BQL Redirect

Hey Coobra. I was wondering why BQL as a redirect to Blood-Queen Lana'thel was deleted. I've seen a few people use this acronym and don't quite see why it was removed. Thanks. Techhead7890 (talk) 22:20, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

To may knowledge we try not to give abbreviation redirects to bosses, just places. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:31, August 1, 2010 (UTC)


When I went to the Genn Greymane page all I was able to see was the "Facts about Genn Greymane" from the RDF feed and I was only able to view the article in question after using the article history. Do you have any idea or clue on what may have caused this? --Sairez (talk) 12:26, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, probably the new Semantic MediaWiki we're using has done something. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:23, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

1920 x 1080 Images

All of the images I upload were originally 1920 x 1080, but I saved them to 1000 x whatever because they load faster in the popup. Honestly 1920 x 1080 take forever to load in popups. Is there any policy in place to limit the dimension sizes of uploaded images? (Reference: Korval (talk) 22:01, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

There is an image guideline, that you can find at WP:IMG under Resolution, that asks users to try and keep images to about 1280x960 as a reasonable upper size limit... but it's not required. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:28, August 1, 2010 (UTC)


Coobra, images have lately been taking forever to load. Sometimes they don't even load at all. I also try and upload images and images are corrupted. My connection and the images are fine. Please advise. This is happening a lot now. Korval (talk) 03:18, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed, it's a wiki thing. I think it was something to do with the conversation to a new something or other, I haven't looked at any of the details. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:28, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
The problem is coming from I don't know if this is your area but is there any way to find out from the Wikia people what's going on? Korval (talk) 18:13, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm Beta question

Ok, so i finally got a beta key. Where to i go to enter in beta key? I need help!!! Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:13, August 6, 2010 (UTC) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:19, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Where on Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:21, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Your account page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Where on the account page, sorry? Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:27, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

On the righthand side of the screen is a button that says "Add Game." Honestly, did you even LOOK before you decided to ask here? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:29, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

It didn't work, it says "A problem has Occurred" i got the invite from an in-game mail by Blizzard. Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:37, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure it came from Blizzard? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
If it's not working, then contact Blizzard's tech support department; we can't help you. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
Click on My Account on top of the homepage. You should see the Cataclysm beta client download. If you don't see it, change your account password immediately. Korval (talk) 15:41, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

FYI: If Blizzard gives you beta access, they will flag your account in lieu of sending you a beta key. Beta keys are for third parties like Curse and WoWI. I can't seem to find the source on this, but I know I saw it somewhere, though. —EGingell (T|C|F) Treader of Cenarion Circle 17:19, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

The beta Invite was fake... :( Hallowseve15 (talk) 19:00, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:16, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


this may be a little bit of an awkward question but... since you have 65,982 edits its pretty obvious u play WoW... but how do you nude in wow?????? like i tried to see if there was anything on youtube but there wasnt and.... ya kinda weird question... Westin318 (talk) 00:22, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... interesting question... But I take a picture of myself and photoshop it into a screenshot... just kidding LOL.... but actually there was something that changed the skins of characters that were just in the underwear to look nude. I do believe Bliz has found a way to prevent that, though I don't really know. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:27, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
hmm okay... Im gonna go look at the dates of those vids and see if theychanged it or not.... thx Westin318 (talk) 00:59, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

just checked them.... most of them were 1-3 years ago but one of them was only 6 months.... i dont suppose that was enough time to change it? Westin318 (talk) 01:02, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

You can always google for it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:04, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
well i saw another at like the bottom of list there was one that was month ago... guess its still possible.... anyhoo thx for the help Westin318 (talk) 01:07, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


that isnt my guild but if i ever own one ill be sure to read those.. Love, Shoartie (talk · contr)~* 02:25, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Valley of the Watchers

Oops, sorry. No idea how I accidentally removed the template and let that slip past me. I'll be more careful. - Sikon (talk) 07:42, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Rommath in Cataclysm

There's a soundfile which was implemented in one of the Cataclysm beta builds, which reveals Rommath to be working for the Twilight Hammer. Would that be considered datamined or something? I tried to add it to Rommath's page, but someone else edited it out. May I have to wait for more proof? Epsi-spoon (talk) 16:28, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

If you cannot see him saying this quote in-game, then it is datamined.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 16:34, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Mm'kai. Guess I'll have to wait. Ta. Epsi-spoon (talk) 16:37, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

elink to

Hi Cobra,

You’ve removed my external link from Herbalism page and suggested to move it to guides section:

> "Undo revision 2353603 by […Andrewginda…] You can link your stuff on guides, but not here"

Thanks for your suggestion, but I don’t think fits well into leveling guides page. This is not really a leveling guide and it’s not even a guide at all. is online database that scans AH on regular basic and helps visitors to find best herbs for making gold. This is database that helps to make gold, but it’s not a guide. If there is a market fluctuation (for example because of a new patch) the whole page will change reflecting new prices, new volume and new top herbs for making gold. AHseller is totally free resource, has minimal ads and provides data on making gold that is not available anywhere.

AHseller provides additional information about Herbalism topic, but does not repeat information already available on the wiki page. Making gold is a big part of WoW game and AHseller provides valuable information for WoWWiki users complimenting Herbalism page. It is directly related to the article on the wiki page. Wowpedia:External links policy specifically recommends to place database sites into elinks on the corresponding page because of a dynamic nature of the content.

It seems to me that I’m following external links policy, I obey elinks rules and I’m adding valuable addition to the topic described on the page.

