MOM&CHUCK NORRIS HE DROSP FROSMORN!"). Descriptions like the one Kirkburn just suggested seem to be fine to me. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif|16px]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  16:15, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Actually I should make that In-Jokes and References not Easter Eggs. Hrm. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 16:17, 27 December 2006 (EST)


 * Only if the tag is put in a section of the article which talks about the refrence, rather than at the beginning of the entire article.Baggins 16:16, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Frost Giant / Sand Giant
I've taken the liberty to remove the redirects here. The Frost Giant redirect was on your user page though, I hope you don't mind ;) --Jeoh 19:02, 29 December 2006 (EST)


 * Thanks, I forgot about those redirects. Killed them off now. --Varghedin 02:26, 30 December 2006 (CET)

Admin-y suggestion
Ciao! I suggest adding the dotted underline thingy to your sigs :) The other admins use various methods to do it, but I use this method:


 * Go to preferences
 * Tick Raw sigs
 * Enter -- Varghedin into the nickname box. That way, whenever you type the tildes, you get the dotted

Or make your own :P -- Kirkburn  (talk · contr) 12:40, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * Is the SUBST a requirement or just a suggestion? 14:13, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * Ahh. Apparently it puts it in there automatically... Hmm. Not sure I like that. I'll probably just stick to typing it in manually. Less of a blight on the edit page that way. 14:17, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * Bah humbug and all that. Also, using templates like that increases server load ^^ -- Kirkburn  < talk  ·  contr  > 14:22, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Testing, testing. Three tildes gives me this... Varghedin (talk · contr)


 * I'll give this a try, but if I can't factor the Head Bookkeeper in properly, I may go back. -- Ragestorm (talk · contr), Head Bookkeeper 20:08, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Succubus and felguards
I recommend keeping those in their own subcategories of the demons category due to prevalance of their appearance in game, and previous games, going by those terms.

In order avoid confusion, and because that's what the summons are called. Its the reason we don't have Succubus and felguards moved to the race they are part of. Granted its possible to have those types put in two categories.Baggins 16:11, 1 January 2007 (EST)


 * Hmmm. I don't disagree. That will make for a pretty empty parent directory, but I guess it's the cleanest way to do it. We could eventually see about readjusting it later when the BC has been out for a while. See if Mo'arg becoms a commonplace term like Nathrezim or not. --Varhgedin 22:16 January 1st 2007 (CET)
 * Ya, and if we learn of more about Sayaadi, or Mo'arg as well. As it is its unclear if saccubus is a subrace, or a class within the sayaad.Baggins 16:27, 1 January 2007 (EST)

10000 club!
Welcome as first user in there! Though I think you're the only wowwikian who edits faster than the clubs and their seals are created -- Adys  (talk · contr) 09:34, 7 January 2007 (EST)


 * Hehe, thanks :P Now if I can only get my new router to work.. -- Varghedin (talk · contr) 17:56, 7 January 2007 (EST)
 * Should i prepare the 25.000 club next week? ;) 06:46, 9 January 2007 (EST)
 * Now you're just trying to make me feel old on purpose, you whippersnapper! :P -- 06:50, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * Hoi, you stealerer! 10:03, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * Heh, sorry Kirk... it was the only sig I found in copiable format! *innocent* -- 10:54, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * But it spans even more lines in wikicode than the one from adys, make a sig-template like Kirkburn, go now hush ;P - and... And wow, 10k. Must burn some time a day to reach this many edits -watchout 11:07, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * There, I changed it :) --  Varghedin   talk / contribs  11:52, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * Varg, in order to make the sig work like mine, put the sig in User:Varg/Sig, then make a page User:Varg/SigX with contains . Then use that page in the preferences. It should insert a template instead now :)  22:20, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * So funny to see the entire site slowly pick up on the sig thing. what have i done !! :P 05:04, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * By the way... my sig is still a huge chunk of code. I thought I had fixed it but I guess I hadn't. Confounded!! --  Varghedin   talk / contribs  14:16, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * I told you how to do it! :P Have your sig code on User:V/Sig, then make a page called User:V/SigX. Then put on that page, and use that page in your preferences-nickname box.  16:06, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * I'm slow that way :O Testing testing.... 1 2 3?--http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Varghedin/SigX 16:42, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * Dude, you are a sick, sick man. 00:56, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * I should mention, Varg is on about 30k atm. Yes, 30,000 edits. Oh and he has a great sig too =) 20:42, 12 January 2007 (EST)


 * In my 'defense', a lot of those edits were very minor, like adding or removing a category etc =) --  Varghedin   talk / contribs  23:53, 12 January 2007 (EST)


