Maybe we can add the story of Atiesh in this page since in Warcraft 3 it was held by Medivh in every cinematic he appeared but the current lore assumes it as being in possession of the Kirin Tor in Dalaran soon after Medivh was Killed by Lothar, Khadgar and Garona. N'Nanz 10:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the staff he used in warcraft III was the same staff despite looking quite similar.Baggins 10:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


Notably most of the iterations of 'Hell' used in the more recent works of lore do not include the capitalisation. Thus, it leads me to suspect any use of it is merely referring to a proverbial place (like, say 'banish you from the [darkness] you came. 'Hell' is just another word for it) rather than an actual religious location in lore. I may be wrong of course in this, because how would these people -know- to use the word 'Hell' if there is no catalyst to coin the phrase, especially if a Bible does not exist? Still, I believe it is a simple cock-up of the quest writers. Melaisis 20:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

It has phased out, but some NPCs still seem to talk as if a belief of 'hell' was somthing that was common knowlage.--SWM2448 23:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Generally speaking though hell is not of biblical origin as far as I know. It was a term that predates the english bible translations (original language versions would likely not have the english word hell). The concept of hell itself actually goes back to various cultures views of an "underworld". In greek alternatively referred to as "hades".Baggins (talk) 02:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly, in the book Lord of the Clans the character of Blackmoore is always mentioning "hells" and not "hell". Rolandius (talk) 03:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Some myths do have more than one hell, or in some cases seperate hell by "rings" representing kinds of hell.Baggins (talk) 03:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I know but isn't Blackmoore part of the culture that believes in The Church of Light and one hell? Although he is a pretty bad guy so maybe he studied some crazy belief. Rolandius (talk) 04:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible Explanation of Belief Retcon?

I was reading the "Church of the Holy Light" article and noticed the following: "Some claim that the Third War was the best thing that could have happened to the Church. The Church finally gave up its old habits and started to change. Some of the younger priests suggested that the Church take this opportunity to rebuild itself, setting aside many of its older traditions and starting new ones. They claimed that the Church had strayed from the path of the Three Virtues and needed to pare back down to essentials. According to these younger priests, their elders had lost touch with the Light and it was time to reclaim that holy communion.

There are rumors of a break within the Church itself, dating to about that time. It is said that the members are fighting amongst themselves about whether to cling to the old traditions or forge new ones. It didn't help that most of the Church's texts were lost and so people have been writing new ones — some of them writing about the same things but without comparing notes or checking sources. "

Could this be alluding to the shift from believing in God to becoming a non-theistic religion? I've been looking over the information for the Warcraft III retcon that the Church of the Holy Light is non-theistical despite the first two games clearly describing the Northshire clerics and others as being "in God's service." It doesn't seem to make any sense at all, outstide of Blizzard attempting to change the series' religious beliefs to something more alien and less likely to offend real people's beliefs. This info is the only thing I've seen that might address it in-universe.

Could the "break" have been the split between Holy Light followers that believed in God and ones that were non-theistical? Maybe the younger, more liberal priests cut out all of the belief in God and just kept the values and trappings of the old church. Does anyone else have any further information? Martin 05:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)mdwall