Talk:World of Warcraft: The Comic

Interesting comments by Metzen
Metzen discusses how he personally views orcs as noble, and loves the theme, but most people at Blizzard view their orcs as evil gankers, and bad asses. Not wishy washy, poetry readers. He sees Thrall as a messiah character, to find racial idenity and their powers again, so they don't have to be monsters. He then says there is a need for an anti-thrall character, a human character, someone that can perceive them for the threat they could be. He then brings up an interesting scenario; What if Thrall didn't exist? He thinks it would be catastrophic. Does all the orcs really buy into all this peace and stuff? ...or is it just the power of thrall, magnitude of him, and the faith of him as a leader that keep them all civil. But if anything were to happen to thrall, heaven forbid, it could be horrific. He says its something that makes him lay awake at night and go "Ya!!". It could be pretty rad. He knows most people see orcs as "evil" he wants to account for the people who enjoy orcs of that type as well. He has to find balance between both views, allowing it to be viewed from many pov, as being pro-horde, pro-alliance or neither depending on the individual reading it, creating a kind of balance.-Metzen -Baggins 09:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's hard to picture a peaceful orc after watching the original WoW opening cutscene showing that orc swing around that club. Although, that may have just been the Bloodlust...  09:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, sounds like we may have a Caverns of Time scenario, something that prevents Thrall from existing.

BTW, does anyone agree with me that Wildstorm may not be the best choice for producing a WOW comic? This could be short sighted, but after butchering the Resident Evil series with the comics they based on it (thank god Capcom didn't take that stuff as canon), I'm hardly filled with confidence, even with Metzen's adherance to lore (which is admittedly dubious given what's occurred in BC-draenei/eredar lore anyone?)

Meh. That's just me.--Hawki 10:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Course the orcs would be different without Thrall. Imagine the humans without Lothar or other important leaders. In the beggining they were barbaric and tribal like everyone else. One thing people forget,is that Thrall didn't change the Horde from scratch,he helped regained what the Burning Legion had stolen from them.


 * Judging by comments my Metzen(including saying that the unnamed human is a bad dude) and he wants to kill Horde its pretty safe to say he's somewhat villianous. Anyway as it stands orc are generally more accepting and willingly to make peace the humans.


 * As for what happens if Thrall doesn't exist well thats simple,the end of Azeroth this is shown in the Caverns of time. Zarnks 11:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Somehow I doubt that the human will be a villian per se; few stories portray a villain as a main character, especially in a medium as simple as a comic book. True, a 'villainous past' is one thing (especially with that cliche memory loss thing...ugh), but I doubt that'll be a trait that remains manifest.

As for the 'making peace thing...' well, I can see where this could head. We don't want to make this a flame page ;)Hawki 13:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Varian Wrynn, King of Stormwind, disappeared off the coast of Kalimdor. His questline was dropped. He was a warrior.

He was going to a diplomatic conference in Theramore. Having the King of Stormwind enslaved by a few unsavory Orcs might be interesting, especially if he was considering peace before.

The Alliance currently lacks strong leaders. This story could be an attempt to give Stormwind a beefier, hands-on king that is the Alliance's answer to Thrall.

Also note the giant Stormwind lion on the mysterious human's belt buckle.

Varian was going to a peace conference. The Defias attack may have been coordinated by Orcs and corrupt nobles who didn't want the hostilities to end. And it'd be a strong choice if this series built up to Varian reclaiming the throne and throwing Lady Prestor out of Stormwind. That way, the comic could progress from a low level zone in Kalimdor through an epic battle with Onyxia, which is a nice portrait of the pre-Burning Crusade game from both sides. Addam 13:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we can consider the series as post-BC, considering the presence of a draenei. They arrived after the blood elves had joined the Horde after all.--Hawki 11:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's now been confirmed to take place before BC, at least before the Exodar crash (though, perhaps still after the Blood Elves started working with the Horde). There's not actually a Draenei character in it, people just jumped to conclusions because there's a Draenei figure. Suzaku 10:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