Thanks for reading my message. Please let me know your recommendation if Herbalism is appropriate place for elink to

Andrew (talk · contr) 18:46, August 12, 2010

Sounds like a guide to making money to me, but /shrug... add it back if you like. Don't use me as any type of reference saying "Coobra said it was ok" though, cause I'm not ok with it, but I won't remove it again either. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:04, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. Based on this I'll revert both of your undos (Mining is the same thing) Please let me know if you figure out how to improve professions wiki pages, so wowwiki users can find info how to make gold with each profession. Making gold is a big part of the game, everything what's available on internet is crap and not free. It would be great if wowwiki could help the visitors in this important topic, but obviously the challenge is that this content is highly dynamic and it changes with each patch or AH market fluctuation. For now I see nothing better then what External links policy recommends: add elinks for all dynamic content. But it would be cool to do something better than just elinks. Thanks.Andrewginda (talk) 22:11, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
You should however expand that information since some realms seem to be missing, the EU realm Moonglade being one. I wouldn't trust the site. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:24, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
I agree and I'm working on adding more realms to Still combined data (chose ““All Realms”” from drop down) is pretty good and trustable. Even if your realm is missing, “”All Realms”” data can give you a pretty close picture on what is good for making gold on your realm and what is not. Andrewginda (talk) 22:38, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Loading Screens

You reverted my edit to Loading screen to the one I had previously. The previous one didn't include the outland screenshot and the other 3 had the loading graphic on them the new updated ones do not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aeonorion (talk · contr).

Go look at it again. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:00, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

image revision

You do know you can upload revisions to a image to resize it etc instead of deleting it altogether right ? If not check out the documentation.Mancini (talk) 09:53, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I do.. obviously. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:20, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Mountain King

No one ASKED me anything. It was simply undone. Don't go all pissed moderator if you haven't followed the whole situation. Drasol (talk) 12:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you should read editor's comments in the history page.. or perhaps YOUR talk page. I asked you to stop 5 days ago. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:20, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


So I'm still noobish to this over forums, is there a list somewhere of the banners you have on the right of your page? I st--borrowed the ones you have that apply to me, and just wanna see what else is available. Drasol (talk) 13:32, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wowpedia:List of user templates, Wowpedia:List of user fun templates. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:25, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Custom signature.

I was wondering on how do you make it to where my custom signature links to my user page? I didn't see how to do it on the My preferences page. Thanks for any help. Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk · contr) 19:58, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Should be covered on WP:SIG. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:27, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


I've been reviewing Smitrovic's contributions. Most are some sort of advertisement for a website or Youtube channel. I don't know what Wowwiki's policy is on this kind of activity is but I personally find it abhorrent. I see it as no less different than gold spammers filling up trade with advertisements. Basically there is an ulterior motive behind this person's contributions to this site and it's not for the greater good. Korval (talk) 06:13, August 17, 2010 (UTC)


why exactly change that last image back to the oldd? mine is the newer version and the old one you put back isnt current cuz the lighting in the room changed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PhosphorosC (talk · contr).

If you don't read your talk page, I can't help you. Start signing your posts by adding 4 tildes ~~~~. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:45, August 17, 2010 (UTC)


hey im really sorry i posted the same pic again, i ment to add a new one, really sorry. PhosphorosC (talk) 21:59, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

The Maps

How did you make the Winterspring map I though the parts were corrupted? You can email me if you dont wanna talk about it here. --User:ShandrisForever 19:15, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

He didn't. Someone else did, and I uploaded it. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:28, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
Your source, Zeratul? --User:ShandrisForever 19:39, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
[1] -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:29, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


Hullo snake, i want to do some fanfic, how do i do? Gnomish alchemist (talk · contr) 21:47 August 18, 2010

Visit WP:FANFIC and WP:PA for starters. Explained anything you need there be. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:48, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Map changes.

If I want to change it, I will change it.

So shut up and get a girlfriend, loser. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JaimeMB (talk · contr).

Aww, you make me cry, Goodbye. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:41, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
Did he just tell a admin to go **** himself ??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashbear160 (talk · contr).
Don't go too rough on JaimeMB (talk · contr). I was the same before I reached my first 100 contributions. But I mellowed out a lot. :) Korval (talk) 16:36, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Jaruk Bloodfyre

Hello, upon reading the Family Values article, I noticed that Jaruk Bloodfyre has no own article yet - or rather, that there was one and that it got deleted by you. Wondering, was it because it was and would only be a stub article, or because the content was incorrect (plus a stub) - from what I can read from the "redlink" page, it was just an npcbox with even incorrect info, such as stating he was a shaman, and that he's of the Warsong Offensive faction. Would you mind if I created that article again, with only confirmable info in the box, plus a short bio? I feel this character deserves his own article. ~ Nathanyel (talk) 14:52, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

The article was deleted because the user who created it removed the content right away, leading to believe it was a mistake to create the article in the first place. You're free to create the article. --g0urra[T҂C] 16:42, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Dragon categories

You know, I was just thinking when I was editing the drakonid pages for BWL that I wished there was a category to put them in that identified their color but didn't necessarily attribute them to that flight, since the ones in BWL are different colors but clearly all affiliated with the black dragonflight (or at least Nefarian). That being said, is the absence of Chromatic Dragon and Twilight Dragon categories intentional, or just an oversight? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:24, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I just got around to finally making the main dragonflight categories for dragons... but I don't see myself making categories for those... least not until we see more twilight dragons. As for the chromatic, I'm undecided as of right now. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. One more question, then. Leave the drakonids in a single large "Drakonid" category, or split it up amongst the flights? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:45, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
Oh I didn't split them already either... *goes to check* .. oh I see why. I probably thought at the time, that the category was already small and splitting them up would probably make each one tiny, but at this point... might as well make them all match right? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:49, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
And I imagine it's only going to get bigger in Cataclysm. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:50, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
True... well... maybe not blue ones =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:56, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

defaultsort question

Why do pages such as Overmaster Pyron show in Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts? As far as I can see, there is only one defaultsort line, and it appears valid? Is there another one I can't see? -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 16:29, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

That's because the DEFAULTSORT from  [Pattern: Cloak of Fire] was included too. Since {{item}} transcludes the marked area of the article, only the tooltip would be included. Unfortunately it used <noinclude> instead of <onlyinclude> to transclude the tooltip, so the DEFAULTSORT added at the bottom also got on the mob article. --g0urra[T҂C] 16:43, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

lich revert


Why did you revert the last change I made to the Lich Page?

