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Herb Skinning vs Mob herbalism

I really think we need a more generic name for this mechanism. It's precisely the same mechanism as skinning, and includes Mob mining, what engineers do to mechanical mobs. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:21, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I would really favor the term "Salvaging" for the lot. "Mob (fill in the blank)" doesn't do it for me, because "mob skinning" (for skinning) makes no sense. Have any suggestions of your own? ... and the various "mob (skill)" pages should refer to each other in a See Also section. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:24, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
I agree it would be nice to have better names for them, and you should bring this up in the forums to see if anyone has any good ideas. But for consistency the current names are ok, though probably should all just be merged into their appropriate main article, cause still called (in-game) Engineering (when preforming it on a mob), Mining, and Herbalism. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:30, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


How do i word this without stepping in it.. From a GM who cleared up a few details without leaking anything Jellinator (talk) 13:37, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Image source Rangerkid51 (talk) 02:37, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Rare mob category instead of just named mob?

Hmm, saw you used it. Something new or just previous....erm, less used? TherasTaneel (talk) 21:13, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Might have been new when compared to the creation of the old articles. But as Named mobs is a parent of Rare Mobs, if they're rare its best to use the Rare mobs cat. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:16, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yep. And sorry for that plague beast... TherasTaneel (talk) 21:18, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry about it, I was originally just replacing/updating them before too, but then the original cats were made... so I figured why not fill them =P. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:22, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Garrosh Hellscream Image

That image of Garrosh Hellscream on your page seems to be literally snagging your userboxes and pulling their pixels apart. I just want to know if anyone else has this problem or if it's a problem on my end. BobNamataki (talk) 23:07, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

One more reason to dislike him I guess... but I have no issues on my side. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:09, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
My dislike knows no bounds, I'm leaving wow if he is going to be Warchief. It seems to have resolved itself along with my Wookieepedia and LOTR Wiki trouble. BobNamataki (talk) 11:24, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Children's Week

Time to scamper around looking for pages that should have the Children's Week event tag at the top, I guess... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:36, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

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thx for the help on editing still have a ton to learn on how to make the wiki sleek and smooth lol —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saranwrap (talk · contr).

You're welcome. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 16:38, April 8, 2010 (UTC)




a face

(something like that)

Thanks you

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:45, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Something like this? {{=)}} Smiley.gif --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't care for the name given to the trees... so I changed them and updated those templates. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:33, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Help with Trade Princess

Hey there,

I have noticed you have been doing some editing on my page. Thanks for the help ^_^. I have one question. Is there anyway I can make my page searchable?

I will try to get the images all sorted out once I have collected them all from people.

If you have any more suggestions don't be afraid to let me know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Venezius (talk · contr).

Like any new page it takes time for it to become searchable through the google search. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:45, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I meant within the WoWwikia search engine. One more question, I saw you moved the fan gallery under the Contributer section. How do I do that for Fan fics and other fan related media. Just so I can do it myself in the future Venezius (talk · contr)

That search too. And I'm not sure I know what you're talking about me moving galleries... but if you want to move them, just edit the page, cut and paste into a different area. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:04, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Emblems and PvP items

Currently the  [Emblem of Triumph] page only lists a few of the PvP items that can be purchased, specifically a few of the leather ones. Adding all the PvP items will substantially increase the size of the columns. Is it preferable to create an entirely new section, similar to the Tier 10 section, and link the sets for each class, rather than add all the items to the columns? If it is, I will do so and apply the same change to the earlier emblems for consistancy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nief (talk · contr).

I would think it would be best to just add them to the already existing columns. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:15, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Help with Image Licensing

Alright, so I got your post on my talk page, just wondering if I corrected the image licensing for Xaxxas2.jpg, when I went to do the one for Alindaloran.jpg it looked like it was licensed, so if you could double check that for me that everything is correct and in order that would be great! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alindaloran (talk · contr).

You did, and yes Alindaloran.jpg was licensed, that was my freebie with an attached note. I will usually give a user 1-3 freebies (so long as they are all within the same moment) otherwise I just give warnings to fix. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:10, April 10, 2010 (UTC)


On the topic of Zalazane. His Backstory in Lands Of Mystery is rife with errors, from a third party source, and is not consistent with his backstory given in all other sources of lore. Because of this I believe the backstory given in the manual and WoW deserve topic billing and the info from Lands Of Mystery should be sidelined. Copperblast (talk) 03:19, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Once again I'd like to request that the info from Lands Of Mystery be moved out of backround and into a section near the bottom of the page titled "Warcraft rpg" as it is extremely contradictory to his first and current presentation by Blizzard. Copperblast (talk) 19:16, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Upload multiple files option

I've been wondering for some time now, when I a seldom time upload muliple files at once, I find it rather annoying that the file-name is written in black on a gray background, because this makes it hard to see what one is doing. Do you know how, and/or think it is a good idea to change this colour into something more visible on gray? TherasTaneel (talk) 03:10, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure I know what you mean... or haven't noticed, as I don't do the multiple file myself much either... let me see if I can see what you mean. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:14, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Just uploaded using the multiple file option... I'm sure sure what you're talking about... all the text appears white to me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:16, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Black text on gray background
I'll try to show you instead, if you look at the image; the source filename is black and nearly invisible on the gray background, perhaps not a big problem as its shown clear in distination filename. I just found it annoying. TherasTaneel (talk) 03:31, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Upload multiple files example.jpg
Interesting.. I'm not sure why it does that for you, here is how it looks for me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:37, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Bah...oh well. TherasTaneel (talk) 04:19, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
The main difference could be in the language. Wikia may have goofed on the page for your language since it does not appear to be in English. -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
| C | TLeave me a message on my Discussion/Talk Page) IconSmall Gnome Male.gifMorphgnomeIconSmall Draenei Male.gifMorphdraenei 23:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Noticed the language difference, but all the rest of the wikia is in english; only the browse-botton seem to be...native. Well, and the random text about no file have been chosen yet. Know any way to make it appear which it seem to like the rest of you? TherasTaneel (talk) 00:02, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ever watchful gaze required

Could I get you to take a look here and there, thanks. TherasTaneel (talk) 04:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

You might have an opinion about this? TherasTaneel (talk) 22:10, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Icon Organization

Could you plz look at this and say what you think? User:Ashbear160/List of race and class icons Thanks.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:42, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I guess we could try it out. Though I'd rather have the elementals split up by type like they are now. I'm not sure why (Deceased) appears next to the bone wraith and I don't think Wights are considered abominations. I'm also not completely sure that's the best way to group the demons. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:00, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
elemental:I think this way is better because there in the current state there is too much division some categories, of course there's always a better middle ground instead of basic, i divide it back to the four main elementals but keep conglomerate united, and golem constructs(if it was for me i would change them this instant to mechanical but it's not the way blizz put it) separated from the rest what do you think? i'll change it so you can see
bone wraith:It's because i copied from lord marrowgar :S
Wight:i put wights that way because they're classified as such in the abomination page
Demon:Well it's a clear separation, i don't think non-sapient is the best word to describe them animal?, uninteligent? i have no idea that sounds better than non sapient, but the definitions are clean
Also if you can plz do the following changes to the race template, ill tell which and why:
Remove Devil, Because it's a loose term in warcrafta and in rpg it's used in appendix 3 which we aren't adding to the template
Add Dark titan inside the titan section betwen the aesir and vanir
Add Doomlord inside Ere'duin if you want to, i don't know if it's a sub-race so it's up to you to decide
thanks if i find more i'll tell yah--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:26, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
What do you think of elementals now? what about beast and humanoid? and what categories can i change?(after some alphabetic organization).--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:49, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
It all looks ok to me, a few things may need moving around, but that can always been done later... don't forget to add the new icons I placed onto the page before you make the switch over. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:39, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
I Just have a question arcane elementals arcane wraith and mana elementals are air elementals as much as entropy and felfirelord are fire elementals do you think they should stay in other or should go to fire and air respectivly?--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:53, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Arcane are not air, but the fire ones should move, and give the arcane ones its own category. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:01, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ok sorry mana surges are an air elemental, not arcane but i think it's best if arcane elementals stay in other with sound elemental as they are both abstract elementals that do not represent a element, but mana surges should go to air elementals then, what's you opinion?--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:05, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Fine with me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:07, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Well done and done, i also thought of organizing dragonkin by colour(should be possible for dragonkin) and by creator race in mechanicali'll try to make you one tomorrow so you can look at it and see what you think--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:20, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think for the dragonkin it might be best to have it ordered by type rather than its flight. As for the mechanical creators ... I think that might be overly much. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:36, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Well i tried in mechanical it becomes too confusing, but in dragons it looks perfect and it's easy to see what we miss(and blizz), check atUser:Ashbear160/List of race and class icons, and tell em what you think--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:46, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, the dragonkin does look good, however, the Azure should be merged with Blue... same flight and all. And the separation in the mechanical section looked ok, though some categories could be called into question, but I won't get into it, if you said you weren't going to bother doing that one. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:29, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
The thing with the azure is because i didn't want to make azure first than blues because that would overshadow the blues and i didn't want to put below each entry because it would look bad after we add all the azure entries it would look good separated, anyway your choice azure seperated from blue or united with blue in front of the rest of the blues, or behind
yeah mechanical get's a little confusing with some parts going awire--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
They're part of the same flight, so stick Azure and Blue together. I don't see how one would "overshadow" the other. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:26, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
When the rest of the azure dragonflight is added--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:20, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
I for one have no plans on making the azure ones. I never approved the making off the first one either. I find it silly to make them, when they are the same creatures with just updated models... and not all of them were updated, just the drakes I think. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:43, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
They all got the model updated File:Bluedragonflight.JPG--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:57, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
So they did... either way... same flight. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:07, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to make a protodrake section just because protodrakes are not actually part of a dragonflight, so we can't apply that logic here, and because A'noob raised a good point "We don't know they're origin", if you have any problems with that tell me, and i'll revert the edit according to your specifications.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:00, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