 * Fixed it, now put in your preferences :)  16:58, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * Testing again... 4, 5, 6... Thank you Kirkburn :) -- 19:16, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * Your private page is ready ;) 04:25, 20 February 2007 (EST)


 * LOL! I had to double check to make sure I actually had that many :O -- 12:48, 21 February 2007 (EST)


 * Just counted - took me 15 minutes. You have exactly 37406 edits in total - as of now you count them ;). -- 13:06, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Maybe someone should make a help:signatures ? ;) 10:24, 1 February 2007 (EST)


 * Would be nice for those silly people who can't even figure out how to make a sig. Sheesh! *ahem* -- 10:39, 1 February 2007 (EST)


 * well i seem to have started the initial concept, but some of you appear to be using a different (and probably better) method now, so... kirkburn? your ball? 10:42, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Mana Elemental
This is another one of those issues where the term "Mana Elemental" hasn't been official term used for the whole type of creature as far as I can tell. Can't even find the term used elswhere. In the RPG the type as a whole is called "mana surge".Baggins


 * The info in the RPG may be getting a bit 'outdated' so to speak, since it was written well before the Burning Crusade. I'm not completely certain, but the mana surges you summon for the mage quest may have been the only version of these 'mana elementals' before the expansion, which is why the info in the RPG may use that name. Calling the arcane wraiths mana surges feels a bit strange. Of course, they could be entirely separate beings, but the tainted forms of the arcane wraiths are actually more similar shape-wise to the mana surges than the untainted arcane wraiths. I think lumping them together works best for now, since there basically only one representative of each form known so far. --  Varghedin   talk / contribs  21:43, 15 January 2007 (EST)


 * Someone pointed me to a refrence to "burning elementals crafted of pure mana." as a description.


 * Sure, we'll find out more info come Monster Manual probably. They could be seperate species altogether using the same model, not necessarily representive of the exact same creatures as a whole I guess. In anycase I may upgrade teh mana surge article at some point that lore or whatever is in monster manual.Baggins 21:47, 15 January 2007 (EST)

NPC Box and Picture
So I'm goofing off at work and decided to put another addition out there, combining the npcbox with the picture frame so that they don't look as awkward. Magistrix_Erona, what do you think?-- Hobinheim  ( talk ·  contr ) 14:25, 16 January 2007 (EST)


 * Sheesh, she's so saucy. // They all are. -- Hobinheim  ( talk ·  contr ) 14:27, 16 January 2007 (EST)


 * Much better! It's sort of similar to the Lore character box like Thrall has, but is more for in-game info over lore since most npcs have little to no lore attached to them. *nods* --  Varghedin   talk / contribs  14:28, 16 January 2007 (EST)


 * Continue to write the info about the character in full text form as well, of course. :) 23:11, 16 January 2007 (EST)


 * Yes. For now, I'm just uploading the pics. I can put in the rest of the info later when I'm at work =P --  Varghedin   <font color="#FFEBCD">talk / <font color="#FFFFF0">contribs  23:26, 16 January 2007 (EST)

List of Zone NPCs Pages
I was looking at some of the zone NPC pages, and realized they were a little crowded. So I changed the List of Hillsbrad Foothills NPCs so that the NPCs are sorted by faction. I think it looks a lot cleaner, and was going to suggest that you might sort any new Lists like this. I'd be happy to help change the older lists so they look more like this. --Mikaka 16:37, 16 January 2007 (EST)


 * That looks good. Feel free to do that on any of the lists, I'll concentrate on completing the missing BC info :) --  Varghedin  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #444444; border-left:0px; padding:1px; margin-right:6px; font-size:85%;"> <font color="#FFEBCD">talk / <font color="#FFFFF0">contribs  16:40, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Wylaris
In the Burning Crusade alfa a Blood Knight trainer in Silvermoon City was named Wylaris. On the last release he seems to no longer exists, however around the web there are picture of this guy (I upload it with the name wylaris.jpg) maybe because he's been replaced by Champion Bachi. What'll we do? N'Nanz 19:09, 20 January 2007 (Rome)


 * I've checked, and there's no Wylaris in the game. There hasn't been since alfa, and you're right, he's probably been entirely replaced by Bachi. Just forget about him, he's gone :) -- 14:32, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Archive
You should archive your userpage =P -- S i  g  m  a   (talk|contribs) 08:37, 1 February 2007 (EST)


 * I've been meaning to for a while. Done now :) -- 10:37, 1 February 2007 (EST)