O.o —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blackbane (talk · contr).

Because liches can't be death knights. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:16, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
I understand. I misinterpreted the purpose of that section. I was under the impression that was for what classes could become the specified class of mob, and not what classes the specified class could be themselves. Carry on!
Also, I don't know what just happened I clicked leave a message and received some kind of edit conflict message. (Blackbane (talk) 01:58, August 24, 2010 (UTC))
Looks like you might have doubled clicked save page, sometimes you can edit conflict yourself.. I've done it on a few occasions. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 16:46, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Question about sources.

I was wondering do I need to cite quests to add new info to a article? And also hi. Rimor Conscientia (talk) 01:54, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Always cite more stuff!--SWM2448 01:57, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
Citing means folks don't have to look around for where you got your information. IE, you didn't simply pull it off the top of your head. Also makes it easier for other people to add stuff. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:02, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


i have my own wikia and i wanted to know how to create a template. please help me. Hallowseve15 (talk) 20:16, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

There's many templates here, use one as an example. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:18, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Can you create a tepmlate on my wikia? If so it is Hallowseve15 (talk) 20:23, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Not interested... just seems to be a whole wiki around the races of WoW... we already have that here. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:26, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
'( You don't like it? Hallowseve15 (talk) 20:33, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


Last i checked wasn't my page removed permenantly on my request? Why was it brought back? Please see the edits by others also thanks Jellinator (talk) 00:54, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you talking about Server:Turalyon Europe/Jellinator, it doesn't exist. As for your user page, you have never made such a request. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:00, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Apologies slight confusion, it's been a while since I needed to log in. Is there any way to make my userprofile uneditable to others? Jellinator (talk) 01:04, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
There's only 2 settings, unlocked, and locked. You would be unable to edit it, should we lock it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Alright well in that case I'll sit on it and see what happens if it persists do i request a lock on here or go someplace special? For now I'd prefer it unlocked though.
Personally, your user page hasn't been hit with much vandalism as some users have received. I think it would be more of a hassle for you if you requested it locked. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:12, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Shaman Page - Possible Vandalism?

To tell you the truth, I don't know if the person who is doing it is purposely doing it or simply not understanding, but under the "Talent tree" section, they have added alot of information that is outdated, or simply doesn't make sense, and is incredibly hard to understand what they are trying to say. Please look into this? Un1t3D (talk) 04:38, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Fourth War

hey dude, despite you leaving a full description of why you deleted my fourth war page and said we have no evidence that is what it would be called...............dude i never said that was its exact name i said it was a war taking place during the cataclysm involving - and listed factions and leaders - can you give me a reason as to why it was deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Legosheep1 (talk · contr).

See Alliance-Horde war -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:56, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


I'm communicating in the forums and I'd like to know if the terrain in warcraft 3 can be a reliable citation to an argument relating to wow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flame486 (talk · contr).

It really depends on what you're talking about, and I have no idea what you're talking about. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:08, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


[bows before you] I am Leogrimn, a veteran player of World Of Warcraft. I have often used this wikia for information, and I have finally decided to join. I am vigilant and constantly on, and I enjoy being helpful. If I see a problem, I will leave a notification on the article talk page, as I am horrible with manipulating wiki coding and making things do what I want. If there is anything I can do, please, let me know.--Leo And his beloved lynx, Firestorm 02:17, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Speaking from a personal point of view... there's nothing more annoying than someone commenting of things needing something, but not actually helping out. Now I understand you believe you might be horrible at editing wiki code, but have you tried? We all had to learn, and many of us learned through examples and making plenty of mistakes. I know that I might have come off as an arse for saying that, but most times, and this is true, comments on talk pages go unnoticed anyway, unless they're highly edited articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:14, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Everything you say is true. I have tried before, multiple times. I once tried getting images to line up in an organized order for a page, but I couldn't even make the image show up. It's true that I need to learn, and I'm willing to do so. I'm merely pointing out what I can until then. Don't worry, you're not coming off as rude or anything. I'm actually pleased that you said this. The talkpage thing is also true, though I find that some wikias tend to watch everything anyway.--Leo And his beloved lynx, Firestorm 13:14, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


Ok, what am I doing wrong? When I do {{unsigned|<drazisil>}} it looks right, but then you guys go and edit it. What's different? -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 03:32, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Supposed to subst it. You just place SUBST: in front of unsigned. Other than that, nothing different, thank you for adding it to commentators that don't sign. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:38, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
I see. I still have to read up on what the subst actually does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by drazisil (talk · contr). -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 03:44, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
subst: reads the page and adds the contents of the page as if you had typed out the whole thing while not adding it will make the page look it up every time. See: Help:SubstitutionEGingell (T|C|F) Treader of Cenarion Circle 08:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

forge site(s)

Tag, you're it ;) -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 13:19, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Category

Moved to Forum:Categories

faction leaders

Sports72Xtrm (talk · contr) seems to be editing the faction leaders to reflect chages in cata, can you give them a second look and make sure I'm not just being picky? -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 15:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Alliance version of Satin Hood

Thank you for editing  [Satin Hood]. I saw it was wrong but I was quickly in over my head trying to fix it.Laughingman42 (talk) 06:42, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tirth's Haunt

Would you mind terribly fixing the title of Tirth's Haunt? The page I created has a 'curled' apostrophe rather than a 'straight' one, which is used by the wiki. Caught it too late :( Thanks! User:FrejyaFrejya 22:30, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for following and correcting some of my most recent edits.

I know I've been fast at editing, but I am trying to get the Wiki ready for Catacylsm!