First six World of Warcraft Comic Pages
Can we put the pages from http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/10/12/exclusive-look-first-world-of-warcraft-comic-pages-writer-says-its-true-to-game/ in the article. Zakolj 10:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a page number Six here if someone is interested. Zakolj 19:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it would go against fair use.Baggins 22:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

All the Slavery
Does it say where the rogue & druid were bought? And the fact that Redeye was a slave, no one cares that 3 sentinent races are slaves? Especially now that the Blood Elves are in the Horde, I find it odd that the Horde has Horde races as slaves. Alliance I can understand since they hate each other. &#123;&#123;User:Mr.X8/Sig}} 21:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * But it doesn't seem odd to you for a human, a blood elf, a night elf, and an orc to be fighting together as a team? Frankly, I don't think it's a matter of "the Horde" having Horde races as slaves at all, but rather Rehgar having Horde and Alliance races as slaves. Clearly, the underground gladiator networks operate outside of the standard Horde/Alliance relations, at least to some degree. The slavery also seems more like indentured servitude: Redeye was purchased from authorities after being arrested, and bought his own freedom after earning enough money, meaning it can also be a path to freedom. The relationship between Rehgar and Broll also doesn't seem to be particularily hostile.


 * So, I imagine it's more-or-less a natural part of the gladiator scene. I'm sure there are plenty of warriors who fight of their own free will, others who are forced into it, and others who are using it to pay off debts or get out of prison. Suzaku 22:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * "doesn't seem odd to you for a human, a blood elf, a night elf, and an orc to be fighting together as a team?"


 * Not really, actually it seems to be following the scale in the RPG a bit closer in that respect. There are several short stories and of course Brann's account's that have Horde and Alliance races working together fairly well. While its not entirely peaceful there is a bit of the comradery one saw at the battle of mount hyjal.


 * However I think a better question is how did the night elf get into a situation to get put into the slavery in the first place? I think it better explains how orcs could end up in slavery. Not sure about blood elf though.


 * I don't know about you but it seems Regher has mirrored thrall's life somewhat, but in a darker way. Both were in the gladiatorial arenas, both became shamans. However, Thrall wanted to abolish slavery, Rehger wants to embrace it.Baggins 22:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I just download the *six* page preview from DC Comics. On the sixth page, Rehgar knocks the human unconcious and has him chained and caged. Broll tells Rehgar that he's playing with fire to capture a "free human", due to the treaty between the Horde and Alliance. Rehgar, replies, quite sinisterly, that the captured human is an army deserter, and will fight for him until proven otherwise. So, clearly, there are guidelines in place. As for Broll, he's supposed to be consumed by rage, right? Maybe he mauled the wrong guy. Valeera's description makes it sound easy for her to get in trouble. Suzaku 23:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently Valeera stole a talisman from a Horde shaman, and was thrown into a Horde jail, where Rehgar bought her as his slave to become a gladiator.Baggins 17:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Gladiators illegal
Several words in the comic seems to suggest collosieums are illegal in the Horde and Alliance. They are described as underground and his riches are described as hidden. The network is also called underground in the first panel. Zarnks 00:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does seem to be the case. What's your point?  --Flyspeck 00:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

