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Archive of June 2008 to May 2009

Magnataur Image

Noticed you marked the image I uploaded as a Alpha image. Just wanted to point out it isn't a Alpha image and is from the bestiary page. Leviathon (talk) 17:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


What's your rationalization for keeping an object and an item page separate in some places and together in others? --Sky (t · c · w) 04:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I thought... Maybe it would be a good idea to combine them in all cases...
What do I know though? --Sky (t · c · w) 05:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Some would disagree with that opinion...
Anyway, have fun with your further editing this evening. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Yarzill and etc

Even though my original shot goes in the ashcan, the wiki is improved. How, may I ask, did you manage to come up with a screenie for that quest so fast? Have one in your attic somewhere?

And on other fronts, I appreciate your addition to [Can't Hold Your Brew], too. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Enslavable Demons vs Warlock Minions

I look at these two categories, with their big warnings at the top. I am assuming that a warlock uses Enslave Demon to enslave a demon, but I had to go through several pages to discover this. Would it be appropriate to put that information into the category description?

And what drew me here in the first place: Imp is on both categories, as is Felhunter; Felguard, Voidwalker have different page names in the different categories; Succubus is in minions but not enslavable? I do not know enough about higher level warlocks to see what - if anything - is wrong here. But the fact I'm confused might indicate a problem. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The category description for Enslavable demons now links to Enslave Demon.
Those articles that are in the enslavable demon category are those containing lore and other information than that about the summoned versions. The pages for the summoned version were separated because it was thought there existed enough information to justify an entire article. Personally, I thought they should all be separated, but there wasn't enough agreement on that.
Now, the real problem here is that someone <.< >.> thought having this category would be a great idea, but didn't bother to populate it properly. Really, what should be in there, are articles that are only about specific instances of mobs. If there is a mob named "Imp" in game (which I'm fairly sure there is), and it is enslavable (which I'm not sure they are) then an article named "Imp" is appropriately placed in the category. The same goes for the others.
So, what I think about this is that there should be "(Warlock pet)" and a "(WoW creature)," if there exists a wow creature with that exact name, versions of each of those articles you mention, lore being in the non-disambiguated article.
What needs to be done is the category needs populating. Someone needs to go do some investigation on which demons are enslavable, create an article for that creature if one does not exist, and add the category to those articles.
Does that answer your questions? --DuTempete (talk) 14:28, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
To a great extent, it does. To sum up, though: "It's a work in progress, there's not consensus on all points, and I haven't gotten there yet". I hope, though, that my questions have been more helpful than burdensome. As I said, I'm not an avid warlock player (yet, anyway), so I'm not a lot of help to ya. Some of these things are like "unfunded mandates"... "this is a nice idea, the rest of you complete it, would ya?" --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 [Galaen's Journal]

So... my addition was prompting, but not necessarily new material. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I had created many object pages, but later decided just to merge them with their item counterparts. Just so happens I might have missed a few so when I saw that pop up on my watchlist I merged them. And no sense to have the same book text on the same page. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 20:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It's an argument in favor of just what you're doing... I didn't see the Item page, and so didn't see the text. I think, though, that the item is NOT readable (qv Thottbot). It's the Object that I drew my text from, and as 'a discussion with an NPC', not as 'reading text of an item'. Might want to do a little sprucing on that. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh well I was using WoWhead, and it showed text on the item but not the object... and I can't remember if the item was readable... I do however know the object is least after you take the quest... I think. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 23:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Quote for Warlock

Why can there not be the quote there? What defines a "lore" character from a "not-so-lore" character? Are you saying warlocks aren't anywhere to be mentioned in the History's 5 chapters of WoW? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WarCrime (talk · contr).

Runecloth Boots

I did not flag Pattern:Runecloth Boots as 'removed from game' myself because - as near as I can tell - the pattern object can still exist. That is, while it is no longer sold, and is no longer needed, anyone who had it in inventory would not have seen it disappear. I can verify that some of the dropped pattern items (that became trained) still stuck around ... I had several such patterns. I do not know if that is enough to qualify for the "RFG" tag, or not. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

"Removed from game" does not always equal "this item does not exist anymore" - it is simply a guideline that it can no longer be obtained. Same reason why the rare level 70 PvP items has been tagged as removed from game. g0urra[T҂C] 18:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for tidying up some of the stuff I added yesterday, it was my first day heh ^,^;;;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeNoir679 (talk · contr).

Thank you!

Thank you for the welcome message! It was nice. Captain panda 04:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Another thank you!

Thanks for tidying up all the stuff that I add. This makes it far more easyer for other people to understand :P.
-Thisunsigned comment was added by Bahumut5 (talk · contr).

Abandond Images

There seems to be too many 'abandonded' images on Wowwiki. Could really need cleaning up by a bot. RealmS (talk) 06:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes there is, it's always good when one finds them. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 06:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
So it's fine to tag them for speedy delete then? Will have to start doing that when I'm just hanging around, lol :) RealmS (talk) 06:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yep. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 06:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Bloodmoon Isle Page

You reverted my edits without any explanation. I believe the screenshot I provided was better than what was there. You also removed my map graphic. Can you please give me a rationale for your edit? Rascilon (talk)

I do think the new picture was better. For the map graphics, I'm unsure. I like the idea of highlighting where locations are, as the articles don't really do it otherwise. Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'd understand having highlighted areas on a map for places that are not labeled... but when the place is clearly marked, I saw no point to it. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 00:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Page names

I don't understand, the article you referred me to says "There is an important exception to this rule: "the", "a" or "an" is included when it would be capitalized if it appeared in text." The subzone is literally titled "The Dead Scar" in the zone name in the upper-right corner, and the prompt when you enter the subzone itself. Doesn't this fall under the rule's exception, as it not only appears as part of the name, but also appears capitalized, in the text? Mantecon (talk) 01:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's just how it's done, see The Barrens, The Hinterlands, The North Sea, The Apothecarium, etc. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 01:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Well that doesn't make any sense, it appears to fall short of the rules the wiki itself outlines. I'm new to WoWWiki, but I'm no stranger to them; I'm admin to two. Though each are understandably not as large as this one, I still think it's important to be as specific as possible to what's canon. It's like, going by the naming policy and using Undercity as an example, it is always referred to by characters as "the Undercity," but appears solely as "Undercity" in the zone name, so it's reasonable that the article be titled simply "Undercity." But in the case of zones that are referred to both in lore and by zone name prompt with "The" or such, not that it's inaccurate, but then again it's not necessarily accurate either. Mantecon (talk) 02:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Peasant images

I think I might have confused you or you confused me. The images should go as follows: Peasant.png, Peasant2.png, and Peasant3.png since png is the preferred kind right? Now I know Peasant.png and Peasant2.png look the same, but they are from two different manuals. The first one is Warcraft I and the guy is walking in one direction. The second one is from Warcraft II and the guy is walking the other direction and it has a signature on the bottom. I don't know why they did that. Hope that helps.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 03:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about, I didn't make any comments about anything you were doing. Only thing I did was mark Peasant2.png cause its a duplicate of Peasant.jpg.
Though I will say, watch what you do upload, Peasant.jpg, Peasant2.png, and Peasant2.jpg are all the same. And if you check the logs, gourra is the one that originally fixed and removed the dups. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I know I was just saying in case you see the uploads I just made within the hour and wonder why there are so many peasant images.  Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 04:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

various images

Thanks for helping me with the images I uploaded, I should be able to do it myself in a short while, but I dont know how to yet, tech never were me. You wouldnt happen to know, several locations have npcs which displays an error; "This npc either has no tooltip or was not intended to have one. A correctly formatted { { npcbox} } must be added to the target npc page." but the npc's page seems fine, know how to correct this? - TherasTaneel (talk · contr). 18:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Then have a look at the Thrallmar page; Martik Tor'seldori have a red link, but his page exists Martik Tor'seldori . TherasTaneel (talk · contr). 03:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Any easier way to have a convo back and forth than this? :) oki, guess that will be helpfull at times. TherasTaneel (talk · contr)

WP:IRC. CogHammer.gif Ose talk/3721 02:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Gilneas Page Revision

That "source" says nothing more than "At Blizzcon, Metzen allegedly admitted that they had kind of forgotten about Gilneas and don't have any immediate plans for it." Which is some random guy on the internet allegedly quoting something that may or may not have been said. I don't see how that justifies a citation. Furthermore - it was up for 2 weeks as [citation needed] and was decided on the talk page that (especially considering most resources linked back to this websites Gilneas page) it should be removed if no link could be found.

