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Warlords of Draenor Portal[]

Just thinking if the Warlords of Draenor portal can be made, can contain everything that was and is going to be added during this expansion. Just like the Mists of Pandaria portal. -- — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 21:01, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Polish Wowpedia[]

Hello. I'm interested in creating a Polish version of Wowpedia, but I've read that I should contact an admin before doing anything. There already is a WoWWiki in Polish, but it's extremaly outdated and unsupported. I'm associated with an active WoW fansite where I could post some info about a new version of Wowpedia in the future, so finding a community shouldn't be a problem. I'm still unsure where to start, so any advice is appreciated. I can add that I've had some experience with translating WoW news and short stories before. I look forward to your reply. -- QuassRPG (talk) 02:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Use Gamepedia videos highlighting lore entries as Featured Media?[]

Gamepedia has been making some videos (see for an example) relating to the lore of several Warcraft icons, and they plan to continue making more. I'd like to feature these videos to highlight specific articles in Wowpedia. What do you guys think? --PcjWowpedia admin (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 20:44, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, as long as we're linked in their description too. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like a nice improvement to the featured media section. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

A period after an image description?[]

Should there be a period after an image description? Wikipedia doesn't do it, but such cases are common on WoWPedia.--Adûnâi (talk) 01:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)


I just started reading LiLi's Travel journal and to my surprise on the very first page LiLi mentions A philosophy called the wanderers way and that Chen has written alot about.

is there a reason this is not mentioned anywhere on Wowpidia?Seems like it should be somewhere on the Pandaren artical and mentioned in Lili and chen's own articals and probably have it's own even if there is little information on the subject.

Some care to explain? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gudical (talk · contr) on 22:38, 29 September 2015‎.

"Did you know" section[]

So I was just thinking that it might be neat to have a "Did you know" section on the main page listing various facts and trivia from different articles, like they have on Wikipedia or Wookieepedia. Currently, I think the main page tends to look a bit bland. For example:

Did you know...
  • ... that cursed arakkoa prefer to hide in the forests or beneath awnings during daylight hours due to believing that they have been abandoned by the sun?
  • ... that at some point, Illidan Stormrage tried his hand at writing, authoring a book titled Inv misc book 10 [The Emerald Dream]?
  • ... that despite the lack of a central pandaren government, the otters in Lonesome Cove are protected by law?

And so on. Could maybe even have a "Quote of the day" or something similar. Not sure how to implement this, so it was just a thought/suggestion. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 18:58, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

This seems like a great idea. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 01:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Afraid I don't know how to make something like that either, but I like the idea! PeterWind (talk) 06:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I like it!--Mordecay (talk) 21:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


There shouldn't be interwikis to nonexistent wikis :O That's just silly, and also misleading. Xbony2 (talk) 01:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Never clicked those other languages, but I can see now that you mention it, that several of them just leads back to gamepedia's main site yeah. PeterWind (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't see this question. We generally try to keep questions which aren't directed towards anyone on the Wowpedia:Village pump. To answer your question, most of the interwikis links are a remnant from before we split off from WoWWiki. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
How would you add other Languages like german (which I would try to help editing)?, Corvuuss (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
If you want a german version, first you have to create in this wiki traslated pages (like Illidan Stormrage/pt) and add them in the category DE Translation (for german version). I recommend you to start with NPCs. When there is enough traslated pages, you have to send a email to in order to get the DE domain. --Kandooww ^^ (talk) 11:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Some pages still have redirects to pages in languages that no longer have their own interwikis. Redirects such as ru:Шаблон:ЗеркалоОбновления/СтрокаО. Should the unused language redirects be removed or just be left alone in case somebody at some point starts up a new version for the "removed" language? PeterWind (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

WoD PvP[]

I guess we should add season two and three aswell under WoD PvP. PeterWind (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

About Mail[]

Hello! Please can you help me? I'm a new player in WoW and I has Starter Edition, I want to check my mail but I can't. Do you know glitches to let me saw my mail? Please comment below if yes... Please! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drilera (talk · contr).