They could also be a reference to the coliseums ingame. Zarnks 00:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, the Crimson Ring itself is underground, however strangely, its apparently gladiatorial fights are well known enough that Bloodeye became a major gladiatorial champion among the orcs of the Horde, the "Orcs' favored champion" in the "Fight Circuit". Perhaps the orcs know of it, but the rest of the Horde of the is in the dark about these gladiatorial fights? Baggins 00:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Well they did say the riches were hidden. But its probably just a referering to the coliseum battleground ingame Zarnks 00:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually think these arena games may actually be a reference to the Arena PvP games in the MMO. Its not underground and well known in both factions as one learns if you talk to the barkers in the cities. However whoever is in charge of the games (likely this Crimson Ring), and the gambling system is probably underground and running illegal gambling operations.Baggins 00:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The background of the Gurubashi Arena might have a connection too. Apparently the Horde support the games there as well. No as far as I know the games aren't considered illegal. But one has to be careful not to be captured and enslaved as a gladiator.Baggins 00:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The arena system in game is run by the Steamwheedle Cartel, and doesn't seem to be illegal in the least, as its representatives are in all the capital cities in the game. --Flyspeck 00:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The Alliance has also been known for gladiators ever since Lord of the clans. We should mention that its probably a refference to the battleground. Zarnks 00:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, although as far as we now most of the Alliance arenas were closed up after Thrall destroyed Blackmoore and freed most of the orcs, and after most of Lordaeron fell.
 * It is also interesting to note that Horde have a nice big arena inside the city of Orgrimmar as well, and there is that Arena on that island in the Barrens as well, where warriors of many races challenge each other.Baggins 00:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Flyspeck the point is I don't think gladiatorial games in general are considered illegal, however what goes on behind the games may be. The games are quite popular among both factions in the world as far as the lore seems to show.Baggins 00:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah Fray island. Zarnks 00:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh ya you can't see them in game because of the scale issue, but ratchet also has its own gladiatorial arenas as well.
 * "In addition to commerce, Ratchet hosts a series of arenas that sponsor gladiatorial tournaments. These enormously popular tourneys are open to all comers, and winners can reap enormous prizes. The princes of the Golden Circle often hire those who distinguish themselves in the arenas, either as bodyguards or as caravan escorts."
 * Hmm, Golden Circle? Crimson Ring?--Baggins 00:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * How about some Dwarven culture as related by Brann;
 * "We also have contests — usually revolving around warfare. Marksmanship contests, sparring, jousting, gladiatorial combat — you name it, we do it! But we also play other games, too. Team and individual sports, as well as a wide variety of board games. Some are even imports from human cities, but for the most part we play our own creation. "

...of course info about the Ring of Valor.--Baggins 01:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's more;
 * "The city of Orgrimmar serves as the center of civilization in this arid and hostile land. Orgrimmar stands as one of the mightiest warrior cities in the world. Shamans council the young and train the spiritual leaders of the future while warriors hone themselves in gladiator pits and fierce contests of skill and battle. "

--Baggins 01:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

We should create an article on coliseums. Zarnks 02:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

We could use the official name in The TBC Manual, "Gladiatorial arenas", or "Gladiatorial games".Baggins 02:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It would seem that some of these Orgrimmar is allowing some of these prize-winning death tournaments into the city as well, I haven't gotten my copy of the comic yet, but overview seems to imply that arena is used more than just troll and orc warrior training, but for the gladiator training.Baggins 17:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Subscription issues
So who else is having problems with their subscriptions? I still haven't gotten my copy of the first issue, and there is no direct contact information from the Warcraft Comic's website...Baggins 17:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You can keep track of the issue on their official forums in this topic. I've made two posts on the second page, and pretty much the more replies i get, the work the situation looks. : / --  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal  20:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