I guess I'm fine with it being there, but its nothing more than speculation, and I fail to see how that qualifies as a real source.

User:Cougrrr/sig 10:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the People in your Raid reference, I forgot at the very end about it. ^_^ TheAdamant (talk) 04:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Blood elves in Northrend

You seem to have access to Northrend, have you seen any blood elves there? TherasTaneel (talk · contr) 19 august, 2008.

From screenshots, they seem to have a small camp in Crystalsong Forest. They also have a Sunreaver's Sanctuary in Dalaran. If they have anything left over from Kael's attack is unknown.--SWM2448 23:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I wish I had access to northrend... no most of my info is second hand. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 23:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
TherasTaneel, you may want to look at Wowpedia:WotLK beta contacts.--SWM2448 23:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was confused by your character Ophiophagus, it didnt state at the time, that he didn't exist yet. TherasTaneel (talk · contr) 19 august, 2008.

To be created has been next to it for months. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 00:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that, but not at the page I were looking at, it looked different too, the blood elf icon wasnt there yet, and the 'to be created' neither and it were written further down the page too. Anyways, you dont have it yet :) you are just good at getting your infomation you add elsewhere. TherasTaneel (talk · contr) 20 august, 2008.

Concept art template

Not a bad template. However we'll have to be careful how its used. As we know some concept art has become art used to represent "lore" depictions in certain published sources. In those instances then the regular artwork templates should take precedence, and should be used. Like usual we need to avoid stacking templates.Baggins (talk) 07:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I actually tried finding an art template, but couldn't find anything... unless you mean the RPG template... As for the concept art template, yea the wording may be wrong, perhaps instead of "it should not" change it to "it may not". User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 19:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
RPG template has an artwork switch built into it if its used on an art page. Ya, may not may be better choice.Baggins (talk) 03:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Profession Ideas

Please explain on the talk page why you removed those or I'll re-add them, since they seem like perfectly legitimate arguments. User:Omniferous/Sig 21:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

non relevent pages

This is a headsup to let you know to be more careful when making generic pages like woodworker, or lumberjack. PCJ has recently gotten onto User:Rolandius for similar actions (although I also tried to explain to Rolandius where he was wrong), and he felt the need to indirectly turn you in, see User talk: Rolandius.

Only two points I can say is try to avoid using real world definitions to pad the article, and if there isn't any actual warcraft citations, or way to make it more than a sentence stub, make it a {{disambig}}.

This is not a formality I wanted to follow through with, since you are one of the most respected and upstanding editors that we have. However, there are accusations that the administrators are biased and are hypocrites. :p

Feel free to contact me personally.Baggins (talk) 18:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Icon requests again

Any chance you could create some aesir and vanir icons both for male and females? Also as much as you had fun with the dark titan icon, I'd suggest using the vanir icon for any links to sargeras as its more specific.Baggins (talk) 03:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I could... but I believe you're thinking of Varghedin, I didn't make the dark titan icon =P User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, LOL.Baggins (talk) 03:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Hows these IconSmall Vanir Male.gif IconSmall Vanir Female.gif for the vanir and IconSmall Aesir Male.gif for aesir ... probably not as good Var can do, but they can be placeholders for now. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fanfiction

Parqual Fintalas isn't the author of Before the Twisting Nether, even if he did create the page on the wiki for it. And while yes it's fanfiction, a number of similar series have their own pages outside of the user pages. If there is some distinction between these, then point it out. Otherwise I see no reason to relegate Before the Twisting Nether to a user page. Dylan Bissel (talk) 20:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

external link template

fix Wrath of the Lich King NPCs and quests with the proper template that is {{Elinks-NPC/wotlk|}} instead of {{elinks-NPC|}} --N'Nanz (talk) 22:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You don't take just as I don't give but when I make something wrong in an article it's my prerogative to fix it... --N'Nanz (talk) 07:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

WOTLK Mounts

I'm trying to get more of the basic details about the mounts included, but I think it's time someone with a bit more skill at wiki-ing updated the general Mounts page to put in references to the WOTLK stuffs. Maybe you could do that? Also do you know if the community has any desire to create an achievement template? I tried figuring out how to write one and I'm not sure I have the CSS skills to get'her 'dun, as it were.Howbizr (talk) 05:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

It has been brought up before here, I myself wouldn't know exactly how we should go around doing it as all the achievements are not spread out like quest/item/npc pages. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 05:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I gave a rough stab at getting the achievement information out, without actually making a new template on this page: Reins of the Grand Caravan Mammoth. I think it would be nice if there was a template that was at least a yellow box, possibly with a graphic or two. I did upload the little icon to make it a bit prettier. BTW thanks for the NPC title formatting on one of those mount pages - I was trying to find the template and gave up cause I couldn't find it :) Howbizr (talk) 05:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome.. I'll work on further additions... my appologies for the first ones being alittle "incomplete" I was at work and needed some distraction so I decided to give it a try...In my defense I can only offer that I was paying more attention to work than the wiki :) Drkstrm (talk) 08:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Tooltip float right

How did you get the  [Sergeant's Cape] tooltip to properly float right? I could not get that to work. I know it is supposed to automatically do it, but it just wouldn't. Madkaugh (talk) 21:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, caught your answer. I've seen that before, should have remembered. Madkaugh (talk) 21:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Amani Bear ambiguity

Hi - I'm not sure deleting that page helps. Do you think {{User Bear}} should be specific about Amani War Bear? I don't. But unless there's something for those users to point to, Bear will be stuck on that specific. It shouldn't have been allowed to start with ... know what I mean? I shouldn't have had to create User_BearGeneric in the first place.
I don't know the dynamics in this wiki ... I'd appreciate your help in working through this. Deleting User_BearAmaniWar right now doesn't do much good I can see. --Mangalam (talk) 05:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You wrote: "We don't make template pages ambiguity pages, so it would only be a redirect page. Which why bother with." But ... if you disagree, that's fine of course. Here you ask why bother ... but what I wrote is just that: an explanation of why bother. Because folk who are using Amani War Bear are using the UseBear Template. Which isn't right. I'm not sure why repetition is required. Did I not make sense?
I do agree, you shouldn't have had to create User_BearGeneric in the first place... taming a bear is not an accomplishment". Who's talking about accomplishment? I found that some folk had UseBear as a sort of personal profile ... which suits me just fine. I don't see what this has to do with accomplishment or not accomplishment. Being a casual player and using a template to say so has nothing to do with accomplisment. Or not.
"Now I'm not going to tell you that you can't make templates that involve taming pets, but since {{User Bear}} is an accomplishment it will stay where it is." I think you've missed my point: it's miss-named. It should by rights be {{User AmaniWarBear}} or whatever.
"Also since nothing links to User_BearAmaniWar, then yes its fine to delete it." Again you've missed my point. Players who had Amani War Bears were linking to Bear. 9 players are using that template to show Amani War Bear. So just changing it to be correct would leave them showing the wrong stuff. Before you deleted it, I was going to contact them about changing their template so it wasn't needing any redirect.
It doesn't seem you've heard my main point: It's not right that "Bear" points to Amani War Bear. The name is general, but the contents is specific. --Mangalam (talk) 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC) p.s. the image link to your talk page blocks OpenInNewTab.
(In reply to the convo splinter on my user page)
I'm regret that these over-specified cases weren't corrected. Those who use general templates to show their specific ?what? breeds hijacked the whole species. It wasn't right. That it's now more difficult to correct doesn't mean it was right. I created 2 templates, and was going to contact the 9 users who linked through to the "over-specified" one. Where I'm in error there is not at all clear to me. --Mangalam (talk)
"for special or unqiue mounts for accomplishments" ... but you said there shouldn't be templates for accomplishments. Now you say there are. I've no idea what you're going on about.
"Only one Tiger mount in existence, so it didn't need to be specific." But there are lots of different Bears. Amani War Bear is one specific. Why are you avoiding the point?
" NONE of those templates are for tamed pets. You haven't lost me, its you who seems to be lost." I asked some pointed questions ... you just told me what reality was instead of answering. What's Amani War Bear if not tamed? A pet? If I'm wrong about that then great, set me straight. But we've been around this 4 or 5 times now and you haven't made things clear.
There's a template called "Bear" that is actually about one specific bear. I wanted to change that, by making "Bear" generic and "Amani War Bear" for those users who were already using that specific. If I'm wrong, please do point that out. That's what I asked. But you started out by deleting the specific, then saying there should be none at all. (As well as commanding me not to use p.s.) So, sorry, you haven't helped me a bit. --Mangalam (talk) 15:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
You've been so busy with the cheap shots and bla-blah about argument you've just ignored my point entirely. You wrote, "since {{User Bear}} is an accomplishment it will stay where it is" ... it's got nothing to do with accomplishment or not (yet again). It has to do with the fact (for the 4th or 5th time) that the template is title "Bear" but refers to one specific bear, the Amani War bear. So someone who tamed another sort of bear would use that template but get the wrong info. If you just read that for a moment you might answer instead of just replying with all sorts of other stuff. --Mangalam (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC) p.s. Yes, I know there are other templates with the same problem. But you saying that's reason for not fixing this one ... that's just wrong headed.
User boxes like that are for accomplishments. Taming a bear isn't an accomplishment. Leave it at there. g0urra[T҂C] 01:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

