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Blood elf Shamans
The infobox mentions Shamans as a plausible blood elf class.
I did some research and think it's a bit implausible to say the Sunseeker Geomancer is a viable source, considering the NPC casts only Arcane Explosion and their respective WoWpedia page mentions they're a mage, too. The second cite is a blood elf called Elementalist Starion, but he's Twilight-aligned and thus it's more plausible to call him a Dark Shaman rather than a normal shaman. The Twilight Hammer have been shown to utilize Dark Shamanism before, and considering they're aligned to the Old Gods it makes logical sense for him to be one, too.
I'm not experienced enough with editing references and nor do I want to screw something up, so I made this talk page for actual discussion before anyone changes anything about the classes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Erkorr (talk · contr).
- While the Sunseeker Geomancer's attack set is very limited, geomancy is loosely defined as a crude form of shamanism in The Old Wizard's Almanac. One could argue that they aren't actually shaman. It seems similar to the relation between harvest-witches and druids. As for Starion, dark shaman are still shaman. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Break up the Alignment section
this section seems... bad. three and a half decent-sized paragraphs with only two references, almost entirely dedicated to an editor's opinions on how a fantasy race compares to real-world politics. it reads like someone just finished a political science degree and was itching to put it to use. like... of course politics influence fiction, but it feels extremely disrespectful to bring up nazi freaking germany (which this section did up until a few hours ago) in regards to a videogame. blood elves aren't real and their actions did not hurt real people.
plus this entire section is written as if the game never progressed past TBC (maybe it was written in TBC and no one has touched it since?), which makes it fairly useless in addition to, well, everything else.
my general view on the wiki is that we're here to show facts, not to tell readers what to think of them. so i think we should integrate the canon things (e.g. mind control, viewing other races of the horde as lesser, etc.) somewhere else in the article and leave political interpretation at the door. —Eithris (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I completely agree, though I wouldn't know how to properly take the canon parts out of all that mess and make them into more neutral sentences. Political opinions are usually never a good idea in wikis, but some people never learn :sighs: --Ryon21 (talk) 22:32, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- hmm. glancing over the section, my opinions are:
"the blood elves aren't evil" is keep-worthy. it actually has a citation!done.- the paragraph about how the alliance failed the high & blood elves in the second & third wars seems like it'd be usable with proper sources. i'm no Blood Elf Expert, but none of this part's statements seem too... (ahem) outlandish.
- "successfully drained the energy from a naaru" can stay. but, without in-universe examples of how blood elves are seen, everything else from the "jingoist" paragraph amounts to useless conjecture.
- "cultural identity revolves around magic" makes sense enough. Arcane Guardians' propaganda and the use of mind control are good in-game examples of things the blood elves did and definitely need to be kept. the rest of this paragraph is completely unusable.
- the "dark destiny" bit... it sounds like a nice historical note, but it's also sort of vague. i could go either way on this one.
- i'm not totally sure yet where this stuff would best belong tho. i guess mostly the TBC section. and then of course, some of this stuff may already be present elsewhere in the article... the whole thing could probs use some streamlining in general, but i think that's a much bigger project than i'm ready to take on, eheh. —Eithris (talk) 02:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- hmm. glancing over the section, my opinions are:
okay, i kept putting it off but i finally got around to removing the rest of that section just now, while moving some parts elsewhere. turns out many of the things i mentioned above were already mentioned elsewhere on the page, so i think i've managed not to take out anything important. Eithris (talk) 01:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
About "Arabic" Blood Elves
The "inspirations" section has to be reworked. Implicitly comparing Dath'Remar to Muhammad because he had a dream of a sword and comparing the pilgrimage to the sunwell to the haji is a bit too much. Dath'Remar is not a prophet or religious figure and the Sunwell is not a religious symbol, it is important because it quenches the Blood Elve's thirst for magic. With the same reasoning you could compare Kael'Thas to Louis XIV because he calls himself the "Sun King". Furthermore, there are various aspects of Blood Elf culture that just don't fit the Middle East:
- Blood Elves like to put sculptures of themselves everywhere, Muslim art is generally aniconic.
- Topiary, and spiral topiary in particular, isn't characteristic for Muslim garden architecture. If anything, it echoes 17th century Baroque gardening.
- The look of guards, Blood Knights and Far Striders in no way resembles motifs from Middle Eastern cultures.
- The Shape of Blood Elf towers might as well be Lord of the Rings-inspired. Look at the elven towers from the Tower Hills or the white tower of Ecthelion.
The most visually "Middle Eastern" aspect is the interior design you find in Silvermoon, e.G. the sleeping area in Silvermoon city inn. But then again, the cutlery, chairs and stair railings are more "Art Nouveau" than traditionally Middle Eastern.
EvilMorrigan (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)