Talk: Burning Blade clan

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Shouldn't this page be split between Burning Blade Clan and Burning Blade Cult? The Burning Blade Clan does not really exist any longer as a clan, but now as the Burning Blade Cult.  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 02:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Technically the Burning Blade was never really a "clan", or as it was describe its a "rather an elemental force of nature", with no leaders. It was less a clan and more of group that came together from other other orcs that had no banner, and created a banner of their own. It was really only a clan in name only. In horde player's guide its definitely still called a clan in "present" time though, infact its more organized than it used to be, and has leaders now.

The clan has a leader now; many whisper that he is none other than Neeru Fireblade, a warlock residing within the very halls of Orgrimmar.

Its now more of a clan than it previously was.Baggins (talk) 00:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I remember from somewhere it had a group of ogre enforcers to keep it from destroying itself, and one page said it was ruled by 'The Conclave', but that may have been fan fiction.--SWM2448 00:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I was just going by quotes from Warcraft II manual and Horde Player's Guide.Baggins (talk) 05:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Well it was confusing before because the page was split between old and modern times. Yes SWM, it is on the Burning Blade clan page. It says, "The other clans used the ogres to keep the Burning Blade in check, lest this clan turn on the rest of the Horde in their permanent state of aggression." You might have seen it there. The clan seemed to have been devastated after the wars, and with the Blademasters joining Thrall. It says now that the organization has satyrs, orcs, and demons. Its sister groups are Argus Wake and Searing Blade which are two cults. So I thought the Burning Blade would better fit under a cult then an orc clan as everything points to it being a cult and not an orc clan any longer.  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 06:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Orc clans is kinda of a misnomer for a few of the clans. Some of the clans were both ogre and orc. Some of the clans while maybe starting out as purely orc clans started letting in ogres, and oges even became leaders of a couple of clans. Also being a cult and a clan isn't necessasrily mutually exclusive from being a cult, if the clan allows for members of other races to join the clan. Speaking of other tribal/clan based cults, don't forget the Atal'ai, and the Hakkari.Baggins (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I know some clans had or have half-ogres and some clans had or have ogres as leaders. The clans that I am talking about are the ones that have demons, satyrs, centaurs, and even other races in them. All they do is try to summon evil creatures into the world. Some of them even are said to have chapters or branches to the organization. I just thought those type of clans, which I think seem to mostly be under the leadership of the Shadow Council, would lean more toward the definition of being cults and not orc clans. But I guess your saying that it is a clan and cult at the same time. The Death's Head clan I guess would be like that. I do see your Atal'ai and Hakkari points. It is easier though with them to call them clans because they are usually all trolls. I guess my idea is that if a group has too many races in it, wouldn't it stop being just an "orc clan" or just an "ogre clan". A lot of these clans are listed under the category of Orc Clans. I was just wondering how do we know when to call an organization a cult and not a clan any longer.  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 07:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

"most orcs prefer a life of blood and thunder."

Is there any concrete source for that? Oberscht (talk) 02:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know but it has to be noted in rpg-book. Anyway the RPG is not canon. (Dawn80818 (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC))

Split into clan and cult?

What say you?--Mordecay (talk) 17:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Besides the way that they are sometimes portrayed, there is not much division between the two.--SWM2448 22:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems much along the lines of the Twilight's Hammer, to me, where the orc clan evolved into the later organization after the destruction of Draenor. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Firecalling/Second War Destruction

The Burning Blade Clan seems to have a great affinity with fire, as shown through their numerous Flamebenders/Firecallers throughout the expansion.. Even having a summonable fire fury in the middle of their ancestral home. http://www.wowhead.com/npc=78161/hyperious

The Burning Blade seems to have good relations with the Warsong Clan. Whether it means they were also allies to some extent prior to the formation of the Horde/Iron Horde doesn't seem to be explained; Hallvalor is the ancestral home o' the Burning Blade clan. Since they be such fast friends, the Warsong allow the blademasters an' their shaman to remain in Nagrand when all o' the other clans are forced out. http://www.wowhead.com/quest=34952/the-friend-o-my-enemy

Thrall calls the Burning Blade an honourable Clan, in the WoD quest chain.

They were routed and destroyed during the final battle at the Dark Portal: The Burning Blade clan was routed and ultimately destroyed by troops under the command of Uther Lightbringer during the Final Battle at the Portal. ( Page 86, Warcraft 2 manual ).

