Talk:Genn Greymane

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Greymane v. Graymane

Hello, I edited "Greymane" to "Graymane" becoese of this:

Tides Of Darkness: Chapter Three:

"He recognized many of the men present, atleast by description. The large, brearish man with the thick features was Genn Graymane." It says "GrAymane" please, edited the "E" and replace with "A" thank you. In the name of Cenarius! It shall be done!

I've put "graymane" as an alternate spelling. According to Google Greymane gets slightly more results than Graymane, and has been cited from other sources in the text. Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

It does matter, then we'll add something in the page of Genn Graymane, we are talking about exact things, and his name is "Genn Graymane" added there a Information picture, and add there that most people think its Graymane, and you will get more searches with Graymane.

this is World of Warcraft's Wiki, so I suggest we put the true things inside, not 'about' they need to know what his name Truly means. So please ,edit the genn Greymane's main page to Genn Graymane, along with the other 'greymane' in the Text, thank you In the name of Cenarius! It shall be done! 06:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Alive? Dead?

Is there any proof that he's really alive or dead? Perhapes he's been turned into a really evil Worgen and will be featured as a Raid boss in a future expansion. --"The Scourge shall prevail!" - Scourge-Lord Morec (talk) 22:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Very few people have been in or out of Gilneas at all for the last twenty years. What's going on inside is anyone's guess, and it could pretty much be anything. Except the worgen thing. That's just silly and you've been paying too much heed to urban legends and fanfic. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
With the revelation of Worgen being the new Alliance race in Cataclysm, he could be not only alive, but also the racial leader of the Worgen faction.Orisai (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Genn Greymane is alive and well. During the Worgen quest he is the first person you meet and saves you from being executed by injecting you with a serum that gives you control of your Worgen form. Leviathon (talk) 03:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Gilneas Brigade

Why should this even be mentioned in the article of Genn Greymane? The Brigade were a very small group of soldiers, without any notable feats attributed. They are simply not so notable, especially not because they have nothing to do with King Greymane. Greymane never mentioned them, talked about them or whatever. Until someone can establish a direct link that ties the Brigade and Greymane together, they should not be mentioned in the article.IconSmall BloodElf Male.pngAMBER(RΘCK) 12:31, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Worgen Cutscene

It is posted on his page that it is he who is the guy that talks the monolouge during the worgen cutscene, but isn't it Lord Godfrey who is talking. Just wondering. Overlord Divine (talk) 15:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

NPC Box Image

What is the point of having the exact image of Genn Greymane twice in the article? Personally, I think the original version where you can see the worgen he's fighting is much better than the zoomed in version. IconSmall Draenei Male.gifFor the Alliance!IconSmall NightElf Male.gifFor the Alliance!IconSmall Worgen2 Male.gifFor the Alliance!IconSmall Gnome Male.gifFor the Alliance!IconSmall Dwarf Male.gifFor the Alliance!IconSmall HighElf Male.gifFor the Alliance!IconSmall Human Male.gifFor the Alliance!TheFairfieldRuler of All Awesomeness!IconSmall Orc Male.gifFor the Horde!IconSmall Troll Male.gifFor the Horde!IconSmall Tauren Male.gifFor the Horde!IconSmall Goblin2 Male.gifFor the Horde!IconSmall Undead Male.gifFor the Horde!IconSmall Ogre Male.gifFor the Horde!IconSmall BloodElf2 Male.gifFor the Horde! 11:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


Just a smaller note, but is Aggra considered Thrall's spouse at this point? If so, then Genn would be one of three racial leaders with a spouse still alive in the game. Or is it because Aggra is a newer addition to the lore? It says at the end of the "In World of WarCraft" section that he is one of two, that's why I ask.

I think that Aggra could count as a living spouse (or mate) of a racial leader. But Thrall is no more a racial leader, since his replacement with Garrosh, so this leaves only Tyrande and Genn. --Forco (talk) 22:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Greymane's HP and Mana

I discovered that he had 26120 HP and 326 Mana during the Worgen starting experience. Should I write it like this:

| health = 26120 (Gilneas)
51,535,000 (Stormwind)
| mana = 326 (Gilneas)
473,000 (Stormwind)

Or is it pointless? G.L.F. High Commander (talk) 21:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I would say gilneas is worgen zone only, so leave only SW's HP.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 21:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


Can someone rewrite the introducing to this article? It is badly spelled and seems weird. Thank you.Alkhamor (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Alkhamor

Genn's involvement in the Attack on Theramore

In Tides of War, page 129, Jaina takes a moment to be grateful to the Light and all the leaders that sent their help. Those leaders are Varian Wrynn, A'dal, High Priestess Tyrande, Archdruid Malfurion, Rhonin and the Council of the Three Hammers.

