Talk: Ulduar (instance)

Adding Information

Before editing this article, please read the Do Not Post Policy and Wowpedia talk:DNP policy#Change_to_the_image_DNP_policy, pertaining to discussion regarding changes that will be made to the policy. The proposed change allows content to be added under three cirumstances:

• It has been seen on an official realm or PTR.
• Has been announced by a Blizzard employee.
• A Wowwiki admin gave explicit permission to post the content.

Datamined images and information from game files does not fall under any category. Bosses must be seen in-game, or a Blizzard employee must specifically state "Mob X is a boss." As for the icons, the achievements they correspond to are not currently on the PTR, and haven't been announced. Therefore, they and any information deduced from them cannot be posted. --Tyrsenus t c 02:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Instance Name

It seems the name for the instance is just Ulduar judging by whats in the Looking for Group interface in the beta. Leviathon (talk) 01:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The Northrend map on the official site says it does not exist.--SWM2448 01:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Since the raid won't be in at release that is likely why it isn't there (just like how Icecrown Citadel isn't on Icecrowns map as a raid). Here is the image of the interface: [1]

The instance indeed is just named Ulduar. Leviathon (talk) 01:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Wired Interview at Blizzcon

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/10/qa-world-of-war.html

According to this interview, the raid's name will be Uldar. WookMuff on Khaz (talk) 23:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

While it may be a correct source, I'd wait for more sources before moving this article anywhere. g0urra[T҂C] 23:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Video

Can we put this video in the Ulduar Raid page ? Loremaster A'noob, Godfather of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC) [video removed]

No. See WP:DNP. -- Tuhljin (talk) 22:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

As I thought :) Thanks. Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 23:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Who's that dude that appears at 1:12 in the video? he looks like a dragonkin kind of. ArchLordArbitor (talk) 00:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

End Boss

According to the WoW Europe under development description of Ulduar, the final boss of the last tier in the instance will be an Old God, most likely Yogg-Saron, the one who corrupted the titan guardian Loken.

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/3p1/ulduar.xml

Orisai (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well it was kinda a given that Yogg-Saron would be the final boss in Ulduar. Except to those that were crossing their fingers for a Azjol-Nerub raid. :p Leviathon (talk) 21:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It's actually possible that Algalon will be the final boss. I learned that reading a recent wowinsider article, it's pretty interesting Seacow42 (talk) 20:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Algalon is a optional boss though that you can only get to via the hard modes. Although that storyline so far is pretty neat. Leviathon (talk) 20:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

New information released

If anyone wants to help incorporate this info, here's the link from WoW-Euro, Under Development. -Howbizr (talk) 18:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Boss names

I ask an admin to stop ShandrisForever making such edits about who can be the mobs on the screens. Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 12:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Then don't put anyhting there instead until you're certain who these mobs really are. -- 13:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure where the Iron Colossus name is coming from. Please leave it off the known encounters list unless you provide a citation. On a similar note, thank you for your effort in creating the banner, but I'm not sure it belongs here. One problem it creates is that it can exceed the width of the article depending on your browser/resolution settings.--Tyrsenus t c 13:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The Iron Colossus is a giant iron dwarf that you destroy in the quest The Iron Colossus. Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 13:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

An overview of Narvir's Cradle showing the Iron Colossus under construction.

Technically, the Iron Colossus is a iron giant not a giant iron dwarf. Rolandius (talk - contr) 13:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You understand what I mean xD Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 13:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it sorta looks like an Iron dwarf times 20. LOL Rolandius (talk - contr) 13:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Speculated Bosses

Are Veranus and Yogg-Saron not considered possible bosses for this raid? Or is the page still being updated? NYET! (talk) 06:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

They're possible bosses, but not confirmed. The others have been in Blizzard's preview and PTR statements. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Since Veranus has been captured along with its master Thorim, yes it's possible to have both of them in one encounter. Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 13:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

niet niet, they are possible bosses but i really doubt yogg-saron will be a raid boss, we will most likely prevent him from being released. did somebody read the sundering? i think it will be something like that Azahel (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

