Talk: Quel'Thalas

Concerning Quel'Thalas in World of Warcraft

Can you not get to the blank Quel'Thalas zone by climbing over the Scarlet Monastery? --CentipedesInMyWoW? 18:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

What would that do? SM is nowhere near Quel'thalas. Pzychotix 20:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Tested it and you can (he means the quel'thalas in eastern kingdom)--Gurluas 16:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Sunstrider

Is it really necessary to specify that Sunstrider's name means "he who walks the day"? It seems incredibly self-explanatory from the name. --Kongurous 05:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Lawl :D --Raze 12:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Not our problem, Blizzard is the one that defines it that way.Baggins 07:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Speculation

It isn't speculation. During the Second War, the maps show Quel'Thalas as equal terms with Lordaeron and Khaz Modan, since I am guessing it is because they were all equal in importance, since they were in alliance.  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 04:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have to "guess a reason" its speculation. Speculation is not allowed. Blizzard has never given a reason why its maps differ from one map to another. Trying to explain it from in-universe perspective is purely a no no. HOwever, if you have exact citations explaining the differences in the maps, that would be allowed as evidence.Baggins (talk) 04:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you even know what your talking about? I am guessing why they did it not why I did it. Just look at the the size of the lettering on the Second War map. Meanwhile, you did the opposite of what you just told me on the Kalimdor page by saying that the Barrens, Mulgore, etc are continents when the map doesn't say that, it just shows like half a dozen regions. So with your logic there are half a dozen continents on Kalimdor?  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 04:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Look we can describe the appearance of the map, as the map is visually there. There are a total of 8 regions that share the same font size, the largest font size, and all 8 of those regions are written in caps. All other things listed on the map are either not written in caps, or have progressively smaller font sizes, showing them to be lesser than the regions with the large capitalized font sizes. Anyone with any small degree of how maps work would understand the importance behind these distinctions as it usual standard practice in map design.

However, "guessing why they did it" from an inlore perspective is not allowed. You seem to be confused...and judging from past arguements with you I doubt I can explain our reasons to you. Our explanations go right past you, and you tend to twist them overlooking our points... As it is since we can't explain our reasons to you, we'll just have to admin as we understand it, and you'll just have to live with what ever is decided. We don't have to make you understand our reasons, if you can't understand them in the first place.Baggins (talk) 04:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay look. I am using logic. Some maps showed Azeroth and Lordaeron in big lettering and Khaz Modan and Quel'Thalas in small lettering. Guess what? Later maps, as alliances began, started showing Khaz Modan and Quel'Thalas in equal lettering. See where I am getting my crazy speculation from?  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 04:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

YOu think you are using your own logic, but the fact remains you always seem to ignore, or become confused by our logic, and decisions. The truth is we don't ahve to explain our decisions to you, if you fail to understand our logic.

I'm not going to tell you this again listen now, if you are confused still, then just sit back and live with our decision. I don't want to see anymore argeuing going on.

What I've been telling you we can't speculate on why there are differenes between two different maps, different artists may have different reasons. While we can describe individual maps, and that's ok. They shold not be compared to other maps to the point that a reason of some sort is made up as to why they might be different. We simply don't know.... Unless of course you have some map book by the artists that gives reasons for why they changed certain details.

As I said before this is the last time I attempt to explain this to you... I have made my decision, you can choose to abide by it, or stop editing wowwiki. It is your decision. However, if if you choose to argue about it further... You will be ignored. If you choose to ignore the decision and add it back into the article there will be consequences.Baggins (talk) 05:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I am listening. In fact, I am citing everything I am doing and also following your rules right now.  Rolandius  (talk - contr) 05:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Narrator

Awhile back a page somewhere said something about this wasn't the original name. One of the narrators mispronounced it and they kept it after at. Does anyone else remember that?   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 19:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it was supposed to have been pronounced "kel-thalas", and not "kwel-thalas". I pronounced it the first way before I heard its name spoken. --Super Bhaal (talk) 19:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

History of Alliance Involvement

This page is very vague about when the blood elves left the Alliance, although it's specific enough about when the high elves in Silvermoon became blood elves. Does anyone have any information as to when that happened, and if so, can it be made more specific in the post? Similarly, shouldn't we include on this page information about the high elves who did not join the blood elves and remained with the Alliance, and are now mostly in Dalaran and scattered throughout Outlands and Northrend? After all, they're from Quel'thalas, too. Any information that might be on this page about them is unclear. -- MirriNight (talk) 20:06, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

It's already in the article, Garithos betrayed the blood elves because they were aided by Lady Vashj and her naga. And about the high elves, that shouldn't be included as this articles is about the place, it isn't relevant after they left, but if you want to expand the high elves history I recommend you to go to the high elf article ;) . Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:17, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the elves had left the Alliance well before that point. They left shortly after the Second War because the blamed the Alliance for not protecting their forests well enough. This despite not joining the Alliance at all until the Horde started burning them in the first place. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:31, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and they just rejoined in The Frozen Throne because they wanted vengance for the Sunwell and their homeland destructions according to the Warcraft Encyclopedia. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 02:50, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't the alliance fall apart between warcraft II and III, and only got reformed between warcraft III and WoW? Warcraft III is kind of vague on the exact status of the alliance. Sure, arthas has dwarves and dalaranian mages, but he only gets those after teaming up with small groups in-game. Garithos calling himself the new alliance suggests that the old one is gone, and he never got anyone other than the survivors of lordaeron and Dalaran to join him. I'm not sure whether or not that really qualifies as "the alliance" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ijffdrie (talk · contr).

