Hmmm... there seems to be an unsubtle link in the lore of the Black Citadel to Diablo. Where does this come from?
- --Fandyllic 5:24 PM PDT 17 October 2005
There's a bit of a contridiction on this page. At the top it says it was a structure that was built by the Draenei then further down the page it says it was by Nerh'zul. Not sure how to edit that. --Karye Jan 2,2007
- How the hell did that one slip through my net? Damn...
- The Temple of Karabour was the most sacred site on Draenor, built by the Draenei in the image of K'ure's dimensional ship. It was overrun by the Horde in an attempt to kill Velen, but he escaped. Gul'dan and the Shadow Council took up residence shortly thereafter.
- I was hoping to avoid spoilers for Rise of the Horde until next month, but I guess this cat's out of the bag. Remove the part about being built by Ner'zhul.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:17, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Maiden of Pain
Maiden of Pain --Xmuskrat 15:11, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
What are you trying to get at here?-Ragestorm
Image
I know that image is labelled "Black Citadel" in the game files, but I think it's far more likely to appear as Necropolis Naxxramas, from a distance (we'll see it floating above the Plaguelands).
Also, it doesn't make sense that there would be Scourge/Nerubian buildings in Outland.
Plus, there's concept art in the Art of World of Warcraft book of the Black Citadel, and it looks nothing like this. I'll try to post a scan eventually.
- --Bevans (FeldmanSkitzoid) 14:07, 23 March 2006 (EST)
Is this really in Shadowmoon Valley? In TFT this was in Hellfire Peninsula. -Burnstuff
- Yes it is in Shadowmoon Valley in WoW --Jaxdahl 18:18, 13 September 2006 (EDT)
Black Citadel is aka Hellfire Citadel , Black temple is another thing entirely. Hellfire (Black) Citadel on Hellfire Peninsula (see map) , Black Temple in Shadowmoon. --Sylvarios 22:22, 16 November 2006 (EST)
See: Citadel vs. Temple In Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, the building from which Magtheridon ruled was called the Black Citadel and was positioned where Hellfire Citadel would be on a map of Draenor or Outland. With the new map of Outland, it appears to be called the Black Temple and has been moved to Shadowmoon Valley.
It is most likely that the original map was retconned (much as maps of the Eastern Kingdoms were), and that the location on the TFT maps was Hellfire, not the Black Citadel, and that the Temple is the seat of power in Shadowmoon Valley. It is likely that "the Black Citadel" was what the people around Hellfire called it.
--Sylvarios 22:26, 16 November 2006 (EST)
- It's even more confusing about which one Magtheridon used to control. I'm starting to think that he was in Hellfire Citadel, but that Illidan was moved to the Black Temple, two unrelated structures. Rise of the Horde reveals the history of the Black Temple (prior to Magtheridon, wherever he was), which I'll post after the holidays. --Ragestorm 10:14, 21 December 2006 (EST)
Magtheridon dictated over Hellfire Citadel. In Warcraft Three it was called, 'The Black Citadel'. --Sylvarios 14:48, 27 December 2006 (EST)
- Note that almost all maps from W3 and TFT have been retconned (e.g. position of Moonglade to Mount Hyjal, Echo Isles to Durotar, most of Eastern Kingdoms, etc.), so we can consider map of Hellfire Peninsula as being retconned as well to suit new look of the Outland (normally the remains of Draenor would be just a landmass of red rocks with floating shards of stone). Magtheridon might have been (and probably was) moved from Black Citadel/Temple to Hellfire Citadel as it was there where Illidan's Fel Orcs are being "produced" with the use of Pit Lord's blood. --Sul'jin 11:52, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Illidan's Mental State
Doesn't seem like this belongs on this page.
Black Citadel and Heroes of previous wars
Rumors tell that beneath the citadel sprawls a great prison, trapped within are heroes from previous wars, languishing in unknown solitude.
Just speculation, but this may be where Turalyon, Alleria and maybe others are kept imprisoned? Gotta check if that RPG stuff was implemented into the game. User:Sul'jin/Sig 06:14, 16 January 2007 (EST)
Lore discrepancy
The page for the Throne of Kil'Jaeden asserts that Gul'dan called the orcs to drink the blood of Mannoroth there. The page for the Black Temple asserts that Mannoroth spilled his blood there, cursing Grom and the other chieftains. Does anyone have an official source where they can verify either of these two claims? --Maldian 06:23, 13 February 2007 (EST)
- Actually, it's not a discrepency. The Black Temple is were he first spilled the blood, but the Throne of Kil'jaeden is where it was consumed. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:32, 13 February 2007 (EST)
Black Citadel?
It's wrong to say that Black Citadel and Black Temple is the same structure. The building that Illidan and his allies conquered was actually what is today called Hellfire Citadel. Think about it: if you look at the WC3 - TFT maps, you see that everything takes place in Hellfire Peninsula, not Shadowmoon Valley. And the fact that Magtheridon is inprisoned in Hellfire Citadel proves it even more. Why would Illidan move him? I strongly suggest that the article is changed in order to make it correct. --Odolwa 09:13, 22 February 2007 (EST)
2.1 Patch
World of Raid's says this is the 2.1 patch. [1]
Posted by Blizzard, but removed:
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade: The Black Temple
Originally founded as a Draenei temple, this plot has been conquered and despoiled many times throughout the history of Outland, removing any spiritual grace it may have once held. The Black Temple has been the stage of the Orc Horde's blood curse, a fortress for the then-mortal Ner'zhul, and a prime staging ground for the Burning Legion's campaign of destruction. Most recently, it has been claimed as home by Illidan, where he and his minions make their bid for power over the remnants of the shattered planet. Now, it is up to you to face the malefic forces of Illidan and his minions in hopes of freeing Outland from chaos and tyranny.
Black Temple is a 25-person raid dungeon located in Shadowmoon Valley.
- Explore an ancient site steeped in Warcraft lore
- Gain access to more than a hundred new rare and epic items, including tier-6 armor sets
- Choose your path through a nonlinear level-70 raid dungeon, as you make your way to...
- Face Illidan himself
--Xmuskrat 10:13, 23 February 2007 (EST)