Frostworn1822 (talk·contribs) 21:23, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you... I know it's going to be a real pain since probably 90% of the items are changing or being removed... oh the fun that will be had updating. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:28, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Required Assistance

So I hear your the person to talk to when theres questions on WoWWiki (or any other admin, your name just came up). I have a concern with the Hunter races page. If you read my newly posted comment on the discussion tab on said page, you'll notice that I actually use the 'class races' pages in actual decision making of alts. My concern is that the page is pathetically and poorly done, further explained here ( You'll notice my comment under TeeSon5's old one.

My concern is that I'm not sure what templates/tags to put onto this page so that the general public is made aware of the issues on the page and somebody with the knowledge to update and fix it can actually be made aware of the problems. I personally lack the knowledge to update it myself, if I could I would.

I think that the page just lacks the components that all the other 'class races' pages have, and out of them all the Hunters page is the most pathetic. It needs more than "they're naturals and enjoy it". Thanks again for your help. Sorry for the bother. Htipiti (talk) 01:49, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Not only is he the man, he also has a ton of stalkers :) -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 03:09, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
Don't be silly... no one can stalk a predator... =P As for what templates to use to get attention to the page, you seem to have found them, though I'm not sure the out of date one applies.. least not yet anyway. The best would be the lore stub, which I can see already has it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:03, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

1,000 Club?

I feel proud of my editing. :D Thanks for supporting my path... I will still continue to edit the wiki often. Frostworn1822 (talk·contribs) 03:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Medusoid Staff

I saw you revised  [Medusoid Staff], for some reason, it's listing 3147 feral attack power, has been ever since i made the page. Just thought i'd make you aware that this is not correct and needs removed. I can't seem to find it anywhere on the page, maybe a problem with the wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aeonorion (talk · contr).

When you say it's not correct, what exactly are you saying? That the value is off, or the feral AP doesn't exist? -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 12:18, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
The Feral AP doesn't exist. Aeonorion (talk) 16:57, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
Are you seeing this item as a druid? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:04, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
Nope, (3147 feral attack power) is just appearing on the left hand side even though it isn't entered on the edit page. Aeonorion (talk)
I believe the template is automatically calculating the feral attack power for all feral druid weapon types, just as the game does. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:05, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Ahhh, is there anyway to remove this? As that doesn't appear on the tooltip in game. Aeonorion (talk) 01:03, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
It does for druids, which is why it automatically appears here, cause druids may want to know info that you may not care about. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:10, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Aeonorion (talk) 02:18, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Zalazane's Fall Videos

I'm not sure I understand what you meant by not adding anything that isn't already there. like page formatting or what?

F4wrf43ras (talk) 20:31, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

The other videos currently on the page go into detail about the quests, the vid you've linked is a very small overview of the same material. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:34, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha. I assumed since the other two videos were PTR, and the one I posted was on a live realm that there might be a distinction. Sorry about that.

F4wrf43ras (talk) 20:37, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

If you spot something in the vids that didn't make it from PTR to live, please do call it out. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:31, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fanfic quests

Hi. Is it allowed to write fan made quests here on Wowwiki? Gnomish alchemist (talk · contr), 22:31, september unknowndate 2010 (UTC)

Not in the main quest "namespace" (<quest name>), however you may create it under your own user namespace. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:49, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
Like " User:Fartacus/ Quest: The horrible chocolate? Gnomish alchemist (talk · contr), 17:52, september unkknown date 2010(UTC)
User:Fartacus/The horrible chocolate is probably better, I'd leave the quest: bit out. (also, something is wrong with your sig, are you signing posts with ~~~~ ?) -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 17:29, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
No, not yet, but ill do that in the future. Gnomish alchemist (talk · contr), 22.49, september 10 2010, (UTC).


You were right the image looks better. Thanks for the info! :) Rimor Conscientia (talk) 05:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Whats with this site?

Is this site broken or something? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 07:21, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Your post is vague and uninteresting. —EGingell (T|C|F) Treader of Cenarion Circle 09:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
A little more detail about what you are talking about would help us to answer your question. -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 14:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
The site notice, which appears at the top of the window, does explain the situation. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
Haha... I don't go to Wowpedia very often and I've never had a problem with anything being "broken" aside from the skin problem a couple weeks ago. —EGingell (T|C|F) Treader of Cenarion Circle 05:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
But you don't have to go to the main page, it appears often enough, till you dismiss it across the wiki. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:56, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
I've never seen it. At least not that I can recall. —EGingell (T|C|F) Treader of Cenarion Circle 06:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm Kalimdor

Whats the reason for deleting the map? As far as I can see there is no violation as Azeroth and Outland articles feature similar categories. What is different about my contribution? (and I would like an answer thats not a link to the guidelines)

Regards, Ayzael (talk · contr)

We don't generally allow fanart in articles, there are few exceptions to this rule. The ones on Azeroth are very well done... I have been thinking of getting rid of File:World of warcraft.jpg for a while though, only reason it's stayed around for so long is due to having all three continents together with the new Northrend, rather than the classic skinny versions of it on the rest of the maps on the article. As for the Outland one, it's one of two maps on the page. One of the exceptions to the rule is when lack of content fan made images are acceptable... to a degree.
Now lets pick at your image... it's missing the Azuremyst/Bloodmyst Isles, a bunch of thrown in leaders from loading screens, ZF has the colored boss marks, the addition of Org... half of it is "undiscovered". And since the Kalimdor already has tons of images of it, fan stuff, unless REALLY really good should not be placed on it. As for deleting it, instead of just removing it this time, is simply because I see you continually re-adding it, if I had not. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:40, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for deleting those old images I uploaded. I couldn't figure out to get to the page where I could see where all the things I've uploaded are to do so myself, since those images were no longer used. I appreciate you doing that for me, thank you. Lolanda (talk) 22:47, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:48, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sir Zeliek

I was wondering where you would put the ex-paladin qualifications I posted on Sir Zeliek's page if you removed them.

