Talk:Ilk of Cenarius

Basis for page
I'm not sure this really needs to be a page, much less a category, if the only time this term is used descriptively, is by a single blood elf. PeterWind (talk) 12:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There actually was a similar page and it got merged into Cenarius. -- 12:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * :point up: --Ryon21 (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Google definition of the word ilk "a type of person or thing similar to one already referred to." and this is what they are.
 * In the Cenarius' Legacy the ilk of Cenarius name is used alongside kaldorei, it is the only reference for a collective name that is not gender specific. And as with any other creature type on the wiki where a name is from a single reference.
 * They are the same race as can be clearly seen, and being sons, daughters and descendants of one another.
 * The deleted similar page had RPG info name from the Manual of Monsters RPG book where Cenarius children is a name that also included the centaur, and the Cenarius's favored children name is used in HPG a retold legend where Cenarius had 3 children with one named Centaur where the other two were keeper of the grove and dryad as "Cenarius's favored children". Mrforesttroll (talk) 18:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The thing is that "ilk" is not a unique word like kaldorei. Neither it is capitalized. In any case, "children of Cenarius" is a far more used phrase to refer to Cenarius' kind. But it was decided to merge for something I don't remember. But it's okay and there's really no need for this page as having it in Cenarius' page is good enough. It's not like we have a page for every related race, nor there is a need for it. --Ryon21 (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "Children of Cenarius" isn't used officially as far as I can find (the closest use is the RPG "Cenarius's children" group name which includes the centaur), if the "Children of Cenarius" name is used then where? The wiki has a page for every race, this race is the only one that has gender specific pages. And of course the "Ilk of Cenarius" is the name taken from the quest text not just "Ilk". Mrforesttroll (talk) 19:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ilk is just a descriptive word. If this phrase was common, I feel that could change things. One descriptive sentence by one character one time? Either way, it seems to me that nothing on this page would be unique. It would just be information that could be put on the page for Cenarius himself. PeterWind (talk) 19:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ilk is just a descriptive word yes, but in a descriptive page for them as a race, and there is a need for a page if they are a defined race of characters which they are. Even if (doesn't have to be) all other info for them is left on their specific pages for their genders and their progenitor. Also when it's "ilk of Cenarius" it's clearly for this specific use, even if by just that one blood elf Braelyn Firehand, and if it's used by a character in-game it can be used here as well. Mrforesttroll (talk) 19:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * First off, before editing every page to add the "ilk of Cenarius" you should wait until a consensus is reached. Second, the more used term to describe them is "Cenarius' children" or "Cenarius's children" more than the one I said. At least one quest has that. And fans also know them more by it. But either way, the name was also abandoned for the same reason as this page's name. It's a descriptive term to englobe all Cenarius' descendants rather than a unique and capitalized name. Something that can simply be put on Cenarius' page. Tbh, a lot of "races" pages should not probably exist, unless they are given what I said before. If we had to create a page for every single model Blizzard creates we would bloat it. And as far as I can tell, Dryads and Keepers of the Grove, though they could obviously be (and probably are) the sames species (male and female I mean), lorewise it has not been confirmed, hasn't it? Dryads are born from seeds, not by pregnancy. I could be wrong with this last thing though. --Ryon21 (talk) 19:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There is literally no difference between this and the old Children of Cenarius page. One NPC using the word "ilk" instead of "children" doesn't make it a specific use that now needs its own page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I won't edit pages until discussed further. Please link the quest that has them named as Cenarius' children, it's used in the fanbase but I couldn't find it's official use anywhere even though you say it's more prominent I can't find it being used once (outside the 2 RPG things). The term is different for the use of the word ilk means those specifically that look like him. And pages should exist if they are a definition of something as prominent as a race. Yes dryad are born from seed is canon from Traveler: The Spiral Path. They call each other brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, there's really no reason to think that's some sort of title. I really don't see where Ryon21 defined what should "races" pages need to exist from what's written above? Mrforesttroll (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it was this one: Heeding the Call. What I meant, all these races (dryads, keepers, centaurs*, are all children of Cenarius, not just the first two), they all came from him, and they already have proper race page. That last part, I meant that a race needs to have a proper unique name, and be different from others. The thing is, you're building this page as if the "ilk of Cenarius" are dryads and keepers when in reality every one of them are said to be descendant of him (except the centaur). This page is not a race page but a group of races. That's why it'd make more sense to just having it on Cenarius's page as it is.--Ryon21 (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This term is a weird name to cite.-- 22:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ye i'm not seeing what makes "ilk of cenarius" any less a descriptive phrase than "children of cenarius." just because a character said it doesn't make it an official title. and although we do frequently borrow descriptive phrases from dialogue to use as titles, i think in this case "ilk" is the worse option because it's less immediately obvious what it's referring to. "children" just makes sense from a reader perspective.
 * but anyway, regardless of all that, i really don't think we should make pages just to have them exist. i imagine there's very little information one could add to this article that wouldn't fit perfectly well on dryad, keeper of the grove, or Cenarius, which kinda dooms it to being a glorified disambiguation page. i just don't see it having much use—and imo, pages that have little use only add clutter to the wiki —Eithris (talk) 23:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * if the "children of cenarius" page was nuked, then this one goes too. Xporc (talk) 16:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is just the same thing as the "Cenarius' children" page but with a worse name. Nuke it. -- 19:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)