This isn't the place to ask for exploits and glitches. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:36, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

WoW Gamepedia Leaderboard bug[]

Neither the link to the WoW Gamepedia Leaderboard, nor the user's standing are currently visible on the user profile page. Is it intended or a bug?--Adûnâi (talk) 05:22, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Update to the left menu[]

Hi guys! Since you've already changed the main page to reflect the Legion changes and created a Legion Portal, I just wanted to remember you to replace the WoD portal link with the Legion one in the left menu, under the Wowpedia Logo.

-- Tristhar (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

I feel like we should use a the year system that is given to us by the Warcraft: Chronicle[]

It seems like very little of the pages that describe events clearly state when events happen. While the in game lore does not give a date system Blizzard has given us Chronicle which has a year system similar to the one that the Star Wars fans use. The Opening of the Dark Portal/Warcraft I as year 0.

BDP would stand for "Before the Dark Portal" while ADP would stand for "After the Dark Portal". War of the Ancients would be 10,000BDP while Legion would be 36ADP.

Seems like it would help make the lore more clear and easier to understand the scale. I submit the idea to add years to every page that needs them. TheLoneAcolyte (talk · contr) 08:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

We've already been using the BDP and ADP system for quite some time now. See the unofficial timeline. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 08:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
But it does not seem like we use it out side of that timeline. Would it be frown upon if I added years to posts I saw? TheLoneAcolyte (talk · contr) 8:15, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
One thing I know is that the official timeline isn't very popular among roleplayers because it condenses more than ten years of WoW events in about 5/6 years so the timeline is all messed up for people who "lived" through that IRL decade :( Xporc (talk) 09:16, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I can understand that, but what RPers do is not canon. TheLoneAcolyte (talk · contr) 14:53, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
That's why I'm not saying we shouldn't add the dates, I'm just trying to explain why they are still missing Xporc (talk) 15:12, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Legion is 32 ADP. --Mordecay (talk) 15:25, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Herbalism and First Aid missing[]

Herbalism and First Aid seem to be missing from the list of Professions. Not sure why not and I would have added them if I had rights. --FatherZuke (talk) 23:03, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, added. --PcjWowpedia admin (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 23:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Planets and Planes...[]

...only links to planets. Could you also link it to planes? --Ryon21 (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I would, but planes has three hat notes at the top of the page. I'm unwilling to link to it as is. --k_d3 23:39, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I understand. Maybe I'll try to clean it up a little. We can leave it like this for now then :)- --Ryon21 (talk) 23:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Allied races[]

Dark Iron dwarf and Mag'har orc should be added to the front page as they haven't been added yet. Mrforesttroll (talk) 17:16, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Done.SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:28, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Kul Tiran and Zandalari can be added. --Ryon21 (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Xporc did it and pointed all of them to the playable articles as well. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 22:12, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Could you also update the Kul Tiran on Template:Infobox Alliance. Mrforesttroll (talk) 22:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Done. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 22:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

What does this symbol mean?[]


Does this symbol exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Landate1 (talk · contr).

Do you know what the context of this symbol is? Is it used just once, or many places? PeterWind (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Also, where did you get it from? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
It's a Hearthstone teaser image - - for Year of the Dragon (see image titled - YOTD Timeline). Mrforesttroll (talk) 22:14, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Nice find! This symbol should definitely be related to the Kirin Tor since the expansion has since been revealed as Rise of Shadows with Dalaran in the logo. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 22:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

First Aid[]

First Aid is still on the front page even though it was removed in 8.0. Shouldn't it be removed, or at the very least marked as no longer available (don't know how it would be shown with WoW: Classic coming out). Mrforesttroll (talk) 18:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

It should be kept in some form, IMO Xporc (talk) 13:45, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
This leaves to a discussion on how we should handle World of Warcraft: Classic stuff. Started one here. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 13:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Obviously no one's talking about removing the First Aid pages entirely, but they definitely shouldn't be on the main page anymore. --Dark T Zeratul (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Disagreed, it belongs on the front page, just with a tag or section about classic Xporc (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Guilds and connected realms[]

I want to create a guild and need to avoid requesting signatures from chars on different realms (I am on Eonar). Is there any way to just see chars my realm/server?

