Talk:Elemental

NOT Elementals
WTF? Treants, bog beasts, and golems are NOT elementals. Why are they on this page? I'll wait maybe a day for someone to give a source/reason for their existance on this page before deleting them... --Kakwakas 01:13, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

Elementals are more than basic representatives of the four basic elements: They are semi-intelligent beings created by some sort of magical power that is not what we would call a "soul". They are not considered beasts because they are not exactly alive... they simply ARE. The golems might seem to be mechanical but they do not work on any form of mechanism. I hope that clarifies it --Angellic 06:59, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

P.S. I'm pretty sure this wiki will delete your registration if you delete such a big part just like that. That's just plain rude.


 * Kakwakas is a known member of the WoWwiki community, and although I disapprove what he's done in the past there's no reason he should have his account deleted.

First of all, are the Bog beasts+treants+ancients+golems classified as elementals ingame ? You WoWwikians just spend hours on the wiki without playing WoW : the best proof would be an ingame screenshot for every race.-- Kirochi (talk) 07:14, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

Golems: They're constructs. This means they were created (usually by Titans or goblins). How can that make them elementals? If they are, why aren't earthen or bone, steel, and harvest golems? Bogbeasts: Too little is known about them to classify them as elementals. If there's some info in the RPG books that I don't know about, let me know. Until then, they don't fit here. I understand how someone could see them as elementals, though. Treants: These I can somewhat understand as elementals. In the shamanistic faiths of Azeroth, the 5th element is The Wilds and embodies all life; Nature. If there were nature elementals, treants would be them (much like arcane elementals with magic). They're the spirits of the forest in a physical, wooden form. In WC3 to create treants, Keepers of the Grove (may have been a different unit, I'm not sure) by casting a spell on trees. The trees would come to life as treants. Now do you see where I'm coming from? --Kakwakas 23:22, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

According to the wiki's bog beast section: "Unlike animals, they reproduce by seeds. They are elementals of nature. In some ways they reflect the natural order of plants and animals." Ever heard of the Greenwarder in Wetlands? He's as much an elemental as the peace loving treats of Darnassus. --Angellic 10:44, 10 October 2006 (EDT)


 * I'm sorry, but you can't really cite an uncited WoWWiki article to prove another right. If you can find another source for that, then I'll admit I'm wrong about bog beasts.  The element of Nature is a tricky one, and bog beasts being half-plant, half-beast may represent Nature in itself. --Kakwakas 23:43, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

Elemental slaying works against them...-Angellic


 * Hm. I'll give you bog beasts and treants, but I still say golems are CONSTRUCTS and not elementals. --Kakwakas 18:03, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

Actually that too... Golems are indeed constructs but they were given life by Elemental Magic; the same force that gave life to every other elemental you see before you. This magic might not have been a direct gift of the old gods or Cenarius (treats) but you can find elemental essence anywhere.--Angellic 02:02, 19 October 2006 (EDT)


 * It seems, that in WoW, if you aren't a mechanical or undead construct, you immediately get classified as elemental (magic/mana is a minor element of sorts, like nature). --Adonzo 13:05, 3 January 2007 (EST)

[TBC]Elementals in outlands
How do these fit into our knownledge of elementals (i.e. they are the armies of the old gods on Azeroth). It explains orc/dreanei/ogre shamanism, but also makes our description of them as minions of the old gods insufficient. --Gromagrim 29 October 2006


 * The elementals weren't CREATED by the Old Gods. They were ENSLAVED. --Kakwakas 17:25, 30 October 2006 (EST)


 * With Cyrukh the Firelord's existance, if following the theory that the Old Gods ruled everything, not just Azoroth, and just used Azoroth as their throneworld, maybe there are four lords for each planet?-- 00:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well there are lesser firelords under Ragnaros hisself as well.Baggins 00:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * True. So each planet had a Lord under the four main ones, perhaps?-- 01:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe. No idea. Though in Molten Core there were quite a few firelords.Baggins 02:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Page Needs to be cleaned up
It's bloated, and when I follow a link to Water Elemental or w/e, it's kind of annoying. The basic elementals (Water/Air/Fire/Earth) need their own pages as well. Instead of going into detail on all of the different elementals in game, this should consist of a nice list, like the other mob class pages. --Adonzo 13:05, 3 January 2007 (EST)