ISBN equivalent?
Do comics have an ISBN equivalent? I can't find it in Canada, and I bet it's just not titled correctly. Kimera757 12:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * They don't afaik, ISBN's are limited to books and comics don't seem to have anything similar in place :/ --  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 00:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Characters page
Just wandering do we need a Characters page because this article is getting big and the Character list will increase in time. Zakolj 15:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think the character lists should be limited to story arcs (whatever a TPB is called) and individual issues, and not on the this page.Baggins 17:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * So you mean to create something like World of Warcraft: The Comic Story Arc and move the information about  Characters and Issue introductions there. Zakolj 17:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Nah that would be too long of a name. We wouldn't split pages out like that until there is a TPB release. Then we would go by the TPB subtitle. For now it would be best to have major characters listed on this page, and related issue pages, and minor and cameo characters listed per issue.Baggins 23:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Why would they need to exist on the wiki any differently from other lore characters? :S Doesn't seem like this even needs a discussion. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 00:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They don't have to exist any differently, what we are discussing is avoiding page bloating, by having a huge list. Remember if the comic lasts 50 issues (which I personally doubt will happen with its current issues), a character list on this page could be hundreds of characters long. So to follow what we do for novel, or manga character lists, like Tides of Darkness, or each of the Sunwell Trilogy, we need to limit them to specific issues and/or by the Trade Paperback Subtitle articles.Baggins 00:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why. The examples you gave are seperate publication titles, the comic is just one for the near future. Just use a category and on this page have the main constant characters. Meh. Only reason i care is because i thought this through when i was working on a manga chapter list with publication details on wikipedia, and doing what you suggest is really going beyond the scope of whats needed. List apperances on the character's page, no the other way around, and no need to split this article up unless it recieves a new collection in a seperate volume of some sorts. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 02:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Unconfirmed characters are they needed
Do we need a list of characters based on action figure in this article, I mean if some of them do appear they will be added easily. Zakolj 12:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Probably not, they should be listed on an "action figures" page.Baggins 17:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

"The Comic"
Is it really called World of Warcraft: The Comic" on the issues themselves, or just "World of Warcraft"?Baggins 04:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's just called World of Warcraft. The words "the comic" were used to disambiguate, I believe. -- 18:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Five pages from issue 3
Found Five pages of issue 3 online, seems to be a Defias Rogue shadowing Lo'Gosh. The Rogue gives his report too a shadowy figure who appears to be female and tells Gakca to inform the Stormwind assassins guild, the plot thickens. http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/01/11/exclusive-a-sneak-peek-at-world-of-warcraft-issue-3/#more-1989 14:58, 15 January 2008


 * I'm gonna caution against the assumption of a shadowy figure with long hair being a female. All you can really tell is that they have long hair, wear armor, and are later shown in a hooded cloak while speaking to a member of the Assassin's Guild (a man in black leather with long, braided, blond hair). I just finished reading the issue, and I have to say that #3 seems to finally be kicking the story into gear. It essentially confirms that Lo'gosh is Varian Wrynn, it introduces that shadowy (sure-to-be-overarching) villain, Gakca, and an assassin, and even a bit of new mythology dealing with the ghost wolf demigod Lo'gosh (known to all races with different myths and names), that seems to tie in with Ghost Howl. Sharptalon even makes an appearance, along with some other familiar names. Quite interesting, indeed. Suzaku 08:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Covers
Ok, we have a sever lack of cover images (and no, that does not mean cover artwork). The ones we do have (except #0), are all artwork, which is only going to do for galleries, and they're also all in varied sizes. So i'm requesting that those who can scan up the covers they have in a standard size. 400x600px seems perfectly fine, and is the standard size WC have been using for them on their own site and is thus a good standard size for us to use under fair use for both covers and artwork (not the vast array of sizes Blizzplanet have released and the MTV watermarked ones).

Also to note, there are A and B variant covers for each issue, with Jim Lee's always being B and Samwise Didier's always being A after the first issue. Second print runs are all C variant covers, which are black and white versions of A (issue 1) or B (issue 2).

Name Structure:
 * WoW Comic v1 0-a.jpg - Volume 1, cover A
 * WoW Comic 1 0-a.jpg - Issue 1, cover A
 * WoW Comic 1 0-b (artwork).jpg - Issue 1, cover B artwork

What we have

 * Volume 1, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Volume 1, cover A artwork @ 400x600px (same as Issue 1, cover B artwork)