Why did you remove them? I believe that part was relevant to the constant arguments that occur over him. Lordrayken (talk) 03:02, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

If they're qualifications for Ex-Paladins, I don't see why Sir Zeliek's article would be the right place to place it if you claim he is neither a death knight nor ex-paladin. If anything, you'd place it on the Ex-Paladin's article, with citations, cause I hope this is not just something you believe. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:05, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Its the facts behind why Sir Zeliek is not an Ex-paladin. It's the blatant information right out of the game books for why he could not hold Paladin powers if he was, obviously, an ex-paladin. But you're right. The section I added was attempting to explain "why" he is a Paladin, and not a Death Knight or "ex-paladin", when in reality, it doesn't matter why. People can go look it up on their own, right? Lordrayken (talk) 03:12, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Right. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:15, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Good. I'm glad somebody sees what I see for a change, right out of the books.Lordrayken (talk) 03:18, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

new player icons

Do you have large versions of the Worgen and Goblin player icons for the Category:WoW Icons: UI Races page? Kayb (talk) 06:07, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

I do not. And the female ones don't exist yet. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:29, September 20, 2010 (UTC)


Its NOT 320 Gold. I bought the recipe today, I was Exalted.. NO discount. 350 Gold! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Icehawk77 (talk · contr).

If you got no discount, then you would have spent 400g. Sign your posts in the future. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:58, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking at it right now.. it's 320g, so you must be confused. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:12, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Anduin Wrynn is a Priest

Please read my reply on his talk page,I have added more reasons.You just can't claim he is not a priest,you have all the reasons.Sl2059 (talk) 22:15, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, thank goodness Sports72Xtrm knows how to show evidence. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:49, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Moving Stuff

I was just about to move that piece of fanfic you recently moved, but I wasn't 100% sure on how to do it (and you beat me to the punch). For future reference, in the "Move" window, I would rename it to User:<user's name>/<Article Name>, correct? Followed by a friendly note in their talk pages as to why and what I did? Tanooki1432 (talk) 20:26, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Correct. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:28, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


Currently, the existing roleplaying guide is rather massive and cumbersome. I'll admit, that I'm guilty as charged in making it that way, but I'd like to break it up into smaller pages, sort of along these guidelines that I made (subject to change), and have everything tied under a template navigation box similar to that one. I'm just dropping this proposal here for your approval and any suggestions you might have. (Since your one of the Lords of the Wiki). Tanooki1432 (talk) 21:09, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

I leave it up to you, some people may want all the info on one page, others like yourself may prefer it split up. Those types of articles could use some loving though... so you have my blessing. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:14, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
Tanooki, you should make titles of the new pages all lower case (except for the first letter, of course), or they will be moved later. The fact that the page claims to be ripped from another website is not good either. I hope you fix that too.--SWM2448 21:26, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, they should probably contain the word roleplaying on them... just so a page like Character creation is not confused with being an explanation of in-game character creation for WoW. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:31, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Stone Lords

Well i made an article about Therazane Stone Lord but like I said I'm terrible at writing articles, and it seems lame could you please put a more appropriate introduction with wiki standards? --Ashbear160 (talk) 19:05, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:21, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Race templates

If "Charibot" is yours, you will have to correct is work, because in all is edits, he replaced {{NAME Race}} by {{Race|Name }} instead of {{Race|Name}}

Or maybe it was intended?

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 05:54, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Not mine... I did notice some {{Red Dragonflight}} getting changed as well... along with the other colors. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:58, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Policy.

Hey, Coobra. I wasn't aware about the policy before. You can be certain the same mistake won't happen again. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enerdhil Windsong (talk · contr).

... right. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:39, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Seldarine SWC

Why was the page for The Dark Seldarine on Steamwheedle Cartel deleted on Sept 17? The guild was certainly not disbanded. We are as active as we were on Sept 16th. Is there a way to recover the content without having to type it all in again? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Larswc (talk · contr).

When the only person actively writing on the page removes everything from it and then leaves it like that, it is seen as a request for deletion. So as to not leave blank articles, it was deleted. And yes there is a way to recover the page. I'll restore it's history, but it must continue to follow the guild policy. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:59, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

New Icons

We got someone who specializes in new icons? Apparently Cata build 13117 has some. wowhead. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:03, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I believe g0urra has been taking care of it.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:07, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Durnholde Syndrome

I'm going to ask for your help again in this article the information was collected from this screenshot from cata beta Thanks again--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:43, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Template species

I already removed these because they are not sapient, they are just humanoid shaped animals that form packs, they have no buildings, no tools and behave like beasts in fact some are classified as beasts, which doesn't fit in a template of only sapient beings, and believe me I've been trough about this there are no points that suggests that they are sapient so i'm going to remove them from the template for sapient being because they aren't--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I also want to use this opportunity to ask something do you think I should change Grell from Native to azeroth to Nature and eternals?
they are fey which is a type of nature spirit? but what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:49, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Grell can probably stay were they are since we really don't have too much info on them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:03, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Your reason for removing them makes no sense... lack of buildings, no tools and behave like beasts? They're a primitive society. Know what else is on that template that fits your description: Wildkin, fungal giants, bog beasts. The official description from the bestiary makes them sound sapient enough for me... and there's a reason some packs were classified as beasts. To fulfill the requirements of certain quests in a highly farmed area of its day. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:54, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I'll concede with wildkin not being sapient beings(i think this was a leftover from the old old template before i attempted at changing it) but there are examples of bog beasts(in the wetlands), and fungal Giants(in sporeggar) that talk show concerns and offer quests they might just be one or two but at least they state a precedent for sapient beings of those race, the rockflayers have nothing to prove sapience, they form packs but there's also a bunch of non-sapient animals that also form packs(worgs and talbuk), they have humanoid shape but being humanoid is not condition for being sapient, they tame pet but this is a biological adaptation(trough pheromones) to control ravagers rather than a sapient skill, there is nothing sapient there, also the bestiaries are very loose examples of creature concept very early in development that don't push trough the game and in this case there's no proof of sapient rock flayers in the entire outlands as far as i remember(and nothing in the rockflayer article mentions sapience too so it's not a long stretch)
I'll remove wildkin and rockflayers--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:18, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

New Page

Coobra im starting to stay without time again. So, your miserable snake my dear conrade (just humor), can you review the page "War in Second Sundering" and add more things for now? And add Krenka tribe's languague in Template:languagues? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gabrirt (talk · contr). 16:49, October 5, 2010

The Krenka tribe's language redirects to its own article. It's not notable. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:12, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why is my kitty picture being deleted?

