This page is more of a summary of the War of the Shifting Sands than about Caelestrasz. Major overhaul incoming. BraveFoot 21:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


I thought he had a High Elven form, not a Night Elven one. Mr.X8 21:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Just checked my own ss of the events. definetly a NE.Warthok 08:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


The name 'Calen' seems too much alike to Caelestrasz to be any kind of coincidence. Now I might either be terribly mistaken, or Calen is the mortal name of Caelestrasz. Anybody with me? IconSmall Amberrock.pngAMBER(ЯΘ<K) 08:55, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Nice Theory,I'm with you! :P Sl2059 (talk) 08:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
Oh good i'm not actualy "officialy" in the Beta so i wasn't sure if i could bring this up on wowwiki. But yes i think it might be him. Theres also a Acridostrasz which has to be Acridistrasz.Warthok Talk Contribs 09:11, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
To my mind it is officially confirmed by the "Alexstrasza and Deathwing Fight Dialogue"
Alexstrasza_Event02.ogg "Your life isn't yours to throw away Calen, should I fail, the fate of this world may rest on your shoulders."
Calen_Event02.ogg "Yes mother." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Makcraft (talk · contr).
That confirms Calen is the Lifebinder's son; it doesn't confirm that Calen and Caelestrasz are one and the same lore figure. IconSmall Amberrock.pngAMBER(ЯΘ<K) 08:16, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that Calen could be the same person as Caelestrasz. Why? My argument is simple: I don't remember any time that a dragon, while talking to other dragon, use its 'human' name. For example I don't remember, when Korialstrasz was called by his name "Krasus" by a dragon. The other fact is that night elf form of Caelestrasz didn't have different name, if I remember well. Morpheius (talk) 08:59, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
At this point, I'd like to argue that it's very strange for a red dragon to have a 'dragon name' that's anything similar to 'Calen'. Taking a look at the following article - Red_dragonflight#Known_members - you'll notice that it's incredibly rare for a member of the Lifebinder's brood to not have a name that ends with the -strasz(a) suffix. Also, notice how both Deathwing and Alexstrasza refer to one another by their nicknames all the time (Earthwarder, Aspect of Death, Lifebinder, etc.), and during the lifetime of WotLK, Alexstrasza's name was used synonymously with the nickname 'the Dragon Queen'.IconSmall Amberrock.pngAMBER(ЯΘ<K) 09:41, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
It may be possible that they are one person but we must wait until the zone is officially open to public, as it's still DNP for that matter. Matix22 (talk) 09:42, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

He shares the same humanoid model with Caelestrasz [1] --N'Nanz (talk) 09:04, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


Should Calen redirected to Caelestrasz?--Knighthonor (talk) 16:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

The real question is, can we know they're one and the same without citing datamined information? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:40, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
"No you can't!"
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 17:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since Twilight Highlands is open now, I've added the redirect. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:03, August 28, 2010 (UTC)