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The next expansion...

Note this part of the discussion occurred before BlizzCon. Now BlizzCon has started, it's a free for all ... update away :) Kirkburn talk contr 21:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's gotta be brought up :) Many of you will have noticed info on Cataclysm (the likely name for the next expansion) is out there, in the ether.

I think we should beware about posting the rumours. I'm not exactly sure what opinion Blizzard would have if we did post stuff, but it's probably best to stay on their good side. Come BlizzCon, we can go wild, but before then they probably won't appreciate us plastering spoilers/unreleased info across the wiki.

Also, being cryptic is fun. Kirkburn talk contr 01:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I've doubted worgen becoming playable for a long long time, and I still do... but they did say they have "big plans" for Gilneas... which seeing its next to a horde low level zone would make sense for them to join the horde, although the supposedly "leaked" info says they join the Alliance.. heh we'll see.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 01:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, there's some "big news" (poke poke, nudge nudge) on MMO Champion. If that leak turned out to be true, and we'll know for sure after BlizzCon, are we ready for those kinds of changes to, I dunno, 90% of the wiki? Would we just throw all the "old" pages into a "legacy" bin? I'm kind of scared and thrilled at the same time.

Howbizr^(t·c) 10:14 PM, 14 Aug 2009 (EDT)

I can see them doing some of the changes that revamp some of the older dungeons, but I do not see them totally redoing Kalimdor & Eastern Kingdoms (what Northrend was untouched by the Cataclysm?) as far how they land looks! Two reasons for this: (1). This would mean they would have to make these changes apply to the all of the player that have never upgraded their original World of Warcraft game up to The Burning Crusade much less Wrath of the Lich King. (2). What would new player do at lower levels under these newer conditions and where would they go to do some instances / raids at the lower levels?

I can see them maybe (just maybe) adding flying mounts to the lands. As to the Template:Worgen Race and Template:Goblin Race races, I can see them more of being neutral to start off with and you having to do quests to choose to be in either the

Alliance or

Horde faction and being able to use the new Faction Change ability to switch back and forth between the two, for a fee and with a cooldown of course. But most of the rest of the information on MMO Champion just seems to be too outlandish, I do not mean Outland like either, to me. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

02:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna be honest, what I've seen at MMO-Champ really just confirms something I've come to believe these past couple weeks: that Blizzard is actively "leaking" misinformation on the new expansion. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Ohh I have suspected that for years, ever since the 1^stCategory:April Fools joke they posted on their web page in 2005 about the Wisps being the new race, created such a stir! They learned the general public is so gullible, that they can leak just a little bit of true facts and plenty of false facts, that it generates a storm of forum postings (guaranteeing that when the patch or expansion comes out it sells great) because it is / has been on the minds of the public for so long. It is almost like for Hollywood stars, bad publicity is good publicity (to a great deal of degree of course). -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

03:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to agree... for them to basically destroy the old world would require a lot more work than say adding Northrend did... they'd have to redo all the starter quests and every quest in every zone... if they did all that was on that MMO champion post, they'd might as well do WoW2 and start fresh (with allowing transfers from WoW), basically what Everquest did... and we all know what happened to that...

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 03:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

With the speed at which they've been churning new content now, I wouldn't say anything is off the table. They have a lot of money and a lot of resources.

Howbizr^(t·c) 12:03 AM, 15 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Such things ruin the surprise, and cause the ravenous masses to get angry if their hopes do not come to fruition. Also, Blizzard frowns on such things. I still hope for a red herring.--SWM24 48 14:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Warcraft herring only appears to come in turquoise or green. Or dead and blue or yellow. Kirkburn talk contr 20:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Or hairy and purple.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 20:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about ruining the fun but... the masks are for a halloween event, the "Worgen Form" is tied to the masks. Probably there won't be any new race, the only thing that can be true are the new class combinations, blizzard recently added npcs with that combinations, but... they might be just npcs... Pudim17 (talk - contr) 13:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think Kirk was trying to say, we all know about the rumor, just don't post about it on the mainspace yet.

Howbizr^(t·c) 10:46 AM, 18 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Aye, exercise restraint. In any case, it's all unconfirmed atm, and we try not to post unconfirmed stuff anyway. If it is true, I think it'll be awesome, and I have little reason to doubt the news. (I don't think it's a major issue to discuss it here, or on the lore forum though, since it's not the public face of the wiki.) Kirkburn talk contr 17:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I try to exercise restraint, but you know how it is with Diminishing Returns... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh god... its all true... everything mmochampion posted has been confirmed at 3:10pm EST. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 19:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Metzen even mentioned the leaks.--SWM24 48 19:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm

Deathwing is just amaziiiiiiiiiing

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 19:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Looking closely, has the water texture been reworked?

Whoa..Deathwing looks amazing but...I can't help noticing.. He's chin looks remarkably like a snowplow...I deem him "Plowface-wing" from now onwards! Siggy time! -- Nicktehplank 21:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the "snowplow" may be armor instead of his actual chin. From the Deathwing article:

"Neltharion's betrayal had struck a great blow to the Aspects, and their fear of being destroyed like the blue dragonflight kept them in seclusion. Deathwing returned to his lair beneath a mountain. His proximity to the Demon Soul was ripping his body apart, so the goblins forged an armor of adamantium to serve as a vessel to contain Deathwing's raging powers and keep them in check. Only the adamantium plates kept the power from destroying his body."