Why is my kitty picture being deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cabernay (talk · contr).

I'm sry... you didn't sign, so I don't know whos asking... nor do I know what picture you're talking about. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Your picture is being deleted since it's unused. If you want to put it on your user page, you're free to add it by typing [[File:WintersaberKitty.jpg|thumb]] on your user page. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:04, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Just copy and past what is blackened ... if you copy the exact code that g0urra used, including the nowiki tags, it won't work. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:30, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Item ID numbers

How do I find out an item's ID when I am entering quest item rewards? I was going to put in the items for the earlier steps on the new Stalvan quest line.

I didn't see the code for the cataclysm stubs which is why I didn't know. Thanks for pointing it out and I"ll keep it in mind for the future.

Thanks Holly (talk · contr)

Class idea

i need help with my do get it fixed? its all in boxes? and how do i get it to the class ideas page under the necromancer? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stormcub12 (talk · contr). 23:05, October 6, 2010

thank you for doing that...altho i would like to know how to do it in the future —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stormcub12 (talk · contr).

You can review this diff to see what Coobra changed. -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 15:36, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Ancients double articles

Well i found this in the religion templateAncients of the Night Elves it seems redundant when we have the Ancient guardian article can i delete the first article and substitute it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:44, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm also thinking of redesigning the religion template, I'll try to propose some examples later--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:45, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well, the first page is a very sparse page about the religion surrounding the creatures documented on latter one. It is not that redundant, just poorly done.--SWM2448 22:56, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well i think it adds nothing that the second article doesn't do better which i think documents the religion too, so i think it's redudant, anyway here's the first sketch of the religion template User:Ashbear160/Religion template redesignTell me if you find anything wrong--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:09, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think i can change much more does anybody have any problems with changing the template of religion to the one i designed?--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:56, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Please delete my account

Please delete my account -Kantoskan Kantoskan (talk) 02:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Accounts are not deleted... if you no longer want to contribute, then just stop using the account. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mercurial elemental ooze thingy

Where is this icon from? the forsaken challenge to kill the unbound elementals? which the last one is the unbound elemental of mercury? is that it or another thing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:57, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mercury elemental. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Yes i saw that after, but i still requested the Unbound mercury elemental icon in the project page, anyway do you have any troubles with the redesign i made for the religion template?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:03, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:08, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Done but i'm still asking for suggestion at SOL--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:51, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


wow i still need to get into the correct terms lol seems that all ur doing is fixing what im messing up and im trying to fix things and some times i will forget to sign and reason 4 edit why because im forget fullComputerdude5000 (talk) 22:04, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, the category system does take time to get used to... and it's ever evolving, so you might think you know something, but it could suddenly change. Anyway, welcome to WoWWiki, and remember... we were all new once before. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:07, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

ok thanks Computerdude5000 (talk) 22:11, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


COOOBRA!!! I'm little angry becouse you bolcked the "Template:Race". I'm not insterested to discount it on you sir, but I did something wrong enoght to I can't edit it more? Why? If I made mistakes can you teach me? I was trying to add the template "Ered'ruin" (with Daemon, Fiend, Dommguard and Doomlord Icons) and become some nervous when I saw: I can't edit my favorite thing in this wiki; Icons! Can I have permission to edit next time? Anser, please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gabrirt (talk · contr). 19:42, October 11, 2010

What?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
I made a section in which you can request additions on it's talk page. But as it's a highly used template it can't be receiving tons of edits. The main purpose of this template is to make it easier to link two or more (but no more than five - which is pushing it) icons and their page, now while it does have singular icons using the {{RaceIconExt}} template is just as effective. Feel free to make requests and an admin most likely a'noob or myself will add them in one edit. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:05, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
Well... I was editing and nothing go wrog... And I cant' edit for myself now... Sniff...
SO, can you show the last edit "Plagued dragonflightPlagued dragonflight Plagued dragonflight" on the visible page of the template? And add "IconSmall Doomlord.gifIconSmall Doomguard.gifIconSmall Terrorguard.gifIconSmall Daemon.gifEred'ruin" for me, please (cute bright eyes look to you... Ohhhh...)?
PS.: Exist Netherwing Spawn icon (if exist Nether Dragonspawn) to add to "Netherwing dragonflight Netherwing dragonflight"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gabrirt (talk · contr). 03:13, October 12, 2010
The Race template's documentation can be freely edited. As for requests, I'll ask that you place them at the place I pointed out. And please start signing your posts with ~~~~. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:37, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
One thing you should know though.. speculated things won't enter. Like, no proof that Daemons are Ered'ruin. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:45, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
I already did that in here
Anyway there's proof daemons are Ered'ruin, in the karazhan chss event daemons are represented by doomguard models so we can assume that they were at last related to doomguards--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:00, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
That's not really proof. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:32, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Dread Pirate Ring