So the PTR Forum users have said that there's a boss named Algadon or something like that, confirmed by a statement made by a dev on the 17th. I'm trying to find a link to the thread, but I'm not sure if I can get a primary source for it. NYET! (talk) 05:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Daelo's post can be found here.[2], but there's no mention of Algadon.--Tyrsenus t c 15:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Algadon will be in the instance though since he is in the MPQ. He is a living constellation of a Vrykul. Leviathon (talk) 21:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

His name is Algalon the Observer, not Algadon. He was in the beta client in Ulduar during one of the patches AND his presence was confirmed by a CM - here is the quote and link. (link = http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15198911277&sid=1&pageNo=3#51)

" Q u o t e:

Can we have hard mode loot then?" - player

"Hard mode rewards will be the best in the game.

With that said, I want to be sure that everyone understands: Hard mode is hard. Some hard modes are harder than others. Then there's Algalon the Raid Destroyer. He feeds off of your tears." - Valinoth, Lead World Designer for World of Warcraft

I am updating the article with this citation and correcting the spelling error of his name since it really can't get any more official than that quote. The raid destroyer part is obviously a joke, for now, I'm adding the suffix he had in beta (the Observer). While the suffix part hasn't been confirmed by CMs, the rest has... so Algalon is official. Dcemuser (talk) 22:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

In the MPQ there are icons for all (except Thorim) the bosses in the instance. The bosses are: Yogg-Saron, Razorscale (Proto Drake - Likely Veranus), Watcher Freya, Watcher Hodir, Watcher Mimiron, General Vezax (Faceless One), The Iron Council (seems to be 3 dwarfs judging by the icon), Algalon (a living constellation), Auriya (female Titan), Kologarn (male Titan), Ignis (Flame giant seen in the preview probably), The Flame Leviathan, XT002 Deconstructor (the giant robot in the preview). The only icon missing is Thorim which could mean he is the only Watcher we save from corruption and we receive his help. This also raises the question of what happened to Wacther Tyr. I guess it is possible we meet him uncorrupted inside. It could also be that Veranus/Razorscale is part of the Thorim fight and she just counts as the credit for the boss which still leaves room for 1 more. Leviathon (talk) 05:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Is it possible that the Fire one is the flame leviathan and the metallic looking one is Mimir? ZueluHaomarush

Maybe. We don't know. It's pointless to speculate about it at this point. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Many pictures comming from MMO-Champion :

• Flame leviathan : Body ([3]) and Canon ([4])
• Mimirion : Head ([5]), Torso ([6]) and Legs ([7]).
• Hodir : [8]
• Freya : [9]
• Yogg-saron : Body/Head ([10]), Brain ([11]), Tentacle ([12] - [13] - [14])

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

So the fire giant picture isn't about the Flame Leviathan, but it's rather some kind of tank-like boss. Likely in the same "wing" as Mimiron.

The speculated image of Hodir was right - he's the icy giant seen from the preview. Same about Freya, but that was more obvious.

As for Yogg-saron... sheesh, that's a real ugly one. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought C'thun would always be the ugly one, but it's no match to Yogg-saron ! Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Do not upload those images here, they are datamined from the game files... its what mmo-champion does, please read DNP for more info. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 21:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Loot

It's confirmed that a new legendary healing mace drops here (well, in shards to be collected, like Atiesh), and also an epic flying mount (a mechagnome's head). Should that be added to the page? --Morgaur (talk) 16:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Technically, it doesn't have to be a healing mace, but the fact that it is called a "Gavel" (http://www.wowhead.com/?search=gavel aka 90% healing maces) and the fact that it is class restricted to Paladins/Druids/Shaman/Priests (the four healing classes) means it is at the very least a spellpower (caster) 1 handed mace (deductions: if it was 2 handed, priests couldn't use it and if it was for melee stats, hunters could use it). So it is either a 1 handed healing mace or a 1 handed caster mace (healers + dps), and frankly even if they give it boatloads of spirit and mp5, DPS will still use it due to its likely superior spell power (or just looks or status). Dcemuser (talk) 22:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