Anything that you're doing that I could help out with? I've been prowling around and there isn't much to edit. Thanks. Tanooki1432 (talk) 03:26, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

There's always things to do =P. But something that you can do to help me directly, probably not... I'm making a few icons and getting annoyed with the bone giant... too many bones getting in the way for good shots making the image a mass bone ... no jokes please. =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:33, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


I see you added Doomlord and Dark titan, but could you add [[Dark titan|Dark]] instead, so we keep a "one word thing" all along


IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:03, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, yep, I'll fix that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:22, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Outdated image version still in use?

Heya there Coobra, I noticed something odd with some images, and wondered whether someone has done a mistake or not. The current image version for File:Inv_chest_plate_22.png shows a gray on-flames breatplate, but I've seen that the oldest version of it from 2007 (the purple-blue one) is still in-game on several items as of the patch 3.3.3. One example is [Turalyon's Battleplate of Triumph]. Clicking any of the external links will show that the "old" image is still in use. Since you're handling images and the like, can you figure out this? :-) WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:54, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think I see why. Seems the fiery one is named File:Inv_chest_plate22.png and the purple one is named File:Inv_chest_plate_22.png. I can see where the confusion came from. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:33, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Huh, there was a small naming difference? What an eagle eye! :D You fixed that one nicely, now it seems the affected items got their proper image back. Thanks! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
All hail Coobra, owner of the Eagle Eye! Vanquisher of bad image names and...the like. Smiley.gif TherasTaneel (talk) 15:38, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Indeed indeed, Coobra possesses the very essence of meticulousness itself.. and as it happens to be that I just remembered another possible image error I once saw on wowwiki, who is better to fix it than Coobra? :D It seems the wowwiki article for Drak'Tharon Keep has an missplaced (or possibly outdated? I never saw any other version than the current) Loading Screen-image. The current wowwiki-image looks like this while the loading screen for this instance I see in-game looks like this. It seems the latter image is not to be found on the loading screen-article either, nor in the category for loading screens. Can this be fixed? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:52, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you pointing it out... it can be fixed, but probably not by me... I don't really know where to get the good screenshots of the loading screens, I tagged it for being out of date. Perhaps Kaydeethree or Varghedin will be able to help with that. They seem to get the really nice ones. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:40, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
For your reference: go to, download the "User Interface Customization tool" zip, extract it to your WoW directory, run "AddOn Kit.exe", choose the "Art" option, wait a minute or so, go to "Blizzard Interface Art (enUS)" and play with the blps. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 03:47, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Ah.. thank you Pcj. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:54, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


Might investigate User:Umbrall. Adding links to his site; minimal content, click-through to a paid guide advertisement. Bumping his links. Inviting a 3RR violation on Hunter builds. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:11, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

What widget?

What widget are you referring to here? I realize it's probably some Monaco idiocy, but I was just curious to find out so I could be peeved by it. Thanks! --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 23:44, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

This should fix it when the cache updates. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 01:27, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


Hi! You leave message on my talk page "Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Coobra", well, here i am :), can You help me, please! I need to make a code (template) to turn on/off image+text, code, which will hide image and text most of time, and show only at specific date or period! Hope You can help me, i guess You have some experience in template and code making :), if not, well, sorry for the disruption! p.s. awesome signature Vilnisr (talk) 19:50, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


I take it you do not share my opinion... that there are few enough vehicles that keeping them redundantly in "(zone) vehicles" and "WoW vehicles" would be vaild. There are few enough listed even for the zones that have been separated out so far that I thought it might make finding them troublesome. *shrug* --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:03, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I didn't like the <zone> vehicles categories that were created.. I felt they were far too few and just to have them in world of warcraft vehicles.... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:57, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
I would not have a *lot* of complaint about zapping the <zone> categories in this case. However, I'd point out that there are at least some vehicles in existence that haven't got pages yet. Might be a bit early to say categorically that there aren't enough to justify any given zone.
... but there are definitely some zones that have enough to justify a category, and others that don't, which leads to a consistency issue. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:48, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

New cataclysm concept art mobs

Well i wanted to add the new mobs from the concept art into cataclysm portal under the new npc/mob area but for some reason the previews doesn't show any changes, and i don't want to mess with the code of that page so i'm asking could you had the following

-Shale spider
-Deep sea murloc
-Sea hag
-Thorn sprite

Thanks if these lead to any red links i'll fix it as soon as possible--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:55, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Separate Articles for Character Biographies

Hey, I've noticed several users actually have separate articles within their user page for character biographies the URL usually being I was wondering how I would be able to do the same. If you could inform me on how to properly do that you'd be my hero and I would love you for eternity :)/--Alindaloran (talk) 18:17, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

The same way you would make any other new page. Simplest way is to just go to User:YourName/CharacterName and then click "create" when it tells you the page doesn't exist. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:44, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I probably wouldn't have guessed to do that--Alindaloran (talk) 18:54, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


This edit is the result of yet another inane recent Wikia addition, which made it "easy" to add images to --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:41, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

/sigh ... and I was wondering why people were adding that widths="120" everytime... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:43, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing the images show up at Special:UnusedFiles? Trying to test it so I can report the stupidity but that page is cached big time. See also w:User_blog:Kirkburn/Photo_gallery_launch. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:46, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Not sure... I'm just talking about when I go through the Special:Log/upload and click on the image, the File links section would be empty.. even though I can see the image being used, it will not show it linked, without the File: being there... now if a day goes by it might appear in the file links section, but sometimes it doesn't. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:50, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


Your advice is required here if you haven't notice yet. Smiley.gif TherasTaneel (talk) 22:29, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


Neither the DNP policy or the image policy specifically forbids topless images of Warcraft characters, unless I missed something. I suppose you could bend policy a bit to get rid of such images, but it is still not really condemned. I am reminded of this old discussion. Your thoughts?--SWM2448 02:52, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to make you have to do all that

I didn't realize what DNP meant, so I guess I must have been giving you mods quite the headache. I guess I'll just have to describe my priest in text! Once again I am sorry for the hassle. -Akairos

Children's week quests

Did they put them under a children's week category now? I know that the wolvar orphan quest chain is under "special" in the quest log. How we categorize them is... idiosyncratic, I guess. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:35, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