 * Issue 0, cover @ 400x600px


 * Issue 1, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 1, cover A artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 1, cover B artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 1, cover C artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 2, cover A artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 2, cover B @ 366x567px (Wrong Size)
 * Issue 2, cover C artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 3, cover A artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 3, cover B @ 328x500px (Wrong Size)
 * Issue 3, cover B artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 3, cover C artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 4, cover A artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 4, cover B @ 400x623px (Wrong Size)
 * Issue 4, cover B artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 5, cover A artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 5, cover B @ 400x621px (Wrong Size)


 * Issue 6, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 6, cover B @ 400x618px (Wrong Size)
 * Issue 6, cover A artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 7, cover A artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 7, cover b @ 400x600px


 * Issue 8, cover A artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 9, cover A artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 10, cover A artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 11, cover A artwork @ 400x600px

What we need

 * Issue 1, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 1, cover C @ 400x600px


 * Issue 2, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 2, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 2, cover B artwork @ 400x600px
 * Issue 2, cover C @ 400x600px


 * Issue 3, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 3, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 3, cover C 400x600px


 * Issue 4, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 4, cover B @ 400x600px


 * Issue 5, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 5, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 5, cover B artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 6, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 6, cover B artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 7, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 7, cover B artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 8, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 8, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 8, cover B artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 9, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 9, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 9, cover B artwork @ 400x600px


 * Issue 10, cover A @ 400x600px
 * Issue 10, cover B @ 400x600px
 * Issue 10, cover B artwork @ 400x600px

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 * I hope you don't mind, but I edited your list myself to make some changes and corrections so that it's a bit easier to manage... Missing covers (red links) need only to be uploaded. I can handle the missing Jim Lee covers. Suzaku 21:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I do mind, because you've added things that really aren't needed, and confused the matter of where images are uploaded at the wrong size/name etc. So, i'm going to be changing it back i'm afraid. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 21:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I listed the actual resolutions my personal scans were in when I uploaded them (rather than cropping portions of the cover to make it fit 400x600). The covers you scanned in are also not an exact 400x600 resolution, despite being listed as such: Issue 2 B is at 366x567, and Issue 3 B is at 328x500.
 * Also, I'm confused... how exactly did I "confuse the matter of where images are uploaded", or the names? I didn't change any names, or "where" they are uploaded, whatever that means. I just reordered the list and included direct links to the issue articles, so that their individual galleries could be more easily edited. Seperating them into seperate have/miss lists seemed redundant, as links to missing scans will automatically show up in red...
 * Oh well. Sorry if I made a mess. I'll just let you handle the cover art stuff, I guess. Suzaku 04:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Incase you missed it, the idea was to ensure all the images, both cover and artwork are 400x600. All images of artwork i have uploaded are from dc directly, or cropped and scaled scans from blizzplanet, all covers i've uploaded are from blizzplanet or elsewhere, once again, cropped and resized. They are all 400x600, and none of them are my own scans. By merging the seperate lists, it could no longer be seen what images had been uploaded at the wrong size and needed new ones, as the links will not be red, same goes for people uploading the incorrect images under a name.
 * This is clearly evident by the fact, when i had to split the list back again, i had to manually check what images are uploaded at the wrong size. As you pointed out, i missed a few because of this. Those images are clearly marked on thier pages, that they need a new one uploaded at 400x600, and that is why they needed to be split. As they were already at a lower scale from their sources, i could not provide the correct size myself and simply provided what sizes was available at that time. Please, feel free to upload replacements for them.


 * The list wasn't meant to provide a one stop link resource for editing articles, thus the article links weren't needed, can use the article this talk page belongs to for that already. For easier reading however, i did seperate each grouping of issues for you.
 * As i'd imagine it wasn't conveyed through simple text, there was no anger or malice behind my previous reply or this one. I've no problem with other people editing the list, it's just what you did made things difficult to keep track of. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 17:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

To-Do List
I'm gonna write up a little to-do list for the article, I'll get to what I can when I have free time, but won't be able to do it all on my own...