It should not be added at this time. Please refer to WP:DNP.--Tyrsenus t c 03:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Naga

Do the pictures at the end of the preview depict naga? The female obviously is, and the male with the trident seems to have a tail reaching up behind him, he looks like a hairry male naga. What could these pictures be doing here? There were no naga on Azeroth when the titans left, they couldn't have known about them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkling235 (talk · contr).

They look like a mermaid and merman to me. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Where? I don't see any mermaids? What pictures? -- 13:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Look at the video... --g0urra[T҂C] 13:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

We can look too into it and say it is Neptulon! Leviathon (talk) 18:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ulduar do not represent what the Titan left but how Azeroth evolves. In fact when the Tital left:

• Azeroth had a continent only, Kalimdor
• The Well of Eternity was at its center
• There were only races directly created by the titans or touched by

In Ulduar we see instead:

• Azeroth as we know it today
• The Maelstrom is at its center
• Many constellation-like construct representing races of nowaday (recognizable is a dwarf and a human)

Thus that pictures should represent Nagas. Besides that Titans never left Azeroth in fact many bosses in Ulduar are corrupted ones. --N'Nanz (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Is this a hint that the next expansion truly is the Great Sea, with Nazjatar as its Dalaran/Shattrath undersea capital?? I do hope that! -- 19:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Could also look too into the new aquatic mount in the files Leviathon (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

and maybe the Pandarens and Goblins will become playable. I hope Emerald Dream and the Runemaster will be on 3.2. but won't change the subject of the article xP Pudim17 (talk - contr) 20:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

N'Nanz, I'd happen to beckon your pardon on your claim of there only being races created or touched by the Titans left.

Tauren- As far as we know, Titans never even HEARD of tauren.

Trolls- Same goes for trolls (except the trolls had apparently heard of the Titans before) Several other random animal species- It's likely that several animals that were native to Azeroth had not ever been touched at all by the Titans.

Please N'Nanz, don't be so bold and confident that you are right in your claims. This seems to be the second time I've seen where you've been wrong despite how you thought passionately that you were right (the other being how you thought faceless ones were the nerubian equivalent to qiraji (and that seemed to only be because of the Rajaxx place-holder model)) Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Leviathon.

Image:Aquaticray.jpg

-- 15:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

If you look behind the "faceless general" you can see more pictures. One of a girl or woman being covered by snakes, and another that looks like a cyclopian monster. Not sure what either of those could mean--Darkling235 20:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well Toran perhaps you are right not because Trolls and Tauren are not related to Titans but because it's unkwnown if they were. However remember that the most likely identity of the Earthmother is Alexstrasza, Ysera or Eonar. For more clarifications about Tauren read Tauren mythology. About qiraji/faceless you are totally right, I lost that bet but since nobody went to claim the reward... who cares ;D --N'Nanz (talk) 00:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems the stained glass is just depicting Titans and Old Gods. For example the 'cyclops' like monster is likely meant to be a Old God. Leviathon (talk) 05:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Call me crazy but some of those pictures look like old gods (check mmo champion for better views) but there also looks like pictures of azshara up there.--Darkling235 05:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Also theres a difference between items the titan's left and updated materials. The murals and stained glass pictures have probably been there since Ulduar was constructed. The only places we see modern items in an ulduar instance are the spinning globes that depict azeroth. But these aren't models, they're monitoring tools. They let the watchers view azeroth evolving. Like a globe shaped tv screen. The statutes in ulduar (that I've seen) are night elf, troll, tauren, and human/vrykyl. Trolls and tauren likely predate the titan's arrival. They each have legends about them. Whether night elves could recall the titans is unknown since the source of their origin is debated. The human statute could also be a statue of a vrykyl who obviously remember the titans. --Darkling235 16:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The woman that shoots arrows to that drake in that large hall isn't a night elf? --N'Nanz (talk) 09:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Naming