What do you think?

I wrote my first major overhaul article, Brewmaster. If you don't mind, I'm asking both you and Madkaugh (talk) to check it out, if you don't mind. I'm still earning my wings so there might be some cleanups, especially with styling that you guys can help with. In particular, I found the "Hints" columns to be difficult. I tried to make the page look fairly reasonable in 1024 resolution, even though I (and I think most gamers) use higher. Howbizr (talk) 21:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!Howbizr (talk) 12:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Justine Demalier

Please let me finish making these new pages instead of jumping in and uploading the image so quickly. I spent time prepping an image just to find out that you jumped in and did one for the page I was making on Justine Demalier. Thanks Raisky (talk) 21:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

In response to your message. Thanks Coobra, anyway its good to see people are on top of things here. Cheers! ^^ Raisky (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


INV_Misc_Beer_02 is not rendering in the [Filled Yellow Brewfest Stein] page. The icon looks fine, on Category:WoW Icons: Inventory Misc Beer it renders fine. The Filled Yellow Brewfest Stein tooltip looks ok, and does nothing tricky. I think I recall the icon rendering in the recent past, during Brewfest; but if you look at past versions, it is not rendering there either. Also note, I did a rewrite of the page, but the icon was already not working prior to the rewrite, in fact prompted my interest. Madkaugh (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Wish I could help... I've been seeing that happen on many item pages... not sure whats causing it. Oh, and to link categories simply place a colon after the brackets. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 20:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Speaking from considerable ignorance, it looks like it might be a caching issue. Thanks for the cats linking tip. Madkaugh (talk) 21:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


Please don't worry about the icons, most if not all are there. Use the Search WoWWiki if you must, but please don't worry about having to upload any. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 02:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I assume you were referring to duplicate icons. I'm actually being pretty careful to search the icon list page. I've also found the uploader will help me find stuff when it wasn't on the list. It's hard though - some of these templates are very sensitive to case. Did you have some specific suggestions for me? I'm not sure what else I can do. -Howbizr (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll try Search WoWWiki, but was there something specifically wrong that you wanted to tell me about? A little passive aggressive are we :) -Howbizr (talk) 19:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


Is the ... on there on purpose? I thought it was something someone left over or something. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Tt represents theres more (but the editor does not currently know it). User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 02:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay so if I see a ... on a page on WoWWiki just leave it? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Or fill in the missing info =P User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh okay. LOL Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 04:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Question about updating

I've a newbie question to ask, and I didn't wish to bother the other Users with posting it at the village pump. Hope you want to answer.
My work now is updating the talents with the new data from the huge 3.0.2 patch.
My question is: When I fill in the new data, do I have to leave a note saying:"In patch 3.0.2 this talent was updated,new changes is: etc, etc."? I really dont hope so, because I'm not excellent at writing english =P Hewbie (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, technically you are supposed to, however, you can just copy and paste the patch info from 3.0.2 since it's preferred to be an exact patch "quote". It would go under the Patch changes header (if not one, simply add it towards the bottom) and use the {{Patched}} template. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 08:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Help with Achievement Template

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  • Fool For Love
  • Complete the Love is in the Air achievements listed below.
  • Criteria:
      • Spell brokenheart.png Heartmender
      • Inv ammo arrow 02.png Shafted!
      • Inv valentineperfumebottle.png Flirt with Disaster
      • Inv misc basket 01.png Lonely?
      • Inv misc cauldron fire.png Nearest and Dearest
      • Inv valentinepinkrocket.png The Rockets Pink Glare
      • Inv valentinesboxofchocolates02.png Nation of Adoration
      • Inv misc dust 04.png Fistfull of Love
      • Inv ammo arrow 02.png Perma-Peddle
      • Inv valentineschocolate02.png Sweet Tooth
      • Inv valentinescandy.png Be Mine
      • Inv rosebouquet01.png My Love is Like a Red, Red Rose
      • Inv crate 03.png I Pitied the Fool
  • Rewards:
    • Title Reward: <The Love Fool>

In case you don't have this page on watch, I hope you can help with my question about Template:Achievement - Bullets break Points. I'll be curious to see how you fix it. I'm not having any luck. -Howbizr (talk) 14:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, Starlightblunder got it. -Howbizr (talk) 14:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
What do you think about this concept for an achievement tooltip? I've got an example of a regular achievement, and an achievement made of other achievements. -Howbizr (talk) 01:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I like them both, having them work like questlong does will be a lot better than how I originally thought of adding them to articles. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 18:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup!

Saw the cleanup you did on the Aspect of the Viper article, and I really appreciate the second look. User:Rilgon/Sig 08:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Chillwind camp.jpg

Why did you replace my .png with this far-lower-quality version? I'll admit the .png was a bit on the large side (per the image guidelines), but was deemed an appropriate size (below 3 MB) by Kirkburn when I asked him in the IRC channel. In the future, please at least inform me beforehand if you wish to replace my work with poorly compressed .jpg files. Thanks. --Imperialles 08:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh. My beef wasn't with the replacing in itself, but that you didn't check with me first. Anyway, issue resolved. I'll take GIMP for a spin and try and upload smaller .pngs in the future. Cheers. --Imperialles 08:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

How would you feel?

About being nominated for administratorship? I've been watching you: You've got several hundred image deletions, and the majority are you tagging them for deletion. Ie, you could use the tools. I think you could do it at this point. What say you? --Sky (t · c · w) 03:17, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your acceptance at RfA. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


Forgetting my signature, I'm so ashamed Emot-awesome.gif ~ Nathanyel (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


Hello you seam like a skilled Wowwiki user, and i was woundering if you could help me? -- TerrorBlades (talk) 13:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


Thx for formatting my thing on bluewalling. I'm new to wowwiki. ;-) Sacrublood (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Permision too make a new Article

Hi i rely hope you get too read this i wanted too ask how can i make a new article and if i have permission too do it. --My life for Aiur (talk) 08:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Your suggestion re: Pet Trainer

Thank you. To be honest, after the way Gourra trashed the images on my user page on the first day that I was here, I've been afraid to actually do any editing for fear that it'd just be removed. I am new, after all. But I will make an attempt. I'm not even sure if I'm allowed to say that out loud. --Avemorielle (talk) 13:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The FleshGiant Icon

Yo, I appreciate you putting it for speedy deletion, It is the first icon I've ever done as that was when I just started making them icons. Anychance you can see if my 'Undead Troll', 'Val'Kyr', and 'Proto-type Flesh Giant' icons are good enough? --ReeZen (talk)


Yeah sorry, I realized my mistake about halfway through the edit and used the correct one for at least one of the sections. I wasn't sure how to delete the incorrect ones, so I figured someone with a bit more experience'd probably fix it anyway. Thanks. Just so I'm certain, our icon file names are going to be the same name as the ones found on Wowhead? --Michaeljustman (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Icons to cleanup

Should all have reasons now. I'm not exactly sure what to say; just gave it my best stab. -Howbizr (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


Heyas. That part where I put "(rabbit)" was just so people don't think Fluffy is a bunny. Just in case you know. Although, I guess there is something about "bunny rabbits" on the bunny page too. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 08:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

WC3 icons

Hello. Thanks for cleaning up some of the icons I uploaded recently.

