I checked around and didn't find anything about the last news about the RPG, and how to proceed. As you know, CDev questions 2 said the RPG was not canon. Before WP becomes a complete mess with people removing, people tagging or people making new sections, I think we need a policy.
This is my take on it:
- Small lines integrated into something bigger: references should be enough.
- Small lines not integrated into something bigger: moved to trivia: "In the RPG blablabla, although it may not be canon".
- Medium texts that can act as standalone: Moved to a "In the RPG" section with a RPG-section tag.
- Articles that are 90% RPG: bring back the RPG tag in the first line of the article, so people know it's from the RPG without needing to check sources one by one.
Well, that's my suggestion. Waiting for general consensus before everyone starts to do what they want. Would be nice if this was linked as a sitenotice, so everyone is aware.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- I already modified Template:RPG-section to clarify. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- I think we need a smaller icon for certain situations(example denizens of deepholm that are only on the RPG)something like the icons on expansions.--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- Well, most of those don't have icons anyway. I'd move them to trivia in list form, something like: "In the RPG, these creatures were denizens of this realm: a, b, c and d, but it's not canon".
- As for Appendix 3, I asked because I saw someone moving the information: Ettin.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- i don't know if you misunderstood me or not, but what i meant was adding a icon like the one in the Template:RPG-section but without the text to the list from those that were from the RPG--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- (inserted) Already is, {{RPG-inline}}. . (Sssss/Slithered) 03:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- I suggest creating a huge category of RPG, containing all things RPG and create RPG characters category inside to include RPG characters and move them over from the Lore Characters category. And also, sorry about the ettin article, didn't know the source was banished, I thought it's just another RPG book... Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 15:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'm going to try the separate the rpg information from he official information in the elemental hierarchy article.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- I think i've managed.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- Don't worry, Aesindor. We decided Appendix 3 was D&D long ago :P.
- As for doing changes, try not to do big ones until we decide a policy, or you may get removed (not talking about elemental hierarchy, Ashendant, I think that one looks right).--Lon-ami (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- It took a lot of interpretation but i think i got it right--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- What about all the pictures from the RPG? Like Elune or Queen Azshara? --LemonBaby (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think pictures are any problem... at least until we get better ones--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I find the Zandalari related pages(especially Rastakhan) and mainly minor races pages(ogre,ogre mage,sea giant and such) abit of trouble... overall I "de-RPed" 270 articles. Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 21:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, now there are just a bajillion to go :D --Ashbear160 (talk) 21:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that Warthok is purging "his" dragonflight pages of RPG info. Is this an issue? I respect him, but I feel that I should tell him not to. Would it would be biased to let him slide and others not? Are his actions fine in the first place?--SWM2448 02:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- Aye, just mention it to him that RPG shouldn't be removed... it's still part of the Warcraft after all. (Sssss/Slithered) 03:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Even though they said the books might as well be considered non-canon, they have stated in the same thing answer that things from the RPG do make its way into the game, and that they basically pick and choose what they what to be considered lore and not lore... (like they always have), so just plain removing all info, just because it comes from the books is not the right way to go about it. (Sssss/Slithered) 03:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- So let's take the Worgen page as an example (since it's what I referenced on SoL). The vast majority (actually all of it except maybe one line mentioning the skinning) references the RPG book. So what should be done is adding the RPG tag above those sections? Though there are things like the description of the way the creature looks (considering you can see that elsewhere such as in-game and other canon materials such as the comic) that don't really require a book to tell you such as the first line of that section. So what I am getting at is should there in some cases be multiple sections also? Leviathon (talk) 04:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
What should be done with articles almost completely RPG but still considered canon?(Examples: Sargeras, Worgen, Sea giant, Ogre, Zandalari-related) Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 09:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Categories
We should probably look at stripping some of the categories from articles that are 100% RPG material. It doesn't make sense, for instance, for a non-canon character to be in the Lore Characters category. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe a new cat... RPG characters. (Sssss/Slithered) 04:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'd support an RPG Characters category. Makes sense.--Drakolord7 (talk) 06:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- I support it, since I suggested it:P(see a few lines above this section and you will find it) Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 09:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- I'd support an RPG Characters category. Makes sense.--Drakolord7 (talk) 06:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Notices
Are we capable of putting up notices like we did prior to the move? Cause if we are capable, we should point to this topic on the notice and ask users to not simply remove all RPG info. (Sssss/Slithered) 03:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Quick takeaways
So, I propose a list of quick takeaways gets added to the top of this page (and perhaps somewhere in the Lore policy) just so everyone's on the same page with regard to removals and such:
- Do NOT simply remove all RPG information based on the Ask CDev response.
- Paragraphs of RPG content disconnected from the rest of the article should be moved to an "In the RPG" section near the end of the article.
- Pictures from the RPG are fine (especially for characters like Queen Azshara where we don't have anything better).
- Minor stuff from the RPG can be used as references, but not anything important. -- (this is subjective and probably not a good way of putting it)
- RPG-only articles get tagged {{RPG}} at the top and removed from any gameplay/non-RPG-specific categories (Lore characters/Major characters/etc...)
Feel free to add/edit bullet points as necessary. --k_d3 04:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- Speaking of pictures, Shadows & Light has File:Nozdormu.jpg as Nozdormu, but the magazine (in a preview) has it colored red and as Alexstrasza.--SWM2448 04:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't support removal of any RPG content. I think the set up we have now with the tag stating its non-canonicity is perfect, all that should be done is for the content to be reorganized.--Drakolord7 (talk) 06:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)