- and if anybody knows how to invite chars to a guild from other realms, please let me know.

-- Ocean369 (talk) 13:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Planets and Planes[]

Planets and Planes is linked on the front page just to Planets, could someone link them as such: Planets and Planes. Thank you. Mrforesttroll (talk)

Sure, thanks Xporc (talk) 09:53, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Could the "Warcraft Universe" section be:

Warcraft universe

--Mordecay (talk) 10:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Don't see why not. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 12:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Races from 7.3.5 order[]

The Void elves are before Lightforged and Nightborne are before Highmountain in the character creation screen and should be that way on the front page. That is the order they are also in on other pages on Wowpedia. Mrforesttroll (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


I think in the Races area there should be seperate area for main races and allied races. In addition I would suggest to make them in collums of two for each faction , four collums in total and sort them by ABC. More so the title of "Races" should be a link to "Playable Races". (Yuvalal (talk) 16:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC))


I think in the Profession area there should be seperate area for Praimary profession and secendary profession. in addition I think for make it more useful to make the title "Profession" into a link to its page "Profession" . (Yuvalal (talk) 16:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)).

here's a mockup i did, with the headers as links and the secondary professions moved to the bottom of the professions list. i may have fudged it a bit with the link color; i didn't want the hover underlines to be blue, so i just gave them the ClassLink class. not sure if that's undesirable
i'm also not sure how one would separate the allied races without it being confusing, since the races box is already organized by faction —Eithris (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
I would like to suggestion to place subtitles . "Main races" and "Allied races" and under each will be the races for each title. which can work with professions as well (primary and secandary. )(Yuvalal (talk) 16:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC))
here's an attempt at doing that. unfortunately, on my screen it's having unpleasant results with the spacing, since the two sections have different numbers of races. to be honest i have no idea if there'd be a way to fix that —Eithris (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks it is looking better already . I wonder if this split you did for races can be done for professions as well. (Yuvalal (talk) 06:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC))
boop. but... now the alignment feels off. personally, i think i preferred keeping it simple, like the first example —Eithris (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
The one with Core Races and Allied Races is fine. Almost necessary, compared to what we have on live where all the races are dumped into one window. However, I would also order them alphabetically to make it easier to find a race. I think it was originally supposed to mimick the in-game creation screen, but this doesn't work because of various screen sizes changing the order anyway. -- — MyMindWontQuiet 20:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
so like this, or like that? —Eithris (talk) 01:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
The first one for me because it is spreading the horde and the alliance .At least his is my thought between these two. I think Pandaren should be at the bottum of the core races as it is nither alliance or horde race. (Yuvalal (talk) 14:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC))
I find the first one more intuitive too. -- — MyMindWontQuiet 23:21, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The Hydra Dark skin/appearance[]

Is there any way to revert back to the previous grey WoWPedia appearance? This new Hydra Dark skin makes the background pitch-black and impossible to edit. Why was it changed? The grey appearance was so perfect, changes only to the worse and much worse...--Adûnâi (talk) 01:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

For everyone else is still grey, so it may simply be a error. Have you tried deleting the browser's cache? Either way, I'm not an expert so I don't know how else to help. --Ryon21 (talk) 11:07, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
To clarify, I mean the editing area (when I'm writing this). It should be white, but I'm seeing it as pure black (with the white text). Weirdly enough, it is only so when I'm logged in (no matter the browser). But when I'm logged out, it's white as it should be.--Adûnâi (talk) 13:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Copy the code from User:Alayea/hydradark.css to your own: User:Adunaii/hydradark.css. That should restore the white background. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 15:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it has worked! Thank you.--Adûnâi (talk) 22:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Core Race Not Linked[]