And don't those WorldEvent templates have a "|quest=" parameter? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:35, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
It's funny how they work... if the event is going on and you get the quest it's labeled under the events name (Children's Week), but if you have the quest when the event ends it switches to Special. I'd say just use the name of the event at the category. While yes the WorldEvent templates have a quest parameter, it would just be best to allow the questbox template to handle the categories... But in the end it doesn't really matter, they'll both place them in the correct category if they were done right. But it's always good to have those extra parameters, just in case you might need them... for example H [70] When I Grow Up.... This quest was removed from the game, so the questbox template gets a |doc= to prevent categories, and the worldevent template can use the quest parameter to keep them organized. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:18, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yupyup. Knew that about doc=. Used doc= on quests before. Just didn't spot the issue on that page. No worries. Had seen the "special" category on the one toon that I'd only managed to start up the Dalaran orphan quest on. Hadn't actually looked at the log when I picked up the other quests. My bad. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:06, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Um... Each of the children's week quests that I've looked at has appeared under "special" in my quest log. All of them. During Children's week. The only thing I've not tried is starting the Vanilla WoW chain with a character that has never done them before. Try it yourself. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:46, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... you're right... Well, for ease of finding world event quests, I'd say.. to just keep using the event's name. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:21, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
You mean, sorta like having "Special" in the questbox category, and "quest=" in the worldevent template? :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:57, May 6, 2010 (UTC) -- ps... if you've been following my edits, you can see the sorts of trouble *I* have been getting into... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


  • Heya, I don't really like my name coming up anymore when i search it up on google. Could you by chance delete my page? Nebulax (talk) 05:27, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


I was wondering if this and that is not DNP, since it is sourced from mmo champion and not Blizzard; no matter how accessable it is in its current form. And if it is not, then why? TherasTaneel (talk) 20:54, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thought those were provided by Blizzard during some preview of something... cause those were uploaded way before the Alpha started. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:15, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Image Copyright Permission

love some of the images on the site ... I would like to ask for permission to use some certain ones.

  • Policy Image
  • Header img on Sidebar
  • Some random little icons...

I run a free Aion wiki at and would love permission to use these and other neutral images on my site. Skjald (talk) 12:33, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hotkeys question

on 01:05, January 26, 2010 (UTC) you asked me what was the point in Hotkeys. May i ask you to take a min or two to pop over there and see if it does make any sence now?

Thanks Richwarf (talk) 23:40, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Templete box alignment on user page

Ok, I give up. What did you do to get the badges box to right-justify? I tried copying your code, but it likes the middle. If you have a moment, could you direct me to my blunder? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 16:09, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I guess the wiki just hates me today. It's displaying in the dead middle and not stretching out to the right-hand side. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 19:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
I blame the gnomes. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 19:33, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Aye. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:34, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Ghost categories

Got it. When should the race be added or left? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 20:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

MOBs vs. NPCs

Would it be safe to say that all mobs that are not hostile to at least one faction should be re-classed as npcs? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 00:13, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Mobs are creatures that were designed to be killed for quests or loot, while NPCs are creatures that interact with players via chat, quests, and/or vendoring. Even if friendly to one faction if they're in a faction specific zone, they would be mobs.
For example, the Dalaran humans in Silverpine Forest, while friendly to Alliance players are mobs and quest objectives for Horde... They are classified as mobs. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:14, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
So if the character has a gossip or vender window they are a valid NPC? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 02:26, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Quest Enders

Am I to understand from the revert that a character should not be both a giver and an ender? When which each be used? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 02:43, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

This plans to be handled differently in the soonish future. But yes, if the npc is a quest giver and a quest ender, only use the quest giver category. If they only end a quest, then they get the quest ender category. I believe this is stated in the categories as well. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:45, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
I looked before posting, but I might have missed it. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 02:48, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
Category:Ghost quest enders states NOTE: Many ghosts who are quest givers are also quest enders, but were not categorized or marked correctly as such. This makes it sound like both categories should be applied. Perhaps a wording change? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 02:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Proposed rewrite of Guard

Hi, I had a look at the Guard article and really thought it could use a complete rewrite: it is full of incorrect information (human guards are not the only ones who use shields, guards spawned when a zone is under attack are not higher level than the normal guards there), outdated information (Undead Guards have been replaced with Kor'Kron guards, Seekers have been replaced with Dark Rangers) and missing notable encyclopedic information (such as guard reactions to classes/professions they like/dislike, and that the named elite guards also have a snare). It doesn't even mention in the current article that the elite guards can see through stealth!

The style is also somewhat bland; "Their uniqueness... their uniqueness.. their uniqueness...", it also doesn't list guards seen in Alliance and Horde bases in Outland or Northrend. I think that the list is kind of tedious and can be replaced with this single sentence I used in my rewrite:

Predictably, every city, town, and outpost is guarded by members of the race it belongs to, except for the Undercity, which is being occupied and monitored by Thrall's Kor'kron Guard to prevent a repeat of the events of the Wrathgate.

Because you said I can leave a message on your talk page if I need help with anything, can you please look at my proposed rewrite on User:Sarvam/Guard rewrite? I do not plan to remove the cursor icons at the beginning of the current article, just the tripe below it. What do you think? Do you approve this rewrite? Sarvam (talk) 18:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

I like it, although I think it needs: patch-history, list of kinds of guards; People's Militia, Bluffwatcher e.g and...a section about which guards react to player emotes, like the guardians in Silvermoon City. TherasTaneel (talk) 19:03, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, thanks, I'll add that. Sarvam (talk) 19:09, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Seems to me it just needs updating and correcting, not completely rewritten. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:35, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm zone page editing

In response to: (Quote)

"Please wait till beta, information often changes and if you have no information other than "It will be a subzone in Cataclysm" than that might as well be no information."


Without these pages that you refer to, a number of invalid links are located on the site at the moment. See this page for example. Better to have some information than no information at all. Technically, the fact that this page links to each subzone gives the exact same information that I put on the pages that you deleted, making me wonder why it is so bad to have existing articles about the subzones. The information can always be changed if neccesary.

I hope you will find the time to answer this comment quickly. Elrynn (talk) 13:43, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

possible problem with image

It might be a problem that the background in File:Sharlah.png is Dalson's Tears post-Cataclysm and therefore a DNP. I'd say it is so severely photoshopped that noone will notice unless they know, but, meh. TherasTaneel (talk) 09:09, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

It appears sourced from which is from Sharlah's RP page @ Since it's titled WPL, I think that's your call. I don't know enough about the place, I just hit 50. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 11:51, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
The image was found on the mmo champion website before Blizzard told them to remove such images. TherasTaneel (talk) 11:56, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... tell ya what Drazisil, TherasTaneel is technically correct, so what I'll do is delete it for now, and restore it when the NDA is over. I'll probably forget by then, so just poke me if I do. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
I'll try to remember. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 00:05, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
NDA is lifted *smile* -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 02:46, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for reminding me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:49, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Deeprun Rat Kabob

Do we have a policy I've overlooked regarding when something should be catrgorized under a general area as opposed to being broken out? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 22:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Items aren't objects. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:32, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
Oh. Right. Sorry about that. And regarding the stubs, I'll leave that for the bots. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 22:35, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
It's not a bots job to add stubs, the issue was you weren't adding them correctly. To place a stub simply use (using mob as an example) {{Stub/Mob}}, nothing more. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:40, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, now I see. Do you happen to know of any re-categorization projects I can sink my teeth into? Kinda like Ghosts. I seem to being doing a poor job with the zones. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 22:44, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
Well normally they would be located in Category:Incorrect categories, but it appears to be empty at the moment. But there's always things to do. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:48, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Going Down?

Why did you delete my Easily Identifiable Location in the Elven starting zone? It worked perfectly and I gave precise directions, as opposed to some of the more vague ones. An explanation would be appreciated.... Jpurdue (talk) 00:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)JPurdue

I gave a reason, read the history for comment. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:01, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

For one thing, I tried several of the other suggestions repeatedly and many are too vague to be helpful. For example, the location at the SW docks is extremely vague and could be any number of places. I got sick of wasting time and gold trying to find the right spot and I think other people would, too. That's why I made my directions very precise so it is EASILY IDENTIFIABLE. As for the commentary, my purpose for that was to keep a record that it may be incorrect for whatever reason, and someone coming after me can verify it either positively or negatively. I see what you're saying about personal comments, but that wasn't my intent. I didn't want to fully delete that option in case someone found a way that I could not, but I also didn't people wasting their time as is sometimes the case when trying to follow a wiki recommendation. So, I am adding my edit back in, but will delete the "commentary" since it offends you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpurdue (talk · contr).