 * Make some changes to the Issue #1 summary
 * Summarize Issue #2
 * Summarize Issue #3
 * Rewrite and expand the Lo'Gosh article, possibly move to Lo'Gosh (human) and create a disambiguation page?
 * Create a Lo'Gosh (demigod) article, with a redirect from Goldrinn.
 * Expand articles for more prominent supporting characters.
 * Create articles for minor characters in #2 and #3.
 * Create an article for the mysterious villain?
 * Add bits to the articles for pre-existing characters/creatures who have appeared, such as Magatha Grimtotem or Sharptalon.
 * Create a Stormwind Assassins' Guild article, and a Cave Elemental article.

That's all I can think of for now. I can also upload pictures of the characters/creatures if need be, I suppose. Suzaku 00:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * All sounds good to me :) These articles will be under alot of construction and expansion for a while i'd imagine. -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal </li><li style="display: inline;"> http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal </li></ul> 01:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice one. Would be nice to see more on the Lo'Gosh page, including more pictures of him from the comic. Can his class be clarified as Warrior,Gladitor instead of Gladiator(Presumed)!? Clearly stated as a Gladiator in the comic numerous times (Valnar 13:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC))

There already is a Stormwind Assassins' Guild article under Stormwind Assassins. Zakolj 13:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Continuity Question
I've always heard the Comic takes place 1 year before WoW, which in-turn means 2 years before BC I would assume (No draenei around yet we can assume)

The comic is clearly following Varian Wrynn's story of what happened after he got abducted, in World of warcraft the only thing we know of Varian is Jaina is investigating finding him but is having trouble locating him and the quest-line ends with her telling Bolvar about the Defias connection to kidnapping him

now in Comic #6 Jaina reveals Lo'Gosh's past and who he is, so this can be assumed to take place after the Missing Diplomat quest cause Jaina has found him

so does that mean even though the first few issues take place 1 year before WoW by #6 it will be current time-line or even a little ahead of WoW's time-line? Genova 09:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The comic doesn't takes place 1 year before WoW, it's happening more or less at the same time that BC, or maybe a little before. Warcraft movie, on the other hand, is confirmed to take place 1 year before WoW, so maybe that's what you heard.--Morgaur 23:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just went back and did some more checking and the guy who's writing it was asked when It takes place he clearly says "It's happening in the Present"

so everything I wrote earlier can now be stamped VOID, everything that's happening in the comic is happening in WoW at the moment, so Jaina can be assumed to be uncovering the Defias abduction while Varian is doing the Lo'Gosh story and by issue #6 It could all come-together. Genova 02:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly certain that it's set before BC, but after WoW (seemingly, after the blood elves joined the Horde, but before the arrival of the Exodar). Regardless of the questline in WoW, it was stated that the comic occurs before TBC, specifically, before the Exodar landed on Azeroth, which is why no Draenei will be appearing in the comic. It was stated in an interview, I don't remember where, but it had to do with people assuming that all of the figures would be turned into characters, which wasn't the case. Sorry I can't back that up offhand, but maybe someone else will remember and can point it out. Suzaku 09:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I just found it...


 * "The events in the comic book take place after World of Warcraft: Cycle of Hatred."
 * The story takes place at, "The present."
 * "The Exodar crash isn't part of this story which occurs post-Burning Crusade."
 * - http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/730/


 * I'm not sure how to read the third question, as it was in response to a person asking about the Exodar having to crash "pre-Burning Crusade", if there was to be a Draenei character. I'm not sure if he's saying the story occurs post-Burning Crusade, or if he's saying the crash occurs post-Burning Crusade. /boggle Suzaku 09:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I kinda have a question about the character profiles, since the story takes place in the Present continuty, should we periodically change stuff in their bio, like If Lo'Gosh is in Ashenville as he will be in issue #4 should his "Location" be changed from Unknown to Ashenville? and If he technically isn't a slave anymore due to him escaping should his Status be changed to something else? also It's assumed at the moment he's going to fight the Horde alongside the Night Elves in issue #4 so should his affiliation be changed from "Neutrel" to "Alliance"?