However, I do have a question/challenge. Can you please give me your reasoning as to why they were put into the "Category:Warcraft III map editor images". I'm challenging you on this (nicely :P) because I think they dont really come under a "map editor" classification. They are ability Icons, just like Wow icons, and to my understanding it would be weird (and not easily findable/searchable) if the Wow icons were put under "Category:Wow User Interface images". To my mind I think the Category that the ones I've uploaded fit under, is a more generic "WC3 Icons".

Looking forward to your reply.Chovynz (talk) 12:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Your reply: Cool. Thanks. Yes I can see how that misunderstanding came about. I didnt really know what to call that first page of the WC3 Icons library. However I think it would be better if the icons that are being uploaded were resubcategorised as Category:Warcraft III Icons under Category: Warcraft III images, rather than being misplaced and harder to find under Category:Warcraft III map editor images, which they are most definitely not map editor images. I'll do that as I go, and start the new category from now on. Hopefully we can delete that confusing category soon. Other relevant WC3 Icon pages: WC3 Icons/Icon List, Visual sortable library. Thanks for your help in clarifying my thinking. :) Chovynz (talk) 00:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Re:Icons - my thanks too: Many thanks for the help on the Harold Winston page too. I got stuck trying to find appropriate images for the vendor items, the "all images" pages did not seem to include them, and then ran out of time. Any tips on finding them, likewise the categories? Also is it acceptable to get "as far as you can" with a page, or is there some etiquette about leaving a note somewhere for clean-ups/checking? Tequima (talk) 12:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


Hay! It's me junst Wondering on my Watchlist page i some times get 178+ or some thing or 6 or something and some times i get - in some thing else just wondering what that is and if i should be worryed...
Like a Page i had under Watch that i never edited seamed to give 80-...
Thank's in Advanse TerrorBlades (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Death knights

So, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the difference between Category:Death Knights and Category:Death knights, and from your response on the village pump, it sounds like you might be the person to ask.

It seems that Category:Death knights refers to the World of Warcraft character class. So it should only contain anything relating to a player character of that class... abilities, quests, items, runeforging etc. While Category:Death Knights refers to DKs in lore, whether in World of Warcraft or any other aspect of the warcraft universe. This could be named DKs or the class in general, but it does NOT refer to the playable WoW class. Am I getting this right?

So, Baron Rivendare (tactics) should be moved to the capitalized Category:Death Knights. And Useful macros for death knights should be moved to Category:Death knights. -- Mordsith - (talk|contr) 19:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Correct. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok great. I'm going to see if I can clean them up a little, and maybe reword the category descriptions to be more specific. Feel free to correct me if I do something wrong. -- Mordsith - (talk|contr) 21:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you know of a way to move the info from Death knight races to Death knights without copy/paste/deleting? Seems like the races article could just be incorporated in the main article, but there are a lot of comments on the talk page. -- Mordsith - (talk|contr) 22:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
It could be merged, but since all other classes have that type of page, its just best to keep it where it is. Otherwise no, you would have to copy/paste. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 22:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I think I'm done messing with those two categories. ;) Thanks for your help. -- Mordsith - (talk|contr) 22:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Anytime. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 23:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for Awsering my Question! Sorry for my bad spelling! :D TerrorBlades (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

MM build

link order

"Official links always come before others" - Alrighty then. There weren't any there before so, hard to judge what goes where. Zurgat (talk) 08:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

no e-links other than the official ones. Zurgat (talk) 08:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: itembox - lootbox

First off I'd like to thank you for tiding up a handful of my articles, I haven't quite gotten use to the standards of the wikipages. On to the point now though, if the site would like to quit using lootboxes and instead use itemboxes would you like if I went through and changed all the loot boxes to item boxes or do you think that it would just be a tedious waste of time? Zurtilik (talk) 02:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Scales and Leather?

I'd like to thank you for not only fixing up a few of the things I've done but also for aiding me in the many holes of end-game leatherworking. However, it seems like you're just splitting hairs when differentiating between scales and leather, they are both gathered and used in the same way, it seems that at most scales should only be a sub-genre of leather not a whole free-standing item group. Zurtilik (talk) 23:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Huge navigation templates are usually less desired than a few smaller ones, especially for the ones that might see many edits in the future. It's no different than splitting {{Arrows}}, {{Bullets}}, {{Ammo pouch}}, and {{Quiver}}... all of them are used by hunters to use with ranged weapons. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 23:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah, that does make sense. That Leather tab I had going before you split it did get to be a tad large :) Zurtilik (talk) 23:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

My logos

What do you think about the logos I've created for various users' expansion ideas? --User:ShandrisForever 02:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

They're very nicely done. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the info. Odd that for the longest time we were banning such adverts as vandalism to pages and now it is OK? Paly 1 (talk) 05:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Things change... Gil did leave a reason that you should have read before reverting (see Wowpedia:Working with Wikia for details). User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 05:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

It is good he left a reason on the above link. If I had known such a page even existed then I would have never reverted the pages. Information like that should be posted more noticably. :) Paly 1 (talk) 06:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Tirisfal Grove DNP

Hey Coobra, I read the page on DNP content and failed to see how my content upload was irrelevant. I'm not pissed off, as i have never edited a wiki before, just wondering if you could shed some light on why the image was removed. cheers, Woz (talk · contr)

WP:DNP#Exploits, That includes images... also see Wowpedia:Image guidelines on naming images. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 07:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Blue Dragonhawk Mount / Red Dragonhawk Mount

What's wrong with the tooltips? I got them from [1], [2].--Iggey (talk) 00:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC) has an interesting way of doing it... they put the spell and item together, however, the item is what they are putting as the flavor text and spell as what they are putting the use. I was just waiting for to have the item to use as a reference. Wowhead shows how the item looks in-game, and thats how we strive to have items look as well... we don't combine tooltips. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 08:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

You removed an addition I made...

Just wondering why you removed an addition that I had made to Bonegrip's Note. I had spent over 45min trying to find the Enchanted Sea Kelp and only found it on that rare spawn. So, just wondering why you would remove that comment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SpecMech (talk · contr).