Never claim it offended me, perhaps you need to read WP:NPOV. Also, there is such a thing called a discussion page where you can place your personal commentary for such things, if you're concerned for other people attempting the same things.... Side note, if you're naked, you don't lose money. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:22, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Good point. Naked is better. ;-)

Illidan's Alignment

Why would Illidan ever be considered as "evil" when he clearly isn't. Everything he ever did was a lesser evil for a greater good, he even made self sacrifices for the greater good. In Illidan's initial appearance in Warcraft III, he is freed from ten thousand years of imprisonment to help his people. You might think that had driven him mad, but he does succeed in saving his people (at the cost of becoming part demon). For this heroic act of self sacrifice, he is exiled by his own brother, Furion. Then he is hired by the demon lord Kil'jaeden to destroy the Lich King before he regains his power. Illidan is stopped by Malfurion, who was misled about the former's intentions. When Furion finds out that Maiev, Illidan's jailor, had betrayed him and lied about the death of his lover, Illidan and his brother work together to save said lover.

Afterward, Illidan tries one last time to stop the Lich King, but is defeated at the end of Warcraft III's expansion. Thus Illidan had been, at worst, a Well-Intentioned Extremist who rarely did anything not in his people's interest (even the original reason for his imprisonment was for keeping part of the Well of Eternity, which he felt was too useful to completely destroy, even if it is what brought the demons). Even in the War of the Ancients Trilogy Illidan, while portrayed as significantly more power-hungry, still wishes to save his people. Come World of Warcraft however, Illidan is brooding on Outland as a Designated Villain with Informed Insanity.

He is treated as if he was always a villain, carries the title "the Betrayer" (which he, in fact, mocked in the intro to the Frozen Throne, but it seems the writer's forgot that he was right), and most of the expansion revolves around fighting him and his minions, despite the fact that it is supposed to be about defeating the Burning Legion's Burning Crusade, whom he betrayed and is now using their weapons against them. To put salt in the wound, Maiev helps you defeat him, who was not only said to have died in multiple sources, but was the true traitor in Illidan's story, having left the night elven leader's lover for dead and allowing the Lich King to survive just for a chance to imprison somebody who was saving the world.

I understand that he is an extremely complex character and why one wouldn't want to classify him as "good" (despite my own personal opinion that he is a good person), but I don't understand why he would be called "evil" instead of "neutral".TeMpLaR (talk) 01:23, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel like reading that book above... I'll just say one thing. It's CITED material. Don't change. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:38, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. I don't feel like visiting this "wiki" again, so you can cite that material. Don't worry about me ever improving the accuracy of this site again, and I hope you enjoy your future prevention of positive change.TeMpLaR (talk) 01:53, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to see you leave, but personal opinion doesn't overrule official lore. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:52, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
It's more than personal opinion when cited with examples from official lore.TeMpLaR (talk) 01:53, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
Then get the sources and the citations to back it up. I'll go read the official RPG docs tonight to check. We'll see what Blizzard has to say. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 01:58, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

"An unusual subset of Chaotic Neutral is "strongly Chaotic Neutral", describing a character who behaves chaotically to the point of appearing insane. " from the real Wiki.

I'm not saying that the WoWRPG docs say otherwise, I'm saying if it says Illidan is a neutral evil, then it is wrong and Blizzard hastily wrote that section of it and would change their position on it if properly confronted on the issue.

Anyone who puts some critical thinking into the ethical implications of Illidan's actions and behaviorwould believe so too.TeMpLaR (talk) 02:30, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's not our place to correct Blizzard, if they say one thing and do another, that is their choice (or mistake). But here at Wowpedia, we strive to keep things accurate, as according to written lore. Now if they later down the road change said information then it can change here. Right now the RPG book says Neutral evil and that is what we must keep. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:40, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but just because blizzard says it doesn't make it right. Example: If Blizzard had put in that book that the Lich King is a Lawful Good, he still wouldn't be a Lawful Good in reality.TeMpLaR (talk) 04:45, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


The infobox at Timbermaw Hold does not seem to show that Meilosh is their quartermaster, can you fix that? TherasTaneel (talk) 08:51, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

That was an infobox zone, quartermaster only displays in infobox faction.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 09:32, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, right. Thanks. TherasTaneel (talk) 10:12, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oversized Images TotP I

Sorry for the oversized images - didn't relise I hadn't change the image format from what I normally use for drawing or check the image sizes. Will upload new smaller versions of them - could you please delete the old ones for me please.

--Firenova (talk) 21:14, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


IP address collision. Apparrently TreyAlliance6 and I are listed on the same IP for some reason. There's no relation between us. The blocked IP was Note that I am not alone. It seems like a networking IP mask issue of some sort. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:01, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

... And it clears itself up again. This has happened to me before, and is getting to be a non-trivial annoyance. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:02, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Happened to me as well, as you say, clears itself up, but meh. TherasTaneel (talk) 22:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
So I'm not alone in that issue? I was really worried thinking I might have been hacked or something and thankfully it does clear itself up. Sairez (talk)
The entire 10.x.x.x is a non-routable IP that can be used anywhere. It not only shouldn't be seen by any website, ever, there's no way it should ever get in a block list, for the same reason.[[1]]

3. Private Address Space

The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: - (10/8 prefix) - (172.16/12 prefix) - (192.168/16 prefix)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drazisil (talk · contr).


Special:Contributions/Highlord Merdez Lionheart and Special:Contributions/Scarlet Lionheart appear to be sock puppets. At the very least I'm guessing they need renaming and possible moving, but I'm not sure of the tags for that. Thoughts? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 15:20, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hello re:block?

Hi, my name is Felipe, i just registered today to wowwiki/wikia, because i believe i would contribute to the updates on the pages of the site. so far in the hour ive been on it, i believe ive been doing sum great progress. I was mostly updating the cooking page as i believed sum of the NPC links needed to be added/updated. Well upon doing such, i got a messege that says i got blocked by you and here is the number as well "block ID is #683". Im not sure what it means, but just thought id let you know though. thanks, Felipe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anafusion (talk · contr).

I talked to Wikia about it. Apparently, they have a server (or a router, perhaps?) that is misbehaving, passing one of their internal IP addresses along, and are tracking it down. It's Wikia wide. When a block is registered on a connection going through the misbehaving server, the internal IP gets blocked and anyone else coming through that server might "look" like that IP. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:25, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Region facilities checkmarks

Question: Does any area have both ships AND zepplins? If not, why not combine the two? I don't see it as terribly important that a distinction be made. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:39, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I had them combined at one point while creating this template.. even thought about just calling the checkmark mass-transit ... but then I got to thinking.. what if one day bliz decides to have a town (neutral or otherwise) that contained both types... Hmm... so you think I should re-combine them? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:44, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
Chances are there won't be any places like that in Cataclysm. I don't think combining them would be harmful. Sarvam (talk) 02:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, changes have been made. I haven't fixed all the articles I've placed it in yet, but tell me what you all think of it now. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:17, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
I know it is bad to speak about Alpha, but Bladefist Bay is getting a dock, maybe a ship will be there, keeping Zep and Boat apart would be good.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:17, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
Grr too late, they've been merged into Mass-transit. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:38, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that 'mass transit' is that bad a collective name. But even given the possibility of Bladefist Bay (wherever that is) having both, it doesn't change the point that both boats and zeppelins are "means to get to places far away". Of what value to the reader is it to know specifically what TYPE of such transportation is there, if they aren't ALSO told why the difference matters? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:13, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Edit time stamps?