There's no mention of Genn or Velen, who were asked to send help. I ask to undo the present revision in order to acknowledge this. --Cemotucu (talk) 17:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Neither did she thank Vereesa Windrunner and the Silver Covenant and we know for a fact she was involved in the defense of Theramore. It's asinine to think that she would state every single individual that sent help. That line just stated that these were just the major leaders that warranted noting because most likely they are the major catalyst of bringing such important defenses together but that is not to say that the other leaders who were asked to help did not contribute at all. That is interpretation, and not objective. For all we know, Velen did send help by getting Ad'al involved and Genn's few elite worgen were minor supplements that did not warrant a special thank you. Furthermore, it's out of character that Genn would not relinquish a "few" elite worgen at Varian's request to aid in the defense of Theramore as Wolfheart and future characterization states he is a staunch supporter of joint Alliance military efforts.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 17:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC))
She acknowledged the leaders of the factions involved because of their help. She didn't acknowledged individual involvement. Rhonin was the leader of the Kirin Tor and ruler of Dalaran, so if the Silver Covenant participated (which I doubt since the book only describes mages being teleported with Vereesa and Rhonin), they would have been included in Rhonin's mention. And Vereesa went to Theramore in order to protect her husband. She was alone.
And where did you get that thing about Velen ordering A'dal? There's no single evidence of that. A'dal sent Tiras'alan to protect and defend the city (much like the Kirin Tor forces).
And again, I'm not saying that there weren't worgen there. I'm saying that, if they were, there's nothing saying that Genn sent them. They could have been independent individuals. --Cemotucu (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
That line that you cited where Varian requested help from Genn implicates that any worgen he wanted most likely came from him otherwise Varian wouldn't have needed to mention him. Why would any independent worgen want to help defend Theramore when Varian has an ally that has dozens of them under his command which Genn could just lend him some? As I said, For all we know, Genn's few elite worgen were minor supplements that did not warrant a special thank you or need be stated. (Sports72Xtrm (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC))
Okey. Maybe there weren't worgen at all. All I know is that there's nothing indicating that Genn sent help. Golden took the job to mention every single faction leader that sent Jaina troops. There's no mention of gnomes being sent, nor worgen. --Cemotucu (talk) 17:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Maybe they were all assigned under the 7th Legion fleet which would have been attributed Varian as he assembled it and takes credit due to his position as high king. Who knows. Anyways, it's impossible to determine the racial composition of the forces sent to fight for Theramore or their backgrounds or state every individual's political affiliations because it's a minor trivial detail to her writing. Let it be Schrödinger's Cat then and need not mention no more than what was explicitly stated then. Let's not make absolute statements that makes assumptions of whether these leaders contributed or not. Though I maintain my defense that Genn's contributing to it's defense is not baseless. Varian did state that conflicts were cooled at the time and Theramore's defense was a high priority. If anyone half-assed in contributing to it's defense, Varian would be furious and would call them out on it. He wouldn't be praising Genn and the Worgen in his speech at Stormwind Harbor.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 18:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC))
The book doesn't exclude the possibility that there were worgen involved. But if there were worgen under the 7th Legion, as you said, they would be under the order of Varian, not Genn, wouldn't they? If there were worgen involved in Theramore, they weren't sent by Genn. And I think it's because the worgen sent by Genn were the ones that comprised the spy-network informing the leaders of the Alliance of the situation in kalimdor after the blockade.
And also, Rhonin helped Jaina with twelve mages, a ranger and himself. And he was mentioned. --Cemotucu (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
If the book doesn't state clearly that Greymane, Velen and Mekkatorque dind't send anyone (a grave lack of help, in my opinion, that would have been surely noted), then we cannot assume this thing as true. It is speculation. Therefore, the last edist by Sports are correct. -- Forco sussura agli abissi 22:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
But Jaina clearly thank the leaders that helped her... And Genn, Velen and Mekkatoruqe (the latter wasn't even asked) weren't among them.--Cemotucu (talk) 22:57, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
There are thousands of reasons that could explain this (she forgot to list them, or maybe simply Golden didn't want to write down all the long list of names; by the way, it isn't strange that Mekkatorque wasn't asked, being an Alliance leader at the same level of the others?). For what you say, we could write that we don't know if they did send anyone, but not that they surely didn't. -- Forco sussura agli abissi 23:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Golden wrote down six leaders names when she didn't need to. There was no need to list the leaders at all, because it was Jaina's thought. She could have just said "the Light -and all the wise and helpful leaders-".
And yes. Mekkatorque wasn't asked. Jaina and Varian talk about asking the dwarves, elves, draenei and worgen. No gnomes. --Cemotucu (talk) 23:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Well Jaina stated that she would request from aid from "other Alliance leaders" and did not specify which ones. Varian and Jaina just noted which ones would likely be able to send something i.e. Genn and the "draenei".(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 23:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC))
I agree with Forco. The only thing that is known is that Genn was asked to send some worgen. The rest - if he really sent, because of lack of writing or whatever - are just speculations. --Mordecay (talk) 13:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Year of seceding

Is there a year when he left the Alliance? Because if we stick with the timeline of the History of Warcraft, it would be shortly before the Third War and his appearance in Arthas's ceremony (year 15, if I remember correctly) would be ok then. After re-reading Lord of His Pack, it makes no sense whatsoever because the lords are bickering about the gold for Nethergarde... which I imagine would be around the events of Beyond the Dark Portal (Year8)... unless he was considering to remove himself from the Alliance for 10 years... and would do that in year 18/19. --Mordecay (talk) 22:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Advisor to Anduin

This goes for Velen, too. Are we sure about that? What Anduin says in the quest is they were his father's advisors, but he doesn't say their relationship to him. ReignTG (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

The objective is: Anduin's advisors heard. --Mordecay (talk) 15:48, 21 April 2017 (UTC)