First of all, sign your comments. Second.. the kelp does not just come off a rare spawn, that would be dumb for blizzard to do, since rare spawns usually have a long respawn timer. The note already says where to get the kelp if one were to read the note, which means your side note was redundant information... and on the wrong page anyway... you'd put that on the sea kelp's page if anywhere. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 06:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


Just a friendly reminder. Remember what Fandyllic said about throwing revertions around so easily. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 08:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

And where did Fandyllic say this? User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 08:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I thought I saw it on WoWWiki talk:Village pump‎ or Warcraft talk:Village pump‎. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 08:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, unless you can find it (cause I took the time to look, didn't see anything) its not much of a reminder... And 1 revert isn't exactly throwing them around. However, I do remember seeing something said about moving articles too much... so... friendly reminder, careful on the moves. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 09:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, touché. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 11:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
... Look, I've been trying to avoid saying anything negative about/towards you about your edits/additions... believe it or not I've been trying to support and help you, please don't get on my bad side. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 01:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to. I was just saying touché. The french word in fencing. As in, your right, I was reminding you about revertions when I was sort of doing the same thing with moving pages. So I shouldn't have "reminded" you in the first place. At least you mentioned why you reverted my edits. Some people on here revert my edits with no comment in the edit summary so I have no idea why they changed my edit. I could actually read your edit summary and see what your comment was which is cool. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, ok then, thought you were saying touche as in "sensitive"... cause some spell it with an e instead of y... But I will note that if fandy had a problem with reverts its cause the Revert or rollback button doesn't allow for comments, its just a quick revert button... whereas the Undo button does allow for comments.
Most tend to use the rollback one cause its just one click, where undo requires two. I myself am guilty of it... laziness... User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
That is why I put that little ´symbol on the letter e to try to not make it sound like it was a misspelled "touchy". Ah, I didn't know about the Undo and Revert button difference. Cool. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 04:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

The Bravery

Hi, do you have a source for Blizzard using the band 'The Bravery' to name the ship in Stormwind Harbor? Seems a little obscure... paulbrock (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


If you link Malygos and Malygos and they're not the same thing, but yet you put them on the same template its misleading. I appreciate that you're a long time editor, but you're taking ownership over wiki when its clear that making a distinction will only help clarify the situation rather than make it worse. Im a long time editor on Wikipedia and we run into these situations all the time. Rather than revert my changes, offer a solution or I'll take this to arbitration with an administrator. Mkdwtalk 08:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Being an editor on Wikipedia and an editor on WoWWiki are two different things, and this is how its done here. If you do actually edit on wikipedia, you'd know to discuss the situation before continuing to change it to the way you think it should be done. I have in no way claimed ownership here, I'm simply reverting what I see to be a vandalism . And yes Template:Eye of Eternity does show the difference LORE go to malygos's lore page and the tactic page goes to the relevant info needed for both those templates, thats how its done here... relevance. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 08:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Discussions work both ways. Everything does not need to be discussed in order for it to be added. Mkdwtalk 08:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes it does... good thing I left comments in the edit summary. I will be changing it back to how its done here at WoWWiki, change it again and you will be placed on the vandal list. EDIT: Looks like I don't have to Kaydeethree (an admin) already changed it back. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 08:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

My AfD

Sorry, I didn't realize that I could do speedydelete until after i created them. Apologies. // ProjektTHOR (talk) 01:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


I noticed that you marked a few images for speedy deletion per WP:DNP as datamined. If I may call your attention to the wording in the policy you attempt to apply:

Datamined images of live or PTR content are permissible, but "true" in-game screenshots preferred and will always be given preference over datamined content.

So one could argue that since the content is part of Ulduar, and Ulduar is in 3.1 and 3.1 is on the PTR, the data-mined content is permissible per DNP. -- foxlit (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

But from what I hear, Ulduar hasn't been officially opened yet either. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 22:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I believe the intent of that passage is to refer to content or models that can be accessed by someone loading the official PTR and traveling to the subject of the image through normal in-game means being permissible. Is this debate going to happen again? If people bicker long enough about the policy, people in violation of the policy will just hold out (and have debated files kept on WoWWiki) until a consensus is reached, and by that time the patch will be completely live and undeniably allowed, causing violators to win and the debate to be pointless. I think Ulduar is on the PTRs now BTW.[3]--SWM2448 22:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Patch 3.1.0 (undocumented additions) do not meet the criteria for the Undocumented changes page per Pcj

So go ahead and remove the page because it is wrong as well -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk )

I already said nvm. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I was typing this when posted your Nvm msg so I did not get it untill I finished this edit -- you need to remove the page - Pcj says the information needs to go in a different place -- so Patch 3.1.0 (undocumented additions) needs to be removed -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 04:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Very well. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Flower shop

Do you really think it needs to be a disambiguation page since WoW only mentions it once? The original redirect was probably the most efficient since there are not two flower shops (at least that I know of) and in the quest A [21] Seasoned Wolf Kabobs, it calls it a flower shop. Mkdwtalk 04:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Flower shop is a general term, to my knowledge there has been two in the game, not including the flower cart in dalaran. I knew there was more than one and thats why I stubbed it. But since I'm working on shops currently I went and updated it. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:New items/abilities

Okee! Sorry. I saw it on some other pages, so I thought maybe you needed both. -Howbizr (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Damaged Necklace

While I can appreciate the fact that two items with the same name exist, your "That's how it's done, Don't do what you did again," bit is quite condescending and unappreciated - especially for what was obviously a good-faith edit that was easily reverted. Please be more cognizant of how your words can be interpreted. Thank you. ++Arx Fortis (talk) 00:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Furace of Hate

Is that a typo? Should that be Furnace? Furace of Hate -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 01:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for catching it, it was indeed a typo. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


Yes Airos is mine also alone with Desthrael and Deathcorpse. Do i need to make a user name for each of these characters? or is there a way to do like thaqweena/Airos for separate characters that I have? would that work?

Aquatic Riding Ray

There is no real proof that the mount exists on the PTR. Some databases like Wowhead found a spell, but according to the comments, it is not available anymore. Should we keep the article? It is based on datamined data and speculation. I don't know how WoWWiki proceeds with such articles.--Iggey (talk) 23:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't have been created in the first place... marking for deletion. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 00:06, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Another problem: What about Tier 8 including the pictures? I'm not sure about them, because I suppose the items are already available and can be seen. On the other hand, the images are datamined.--Iggey (talk) 22:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Only the images should be deleted, if anything... but they can probably stay as the gear is being dropped from the boss in the PTR currently, right? User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 00:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


Hmm, try to keep on eye on him if you can, please? He seems to create alot of random monster pages with no citations. He also been adding rather poor edits to other pages... necromancer as a race on the undead page for example. I still think troll zombie will probably need to be deleted as well, despite fandyllic trying to populate it. I really don't think there is any evidence that that terminology is official.Baggins (talk) 03:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

k. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
GG, he's changing various humans to cultist... I'd ban him but eh other admins would just use him to their advantage and accuse me of causing problems again... a scapecoat to cover their pathetic attempts at administration...Baggins (talk) 01:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Re: your edit to the Sironas article, 18 March 2009, what "damage from her aura"? I went back (used a level 37 human rogue) and walked through her, stood inside her, walked through her stealthed (which would break if there was damage); I took no damage at all. (I took a screen shot standing collocated with her.) There is no visible graphic indication that she has any damaging aura mechanic. Might you be remembering something that has been removed from the game? Are you referring to lore?

The rest of the article has no mention of a damaging aura; if there is such an aura, please write it up for the article. Madkaugh (talk) 06:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

You put that info there, see [4], I merely reworded it so it doesn't sound like the same thing being repeated several times. If its wrong, then why did you place it there. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 06:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, we had a misunderstanding; I was referring to the highlighting that indicates she's hostile. I like the way it's worded now. Madkaugh (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Then that was my bad... When I read "hostile aura" I think of something like what Baron Rivendare, Vaelastrasz the Corrupt, and Sapphiron has. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 20:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Tier 8 page needing cleanup ?

Other than those images that were pre-existing - I went and copied the Tier 7 page information and just added it to the pre existing Tier 8 - so there should not be any clean up other than the images - otherwise you are saying Tier 7 page needs cleen up as well -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 21:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm just saying... when its all over and everything has gone live, this page much like all major pages involving the patch will most likely need some major cleanup, thats why I didn't place a cleanup tag on it yet. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Image AFD

Okay, I'll fix the compression on the images, but I was under the impression PNG was okay? // ProjektTHOR (talk) 22:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Proper noun lesson

A proper noun is a noun that is the name of a specific individual, place, or object. Death Knight is a proper noun. Bobalobabingbong (talk) 09:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok... well, theres a lot of Mister Death Knights out there... did you even just read what you typed. "specific individual, place, or object".. Death knight is a class, a description, a general term. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 09:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
And I was just quoting the page you linked. WP:MOS#Capitalization:
Classes should only be capitalized when used as a proper noun, i.e. as someone's name. ("Warlock, go be evil" versus "That warlock is quite evil.") Races such as orc, human, troll or night elf should not be capitalized except when used as a proper noun or at the beginning of a sentence. Factions such as Forsaken, Alliance, Horde, or Argent Dawn should always be capitalized.