I noticed that under the Race section the allied race is properly linked to the allied race page but the core race is not linked. So I'm thinking that it should be fixed.--X59 (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Fixed Xporc (talk) 07:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

What's the point of the "but exists in WoW Classic" template for removed spells?[]

Look at Spell nature faeriefire [Faerie Fire]. The spell was removed. But the template used is this weird {Classic only|patch=7.0.3}. Why? It is used in very few articles, inconsistently, and obnoxiously tautologically. It feels like a pointless advertisement of Classic. A player can see for himself when the spell was added. Also, what's about the future Classic TBC? And the countless piratkas? A pointless template.--Adûnâi (talk) 05:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

The template adds pages to the Classic category. PeterWind (talk) 06:11, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
It is used in more and more articles as people get to edit the related pages. Please don't remove them when you see them. Xporc (talk) 07:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
it's harmless to have and it makes pages more user-friendly by quickly letting classic players know, hey, this page is about classic content. that's the purpose of hatnotes: to make it so you can know at a glance if a page is what you're looking for.
plus, for the majority of classic content, a player actually can't see for themself when it was added. if something was added before patch 1.11.1, chances are its page has no "Added" note, because that information just isn't available. —Eithris (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Definitely agreed with what others say about the usefulness of the template, but I can also understand the notion of not wanting the template on pages because if you come across an ability that was changed in 5 expansions, it is faaaaaar away from what it was in Classic, so having it with Classic banner with minimum Classic information (infobox is way off and external links are incorrect / outdated or even not present like in Spell holy elunesgrace [Elune's Grace]) may not be very informative in that regard. I'm not sure what the quality of ability pages is, but it is possible that the historical info may be lost if not properly archived in Patch changes section. That, however, wouldn't mean the Classic template doesn't have its place there. --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Class PvP talents lack a template[]

I'm personally against this convoluted way of writing articles, but PvP talents are the only ones that are written directly in the article (see the warlock abilities article).--Adunaii (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Old expansions[]

Hello I would like to suggest to add small icons of old expansions beneath the two main ones which appear at the top to make people aware of old expansions pages . and the icons will redirect them to the expansion page.(Yuvyuv111 (talk) 12:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC))

Don't think this is really necessary. If anything, The Burning Crusade would be more relevant than everything else with the rumored classic version. Surafbrov (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Upcoming literature[]

I realized that in the coming months, some new Warcraft books are coming, and I had to go through other pages here (and websites) to refresh my memory and see what the books actually were. So an idea just occurred to me about a small section on the main wowpedia page, listing the upcoming books with release dates. Currently, there are Folk and Fairy Tales of Azeroth, a new cookbook, Grimoire of the Shadowlands, and later second Exploring Azeroth and Sylvanas. We could possibly include Forging Worlds by Neilson.

Technically speaking, it could work like the News section; we would be editing it as time and books come and go. Showing releases either by quarter or simply through whole year. Placed possibly under the News section as well (but there is no space left as it is currently pretty even, so I dunno)