On API RegisterEvent it shows my edit as Drazisil made an edit on 2005 February 7 The format is because of my preferences, but where is it getting the date from? It shows correctly on the history page. My other edits seem ok. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 15:18, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Showing me you marked it as of 15:11, May 21, 2010 (UTC) . Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:14, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Login isn't working

It's Toran. I keep trying to log in, but it won't let me; it keeps telling me that the user name doesn't exist. It even lets me request a new password, but still tells me that the user name doesn't exist when I put in the replacement password they gave me. Toran Wildpaw (talk) 00:46, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's still telling me I'm not putting in a valid user name. Oddly enough, I've had no trouble logging into this one. Toran Wildpaw (talk) 23:35, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Post number clubs

Are we still doing the post number clubs (1000 club, 500 club, etc.)? Tanooki1432 (talk) 03:44, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

To my knowledge yes. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:52, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, who do I talk to to get in? Tanooki1432 (talk) 13:56, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Just add the template and the highest number corresponding to the number of edits you've made. Presto, you're in! --Sky (t · c) 17:42, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


I'm guessing this is DNP, but I'm not sure how exatly. I didn't see anything forbidding webcomic chars in the policy. Would this fall under Fan Fic? Thet webcomic is World of Warcraft, eh? @ [2] IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 18:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

We don't make articles based off of fan made comics. Now that's not to say they don't get a subpage under the comics page (if one has been made for one), but in the main space its a no... especially with no source.. I didn't even know what all the extra gibber jabber in parenthesis was for because of the lack of sourcing... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:58, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Which is why I asked. I was going to tag it speedydelete:DNP, but wasn't sure what part of the policy it fell under, and you went and moved it anyway :) IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 19:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
I usually tend to move pages to it's author unless I'm completely sure it's DNP. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
As my role-model I expect you to have all the answers! :P IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 19:16, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
42. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:53, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

License and categories auto - option

"...all the licensing options have categories associated with them (not always the case, and I'm thinking of changing that)" Change so they do, or don't? Have you by the way noticed that,...lets say, you have a file, if you put category mob on it, that it doesn't show up in the same order as if had been licenced with that license template thing.

And another thing, like the pet option in a npcbox adds a category, would it be hard do you think to make it do the same with e.g. the race? But perhaps there would be too many disadvantages, none that I can think of, but perhaps you've participated in a discussion about it in the past? TherasTaneel (talk) 20:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

There's too many different races that same categories and many different variations for the same race... it would just be too much.
Yea... I try not to think about the way the images are sorted in the category... =/ And I'd change the licenses that don't have categories to have categories.. maybe. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm yes, I guess you're right.
If getting them to add categories as useful as the ones that presently do, I don't see why not. TherasTaneel (talk) 23:02, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Template sapient races and species

Yeah i noticed a few mistakes that should be correct some of those where mine and some stuff it needs to be added:

Add this to the native to azeroth inside the Aqir part: -[[Qiraji]] [<small>[[Qiraji emperor|Emperor]]{{·}} [[Qiraji prophet|Prophet]]</small>] , add missing kinds
Cut the furbolg section and glued it in front of the faceless section, it's not by alphabetic order
Substitute the dwarf code with this: -[[Earthen]] [<small>[[Frostborn]]{{·}} [[Iron dwarf|Iron]]</small>]{{·}} [[Ironforge dwarf|Ironforge]] [<small>[[Bronzebeard clan|Bronzebeard]]{{·}} [[Dark Iron clan|Dark Iron]]{{·}} [[Wildhammer clan|Wildhammer]]</small>]{{·}} [[Skardyn]]{{·}} [[Trogg]]), i think it's wrong to call trogg a sub-race of earthen, since the dwarves are also separated(also they're adding new types of trogg in cataclysm...)
I think that's all for now--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:32, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
Done. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:11, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
PCJ removed everything i did :S--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:20, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wait he just changed it but did not finish the ther sub-templates could you finish it for him please?if you don't mind--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:46, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

I need your help :S--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... I didn't like how the template was myself. I'm happy with the changes. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:27, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
That was not the problem, but we solved it anyway, although i prefer if it worked like the mount and creature template--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:08, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


Why does it say there are no pages that link here at the bottom of the page? Bug, or an I misunderstanding what that means? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 01:38, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes it's the way the files are linked on a page that prevents it from being quickly seen as linked to from. If a colon (:) is placed in front the file's name for instance, it often times won't show up in the file links, but will in the Whatlinkshere page. File:Crossroadsbanner.jpg for example, the way I linked it won't show up in the file links, see for yourself... it can be a little annoying. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:27, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Argent Dawn templar

What are the rules when an article is a complete copy of the sourcebook? Is that even allowed? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 01:39, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

I would visit WP:COPY. Under Fair use #3. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:52, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
OK, i'll see what I can do to clean it up. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 01:58, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


With {{t|Cite}} deprecated, what would you advise be done with all the pages that use {{AbilityFlavor}}? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 23:47, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I would just leave it, unless it becomes an issue. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:15, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for editing my pages - still getting used to this thing.

Edit; I was wondering how to get her avatar.. It seemed to work but uploading it crashes my comp.

Eiorwryn (talk)

Delete a Wowpedia Account

Is it possible to Delete a Wowpedia account? For reasons that are irrelevant, I need my Wowpedia account deleted. How would I go about doing this? --TeeSon5 (talk) 10:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

They can't be deleted to my knowledge. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 16:31, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Creating templates

I want to create a template how do i do this?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:47, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Create an article [[Template:NAME]]
The rest varies with what it is supposed to do.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:53, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Broken image?

Hey hey... there appears to be something wrong with the file Inv_misc_book_08.png. I don't know the exact problem, but I've noticed that it doesn't show in some sizes it worked in before (such as 20px). Can it be fixed? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 19:00, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Inv misc book 08.png Inv misc book 08.png Inv misc book 08.png Inv misc book 08.png - Looks fine to me.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:20, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


This dude's screwing around with the Malfurion Stormrage article. Do us all a favor and ban him, will you? IconSmall Wolvar.gifBig, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 23:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, too late on that count. Zeratul did it already. Nevermind. IconSmall Wolvar.gifBig, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 23:53, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

All I did was update the violations page, which is generally the best method of alerting admins to his sort of nonsense. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:54, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Here I've been for, what, two, three years now? And I still have no idea how the wiki works, lol. XD IconSmall Wolvar.gifBig, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 23:55, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
At least you know how to make a spiffy signature... I'm still trying to figure that one out. Tanooki1432 (talk) 23:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
P.S: That came off really ass-hole-ish didn't it? I'm sorry... Tanooki1432 (talk) 00:07, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Nah, t'was coo'. IconSmall Wolvar.gifBig, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 01:34, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

While I tend to monitor the recent changes, I do do other things.. the best spot is always the violations page, or the IRC. I just had come back, noticed the undos and checked what was going on, then his priors, and then blocked before even seeing this request here. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:00, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

No license

Thought I'd help you out, but is there a way to supress the screenshots cat on {{user-ss}} or do I have to go back and remote that cat? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 22:11, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, there shouldn't be a way to prevent the category per license. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:53, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blood Elf Page

Sorry about spoiling your work, but the lore was all wrong regarding M'uru. The chain of events that the article had before I edited it was:

  • M'uru resident in Blood Knight area in SC
  • Kael kidnaps him and takes him to Outland
  • Events of Burning Crusade up to 2.4.x
  • Events at Sunwell Plateau, with M'uru somehow showing up there

This, of course, is wrong. I corrected it to:

  • Kael travels to Outland, captures M'uru in Tempest Keep, and sends him to SC
  • Events of Burning Crusade, including Kael's defeat at TK, up to 2.4.x
  • Kael returns to SC to kidnap M'uru and take him to Isle of Quel'Danas
  • Events at Sunwell Plateau

Nathtaleth (talk) 13:25, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

That was fine, I have no problems with you correcting the info done by other users. I simply wikified that stuff and fixed spelling mistakes, to which you undid it all then made lore corrections, but leaving many of the spelling mistakes and removing all wikified words that I had previously fixed. That was my only issue. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:24, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Alliance and horde template

I'm trying to make a new templates for the alliance and the horde but it didn't let me use the name Template:Alliance and i had to use Template:Grand Alliance, now i have to find a similiar term for the horde :S any help on a solution to this problem--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:57, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Just call it "Horde navbox" ...if it is even needed.--SWM2448 00:02, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm.. The Noble Horde. =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:04, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
In various place for lore they call it Thrall's horde or New Horde now that i remember which one do you thinks it's better?--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
I'll go with New Horde--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:33, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Template:New Horde--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:44, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
I think i'm finished with them so i'm going to connect them to the two main articles--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:46, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Unconsolidated fanfic pages and such

I was wondering if you had any thoughts about this? TherasTaneel (talk) 22:03, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, relative of yours; Maximumviper? TherasTaneel (talk) 02:53, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
Ugh... a human... nevar. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:55, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for reminding me about the ~~ ~~ system, somehow I forgot about it. I'll do my best to remember to use the ~~ ~~ system. -- Sairez (talk) 05:17, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/TCGSW and Template:AbilityFlavor

Why do the book cites show up as redlinks on this report, when they really aren't on the pages? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 15:34, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Might have something to do with the template's code. See the lone ''[[{{{2}}}]]'', it might have something to do with that. I don't know. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:37, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