--User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 09:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Of course I read what I typed; and you don't need to quote the page I linked, I read that too. I was thinking more along the lines of a persons title. But I guess that a Death Knight isn't necessarily a title. I have since discovered that a class is a common noun though. Bobalobabingbong (talk) 09:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Dragon trivia

Maybe you could think of something I haven't. I was adding some trivia to the different color dragon articles (the major flights, as I don't think the others have any?) about one word that is usually associated with them, and I could not think of anything for the Bronze dragons. I put "emerald" for the Greens, "ruby" for the Reds, "obsidian" for the Blacks, "azure" for the blues, and then nothing for the Bronzes. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Only copper comes to mind, but no one associates that with the bronze dragons.User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh well, I guess Bronze dragons don't have a word associated with them like the other major dragons. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 01:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Mystery solved

Okay I just find out what is happening. I have been using "Visual View", not "Code View", so to me it looked like the External links section was the end of the whole article. I thought the categories were not part of the article since they floated at the bottom when your in editing mode. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 13:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Yea... visual view is probably meant for light editors... I found it to slow me down, more than help. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I think Visual View is the default method or something so I never thought of trying out Code View. It sounded like it had something to do with coding, but I guess it is just another way of editing. Although to me by using Code View, the category area looks a bit disconnected from the main article still, but not as much as the floating Visual View... Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 01:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Generaly Visual vew is the easier way of editing (highlight text and click on Button for bold type ) and it is done - Code view you see the exact coding to make it bold - you would see [b]txt[/b] for bbc or ''' txt ''' for here -- it is a more precision (exacting) form of editing (more expert level) compared to Visual view - Normaly that is how they work anyhow -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 01:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok I have tried both now. In both methods, it won't recognize spaces between the External links and the Categories. It acts like the categories are not in the article. Can I use the "break" symbol to force a space? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Dolomite Giant

Did the "break" symbol not work either? This thing will not recognize spaces between External links and categories for some reason in either "View" method. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not that, its that you shouldn't be putting a <br /> between them, a simple blank line will do. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 02:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I can't figure out what else I can put though. Now I see why you thought I was removing spaces so much lately. I didn't notice that all my edits were removing the spaces at the end of the articles. It wasn't really me. No matter where in the article I edit, if I hit "preview" or I guess "save", the spaces between the Categories and External links, or whatever is in the place of External links like {{DEFAULTSORT}}, is removed automagically. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Thats weird... I'd post something in the village pump to see if anyone knows why that is occurring. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay well just in case you see me edit something and suddenly a space is missing between categories and whatever is at the end of the article you will know it is not me really doing it. That is why I was wondering if I could put a "< br >" to force a space. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 03:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


Is a good source for seeing how many kinds of a certain animal there are? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Petopia is the best hunter pet site around. It is the ultimate source all thing beast... or at least any beast that is tamable. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Deep Crawler

Deep Crawler isn't a bone spider? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a notable one. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 05:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Shrink it down

Yea, i know, but i dont know how to only have it be one line in the Forums, i have it as {{SUBST:Signatures/Corhen}} Anyhelp??

Actually i was refering to the Length of the Code.... it was like 3 lines long. THanks for the link to the Sigs page, i was looking for that but was unable to find it.
i had it on that page, cause the preferences are shared inbetween wikis, and as you moved it on this wiki, i now need to go to the Supcom wiki, the RS wiki, the Burnout Wiki, and "bend" the rules there to allow them to work......User:Corhen/Sig 06:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Question about Paris Hilton

Noticed that you removed the category "Lower City". She is not a member of the faction, but is still located in the Lower City. The description on the category page says either: "Articles concerning Lower City area and faction of Shattrath City." I'm not following your rationale. Was this an error? Is the description wrong? Should the Lower City category be split into subcategories, one for the location and one for the faction? Madkaugh (talk) 06:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The Lower City category should only contain articles involving that faction. Guess I never got around to cleaning up the category's description. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 06:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

(faction) quests

Are we putting together categories for "quests that yield faction X"? I noticed you'd added Kirin Tor quests to several pages... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I think so... since there's a quests by faction category. I'm guessing for the same reason the categories are being split into subs by NPC, rewards, and quests... I'm just continuing what appears to have been forgotten about, least quest wise. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


Are you prepared? --k_d3 00:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I has my flask, and I'm ready... oh wait, need a food buff *munch munch* Ok, I'm ready. =)User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Galen's Corpse

Gotta ask... Why is Category:Quest enders not appropriate for Galaen's Corpse? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

gah... wrong "oo" critter... was doing my watchlist scan, and your edits were after some of Gourra's... sorry. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a bit puzzled, though, at your removing the brief description of the difference between augments and imbues. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The description doesn't really belong on the category, but rather on the enhancer page itself... if it hasn't already. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I feel (and felt) that the description belonged on the category because... it was not self evident what the difference was to a user already on the category page. Same reason there are {{main}} links. I'm a big fan of not forcing users to mouse around to find out what's going on. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Springing the Trap

N [71] Springing the Trap ... the text I have a screenshot of (from 12-02-08) shows the word "flare", which you substituted "Spark" for. Has the quest been changed since December? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It changed with patch 3.0.8 (1/20/09), see  [Raelorasz' Flare]. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

(Rather than create yet ANOTHER topic on your page...) Thank you for your handling of [Blood of Loguhn]. It is sometimes refreshing to have one of my pages edited instead of reverted. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

In re Quest format

Re Help Talk:Quest articles - As one of the chief people who promoted the "gains" section on quest articles, I believe it most reasonable for you to vote "no" to moving "rewards" below "completion". Perhaps your original rationale for the gains section (over a combined gains/rewards section) would be a useful addition to the discussion; a compelling reason for the gains section makes "gains next to rewards" awkward, leading to "where is the next best place to put it".

I don't anticipate that my view will prevail on that vote, but I do hope to see actual discussion above the level of "because I changed the boilerplate to look that way". Gourra and I are both guilty of that conceit.

So please feel free to vote me down. And if you have time, please do say why. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Screenshot categories

As one of two people who were categorizing screenshots (and left fingerprints on the category...)

Should Category:Object screenshots and Category:Item screenshots not be in Category:World of Warcraft screenshots instead of Category:Screenshots? If not, would you please add to the description for WoW SS your reasons? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

It should, but since Category:World of Warcraft screenshots was created a good 4months after the other two (and mostly cause I didn't see it get created) they were never moved. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Is 'mob screenshots' a catchall for image categories that don't fit elsewhere, then, not an "also"? (Thinking for Image:Tu'u'gwar.jpg.) I find numerous other Crab, Abomination, etc pictures in Mob screenshots. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Mob screenshots is an image category for mobs, and only mobs. Theres many other categories for everything in the game, but for something that doesn't fit anywhere else use {{C-blizz}}. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Then... what is a mob? Tu'u'gwar sure seemed to be a mob to me. I did not think that the fact you spawned him for the quest made a difference. ps: thought I'd look up "cauldron lord" for another example of a quest-spawned critter (if memory serves), found Image:Skeleton Mage.jpg. And discovered that the number of uncategorized images (files) is much larger than I suspected. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
You've lost me... Tu'u'gwar is a mob and all the categories on him and his image are mob categories... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
For some reason, I had thought you'd removed the 'mob screenshots' category from him. My bad.
Got an entirely different question for ya, though. I contend that Image:INV_Enchant_DustVision.png belongs in Category:WoW_Icons:_Inventory_Misc_Dust as well as Category:WoW_Icons:_Inventory_Enchant. (Several other candidates also suggest themselves among engineering and enchanting items.) Would you object to such an addition? If you approve, would you do it, or want me to? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Generally the they should only go into the category that fits their name and I believe it would get too redundant to mix and match their categories based on what they are mostly used for... since blizzard tends to reuse the icons for several different things from enchanting items to mounts to talents. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
As far as I know, the names we use are artifacts of the authors, or perhaps of Thottbot's authors, as I note similar names there. Are the names from some authoritative source? Does having images (icons) in multiple categories affect certain autogenerated pages? Why IS 'redundant categories' a concern? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
The icon images names are taken directly from the game files. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
And the ill effects of redundant categories? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


In some ways, you are right about Snowstorm. However, do we also classify the various taxis as mounts as well? That is perhaps a closer category that snowstorm would fall in. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

In a similar way, it is difficult to label it as an NPC, as well. You never find it to mouse over it, for instance... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Anything you ride is considered a mount, least for the screenshot categories, and since its not an item and we dont' have a mount stub... npc is the closest one that works. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Flying Machines

Yeah, I know, making work for you... But I think there are enough different flying machines, both mounts (and vehicles), objects, and decorations, that a category for them could be made to work. ... Or, you could just remove it. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Category already exists, see Category:Flying machines. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Doh! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

bad licensing

Thanks for corrections, I obviously selected a wrong one. Anyway, I would like to license the whole Warcraft Relations Map project under Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 license when I release the source codes.