I have a question...
What happen to the lementals when they are killed? When they got killed, they usually disapear leaving nothing but some object like bracer, armor, weapon or helm. By example : Ragnors got defeated in MC but he was defeated by the Titan once. Well, I'd like you to answer plz.---Firelord- 11:14, 12 January 2007 (EST)


 * IMO the only way to kill an elemental would be to slay them on the Elemental Plane. Their bracers are what bind them to this plane of existance, and to kill them here really only banishes them  back to the elemental plane.  As such, Ragnaros, Thunderaan and other elementals aren't really dead IMO.  --Adonzo 21:23, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Fungal Giants are not elementals
Every single fungal giant I've found in game has the "giant" classification under their name, not elemental. I'm not sure why people keep on trying to say they are all "elementals".Baggins 12:13, 26 January 2007 (EST)


 * Agreed. 12:14, 26 January 2007 (EST)

One of the fungal giant bosses in the steambog errr whatever the naga controlled instance collection in Zmarsh was (I am bad at names)quagmirian or the other 1 was classed elemental (at least in the article i am assuming ingame info is the bassis) does this need correction or is it true ingame and an exeption.Scorpx3 21:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)scorpx3

What about Phoenixes
On Al'ar's article and the phoenix article it says phoenixes are elementals and Al'ar is catagorized as an elemental. Shouldnt they be added on this page then? Mr.X8 19:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Mana Elementals
Should be listed under 'false elementals' as well, because they aren't REALLY elementals (they don't have their own area on the elemental plane). Saimdusan 01:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They are a type of air elemental, as noted in the article under 'mana surge'. -- 12:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Additonally we learn of another conglomerate elemental in game, called an arcane elemental, that is made up of all four elements.Baggins 22:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Shadow elemental?
The article has no mentions of shadow elementals, and I've never seen one in the official lore either. However, a recent heroic run reminded me that Darkweaver Syth invokes a mob that looks like standard elementals (with bracers), is flagged as elemental type and is immune to all shadow techniques (including fear and banish). Any clue about shadow elementals? Or should we assume this is an error, or it is not a true elemental but was flagged as such for gameplay purpose? Spectras 11:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Friendly Elementals
There is no mention in this article of the various friendly elementals that exist. Some of which are 'tamed' by the Earthen Ring such as Gordawg, Incineratus, Kalandrios and Aborius in Throne of the Elements in Nagrand. Also there is Temper in Emberglade on Azuremyst Isle. And likely a few others that I forgot about. Omikayaan 20:04, 04 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is what stuck out to me, how all elementals are described as being violent and irrational. What is shamanism all about?? Bringing peace to the elements! How does this fit at all with this description of constantly warring elementals. They mention the water elemental mages can summon, well, what about the fire and earth ones a shaman's totems can call? Most of the lore I've seen describes warring elementals as "corrupted" mobs in Shadowmoon are even blamed for this, along with certain factions in nagrand. A lot has been overlooked here I think. Lunula (talk) 07:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Poison Elemental
Where does the poison elemental Noxxion fit in? TheSatyr (talk) 20:54, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say Noxxion is still a water elemental, although a corrupted one. See also Poisoned Water. 21:12, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the fast and well-sourced answer :) TheSatyr (talk) 21:20, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Old Gods enslaved elementals after they arrived
From UVG pg 176 (link): "Elementals are manifestations of volatile energy. Their exact origins are unknown. These innately chaotic entities once raged freely on the primordial Azeroth until the Old Gods arrived and enslaved them. As servants of the Old Gods, the elementals were later defeated by titanic forces and banished to a specially crafted prison known as the Elemental Plane. Although most elementals remain in the Elemental Plane, they can be summoned to Azeroth by those who seek to use their power." --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 05:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Murmur
Murmur's classification as an elemental is not just a gameplay term. He's called an elemental in his DJ description: "In the beginning"... "So far away"... such phrases cannot begin to describe this elemental's origin. Its existence heralds pure destruction. Worlds shatter and the pieces scatter at its whim. Only the truly mad would think to summon it. Perhaps there is yet time to banish Murmur before it fully enters Outland. He's not bound to any specific planet (as he just demolishes them) and is described as a "cosmic being" in The Codex of Blood. I'm not sure where to move him in the page since he's kinda unique. Specific Elemental Types in a new category of "Sound"? --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 05:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)