He's probably got more armor around his body. Then again, maybe Blizz forgot about the armor and it really is his chin.--User:Jpsblue/Sig 19:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

You can see armor plating on his shoulder going up towards his wings so the artist that did the image knew about the armor. Leviathon (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

How do you make a new expansion? Easy, blow up an old one. At BlizzCon 2009, the dungeons and raids panel talked about their inspirations. Like when a programmer told them they could put vehicles on top of other vehicles, and then they knew they had to do Voltron (so Mimiron was born). Do they store dynamite in their planning rooms now? --SWM24 48 20:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Merged from Talk:World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

Well, it would make sense, seeing that Blizz just recently claimed the trademark "Cataclysm". Personally, I'd love to see these additions more than anything else right now - the lack of things that are supposed to be there is disturbing. Throan Loremaker (talk) 22:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I feel the 'leaked' list of zones should be removed for the same reasons said here. We need to draw the line somewhere to stem the inevitable flood of rampant speculation.--SWM24 48 00:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=92919.0 Is one of the most well-accepted sources of information, with a number of posters (see page 97 or 98 for two well-thought posts) speculating on in-game content changes that agree with the post. --Xaladar (talk) 13:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

"well-accepted sources" Uhm... yeah. About that.

Not posting unconfirmed rumors for a few days is not going to kill the site. We're an official fansite, so there are rules we need to follow. The instant we get confirmation I bet either I or one of the other attendees will be making posts public. --k_d³ 13:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Mmo-champion is "a well-accepted source", but not "an official well-accepted source"

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 13:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Bah, mmo-champion is just a datamining site that makes assumptions and rumors. Saying its "gathered from reliable sources" tells me nothing... I'll admit I visit mmo champion every so often to hear about new stuff added into the game (but not the patch notes), but I've made my opinions of them known.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well i doubt they're starting a new expansion so soon, wasn't Tigole assigned to an 'Untitled' MMO(Or it might have just been a game..Cant remember ((Im new don't bully me =P))) Cataclysm is most probably it makes sense to me...Either that or blizzard is just pulling our legs/Planning far far ahead.. Siggy time!-- Nicktehplank 23:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It's going to be interesting to see how Blizzard is going to explain this new race/class combination thing. Archmage Rodyn (talk) 19:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Like Coobra said... Oh god!- I don't want any of this to happen! ive not been playing for a while and when i get back i want azeroth(Sorry if i spelled that wrong) be to be the same and why another expansion so soon? im not even friggin' level 80 yet because i stoped a few weeks after WOTLK came out...So..(Im hoping this is a prank but...) reforming everything would mean hundreds and hundreds of hours has been wasted by the Wowwiki community and we're gonna have to start all over again? *Imagines collapse of Wowwiki* Nicktehplank 20:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nicktheplank (talk · contr).

This is great but bad at the same time!Centaur77 (talk) 20:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Blizzcon pictures?

I suppose that the past pictures are taken from the Blizzcon right? If it's correct then I will put it as a source. The only one I doubt is this, can anyone confirm? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 02:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah those are all pictures from BlizzCon 2009, but I do not remember the this being shown. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

16:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Morph. I've added the sources. But there are still two pictures that doesn't have a source:

What should we do with them? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, they were from the official site. I've alredy added the source.

New Portal?

Does this mean there will be a new portal in the tabs, or does that come later when the expansion is in Beta? -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 16:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Atm the main page is the portal for cataclysm, but it'll become its own portal pretty soon. Kirkburn talk contr 17:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Who is working on Cataclysm articles?

Wowinsider clearly has a strong effort, but we seem to be behind. Is anyone working on articles of Cataclysm topics? --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:17 PM PST 21 Aug 2009

Editing in new content

So... the original question... "are we ready for those kinds of changes to, I dunno, 90% of the wiki? Would we just throw all the 'old' pages into a 'legacy' bin?"

They're completely changing stats (removal of attack power, spell power, block, defense, and mp5, so therefore more haste, stam [1]), it's a fair assumption that every item page will be changed in the xpac. That sounds like a lot of work...
Same goes for most of the zones. The descriptions, maps, lore, inhabitants, will probably all be out of date.
Quests, same deal as stats, although they might be easier. I assume many will just be removed vs modified.

So what's the plan here? We probably need a guideline for editing at least or we're going to be doing things in different ways for different parts of the wiki. Howbizr^(t·c) 12:41 PM, 22 Aug 2009 (EDT)

I think atm the best plan is to use a section on the relavant pages to describe the coming changes, along with listing them on the main Cataclysm article. The beta is a long way away, so I wouldn't worry about major changes yet. Kirkburn talk contr 17:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I will go on a Perm vacation when beta comes out - for about 1 year - then when I come back - hopefully all the changes will be updated.

-- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

05:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I have one request/suggestion for edits regarding Cataclysm, based on previous expansions. If all the content related to the expansion is in its own page or section, label or tag that page/section to indicate it's Cataclysm-only (maybe simply the NYI template, or a similar one for Cataclysm), and write everything in the present tense. A lot of the previous expansion-related articles still (or very recently) have language like "death knights will have such-and-such ability", which all then has to get converted to present tense. Just a humble request from my future self. :-) -- Har vey drone 19:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Nelf town in Trailer

Can anyone tell me what Nelf town is at :55 of the Cata trailer? I'm colored blind and have a hard time picking out which area it is from. Thnks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dangerdan88 (talk · contr).

It is the ruins of the Stonetalon Peak night elf town. Leviathon (talk) 18:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

If you can call it a town...

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 19:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess that's one of the fun things about WoW scale: sometimes it really is only two buildings. And sometimes those two represent thirty each :P Kirkburn talk contr 00:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Mounts

OK, follow me on this. Orcs, you see, have worg mounts. (Well, wolves. Close enough for Government work.) And worgs are what the Worgen morph into, right? So, I think that the Worgen racial mount should be Orcs. And I am unanimous in that. Goblins? Those little thieves should be allowed any racial mount seeing as how they "fell off the back of a zeppelin."--ClemSnide (talk) 05:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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