I'd like to suggest renaming the article to from "Ulduar (instance)" to "Ulduar (raid)" to prevent confusion between it and the other two instances located in the greater Ulduar complex. While it may be clear to experienced players, the current name may be confusing to someone new to WotLK. --Tyrsenus t c 15:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

This page used to be called "Ulduar raid" before it was moved to "Ulduar (instance)" but I agree (instance) just does not sound right even though it is a instance - I agree "Uldar (raid)" or maybe even "Uldar (10/25)" might be a better name for it. -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 16:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The other instances are clearly distinguish from this instance's name... if people can't tell the different between Ulduar, Halls of Stone and Halls of Lightning, it's their problem. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The Watchers

So far Hodir and Thorim have both been redeemed when defeated on the PTR and I would imagine the same thing will happen with Mimiron and Ferya. Guess we will be getting some help against Yogg-Saron after all. Leviathon (talk) 20:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Umm if that's true and Mimirrion just submits how are we going to drive in his head? I think maybe Mimir and Mirion are two different characters (Mimirrion being made my mimir). Of course if Mimirion is not Mimir then we have two missing watchers at the moment: Mimir and Tyr. --Darkling235 23:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

His mount could be the hard mode reward. Leviathon (talk) 03:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Areas

Here are the areas of Ulduar: Before entering Ulduar itself there's a huge pre-instance area outside the Ulduar building. You only enter it after you've passed 4 bosses.

• The Archivum
• The Antechamber – XT002 Deconstructor
• Iron Concourse/The Assembly of Iron – The Iron Council
• The Colossal Forge – Ignis
• Formation Grounds
• The Scrapyard
• Razorscale's Aerie/Razorscale's Perch – Razorscale
• The Corridors of Ingenuity – Mimiron
• Hall of Memories – General Vezax
• The Conservatory of Life – Freya
• Expedition Base Camp
• The Shattered Walkway
• The Clash of Thunder – Thorim
• The Prison of Yogg-Saron – Yogg-Saron
• The Halls of Winter
• The Spark of Imagination
• The Descent into Madness
• The Celestial Planetarium

• Ruins of Lordaeron?

-- 20:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The area at the start (believe it was the formation grounds) is where we will see the Flame Leviathan. Algalon is in the area to the right when you initially enter the Antechamber (while the left is the Iron Council). The only 2 unknown bosses are Kologarm and Auriya. Guess one of them could be further into the Hall of Memories since it was blocked off and one could actually be the new Wintergrasp boss. Leviathon (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen the picture I made of the boss models on Mmo-champion? It got Algalon, Auriya and Kalogarn there. -- 21:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I tend to avoid MMO Champion as much as I can do to how much misinformation (T8 Druid, shaman and paladin sets for example) they post based on datamining. Kologarm is the only one with a unique model and due to how it is I think he is the one who will be in Ulduar with Auriya being the Wintergrasp boss. There really isn't anything connecting either 1 to Ulduar yet though since even the boss icons were not instance labled. Leviathon (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

So you did see my topic on the forums over there? What do you mean with a unique model? What about Vezax, Hodir, YS, Freya and the others, they have all new, unique models.... -- 21:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Because the models were clearly datamined, they will not be added. MMO-Champion can do as it pleases, but this is not the place for such discussion.--Tyrsenus t c 22:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

What I mean is that there is no way to know for sure where Auriya and Kologarm are in the instance yet or if one is the new Wintergrasp boss. Leviathon (talk) 03:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ruins of Lordaeron what!? --N'Nanz (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well Kologarm is the one in the instance. You can actually see him in the preview teaser at 1:00 right by Yogg-Sarons prison. Guess he will be the fight before the Watchers. Leviathon (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are four teleport platforms in the last room: Prison of Yogg-Saron. This suggests to me that 4 watchers are going to help us. No idea which they are.--Darkling235 15:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The Watchers are Thorim, Freya, Hodir and Mimir/Mimiron. No sign of Tyr anywhere. Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 16:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Tyr