This Article Netherwyrm is describing adult netherwing dragon shouldn't this be fused with nether dragon article or something i find it redundant to have this article since it doesn't add nothing new, and is already present in other articles--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:19, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

It can stay, it's no different than the many blue drake, blue wyrm, etc articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:32, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Then maybe we should add examples of Netherwyrms like those guys in the netherwing quests--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:08, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Are the Netherwing questgivers confirmed to be wyrms? Also, the "Netherwyrm" article seems to be about the early (pre-TBC) voidwalker-like nether dragons, and not the altered black dragon nether dragons.--SWM2448 00:27, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
The S&L quote on the Nether dragon page seems to state that wyrms and dragons are the same (right above age groups). Also, the Netherwing page states the race is nether dragon. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 00:55, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Shadows & Light says about Netherwyrms "These larger cousins of [the Warcraft III] nether dragons are truly deadly." The short story involving the neither dragons says: "Trant snuffed the candle at his feet and the walls of the summoned building dissolved to reveal the dusky sky of Outland and the eight nether dragons circling around them. From beyond the dragons, a full-grown netherwyrm let loose a blast of green fire that splashed against the last of the hut's dissipating protective aura." and "Skill and experience eliminated half their foes in the first seconds of the battle, but the others still remained and the mother was roaring to call more of her children." The connection that the netherwyrm is the mother, and not a full-grown something else next to the never-before-mentioned mother, is only implied. I would say the information on the page may be suspect, and more confusing that it really is for a slightly bigoted reason. The 'dragons aka drakes' thing comes from the story saying that they were fighting drakes after the aforementioned sentence calling them dragons. I assume that the initial mention of nether dragons was referring to their race, and the mention of drakes being more specific.--SWM2448 01:54, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not a dragon expert (that's my wife) but a drake is a male dragon. A wyrm is also a dragon. Drake refers to gender, wrym refers to sub-type. It's a judgement call if we want to assume Blizzard follows the definitions or not. To make matters more interesting, wyrm is English, while dragon is French. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 03:29, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
In Warcraft, the dragon life cycle for both genders is "Egg" -> "Whelp" -> "Drake" -> "Dragon" -> "Wyrm" while still being a dragon throughout.--SWM2448 03:48, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


Could you fix the Race page, I always look at that page but it has barely any races on it anymore. Hallowseve15 (talk) 18:46, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

The main page? i also noticed a lack of sapient races but disregarded as the people here use playable races and the templates has acess to other races —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashbear160 (talk · contr).
I'm not sure I know what you mean Halloweve15, the page has never had a full listing of every race. The template might have tried, but even that didn't list everything. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:36, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

infobox town

Can I propose Template talk:Infobox town? IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 23:20, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


Coobra, I need some help, in the Warlock abilities thread I tried to add [Demonic Empowerment] to the Demonology table and now it is messed up and I can't fix it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mortothiar (talk · contr).

It's fixed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:29, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Im sorry about that.

List of Warriors problem

I need some help with List of warriors. I'm trying to add the "Other warriors" aection, but everytime I do, it merges it with the "Horde warriors" section. Can you help me fix this so I can continue improving the article. Thanks. Rangerkid51 (talk) 02:55, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Gul'dan

I realize that you needed to protect the page to put a stop to the editting war, but I must protest the notion that Gul'dan is somehow not affiliated with the Horde.

He was the head necromancer of Doomhammer's Horde, and while his loyalty was to himself, loyalty is not the same as political affiliation.

The article should be reverted to normal, with Gul'dan labeled as a Horde character.

- Fojar

Ever since Warcraft I, Gul'dan has only been affiliated with himself. He was infact killed by the old Horde.

Looking at Fojar's edits almost all of them have been rewriting text to be more negative about the Horde. Copperblast (talk) 06:59, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Don't bring your disagreements to my talk page, you disagree with changes, use the articles talk page, do NOT begin an edit war. This topic has been argued to death and I'm tired of hearing it.. put it a WP:VOTE and be done with it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:01, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Enchanted Tiki

To avoid confusions i made a article for Enchanted Tiki but i'm afraid my writing skills are bad written in the third person, i think, so i'm asking if you could go and correct, and also if you could tell me what to do to add a gallery?--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:49, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:28, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cannons and Turrets

I want to make an article about cannons and turrets, although there is a article about Cannon it excludes turrets entirely and, i want to change that article to another name, but cannons and turrets is too long, I had the thought of calling it Artillery but i feel like something missing.

In shorter terms can you help me find a good more descriptive name to cannon and turrets, like stationary artillery(Bad name), thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:36, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia calls it a Gun turret, but i don't know if that's the correct name--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:38, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
I would expand the current Cannon article. After all, they are still just cannons, even though nicely designed ones. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:33, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Can turrets be defined as cannons? if that's the case i have no problems--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:31, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Category:Instance quest givers

Is this the lowest it goes, or will there be instances under it? I couldn't locate the tree you are working off of. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 22:17, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

The lowest would be Category:Quest givers and Category:Quest enders, as for the instances.. I'm not going to make individual categories for each place, not a huge amount have quest givers and the ones that do don't have many. So as for as instances go, Category:Instance quest givers would be the highest level. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:45, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts wanted on quest givers before you go much further

See Forum:Quest giver/ender categories. I commented a bit there. --Sky (t · c) 03:12, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, not so sure we should completely remove "Category:Quest givers" and such like in this edit. I think that's useful information to have stored., and for that page, I'd even add 'quest enders'. Just a thought. --Sky (t · c) 22:48, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
For example, if we ever have SMW, we'll be able to intersect the categories with a search, which will be very helpful for the browsers of the wiki. --Sky (t · c) 23:07, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I thought the point of these very detailed categories was to replace the large categories of quest givers and quest enders. Otherwise.. if we do get SMW, the <zone> NPCs and Quest givers would work well enough together. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
True enough, they would, but the manual intersections we're working through aren't such bad ones to be making, because they're very useful even without SMW. The intersection of "quest givers" with "zone NPCs" is a fair bit more trivial (imo) in nature. On the other hand, it's very useful metadata for the future, so I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't remove it. To be honest, I dislike how SMW handles the data (All that syntax added unless it's in a template? Yuck!), but if we already have the data on the page in the form of categories (albeit large ones)... --Sky (t · c) 06:28, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Personally, just from a change of mind perspective, I'd rather use a template with certain parameters that would auto-categorize these NPC articles, that way, if we do decide later down the road (which seems to happen every other year or so), that all we'd have to do is change how the template reacts to the already entered parameters and change everything, without having to manually do the thousands upon thousands of articles. (even if a bot was setup to do the changes). But that's just me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:12, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Tol'vir and Obsidian destroyers

Are the same... should we fuse or wait for cataclysm or do nothing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:52, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

No merge. I suspect that obsidian destroyers are likely modified tol'vir, or at the very least they're a separate group of them. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:59, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

NDA lifted

Yay can i talk about cataclysm now?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:29, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Can i also update the Sapient species template and the request list?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:41, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Not yet. Wait a few weeks, we might get some icons made, before you'll need to request. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:57, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
And the sapient species template?, i also have such a pretty list here can i least make it as a topic instead of a requests part?--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:08, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
That's fine. Just make sure none of it was datamined info. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:18, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
It's hard to distinguish betwen datamined info and not datamined info but i'll try--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:24, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


I still don't get why the edits I make on the Onyxia, Nefarian and Sintharia pages are deleted. Datamined is the excuse I get. Not so. Rather well known, but y'know. I simply have written that they shall/may return in Cataclysm. I even changed it to that this is not finalised and should not be taken for fact. I personaly think it absurd, but can I be told why? Unless it is only because it's believed to be datamined, which it is not (by me).--Epsi-spoon

How is the information known and/or seen in the beta or press? Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:39, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Unless you can actually walk up to those characters in the beta and take a screenshot of them, the only way to get that information is to datamine their models from the game files, which is what MMO-Champion did. Regardless of whether or not you personally did it, the source of the information is datamining, which is explicitly against Blizzard's terms of service. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:16, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't the achivements say which bosses are in which instance? i'm not in the beta i'm just asking--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:00, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
They might, but knowing the names of the bosses, and what they are or what they look like isn't told by them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:06, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

One last thing, then I'll leave well enough alone (for now :P). On the Fandral Staghelm page, you deleted my likkle bit that on a quest (which is posted on Wowpedia) which hints that he has some role to play in Cataclysm. Or do you consider that datamining?--Epsi-spoon

During this point and time, if something related to Cataclysm is not cited then it will be removed. I personally will not go around searching for references and mentions in quest articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:54, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Val'kyr as a horde race

Should we add the Val'kyr as a race on the Horde article? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 18:35, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Added. Thank you for pointing that out.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:13, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Updating Gilneas Civil War article and Invasion of Gilneas article.

