Talk:Orcish (language)

Linguistics
It's been popular belief on my server, that when one speaks in their own native tongue, it sounds normal human speech, however when you speak in common or orcish (and you aren't a Human/Orc), weird accents and traits. However, the big problem I personally have with Orcish, and many others have, is that it is NOT the Throm'ka, Zug Zug, etc. that you'd expect. That is actually a seperate form of Orcish, because never have any other races ever said those words, only the Orcs. However, if that's the Orcish Language... what gives? Why aren't undead, etc. speaking it? --Valkors 15:14, 11 April 2006 (EDT)


 * "nonexistant in modern languages"? that word order is common to all germanic languages (English, German, etc...). It's the other way in romanic languages, but don't believe that it is unique to germanic languages. Anyhow it's no english speciality. --Hurax 12:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're correct, it's not unique to germanic languages. Japanese exhibits the same word order. With this in mind, and seeing as how it is exhibited in germanic languages too, should the article be changed to make it sound less like it is a unique aspect of the language? Space pinapple (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Scourge
Should someone add that as a scourage you could talk to any scourage from both factions. I can type "Guards! Help me!". I need to go back to Razor Hill and write it down. Zmario (talk) 16:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Primer
Question about policies on "official" translations. Grommash has been officially translated as Giant's Heart. Grombolar has been officially translated as Bowels of the Giant. From this we can decisively infer that Grom means giant, Mash means heart, and Bolar means bowels. Can this information go into the Primer (where I instinctively placed it) or should it go under Word List (Speculation) instead? Common sense seems to be at odds with the technical law, here. --P.W (talk) 10:31, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Please add the sources to the transaltions you added, if they are based on deduction then they should be in the speculation list, and even if they are in the speculation list you should explain your deduction and add the sources. If not, they will be removed. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 16:42, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Thrall should count as an orcish word
I tried to add "Thrall" as an orcish word but it was quicky removed, my problem here is that "Thrall" is a legitamate word in the orcish language. My proof is that in the book Warcraft: Lord of the Clans, when Aedelas Blackmoore names the future warchief Thrall, he tells the young orc that is name means slave, and that he did that as a way of having authoroty over the orc, therefor "Thrall" is a legitimate orcish word.


 * Huuum... sorry, where is your point here?
 * Aedelas named the orc "Thrall", this is the common word for slave, not an orcish word for slave.
 * 20:24, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Emildor please see . Thrall is an english word, a noun. it can be used as a word for slave, i.e. "you are my thrall", or slavery, i.e. "you are in my thrall (service)" In warcraft it's a Common word. Aedelas Blackmoore was explaining to his slave what "Thrall" means because it is not a very often used term, not because it was a word from the Orcish language, which Blackmoore wouldn't know much of. 20:29, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Kek ?
If I say Kek, what will Alliance see at their chat box ? Kyuubinaruto123 (talk) 13:45, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably one of those randomly-generated three-letter words. --Super Bhaal (talk) 20:24, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Battle for UC
From unknown reason word Lok'tar is translated as Tov'osh despite fact that Lok'tar itself already is a orcish word.
 * In Battle for the Undercity, on alliance side , Thralls sentence "The Undercity belongs to the Horde once more! LOK'TAR!" is translated to orcish as "Mog Osh'kazil gul'rok il mog Ro'th zaga maza TOV'OSH". Using this we can speculate meaning of several words:
 * "Osh'Kazil" = "Undercity"
 * "gul'rok" = "to belong"
 * "il" = "to"
 * "mog" = "the"
 * "Ro'th" = "Horde"
 * "zaga" = "once"
 * "maza" = "more"

That part was taken (removed) from the main page, because this is something that's purely taken from the in-game generic translator, word-by-word, equal-letters, and has nothing to do with actual orcish in any larger degree than how players' orcish is translated to Alliance players... -- 19:33, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Lo'gosh
The Shattering says that Lo'gosh is a Taur-ahe word.--Drakolord7 (talk) 08:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This was later said to be a typo or an accident or whatever they said and was confirmed to be orcish. Don't ask for a source, cause I don't remember, but I recall this conversation somewhere before. 00:49, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Illadari?
Was doing tbc timewalking and one of the mobs yelled: Lo'tar Illadari. Bug or intentional? Worth a mention?--Mordecay (talk) 13:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could screencap that and tweet it to a Dev to get some clarification. Cemotucu (talk contribs) 14:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, according to this they actually just shout "Lok'tar Illidari", so it probably just means "Victory to the Illidari". -- 14:53, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Was doing the Kargath dung. Asked WarcraftDevs, let's see if they respond. --Mordecay (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Aka'magosh
"Aka'magosh" is a popular phrase among orc RPers who use it with its given translation, "A blessing on you and yours", which they use as a sort of "May the Force be with you" kind of deal mostly in farewells. However, a bit of analysis on its canonical use has made me think a lot about it and I've come to two interesting points.

The first one is the actual contextual use. The only three examples of it I could find in canon have been: Mogrin saying to Rexxar in TFT ; a Kor'kron saying it to the raiders in ICC; and lastly Thrall saying it to the player character in the "Warchief's Emissary" quest. While the example with Thrall can indeed be interpreted as a farewell, the other two clearly show it used for expressing deep gratitude, which extends that implication to the Thrall example as well.

The second point is about the translation - the RPG books give us the translation "A blessing on you and yours", which is what Thrall says in the quest following the words "aka'magosh". Though if we go by the idea that he says the words and then gives their immediate translation, what is to say that Mogrin doesn't do the same thing in TFT? "Aka'magosh, warrior. Thank you." While some examples exist where orcs speak a phrase in their language and then translate it immediately - for instance "Lok'tar Ogar! Victory or death!" from the blood oath of the Horde (though the repetition there makes sense in the context of the oath, providing an emphasis) - we also have examples of them doing the opposite. The Shattered Hand Legionnaires shout Orcish phrases followed by immediate ones in English which are not direct translations (Mok'thorin-ka meaning "Engage the enemy!" rather than "Fall in!" as heard in the dungeon.)

The lore on the phrase is really scarce so this is all simply speculation, but until we know for certain I wanted to leave my thoughts here. --Torakk (talk) 14:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Move
I suggest moving this page to Orcish (language) because of the many links pointing there when they want to say that something is orcish in origin. See Tamar, First Sergeant Hola'mahi, Lady Palanseer or Tumi and those are examples it took me 5 seconds to find. Xporc (talk) 07:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Nothing but that move template and you linking it here. 12:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You're not looking at the right thing Xporc (talk) 12:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand the split and all, and I support it. You misunderstood what I am saying. What I am saying is that you said "I suggest moving this page to Orcish (language) because of the many links pointing there" saying that many links are pointing to Orcish (language) but clearly no. 12:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)