Could anybody, please:

  • fix the template (already done)
  • advise me where to release the source codes?

Thank you. --crysman 22:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, Kd3 can probably help you out more than with the source codes than I could. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Mining - Tips

The main reason for my edit was to note that Druids CANT mine in flight form. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Greystoker (talk · contr).

Not sure how stating everything that the gnomish army knife can do does that... especially since it says that in the next tip, but ok. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Mustard Dogs

Note that the empty picnic basket is *not* an objective of the quest, it is merely provided for it. It is with that in mind that I do not feel that putting it under 'objectives' is correct. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


I saw the fancy letters were snuck into Category:April Fools pages. Do you think they would be appropriate (in small amounts - not excessively - ever) for lore pages, such as dragon? -Howbizr (talk) 20:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't... least until its made where it only sits on one line (instead of two) and doesn't cause bad line breaks. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Let's not forget Gourra's vote.[5] I do not really have an opinion. If it gets added it gets added, if it doesn't is doesn't.--SWM2448 22:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Moved to the template's talk page, so it won't have to be searched for again. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh I remembered the comment. But no one else commented, which is why I asked in psuedo-private. I know better than to start an edit war, but I was a bit curious if anyone else liked them, or if people are just that afraid of the wrath of Gourra. -Howbizr (talk) 22:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry if I offended. I just wanted to connect the discussions.--SWM2448 00:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, watch out for Wrath of the...Gourra King? Or something. I just added the "fancy letter" to the April Fools articles because that's how they look like on the official site. Same for the mouseover texts on the mount page and the specified width. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Template history

Thanks so much for reviving these for me. With Ulduar about to come out, the clock is tick-tick-ticking on  Glory of the Raider so I've been busy. I really hope to have more time for wiki-ing after it gets released! -Howbizr (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If you don't mind... can you look up these for me as well? Just throw them on my user page like before, if you don't mind.
I think this is the list (altho I'm having difficulty finding a list of deleted templates, or looking in kd3's contrib history, so there could be more): -Howbizr (talk) 22:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Changes to page (List of Mounts)

Thanks for the top bit...that is what I wanted. I had seen in before, but couldn't find the code..

Class in infobox

The purpose of the infobox is simply to list references that can be cited to particular sources. Using the ref tag would be preferred in the future over the use of simply (RPG) or (multiple). I noticed that Rolandius has recently been adding new classes marked with (?) and marking others as (deprecated) based on RPG game mechanic rules. It is not the purpose of the infobox to get into that kind of detail since it is a lore based infobox rather than game mechanics. References to game rules should be limited only to their related article for example "sorcerer" is a class in the Warcraft RPG, but not in the World of Warcraft RPG. That is noted in the article. There is no reason to repeat the info in every single article that may make reference to sorcerers. Completely speculatory (?) should be left out of infobox entirely. As noted earlier in this post, we should start using ref /ref to give specific citations rather than generic (RPG) marking.

If you could would you be willing to go over Rolandius edits to fix his mistake, and at least change things back to the generic (RPG) tag until specific citations can be made.

In addition I suggest that the RPG class template used on class pages should be split into sections specifically for the Warcraft RPG and specifically for the World of Warcraft RPG in order to better show the difference between the two. Perhaps even split into two seperate templates.Baggins (talk) 21:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

GG, the clean up process is going to be worse than I thought... Its scattered throughout races and characters...Baggins (talk) 00:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
It gets worse, he went even so far to completely replace cited information from specific source with non-specific or citeable information based on second game's rules... For example [[6]. This goes beyond the concept of "bold" and is just plain misleading.Baggins (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't be sure but it seems he may have done this to 30 or more pages... This is going to be very difficult to track down and fix... I'm pretty sure this is goes way beyond simply adding new articles, appears to have been a decision made without at looking the consequences, its impact to wowwiki as a whole, and without permission. If someone did give him permission, they didn't keep track of him very well...Baggins (talk) 01:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Point of note, I didn't add the classes with a "(?)" after them, I only added the "(?)" part because I too was wondering if they were classes. Secondly, I didn't remove anything from the infoboxes, I just added "(deprecated)" which does not mean "do not ever use or else". Some of the articles that lacked infoboxes I mentioned the changes because the articles had zero mentions as if it never happened. Thirdly, I wouldn't be talking about "the clean up process is going to be worse than I thought" as I had to "clean up" a lot of your misleading information from many articles as there is much more out there. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game

Why can't I italicize a title of a book? I thought that was something you did? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Because Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game refers to the series of books (see Wikipedia). It's not a single book (according to Wikipedia, at least). --g0urra[T҂C] 07:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I was saying "World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game" is a title. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Book covers

Just thought I'd let you know that there's already an existing category for images of book covers. I'll leave it up to you to decide which category to keep, though. --g0urra[T҂C] 08:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Crap... didn't see that one... lol. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 08:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Book template

You da man! Thanks for that tip. And now, to see if I remember it... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Quest help

I didn't think that the quest Amped for Revolt! existed, so I marked the page for potential deletion. Now that it has been confirmed to exist, could someone please tell me how to get that quest? I really want to do it because it looks really fun. Psduckie (talk) 21:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

You have to complete H [80] Green Technology first, and before that it's H [80] Volatility. See here for a diagram. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Amped for Revolt! isn't in the diagram at all, and I completed H [80] Green Technology. The quest progression went directly to the dailies that are supposed to come after Amped for Revolt! Psduckie (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, point is the page has info whether it gets a {{removedfromgame}} template or not, it won't be deleted. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. I didn't realize that the {{removedfromgame}} template applied to stubs. Psduckie (talk) 00:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of 3.1.1 pages

Why did you delete that pages!? The patch will be released on April 21 (see mmo-champion). Mars85 (talk)

I don't care about mmo-champion, I consider them nothing but dataminers. If this patch goes live, then feel free to make the page. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 08:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Becoming an User

Hey, when you first come on a wiki, I mean like you make an account. You can't edit anything yet. How do you become an User then? I think I gotten an e-mail asking for confirming, but I can't find the option on another wiki. Metus (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Thought I'd ask something extra, as I had been trying to figure it out for a while. Under the Coins you get 'flavor'-text. I was trying to find a template that would let me get the same text, but without the item-... err... -thingy... It is different colored and added automatically the "'s, but I couldn't find such a template, so tried to make one myself, but it was not colored and added the flying dot in front of it (I'm not English, so sorry for my sucky English, I don't know the words for the item-window and the flying dot @_@;;). If you could help me, thank you so much! Metus (talk) 17:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. Still I don't know how to remove the dot.. - The User-thing is that I can't find in my Preference on another wiki to send an e-mail. Since I can't even leave messages or ask anything there, I tried asking here instead. :S In the hopes you would know how to get an e-mail for confirmation. Perhaps give me a link for this place, which I then just remove the and change it to *shrugs* Oh well, I'll look further. Metus (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Argent Tournament Grounds

Is there a template for the Argent Tournament Grounds' own subzones? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe so, should be merged into the Icecrown subzone template. Since it's part of icecrown. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Good place to get vehicle pointer screenshot?