Is it alright if I update Gilneas Civil War article and Invasion of Gilneas article. There are articles on quests in gilneas that have been created on this wiki which contains more lore and specify s the outcome of the Gilneas Civil War and the Invasion of Gilneas. Just wanted to know whether to work on these articles. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 21:46, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

That is fine. Updates to articles are very appreciated. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:56, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should change the Gilneas Civil War article name to Northgate Rebellion. Liam said in the quest Lockdown We protected Gilneas during the Northgate rebellion. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 23:12, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Also I changed the two factions in Gilneas Civil War to Gilneas and the Northgate rebellion.Just letting you know. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 23:13, July 4, 2010 (UTC)


Do I need to source all the quests I use for my information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rimor Conscientia (talk · contr).

It might help, if only to prevent its removal during this Beta phase. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:45, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 23:51, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lycanthoph and Nemesis

Where do i put these new dark versions of Goldrinn and Tortolla, in Ancient guardian?--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:52, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
read these:
N [81] Hell's Shells
B [81] Lycanthoth the Corruptor
--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:09, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
Ah... I don't know, doesn't seem they are ancient, but newly created. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:47, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to add them since they are described as dark ancient, or shadows of the ancients, and are made of pieces of the ancients--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:51, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Temporary article name for the next Horde Alliance war

I was wondering if you have any ideas for a temporary name for the next Horde Alliance war that will begin in Cataclysm. I plan to start writing the article sometime today. I was thinking of calling the article third Alliance-Horde Conflict or Horde-Alliance Cataclysm war or something else maybe? Input for a name would be helpful. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 21:45, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

4th war? i think that's what it's called ingame--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe but 4th war the term would probably be used to describe the possible war between the Horde and the Alliance in Warcraft 4. But thanks for the idea. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 21:59, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

No i'm pretty sure this is that's the name since there isn't going to be a wc4--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:23, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
There's still a high chance of them producing another Warcraft RTS game. Whether it's named 4 or not. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:25, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, But anyone got suggestions for the name of the Horde-Alliance War in Cata? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 22:35, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
Im just going to call the article Alliance-Horde War (Cataclysm). If people have objections please voice them in the next 30 minutes. Because after 30 minutes I will create the article. Blizzard will eventually tell us the name of the war in Cata. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 22:52, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
I'm fine with that. Also, {{Bettername}} is your friend.--SWM2448 22:57, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Question about a source.

Are articles on reliable? And two can we update articles using info from the Beta? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 02:26, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

You can update from the Beta. I would only consider a source for something if they said where they sourced from. They speculate sometimes. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 02:33, July 7, 2010 (UTC) is more of a news site, probably just as reliable as mmochampion. However, the game is what should be cited, not articles from fansites. As for updating articles see Help:Updating for Cataclysm. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:44, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
Know any sites that are reliable for Cataclysm info? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 03:10, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
Us? =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:23, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
World of Raids and WoWHead are fairly reliable. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:59, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


They look exactly, act exactly the same, have the exact same backstory, and are the same character. He simply got a name change, Maldy's falcon is just an injoke for people who played the demo, they are not actually different characters.

Are we going to Sassy Hardhearted as a separate individual from Sassy Hardwrench now? Bamm Bigbomb, not Bamm Megabomb? Copperblast (talk) 06:31, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion. So long as the item exists, it will be placed as a reference. Do not change it again. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:51, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Coobra they look exactly the same, it should be mentioned that Maldy was renamed to Gallywix and an injoke was later made on the subject. Copperblast (talk) 06:53, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Copper, I UNDERSTAND that they are the same person. I DON'T CARE if it's intended as a joke. And it's already noted in the notes section, and we will continue to treat him as the former cartel leader, due to the item. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:55, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Fine then let me put in the notes section that Out of universe Gallywix is just Maldy with a different name. Copperblast (talk) 06:58, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's already noted like that... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:59, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Quests with the same name

There's a quest in both WotLK and Catacylsm called "Breaking Through', and right now serveral pages are linking to the wrong one, was wonder how to change the link location or to get someone to fix it? Un1t3D (talk) 01:39, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:50, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Tyr is not Vezax

So should we remove the speculation that says Tyr might be Vezax on Yogg-Sauron's and Vezax's page? --Sairez (talk) 04:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, sry, didn't realize it was on those pages as well. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Cata-inline vs C-inline

I noticed that a template {{C-inline}} had been created and was slowly taking over the {{Cata-inline}}.

Icon Cataclysm 18x18.gif is smaller tha Cataclysm and looks more like WoW Icon update.png, Bc icon.gif and Wrath of the Lich King.

So which one is to be used and when?

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 10:43, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

They way I figured it was that we would use {{C-inline}}(Icon Cataclysm 18x18.gif) for the templates or even character location and we would use {{Cata-inline}}(Cataclysm) in an article to show information from Cataclysm. For example the Thrall page Cataclysm is under the Cataclysm section of his Biography and the Icon Cataclysm 18x18.gif is used in regards to his location in the Maelstrom. --Sairez (talk) 13:49, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
Aye {{c-inline}} was just created for the zone navboxes, to see new zones and not be cluttered by that huge cataclysm "icon". However, if users want to use it for other things that's fine too. It can always be put to a vote later down the road for which to use as the main icon, but once cata hits all those icons will be removed from the zone navboxes and {{c-inline}}'s purpose will be done. The template will then either be a redirect or deleted, depending on how widely used it gets for other things. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:29, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery versus Images

This is regarding New Thalanaar

Someone named Kirkburn created a gallery out of one image. In a flurry of updates I removed the gallery. I didn't think it met the qualifications of a gallery; especially if there's only one image. Also this location is small enough that is doesn't merit a "gallery" of images. My changes were reverted back to a gallery by Kirkburn this morning. Could you tell me which is correct? Is this merely a personal preference for the person posting the images? Korval (talk) 16:56, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, "someone named Kirkburn"... anyway; I guess until the expansion comes out this wiki will be flooded by images, whenever it comes out I guess We decide which images to keep,... roughly. In this peticular case I think it is a personal preference. By the way, you should have a look sometime as to who this Kirkburn fellow is, if you get the time. TherasTaneel (talk) 17:06, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Well I not too familiar with the who's who of Wowwiki. :) Korval (talk) 17:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
Not trying to make fun of you, It just seems funny to us because we know Kirkburn. While it's a good idea to be bold, It's also a good rule of thumb to drop a line on the user's talk page before removing content, unless it is clearly DNP or Vandalism. BTW, Wowpedia:Administrators is a great page for leaning who the major players are :) IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 17:23, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
Come on. Don't play the power trip card on me. Sheesh. I thought this was a Wiki community; you know where everyone is an equal when it comes to posting information. Korval (talk) 17:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the intention was to play Everyone on a wiki is equal when it comes to posting, but an admin is supposed to always post something... useful and...with less errors, at least...I guess that's the idea. TherasTaneel (talk) 17:33, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
I Didn't mean it like that. I was just trying to be helpful and my tip about talking before deleting content is just as valid regardless of the user rights of the person. I know if people deleting something I felt was useful with no explanation I would feel it was a waste of my time. If this weren't an open wiki people would get banned far more often. You said you didn't know who was who, I offered some links. IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...)