Post-Second War Alliance included The human kingdoms of Lordaeron, Stormwind, Kul Tiras, and Dalaran as well as the Dwarven kingdom of Ironforge under the Bronzebeards (Alterac had been disolved, Stromgarde and Gilneas had seceded, as did Quel'thalas, and the Wildhammer Dwarves were alliance-alligned but not formal members). The Third war took out Lordaeron, undoubtably the most influential and central guiding force of the Alliance but no known sources have ever hinted the rest of the members ceased being 'The Alliance' for even a brief period.

But I'm not making any statements on how that pertains to Garithos and Kale'thas. Im not getting into that web of controversy, I just wanted to point out the Alliance never stoped existing.Warthok (talk) 23:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Forest trolls

Is this article about Quel'thalas the kingdom or the land? If it is about the kingdom i think we should remove the Forest Trolls from it. I'm asking because the article starts with "Quel'Thalas is a lush forest region north of the Kingdom of Lordaeron (in some cases it is implied to be a seperate continent)." but the History section seems to be from the perspective of the elves and depicting their kingdom. Andreioplst (talk) 19:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom and subcontinent

Wouldn't be better to create separate pages for the kingdom and the subcontinent? If yes could someone make it? Still finding out how everything works here :/ Ryon21 (talk) 19:17, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

It would be nice to do it, but since a few weeks the website has a lot of caching problems. The Kul Tiras/Gilneas split are still unachieved as a result, and many pages talking about the kingdoms are still linking to their respective lands instead. Same problem for the split between Gnomeregan and its instance. Maybe we should focus on those first? Xporc (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Yep then we'll do that and in the future we'll change this and other things then. Ryon21 (talk) 20:00, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

I can confirm that the site still has a lot of caching problems. I'm completely unable to see how many Kul Tiras, Gilneas and Gilneas (faction) links need to be updated to Kul Tiras and Gilneas because the site won't update itself and tell me which pages link to there: / Xporc (talk) 20:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

There is anyway to fix that from happening? Ryon21 (talk) 00:20, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Not until the gamepedia team does some security fixes first Xporc (talk) 23:52, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I've changed from the last link up to Violet Hold in Special:WhatLinksHere/Quel'Thalas. Only the majority of the first page is left. For today I'm done it's really exhausting. At first I wanted to do it all but I've decided to bypass the User pages, also I don't think I should touch that. Another thing I didn't touch I think were the pages that warned to not edit them. Maybe I'll continue tomorrow. If you want to check if I've made any mistakes would be good. Also, Quel'Thalas is one of the ones that have more links no? So Gilneas and some others will be easier to change I hope. --Ryon21 (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Real impressive work! I know that kind of job is exhausting, hope you're feeling all right. Don't you worry about checking for mistakes, I just got done validating all your recent edits :D My own advice: don't bother about Talk, User, and Server pages, it'll make the processing faster. Also, uh ... I think Gilneas and Kul Tiras have many links as well... The good thing is that Kul Tiras was relatively absent from World of Warcraft, and Gilneas should already have a good chunk of its conversion done by myself. Now, go rest! Xporc (talk) 23:09, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, well done! :) PeterWind (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks really! I'll take the advice for grated as it means less job :) And I'll try to finish changing the links asap but for now, time for more easier things. --Ryon21 (talk) 00:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

That's it. Over. I think I've changed all the links. Finally! Well, now to rest :) --Ryon21 (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Tremendous work! Xporc (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Citation needed - Helves

Would the visitors to the Sunwell (Quel'Delar restoration), the Silver Covenant assisting in Zul'Aman or the high elven ghosts in Goldenmist Village support it? --Mordecay (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Mmm maybe put Ghost Helves. But we should count only the ones living in the region no? And Zul'Aman, even though its entrance is in Quel'Thalas, it is part of the region? Or it is its own separate region? Lorewise it has to be. We have only visited the city no? :/ Oh, pls tell me those ghosts models have been updated. --Ryon21 (talk) 20:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Not sure about the ghost helves. There's a whole section dedicated to the Zul'Aman region so hopefully it still exists in lore. And those ancient models haven't been updated. --Mordecay (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Since the only high elves in the region are visitors, dead or undead I don't think we should add them but let's see what other people have to say. --Ryon21 (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind keep it, but if that launches debates maybe it's not worth keeping it :D Xporc (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Well maybe lorewise there are still some in there. Quel'Thalas must be very large outside the in-game. And if we count the ghosts. Until we have official confirmation then maybe there are High elves at least living in Quel'Danas since they need the fountain. --Ryon21 (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2017 (UTC)