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Forums: Village pump → Alternate universes, WoD, Chronicles

So it turns out that Warlords of Draenor wasn't much of an alternate universe. Almost everything that is described or depicted in WoD also happened in the main universe as well. So far we have a lot of articles pointing to alternate characters (example: Pale orc#Speculation) when in truth it happened to both the main and alternate characters. There are also cases where there is no distinguishable differences between the main and the alternate characters, such as K'ara or Rukhmar. What are your views on how we should handle this situation? Xporc (talk) 12:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

My view is that where things are the same, like Rukhmar and the Pale, keep them on the same pages. Otherwise we have two pages that are nearly identical except for the AU one ending in "and then they became a raid boss." I also vouch for merging pages of characters with a version we barely know, like Ga'nar and Romuul, and just having a section devote to AU/MU in biography. In cases where there is an actual difference, like the Warlords or Anzu, then the pages can and should be separated. ReignTG (talk) 12:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
No. My reasoning is: consistency, infoboxes (two? or a big one, remember the mess in Aedelas' infobox?) and alternate universe categories - would it be correct to have it in it?. With World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 2, Ga'nar is a bit longer! :D I also propose to rework the AU pages to the likes of alternate Draka where there is a link to her MU!History for the identical part, so there wouldn't be two same texts. Or maybe someone could point at other wikis about these articles so I can get ideas or be convinced of Reignac's idea. Mordecay (talk) 19:07, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

So let's take a practical case with Imperator Mar'gok. Should we have:

Your opinion? Xporc (talk) 14:25, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

My opinion is just keep them in one article with sections about both universes, but if they must be separated, Imperator Mar'gok should be the AU since he's the one we interacted with and saw in-game, and have Imperator Mar'gok (main universe) for the one we only heard of in Chronicle. ReignTG (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
I believe main universe should always have priority for consistency. Plain names = MU, if not then add ('some info here') next to their name. So Imperator Mar'gok is MU and we would have an Imperator Mar'gok (alternate universe). Otherwise if sometimes plain names = MU and other times plain names = AU, it's inconsistent and confusing.
However there's still the infobox issue brought up in the other talk page. Not sure how to deal with this if we merge both universes into one page with different sections. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Maybe we could solve this through a use of tags like Warlords of Draenor and linebreaks? After all, we already have several NPCs with several different timelines in the same infobox, like Dariness the Learned Xporc (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
In a merged example, yeah, would use Warlords of Draenor and such. ReignTG (talk) 11:40, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

This is starting to get very troublesome. See the Council of Exarchs page: right now all of its links are related to the alternate universe, and yet it apparently existed in the main universe as well. How should we handle this? Xporc (talk) 11:37, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm personally not sure where we should draw the line between a character deserving separate MU/AU pages or not, but in any case I think I agree on normalizing the name formatting for consistency's sake. In other words, all of the main universe character pages just have their main name (Rulkan, Ga'nar, etc.) and their alternate counterparts have "(alternate universe)" (Rulkan (alternate universe), Ga'nar (alternate universe), etc.). -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 13:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Definitely agree. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I think we should start an official vote. So far an obvious consensus hasn't been reached and I'm not sure more discussion will help. At least with votes we can see how many people are in favor of each solution. Xporc (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
By the way, people might want to also take a look at here, we discussed it there too. Xporc (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
A bit late to the game, but if this is still active, and by Imperator Mar'gok (main universe) it seems it is, I agree with the having all MU pages be the plain names, while AU ones should have (alternate universe). Else, it would be very hard to follow, and in some cases might be decided by unrelated opinions "I believe this AU character was more central to the story than the MU one", i.e. Exarch Maladaar's AU appearance is much more prominent than his MU one, yet I'd still argue that the plain name one should be the MU. Celellach (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


Bump. So far I have done and validated these:

These ones are not done for various reasons, mainly because there were debates around them:

I'm pretty sure there are also other people, like Sethe and Rukhmar, which were folded into a single page for both main and alternate versions. Xporc (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Since the MU draenei are already done, I'd love to see MU pages for K'ara, Mar'gok, Lithic, arakkoa gods, Kash'drakor, Golka, Golmash & Gorian Empire for consistency and clean infoboxes & links. Where the histories are the same, have a link to MU as was done from the beginning (Draka (alternate universe)). Mordecay (talk) 23:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
This I feel less concerned about, I merely wanted to enforce consistency between the various already-existing pages. Xporc (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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