Once he has passed his final tests in the Masters' Caverns, the blademaster is given the honor of wearing the Burning Blade's banner. ( http://www.wowhead.com/quest=34955/not-without-my-honor )

Bladeyblade (talk) 00:41, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

WoW Chronicles

I suck at editing this stuff, but there's a couple of interesting tidbits about the Burning Blade Clan in the new WoW Chronicles 2 book. So maybe someone else can neatly edit this in. Although already evident, the Burning Blade Clan settled in the mountains of Talador. ( The orcs who ventured south found the rich, fertile land of Talador. Three clans settled in the region’s mountains and plains: the Burning Blade, the Redwalkers, and the Bladewinds. Location 749 of 5465, no idea what the actual page number is, I have the kindle version ).

They also took part in an invasion force led by Kargath against the Arakkoa ( Warchief Blackhand called on Kargath Bladefist to deal with these arakkoa. The vicious chieftain formed an invasion force from the Shattered Hand, Burning Blade, and Dragonmaw clans. The lightly armored but highly mobile army stormed the forests surrounding Skyreach, location 2134 of 5465 in the kindle version ).

And they were among one of the first clans to enter through the Dark Portal along with the Blackrocks, the Black Tooth Grin, the Bleeding Hollow, the Dragonmaw and the Twilight's Hammer. This is rather curious, because Blackhand left the Warsong and Shattered Hand behind on Draenor because of their bloodthirst and their uncontrollable nature. However, the WC2 manual states that the Burning Blade were just as keen to attack their allies, instead managed and controlled by Ogres. Going off on a bit of speculation, they might've been brought along regardless of their blood lust, not necessarily invalidating the latter. This segment can be found in the "Banishment of the Frostwolves" chapter.

Finally, though not explicitly stated, they would've likely been utilized as scouts and raiders in the Horde's army structure. This is emphasized by the fact that they took part in Kargath's assault on the Arakkoa as well. ( The smallest and most mobile clans would act as scouts, raiders, and auxiliary forces that could quickly move from one region of the world to another. These clans included the Bleeding Hollow, the Dragonmaw, the Shattered Hand, the Thunderlords, the Shadowmoon, and the Bonechewers. )

Bladeyblade (talk)

Well the Warcraft 2 manual description applies to the Second War, not the First. So they probably went blood-crazy between the opening of the dark portal and the battle for Blackrock Spire. Xporc (talk) 13:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Makes sense. If we take Dharl's death from the RPG books as canon, that might've had something to do with it too. Just a bit of speculation though. Bladeyblade (talk)

Details about the pre-cult Burning Blade in Rise of the Horde/Cycle of Hatred

I'm currently working on rewriting this page like I've done with most other orc clan articles (should just be this one and Laughing Skull clan left, I believe), but in the sources I have available to me there's a pretty pitiful amount of information available about the Burning Blade clan in its original incarnation. The only time the clan is mentioned during the Rise of the Horde era in Chronicle Volume 2 is when they're mentioned in passing as part of Kargath's force that attacked Skyreach, for instance (the other two mentions is just of them settling in Talador and passing through the Dark Portal during the First War along with the other clans; nothing about their culture, leadership or really anything about what they were even like).

I've never read Rise of the Horde or Cycle of Hatred (should probably look into acquring those), but is the pre-cult Burning Blade ever mentioned in those? Anything to fill out a section about Rise of the Horde like "The Burning Blade were present when the orcs drank the Blood of Mannoroth" would at least be something, and I'm curious about how Cycle of Hatred describes Zmodlor's involvement in turning the clan into a cult. The Zmodlor page states that he "recruited both orcs and humans who were prejudiced against one another into a new incarnation of the Burning Blade cult". For anyone who has read the book, does that mean the Burning Blade was already synonymous with a demon-worshiping cult at that point, or was Zmodlor responsible for gathering the scattered clan members and creating the modern-day Burning Blade? (I kind of doubt that any attention is given to these matters, considering, for example, that there's about zero information on how the Shattered Hand rogue guild relates to the old Shattered Hand clan, but I might as well ask anyway.) -- DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 19:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

The Burning Blade are not even mentioned in RotH.

In Cycle of Hatred, when Byrok sees the human members of the Burning Blade, he remembers them: "The Burning Blade were among the fiercest devotees of the Shadow Council. They were later wiped out, and none of that demon-loving clan remained."

Also, there are pdf versions of the books if u would be interested in them just say it. --Mordecay (talk) 19:53, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Hm, alright. Bummer about RotH, and not sure if I want to dabble in those PDFs. Thanks, though. -- DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 20:20, 25 June 2017 (UTC)