Just wondering why you changed the info back? The Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk) 20:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Unless the patch changed it... I'm pretty sure it still has stats on it. And that's how it appears at level 80. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:00, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Either that or Blizz is playing "games" as that's what it shows in their Armory site. But just in case I'll ask someone next time I get on the game to link me their's The Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk) 21:07, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Yea, wish I could give a first person perspective on this as well. All I have is WoWhead... or until Saturday, when I can physically see it as a reward. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:11, October 13, 2010 (UTC)


Your mean —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Granphaloon (talk · contr). 19:23, October 14, 2010

That's random... next time please sign your "comments" though. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:00, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Cost and Honor Points

I could not get template:costitem to work for the new Honor Points. Maybe it was my usage, but I suspect it was because the Honor Point article does not have an item tool tip since it is non-item currency. Hence using template:currency since it let me specify the image to use. Did I miss something about how to use the costitem template? —MJBurrage(TC) 05:25, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well then... guess we'll need to update the cost template or give the points a tooltip. Which will probably be updated after the move... don't I don't want to hinder the moving process. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:41, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bloody categories

Hi coobra, what's up. I'm sorry if I did something wrong creating the Blood elf quest giver category but I saw racial categories like draneis, goblins, humans, dwarves, gnomes, forsaken, night elves, orcs and tauren ones, that is all the other racial playable characters except blood elves. So, just for curiosity, why blood elves haven't their own category?. You also deleted the "quest giver" category from Lor'themar btw, doesn't he count as a quest giver even though he offers one?. --Killogwil (talk) 04:14, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

The simple answer is, the <racial> quest givers categories were being reverted back to how they once were, which was separate from each other. However, this process was halted till the move was completed. There were many of these types of categories, not just the main races... just so happens the main races were being done last. This also happened with the <racial> quest enders.. which was completed before the move began. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:54, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, I didn't see any discussion or warning about the changes so I just added a few NPCs in case I was doing something wrong to be easily reverted. We do the same in the spanish wiki and really it's more useful so I'll help in the new pages created ;) --Killogwil (talk) 06:14, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm achievements

Reputation achievements/Cataclysm

EEEKKKK! HELP i don't know what i did wrong

Fixed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:04, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

New Sylvanas picture

Hello there, figured I should run this by one of the higher-ups like you first :P

They updated the Hallows end event model for Sylvanas, she appears using her usual form now. I took a screenshot, about on par with last year's one-

Anyway, I figured it would be best to update it. I'm a little inexperienced on the images side of things, so you can use my image if you'd prefer to do update it yourself! All hail the Sin'dorei. (talk) 18:38, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Elemental Page

I'm trying to update the elemental page to make more sense but i'm making it slightly subpar due to my grammar and inability to put trough wikiwords, could you seek what is wrong with it and correct it? ps im still updating the rest--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

wtf... it disappeared....--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Grr added it again see if you can change any of the wording into a better one ps i only changed after the elemental types part--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I've also upgraded the demon, beast, mechanical and uncategorized page if you see anything wrong plz tell me so i can correct it--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Well all of them except the Critter page, anyway i need your help i did quite a mess by adding icons of each colour to the dragonkin page, can you tell me how i do a table/template? like if the columns where dragonflight colours and the lines dragon types?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Not exactly sure why they need to have all the different icons anyway... honest opinion of it... it makes it look cluttered. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
That's why i wanted a table i think it would look better--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I mean for dragonkin page
I know what page you meant, but I couldn't leave the elemental page like that... Not everything needs to have an icon next to it, especially every icon. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:13, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

So fast

Was trying to update a large png (booty bay statue) from png to jpeg, and was learning on the way. You deleted the original before I even managed to ensure the tags from the original were applied to the new image. Now I can't be sure there wasn't information lost. Suggestion: give poeple a couple of minutes to finish what they started. It will feel more inviting, and they will learn more. JoshuaRodman (talk) 03:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

You did everything you needed to do. I check things before I delete them and you were good. Hence the deletion. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Some race icon notes

Various notes about the race icons

Could you put a icon with theradras model as a earth princess icon? and turn Air lord into a air prince icon?
I hope you don't mind but i changed all the oozes to elemental section there's a quest that after study calls them elementals with relations to the old gods
I added a tol'vir subsection even if it has only one entry(for now)
I noticed the word enchanted in anubisath making so now i think they are examples of magical animations, but i'm not sure, what do you think, i don't want them to be a special case?

--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Why? Just use her icon if you need it. And Why?
What quest?
K... cept that Obsidian destroyers are not humanoids... so they should be placed back where they were. On second thought, I guess they can stay, if only to keep them together with the new icons soon to be uploaded.
They are magically animated statues, but they're fine where they are since they are still classified as Uncategoried.

--Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

H [56] ... and a Batch of Ooze This is also proven further in that one i deepholme where that guys that eats oozes turns into a elemental, i also prefer if i keep oozes together, and put mercury in the other because it fits with the fact they are other not-so-sure-that-are-elementals like murmur, i prefer to keep it organized like: 4 classical elements, conglomerate, nature, construct, ooze and other--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Other is fine for singular things, but if something contains more than one type of creature/icon, it should get it's own subsection... as for the deepholm quest of that guy eating mercury oozes doesn't prove anything for normal oozes... given that quests in Grizzly Hills and a few other places it could be possible that the oozes originate from Old Gods, but Bliz also uses the Oozes for many purposes, from blood, to spit, to oil and everything in between. As a whole, they are uncategorized. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


Subjects\Assuntos (portuguese):

1: Languague to add in Template:Language links: Pandaren.
Obs.: Why not to show:
Murlocs and Makrura | Nerglish (in one box)

2: Wrong predefinitions (Gourra removed my edits in your page):

Consortium Tabard.jpg This user's characters display neutrality, having at least one for each race, no matter the faction.

(Note (Friendly and Critic): Where is your human, orc or dwarf?)