Thoughts? --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 18:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I like the idea, but yea space is an issue. Could possibly add it as part of the News section. Maybe something like: Upcoming literature: Folk & Fairy Tales of AzerothExploring Azeroth: KalimdorGrimoire of the Shadowlands and BeyondNew Flavors of Azeroth: The Official CookbookSurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 20:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Here, visual. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 20:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
This looks good, too. --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Such a section would be nice, but I don't think we need to limit it to just literature since I doubt Blizzard is going to keep releasing new books at this pace all the time. I think I'd prefer a general "Upcoming Warcraft releases" section that would also include things like upcoming patches, though that would obviously have some overlap with the content we currently put under News. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 20:43, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Good idea. Though here's my thoughts about patches: major patches in the news, minor ones (including Warcraft III) in this small list. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 20:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Yea, it doesn't have to be limited to literature; have other releases as well.
And should order matter? Like the first item listed would be the closest release. Or it shouldn't matter? --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
I would lean for ordering them by release date, yes. Closest released item is the first one. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 21:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Nice idea! PeterWind (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Definitely sort by release date, yes. I also agree with Mordecay that the section should include the release dates so people don't have to go to all the individual pages to see when each one releases. Arbitrary example:
Patch 9.1: Chains of Domination (content patch, TBA) • Folk & Fairy Tales of Azeroth (short story compilation, May 25) • Grimoire of the Shadowlands and Beyond (lore book, July 14) • World of Warcraft: Corgis Unleashed (expansion, early 2084) -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 22:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I've added the list to Wowpedia/News with all the feedback here. Feel free to edit it as well as trying to keep our news section up-to-date. However, don't overly add stuff. Minor patches, for example are not really needed here. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 16:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I feel like the releases need to be on separate lines. When it's all squished together like that, it's hard to parse. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 10:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
How about this? --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Looks good — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 12:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Much better, thanks. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
After looking at it for a while, I think it makes more sense to put the release date in front of the product name, to more clearly show the release order.
TBA: Patch 9.1
May 25: Folk & Fairy Tales of Azeroth
June 1: New Flavors of Azeroth
And so on. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 10:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
No objection from me. --HordeRace bloodelf male Mordecay (talk) 11:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Changed it. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 23:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The downgrade of Wowpedia's UI by Fandom[]

I'm not sure whether this is the appropriate place to give feedback, and whether it matters at all at this point, but I'd like to share a few points on the new Wowpedia UI, courtesy of Fandom. Will keep it short.
1. The bars at the top and to the left eat up space and constantly distract.
2. The use of icons - I could barely find the button to log in.
3. The top bar is moving constantly, depending on the scroll - causes nausea and makes me feel unwell.
4. The text is too narrow, like in the worst 1990s designs coupled with modern phone mobile Material design, flat and ugly and distracting.
5. The bottom of the page is turned into an infinite scroll of advertisements, Wikia-way.
6. The right part of the screen is taken by the useless "Page tools" links.
7. And finally, I was genuinely unable to find the link to this talk page! I had to go to my history and ctrl+F. Unreal.
In some ways, that later Wikia UI was marginally more bearable, the bar at the top was thinner, there was no bar to the left, and a pop up at the bottom could be clicked away.
I'm sad for the future generation. I cannot imagine myself creating an account in such a place, one amongst the many on the modern mobile UI Internet. I wish I didn't know any better.
P.S. Apparently, I can't even preview the changes I'm making to the page anymore.Adunaii (talk) 07:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I submitted a number of tickets to Fandom suggesting minor improvements. One of the most impactful would be making the max-width of the content area (when logged out, not maximized) proportionate to the font size. Right now, the font is about 15% larger on big monitors yet the content area stays the same width... resulting in even fewer words fitting per line. I do find it paradoxical that a large monitor shows less content than a small one! And its called "FandomDesktop" at that! But still, I am not holding my breath for change and I do believe some of the onus is on us to ensure we arn't always assuming a large desktop monitor when designing templates and things. We can mitigate some of what Fandom has imposed through good choices... just not all of it. DDC (talk) 16:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Can someone add Dracthyr[]

As the Evoker class has been added to the main page can someone add Dracthyr to core races on the main page. Mrforesttroll (talk) 21:50, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Need the icon team add the race icons first. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 21:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Could you add the Warcraft Arclight Rumble to the dropdown menu from UNIVERSE at the top of the wiki, maybe just as "Arclight Rumble". Mrforesttroll (talk) 16:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Done. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 19:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Dracthyr icon should be the dracthyr form of the race the same way as on character creation screen, rather then the visage forms used on the front page currently. As they use the same icon for both genders they should only use one icon on the front page and not two like the other races. At least that's my opinion. Mrforesttroll (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)