Any sign of Tyr? He's the only watcher whom I havent heard of yet. I expected him to be in Ulduar, since his temple showed no sign of damage I kind of assumed he defected voluntarily. Has anyone seen or heard of him? I suppose he might be a penuultimate boss or part of the yogg saron encounter. If he's not in ulduar I dont know what could have happened to him --Darkling235 23:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

It is likely Tyr may have noticed something was up and escaped being captured and corrupted. Could be possible we will see him at the beginning of the instance at the expedition camp when you enter but so far there is no mention of him being a boss of any kind. Since the questline to get to Algalon requires getting the Sigils of the Watchers on their hard modes it seems pretty likely Tyr is on our side and that the player is just given his sigil. Leviathon (talk) 03:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually it seems we don't need Tyr's or perhaps more oddly, Loken's sigil to open the door. Kinda a plot hole.--Darkling235 22:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

New Ulduar PTR Testing Information

Four new bosses just got confirmed by our good friend Daelo (link: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443249172&sid=1). I just added them to the article. I can't imagine there would be any complaints like the silly one that was made against Algalon (which was: He wasn't technically stated to be an Ulduar boss, just a hard boss). Dcemuser (talk) 23:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Please...

Guys, please stop adding Yogg-Saron to the known encounters list until it is PROVEN that he is a boss in there.

Until we get citations/proof that Yogg's a boss, KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF HIM! Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Well there is plenty of proof of him being there. Just unfortunately most the proof is datamined :p Leviathon (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It's as obvious as Lance Bass was gay before he announced it. Unfortunately because of policy it cannot be added to WoWWiki until Blizzard explicitly states it or we see it. The maps and sound files all are evidence that he's the end boss but Blizzard hasn't released it yet. From the datamining alone, we are far enough to determine all 14 bosses in this instance. Just gotta wait on the greenlight. -- Gnifewrench <Unholy> 23:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah its something blizzard does, if they say anything along the lines of "rumor has it" then its pretty much confirmed(Ex. blizz rumored that kil'jaden will be the end boss of Sunwell). Following that logic here might or might not be a picture of what could or could not be the beast of a thousand maws...maybe http://www.spooncraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/yoggsaron_2.jpg. Not that it matters because sadly it seems that this place, like many, has fallen into the useless BS bureaucracy that has so rapidly became the conform for many wiki's. And remember! "If we can't cite it, then it doesn't exist." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vthetouch (talk · contr).

Well in this case it's also partially a legal issue. Providing datamined content on the site violates Blizzard's rules about unreleased content. Yeah, sites like MMO-Champion and WotlkWiki do it, but here at WoWWiki we prefer to err on the side of caution and stick by what Blizzard says rather than expect them to look the other way. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

We're an Official Fansite. There are rules we need to follow if we intend to keep that designation. The fact that we didn't have Y-S up as confirmed for the past few weeks means, what exactly? "Oh noes, MMO got the drop on us by posting datamined info! Whatever will we do?" From one of your friendly "BS bureaucrat" admins... --k_d³ 01:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed Ulduar Bosses via the Ingame Achievement System from PTR build (9684)

 The Siege of Uldar - Defeat the bosses of The Siege area of Ulduar on Normal Difficulty.

1. Flame Leviathan - Confirmed listing
2. Razorscale - Confirmed listing
3. XT-002 Deconstructor - Confirmed listing
4. Ignis the Furnace Master - Confirmed listing

 The Antechamber of Ulduar - Defeat the bosses of The Antechamber area of Ulduar on Normal Difficulty.

1. Iron Council - Confirmed listing
2. Kologarn - Confirmed listing
3. Auriaya - Confirmed listing

 The Keepers of Ulduar - Defeat the Keeper bosses of Ulduar on Normal Difficulty.