I'm not asking just about Lo'Gosh but for the comic characters in General, cause this stuff is technically happening in the here and now and quite a bit may happen in an issue. Genova 05:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say you couldn't really change his affiliation atm since politically he hasn't rejoined the alliance. A mercenary could fight on the side of the alliance against the horde for the right money if you get my drift. Granted he fought the horde, but one could argue he also "helped" the horde by destroying the elemental, still doesn't make him part of the horde. I would say you could change his affiliation the minute he fully rejoins alliance politics, which will most likely be soon.BaskinRidge 16:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Villain..
Im not sure if Im allowed to post it here but .. well, time will show. Who do you think the villain-in-the-shadows is? Im pretty sure its a black dragon since the ones that captured Lo'gosh was nagas, (he's obviously not a naga) defias (VanCleef is rather dead) and black dragons... What if its DEATHWING?! :O

Deathwing's whereabouts are currently unknown, true, but he seems to be busy in Outland- likely it's either his son, Nefarion (Lord Victor Nefarius) (possibly deceased), or daughter Onyxia (Lady Katrana Prestor- perfectly placed) who are running the plots. Prestor has already (both in-game and in-comic) done her best to dissuade investigation into the Black Dragonflight occurrences, which hints that if not running it, she's at least aware of the machinations. evanfardreamer (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Onyxia. Even in the game, the signs are pretty clear that she's the one behind both the Defias uprising and their capture of Varian Wrynn. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Garona Halforcen
Well guys, it's been officially announced that there will be a number 15 that will feature Garona Halforcen as one of the characters. Source: .--Morgaur (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Pandaren?
There was a World of Warcraft: "Panderans" hardcover announced on Blizzplanet, but they later took it down. It's also vanished from Barnes & Noble and from Amazon.com. However, it can be found at a few other sites, see here: http://www.addall.com/New/Partner.cgi?query=9781401226992&type=ISBN

It's allegedly due in June 2010. Given that it has an ISBN, it's probably not a hoax as such, but it's weird to announce a hardcover when those issues haven't come out yet. (And there have been no pandaren issues, either.) PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 18:02, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I created the article for that one days ago: Panderans. It's confirmed to be something, but they won't unveil it yet.
 * Anyway, it's not confirmed to be related to the ongoing series, so putting anything about it at this page would be senseless.--Lon-ami (talk) 19:27, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I missed when blizzplanet announced it; i rarely bother since it went down hill imo, but seeing as it's removed from there and the booksamillion, i should point out that it's not been removed from amazon.co.uk at least, just addall fails at linking. http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-Warcraft-Panderans-Hc-Various/dp/140122699X/ if you want to use it as one of the few remaning sources. -- 11:35, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know this is really old, but at Comic-Con they had some concept artwork on display of a pandaren, but no information on what title it's from. It's either part of the new Horde graphic novel or it's its own mini or hardcover. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 07:18, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Name of the series
I think that the article should be named The Comic, or at least,World of Warcraft: The Comic. Why?

Official page of the comic

This page was originally located at that article name, but it was moved since it was considered a group of different series, but it was later made unique again, so I think it would be right to give it this name.

Opinions?--Lon-ami (talk) 17:51, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I support your idea, if the official site says "World of Warcraft: The Comic" it should be moved to that. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:07, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Super Bhaal (talk) 19:30, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll start changing the stuff to direct to that page. Just one note, as for the page name:
 * World of Warcraft: The Comic or The Comic?
 * Yours to decide.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:58, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: My bad, forgot to unsign the previous post >_<!
 * I prefer World of Warcraft: The Comic. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:02, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh, and, of course, "The Comic" should be applied only to this article. The volumes and other articles should remain just World of Warcraft: whatever, without the "The Comic" before the whatever.--Lon-ami (talk) 21:17, November 27, 2009 (UTC)