I tried Wintergrasp, but since Horde controlled it and I don't know much about how it works, I couldn't find a siege vehicle to get a screenshot. I think one of my alts can get around to doing the mammoth riding quest in Borean Tundra, but if you know of any good place to get the screenshot which doesn't require me to spend 20,000g, I would appreciate the info. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:36 AM PST 28 Apr 2009

You could enter Ulduar and start the event, then you could get a screenshot of the icon from the salvaged vehicles there without interruption. Or you could go to the agrent tourney, the mounts there use the same icon. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Random image

This is now possible. See Special:Random/File (put the namespace after the / to do any namespace). --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 03:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Smiley.gif Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

My ears

I didn't touch the comments. All I did was remove the category. That is how it looks on my screen when I edit

!-- Mob for Alliance -->

!-- NPC for Horde -->

and then the categories are all below it without me touching them, using both "code view" and "visual view" and both "save page" and "preview". Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh... god I hate that visual look... ok, thanks for telling me, sorry I yelled. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It took me awhile to understand what you were saying about "look at the comments", but now I see what you mean. Using "History", it does show it being changed but I didn't touch them, and like I said above, those comments are above the categories and not next to them on my screen. I had no idea what they referred to. I don't know what is going on, but the only sign that it changed is when I look at "History", but that is after the edit has been done, and so I don't know how I would correct it the next time it happens since on my screen the comments are seperate from the categories. I tried both "code view" and "visual view" unless it is my browser or something I don't know about. Both "views" on my computer show the categories seperate from the rest of the page sort of. In one type of view, you just hit the little "x" to remove a category. In the other view, you just remove that category manually. On both views though the comments are up in the article. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I tried some different methods and I think I got it to look like other people would see it. I had to cut and paste the comments from the article into each category box manually. So pretty much on my computer, I have to make it "first set of brackets" Category:Karazhan mobs and then the comment before the "next set of brackets". If it is still wrong then just revert it. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


I'll let you know if I need some help,but I don't think I'll be making many editions,since I actually don't play WoW,not to mention my suckish skills at Wiki editing.Eduardomsc (Talk) 04:35 ,4 May 2009(UTC)


Are you reviewing the things being put on the list? It was added that Gourra deleted an NPC page I made like it is a bad thing. You told me it was okay to make those pages over here User:Rolandius/Mentor#Void Hound. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 06:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

A specific mob, thats exists in the game, yes... I figured that would be fine, so long as you make them well. But creating articles for npcs that don't exist, but existed in beta... which was basically one line and a stub... maybe I shouldn't have said anything and let you continue to make specific mob/npc pages on your userspace and ask for a move. I just figured, since they weren't about a large grp of things, just one npc/mob, that it would be a waste of time to create, have moved, cleaned up... You're not even using the npcbox template to help your cause. =/ Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I was never told that mobs in Beta are not allowed on WoWWiki. I was reading the titans page and saw a red link, which Baggins made by the way, called Strand of the Ancients Battlemaster. All I did was make it into an article so it would not be a red link any longer and it gets used against me? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
When I made the redlink I thought the mob existed... But since you did point out that it was a beta only thing... well I decided it was not very noteworty and removed the link from titans.Baggins (talk) 07:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
But before you did that, I was reading the titans page and saw that red link and made the article for it thinking it was a good thing I was doing. Gourra erased it and then you wrote that on the review page about what I did, a red link you created. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

At this point I'll apologize on the issue of you following a red link (although it technically proper procedure to link to mob articles). But you should in the future if you create a npc page, try to add the npcbox to it as well, and also give better citations as to the fact that it was "removed from game" or was "From the beta" with citations. You didn't even add any citations. gourra is more understanding if you take the time to add both citions and an npc box , he doesn't like mob stubs from what I can tell. I believe even coobra warned you above that you should have followed the procedure of using used the NPC boox, and that s your fualt only.Baggins (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

He erased the page pretty fast. I didn't have time to update it more quickly as I was going back and forth with other "matters" on WoWWiki as things tend to take hours it seems to resolve every time I make an edit. Like I said on the Mentor talk page, contrary to what you said/think on the talk page, this isn't my idea of fun. I am not going to make mob/npc pages or even edit on the main space any longer. I am sticking to my subpages where I don't have to argue with users for hours just because I made a legit article — which I was also told I was allowed to do. See you later, I am going home. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

"to what you said/think on the talk page, this isn't my idea of fun."

Thanks for reading between the lines again, and missing the mark.... Oh I can assure you no one especially you is having fun. This is not that kind of "game"... This is serious.Baggins (talk) 08:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Gotta ask

Image:Portable Seismograph.jpg Did you go out and fetch that screenshot first hand, scavenge it from some other site, or were you sitting on it all this time? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wowhead Tongueout.gif. I didn't even know of its existence... I play horde. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I'd seen some pics on wowhead attributed to Gourra, so ... *shrug*, what one does, others can too. It could have been yours... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Fanfic Images

Hey there. :) I noticed today that you've marked the images I've uploaded under the fan fiction section as subject for possible deletion. Just wanted to let you know you can remove them already if you wish, 'cause I'll be resizing them and will soon upload the new ones which I'll use for some fanfic pages. Just a bit new to all this and there's so much in the guidelines that I tend to forget some things. Thanks for the warning though. Lionbird (talk) 12:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


Are you able to tell me why the following sig (User:A'noob/sig) displays the link's url and not only the editnumber linking to the Edicount page ?
Thanks in advance!
PS: How to add the timestamp too?
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz)
Thanks Coobra! That's working now!
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 10:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

User Pages

Hey how do you add those badge things on your user page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hughie4 (talk · contr).

U kno the things that saay like achiements and stuff like 'this user is a member of the alliance' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hughie4 (talk · contr).

Steaming Weasels

They're not, which is why I made a redirect, so anyone who misspelled Steamwheedle as steamwaddle would be redirected. Dogs aren't referred to as dgos but dgo would be a great redirect page for dog. Unless one hates redirects, which seems to be the case. Not wanting to stomp toes, I just like redirects! Just trying to help/build the community and/or dyslexic people! Honest! :] -Tubeyes (talk) 03:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Quest tracker at 3.1.2 undocumented changes


I restored the change at the quest tracker again, but changed it form "wider" to "better wordwrap". Before the patch I often couldn't see, how much items I had found (maybe because it was hidden beyound the quest item), since the patch it is all fine again.

best regards Thomas

I've personally had no problems with it before or after the patch. The problem was likely from some other AddOn. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
It looks exactly the same to me as well... Some quest objectives are longer than others, so yea, you can see how many of certain objectives you have and need while at the same time others you can only see how many you have, but not how many you need. Even a few quest objectives you can't see either... which is why I prefer addons that track instead. Same reason I use outfitter still, over the new equipment manager, it's all about quality. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Shard of Gavrok

Do you have some tool that reports discrepencies? Or are you clicking on every link of new pages? Some other method of discovering these flaws? Not that I mind the correction, necessarily. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I tend to click on new articles when I see them while looking at the recent changes, but sometimes I do get bored and go through the new page logs just to make sure things are either finished or stubbed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Server:The Forgotten Coast US

Thanks, a transfer guild is trying to claim server firsts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bearface (talk · contr).

Help :)

Ive got no idea where to stick this so ill stick it here, I'm new-ish to WoW, and any tips would be great. Please dump any tips or the like on ma page, i would appreciate it greatly :) Sorry forgot to sign Lord loss210 (talk) 18:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the edit

I would like to know why you restored the page to the "requested" version after it was returned to the original format it was before Ulduar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vabu.exodar (talk · contr).

Look at the history of the page, all I did was put it on protection to discontinue the edit wars, don't bring any further discussions about this here, use the page I pointed out to you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Exodar Progression

Thanks for locking the edits to our server page, having to make revisions back to what the server community wanted repeatedly was ingratiating. --Rainman5419 (talk) 05:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for looking over the Broxel Goldgrasp page as I was in the process of editing it. This was my first new page and new picture upload. As such, am curious as to why you deleted my picture and substituted yours. --Markzero (talk) 07:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, figured out that I left the nameplate in the picture. Never mind. --Markzero (talk) 08:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)