My ears are burning! Perhaps I am biased as I worked on the new gallery design, but I just think it looks better than left aligned thumbnails (when not floating in text). I'm also considering returning to New Thalanaar soon to get more pictures (the one I took was a bit random, taken in passing). I didn't view the change as any kind of 'bad', just thought a gallery looks better when the image is on the left. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:41, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, neither only left aligned thumbnails or overuse of galleries are praiseworthy. A healthy mix of both is usually the best option, unless someone invents something even better,...thats just my opinion anyway. TherasTaneel (talk) 17:46, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
I want all gallery images aligned in tetris form to spell out Wowpedia. Clone and resize the images as needed. Every page! IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 17:53, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Whats this now, a whole conservation on me page without me knowledge, come come, and of image use no less. By golly I do agree with what this Kirk.. burn is it? This fellow is wise indeed... (If you read that in a old english accent, good for you). Anyway yea, I'm not a huge fan of left-aligned images myself and the only reason I didn't undo Kirkburn's gallery change to New Thalanaar was that I read his comment on that edit, which can be seen in the edit history. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:35, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for this spirited discussion. I will keep all your comments in mind for future edits. Thank you for going easy on this Wiki noob. Korval (talk) 20:25, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


hey do u no how to make a signature —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidDwarf (talk · contr). 02:07, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


The Shaper's Terrace

I was wondering if you could head over here - - and put in your two cents. As I've explained in the discussion there, there are two distinct areas in Cataclysm named The Shaper's Terrace in Un'Goro Crater, one to the due north and one to the due east ( They are not connected to one another in any way, shape, or form. In fact, it takes about a minute to fly from one to the other. I created a separate page for the one added in Cataclysm, but it has since been redirected to the page showing the original Shaper's Terrace - the way that page reads now (Cat section) there is no difference between the two areas.

I also wonder if I'm being ignored by the person who popped the redirect in there. Of course, that could just be me :P Frejya (talk) 03:14, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks anyway!Frejya (talk) 03:27, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
No problem, sorry I couldn't help. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia Front End Cache

Regarding "Wikia is sadly having problems. Our front end caches seem to have gone away. We are working to fix it as soon as possible." I have seen this message a lot. Do you know why this would happen? Is it site traffic, or is it something else? Korval (talk) 06:15, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you... I haven't even seen that message before. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:30, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
I have seen it! It was under my couch! ... er, no. I actually did get that error. Later in the day, the wiki was for the most part back. Kirkburn would probably be a better person to ask about issues like that. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
The few times I've seen this error Wowwiki has gone down for about 45 minutes; sometimes an hour, during which time some pages and images may load intermittently. Most of the time the screen goes white with that text (a.k.a. the dreaded white screen of death). Korval (talk) 20:17, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


DUDE!!!!!! i thot we cleared this up a few days ago!!!! why do u keep changeing my edits?!?!?!?!? theres nothing wrong with them at all!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westin318 (talk · contr).

It's kind of hard to know who you are if you don't sign your comments with four tildes. Coobra changes a lot of people's edits. Tanooki1432 (talk) 20:53, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Like DUDE, maybe you should actually read comments used when edits are done. OR perhaps look at the page you're editing before you edit. Lets look together, shall we?
My comment is "Try looking down". So here we go down to the trivia section, and what's this we find, WHY.. it's your addition you made some days ago that was moved down to another section.
So, to answer your question... or rather your statement of "theres nothing wrong with them at all" the answer is redundancy. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:14, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


As advised in the article, I'm asking an admin first.

I would like to get an idea of what the community might think of a possible request for adminship.

Tell me the secrets Coobra :)

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 21:33, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'll get back with you on that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:11, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 22:28, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
You really expect him to tell you? He's still trying to figure out how he got it ;)
IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c2,835 edits so far...) 00:08, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Is one required to nominates his/herself for adminship, or do the admins ever nominate others? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:36, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
The archives of WW:RFA indicate that it's split between "requested" (by the applicant) and "nominated". --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:16, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
Good to know, thanks. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:21, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Class Icon - Priest

The priest icon in the Class Icon template has been broken for a few months now. Can you fix it? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:26, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Priest Priest - Seems fine to me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:44, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding friend, Vanzant95

To paraphrase Scourgelord Tyrannus: "Coobra! Destroy this fool!" *grin* Just kidding. Nah, it's just another one who's not happy that I corner him with logic and decides to publicly harass me. Couldja put him in his place kindly, sir? Thankee. --Joshmaul (talk) 23:13, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, wish I could.. pcj jumped up and did it before you asked =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:19, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
Eh, it got done. Man, I love when people do this - try to get into a battle of wits with me while they're unarmed. It makes my brain feel good that people are jealous of it, heh. --Joshmaul (talk) 23:21, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
You guys have to stop having fun without me :( -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 00:23, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

cata beta keys

Congrats on you and Pcj getting in the beta. Are your keys working? The latest batch sendt out to WoWUI and Cure are failing on the bnet site, was wondering about yours. -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 18:31, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

No fail here. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:38, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm Beta

Congrats Coobra fro beta, i had a question...say your waiting for a beta key. How will i know i get one? Hallowseve15 (talk) 20:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

You'll get an email from Blizzard. You can also check your Account, since emails seem to be slow coming out. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:39, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
What will pop up on if you recieve it? Hallowseve15 (talk) 21:41, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
Under game management it will show the cata beta. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Coobra. I hope you don't mind but I copied your badges an put them on my profile, at the ones that apply. Korval (talk) 01:22, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mind I do not. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:47, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Yoda, er Coobra! :D Korval (talk) 07:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


I hate to tattle, but their is this one user who is Jiggero. He messed up the Tinker Town page and i fixed it. Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:46, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Crop request

I'm not sure sure on how to crop images so I was wondering if you could crop the original Agatha picture to get an image for Arthura and Daschla. --Sairez (talk) 01:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

To The or Not to The

Coobra why are Hyjal subzones that have "The" in the name being remove on this site? Korval (talk) 02:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Please read WP:NAME and it's not just the Hyjal subzones.. it's been done like this for every zone and subzone for a long time now. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:42, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
Can I leave it to you to fix these sorts of thing? I'm not familiar enough with Wowwiki to know all the nooks and crannies of naming policies. Korval (talk) 02:46, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
That's fine... someone or myself eventually gets to moving them, it's not that important. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:48, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm just happy to add as much information as I can. I'm glad you guys are liberal enough to let me keep adding information, even if I get it wrong all the time. :) Korval (talk) 02:51, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Achievement - Availability

Hi mate, bit new to wiki's but thought I had cracked it so just wondering why you removed my pics from the availability section of the achievement page? Was going to do more editing but don't want to until I understand why so I don't do it again! ;-) Regards, Zasurus (talk · contr)

LOL you edited my question but didn't reply! Your adicted to editing! :-P Zasurus (talk) 19:57, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh I don't know if my talk page was enabled... anyway I think it is now but guess replying here would be easyer to follow. ;-) Zasurus (talk) 20:17, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, had to think about how I wanted to respond... I just didn't see the images necessary or needed to explain the situation. The article already has many images of the same achievement window. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:38, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough as long as I didn't miss some rule about images. :-) I will continue to edit to my harts content! ;-) Zasurus (talk) 07:58, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
This has been bugging me. I agree after looking at the page that the second pic isn't needed as it was really only proof it worked! LOL And I don't think that was really usefull but the first image I would like to add back as that shows you what you will get when you can't access the achivement window. It was only small and I do believe it adds to that point. :-) I am going to try and Be Bold and put the first one back ;-) guess it can always be removed later. :D Zasurus (talk) 20:10, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Underscore vs Spaces and the Naming Policy

I don't understand how this is happening. I changed my Photoshop settings so that filenames now save with spaces intend of hyphens. But after I upload them to Wowwiki they appear with underscores. The odd thing is when you view the popup overlay the filename preserves the space. Could you tell me how to get rid of the underscore? Or is this part of the Wiki software? Korval (talk) 18:07, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

They don't make or break an image. Using them or not using them doesn't really matter. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome

[3]. --Sky (t · c) 15:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. ... /me puts away [Very Sharp Executioner Axe]. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:49, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Coobra - Denied my edits

Hey bud, I see you denied my edits for the Eye of the storm. Can you site exactly why? This way I learn what is ok and what isn't. I do believe that the information was in the appropriate area and added value to readers. The external link I believe was also a valid link that was in line with WoW Wiki policies. If I violated anything let me know so I can improve and not let it happen again, otherwise I'd like consideration with my edits.

I am very new to adding to Wikis so I appreciate your consideration and advice.

Thank you,

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swampfoxx (talk · contr).

Looks pretty obvious to me. You posted an exploit. —EGingell (T|C|F) Treader of Cenarion Circle 05:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Egingell. I undersand now and didn't realize I shouldn't publish that stuff. (Even though this one was harmless I totally understand now.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swampfoxx (talk · contr).