1. Hodir - Confirmed listing
2. Thorim - Confirmed listing
3. Freya - Confirmed listing
4. Mimiron - Confirmed listing

 The Descent into Madness - Defeat the bosses of The Descent into Madness area of Ulduar on Normal Difficulty.

1. General Vezax - Confirmed listing
2. Yogg-Saron - Confirmed listing

 Supermassive - Defeat Algalon the Observer while destroying 4 Black Holes within 10 seconds on Normal Difficulty.

1. Algalon the Observer - Confirmed listing

• These achievements and bosses are confirmed (Ingame) on the new PTR build (9684) - ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 00:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I gess it's the end of speculations now :) Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 01:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Mimiron and Vezax

Is Mimiron really a watcher? I mean... he is a mechagnome... Mimir is the watcher, but it's not sure Mimir and Mimiron are the same. If he isn't the fourth watcher, who is?

And another thing... Isn't it strange a faceless one, Vezax, a servant of Yoggy guarding his prison, and not a Titan-like being? Pudim17 (talk - contr) 17:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Mimir and Mimiron -- the only difference is the " on " -- so I think it is safe to say they are One and the same ? -- The Ingame achievements are calling him Mimiron (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>^C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>_T) 17:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

They are probably the same. And about Vazax, do you think that with all the watchers corrupted there will be any problem for Yoggy having a faceless one in there? Azahel (talk) 06:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Map

Is the map wrong or is Mimiron really that far away? The ways to the bosses all seem to be short except the way to Mimiron. Mars85 11:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The way to Mimiron is in fact as short as his buddies :

- a small corridor with trashs

- in the long corridor you travel in a train, which is ~2 min max for a one-way

- an empty small corridor

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Encounters

Ok. So the trash in this place is a bit harder than Nax and should have some links and information. Where would the best place be to link to the trash?
1) have a section on each boss page listing the trash needed to be cleared to kill the boss?
2) put links to all the trash mobs in the main Ulduar page or have a page just for listing all the ulduar trash mobs?
I know there are some pages out there for the individual trash guys(ie Molten Colossus, I just want to have a good way for people to navigate it. Thanks for any suggestions Ghunor (talk) 21:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Given the prievous dungeons/raids:

• Karazhan#Encounters
• Sunwell_Plateau#Encounters

The 3rd option is the better ! A table with two columns Zone/Boss and Trash Mobs

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 21:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch, I just started contributing so I hope I don't screw anything up. I'll start adding some trash mobs to the encounters as I get time Ghunor (talk) 22:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I just updated it, but I noticed some errors already. I'll fix them up Ghunor (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I would hesitate to add anything more to this article until it gets cleaned up a bit. It now contains three boss lists and two lists of geographical areas. If anything, add the trash info to the area articles, e.g. Formation Grounds, The Shattered Walkway. --Tyrsenus t c 00:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The Mind's Eye

There's a map in the game for 'The Mind's Eye', and the skull shows there is a boss fight there... the map is on this article, but it has no subtext... what is this place for? Which boss is there? Why is there no mention of it on the article? The Haunted Angel (talk) 00:08, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

It's part of the Yogg-Saron fight. During the fight, players move in and out of Yogg-Saron's mind, which contains visions and illusions of other places, times, and events. You can't go there at any other time, nor can you even scroll to it from the area list on the map screen. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:11, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm odd, as I've scrolled to it on the area list on my map screen, without the use of addons (although I can only do it whilst in the Spark of Imagination). Regardless, thanks for the fast response! The Haunted Angel (talk) 00:21, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Youtube Video IDs

They're not working anymore... Maygus (talk) 12:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

That's because they had spaces in them. It's fixed now. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Screen shots with players?

I'd like it if we had a few screen shots with a player in them for scale. Otherwise, you don't really get a sense of how small you'll be. Seahen (talk) 14:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)