Ui-charactercreate-classes druid.pngUi-charactercreate-classes hunter.pngUi-charactercreate-classes mage.pngUi-charactercreate-classes paladin.pngUi-charactercreate-classes priest.pngUi-charactercreate-classes demonhunter.png This user has at least one character of each class. Ui-charactercreate-classes rogue.pngUi-charactercreate-classes shaman.pngUi-charactercreate-classes warlock.pngUi-charactercreate-classes warrior.pngUi-charactercreate-classes deathknight.pngUi-charactercreate-classes monk.png

(Note (Friendly, but Critic): Where is your warrior, paladin and priest?)

3:Dragonmaw clanDragonmaw clan Dragonmaw clan?! WTH?! Gray orcs\Dark orcs\Gray-skinned orcs aren't exclusive to Dragonmaw! The Dark Horde, also The Cult of the Danmed (may be undead) and may other organizations have this orcs... May be necessary a new article about it.
See my corruption scale (0 to 10):

Brown orc - 0,0000001
Green demon-free orc - 2,5
Green demon-aligned orc - 5
Gray\Dark orc (probabily orcs who was demon-aligned or\and bloodthristy and still worsiping demons indirectly or fel orc who are regreding in the scale) - 7,5
Fel Orc - 9,9999999

(For me no one is completely or not a bit corrupted)

May the scale fail with this:
Sacred spiritist ecological honorific mercyful wise orc - (- 10³) in the scale
Fel tainted twisted wretched wrathful evilful destructive dire orc - :
English : OH! It's over 9000!!!!!
(U.S.A. Vegeta don't learn to count...)
Portuguese: AHHHR! É de mais de 8000!!!!

4: I'm triyng to remember... In time...
(Gabrirt (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC))

I'll try to make sense of everything you just said...
1. Pandaren added, as for the murlocs and makrura not sharing a box... one race, one box.
2. As the header of that section states... I only listed notable ones. I'm not going to list every character I have had or currently use.
3. Did I ever claim grey orcs were exclusive to the Dragonmaw? No, it's just a simple name for an icon like Mag'har is.
--Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Future race ideas

I've planned some changes there i removed the grey info parts and added it added it below with a * below, I'm also thinking of somekind of point thing but i'll give it more thought later is there any problems with this?--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I was thinking of doing something a little different, just never got around to it, but merging like that would probably confused some readers. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Why the info part is supposed to be an note to that particular argument isn't it? anyway what to you think of a point system to see how probable is each race like dark green gives one point orange takes one point, sum it all up probable points, and then alliance points-horde points=positive it has more probability of being aliance negative has more probability of being horde?

what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok then, how about a third option.. putting the additional info with the main topic, but making it gray and without a bullet point. Also keeping Legend so it shows what the gray means. Would you think this is acceptable? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes since it doesn't take another square to put counter arguments or extra argument--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Rank tables!

O hais! Fancy seeing you here.

So I'm a bit confused and need of help. I'm going around seeing all these random spells with rank tables in them and, obviously, in the current live version (and future Cataclysm) ranks for all spells have been removed and now there is "one scaling spell". So, I read Help:Updating for Cataclysm to see if it could answer whether or not these ranks should be removed or not. It would seem to make sense to remove the rank tables from ability pages and the only thing I could find on the help page about it was to add {{Rfg-section}} to the section concerned, but I feel like that's not enough and it should be removed in its entirety from a page.

Thoughts? -- Typhoneus Talk Contribs 14:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

(P.S. do you know your "Leave a comment" plate at the top? It's redirecting to WoWWiki)

Fixed the leave a comment. Please see Forum:Replacing rank tables for an active discussion on this. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 15:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Typhoneus Talk Contribs 15:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikifying the Vote Kick page.


New user! I saw the Vote Kick page had the Wikify template, and so made a few changes. Since you're the person that put the template there, could you take a quick look and see if it conforms to a higher standard? If not, what sort of thing needs to be done to improve it? I'm planning to add some pictures of the feature when I have time tomorrow to get into a group and take some screenshots.

Thanks! --Aldor Celuur (Talk page | Contribs) 06:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Noob welcome message is broken. It may take a bot to fix it

Hi Cobra. Thanks for posting a welcome message on my (reclaimed) user page...

...assuming that was not done by a welcome bot. ;-)

I noticed that the welcome text actually includes references to WoWWiki, so it needs a fix. I hit the edit button, assuming I could surf over to a template and fix it myself, but unfortunately the entire text of the welcome message seems to have been imported onto my page.

(I am assuming it is a template that has been copied and pasted from WoWWiki, as I don't think it is the sort of mistake a person normally makes, if they write something like that by hand.)

I think what needs to happen is:

  • The welcome message needs to be updated, as soon as possible, so that new welcome posts say 'Wowpedia' instead of 'WoWWiki' and
  • Some sort of bot needs to be programmed to surf around User:Talk pages looking for welcome message text to edit.

I don't know where the welcome template would be. And my knowledge of bot programming is 100 percent theoretical.

Are you able to fix this (or pass it onto someone else who can fix it)?

(I am going to leave the page as is - mistakes included - so you can see what it looks like.)

David Shepheard (talk) 17:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: It looks like this is an old welcome that you gave me before the move. Sorry for not noticing. I still think there is a problem that needs looking at, but it might not be the same problem I thought it was before. David Shepheard (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Every page, including user and user talk pages were copied over... I don't believe we have a bot setup to replace the original welcome message for older users to the updated message that new users will be receiving. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to talk to me Cobra. And thanks for editing my message. You guys must be mega-busy with the move. I don't think you could do these one talk page at a time! ;-) David Shepheard (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


You've probably been asked this a million times already, but is WoWWiki going to eventually shut down and redirect to WoWPedia? Sarvam (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

It will probably not shutdown... though... it may be removed as an official fansite in time. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikia will likely keep WoWWiki up until they can no longer profit from it. I doubt it will ever become a redirect. The fansite thing may be true (hopefully, as long as we gain the status).--SWM2448 03:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

'This user has reclaimed their user page'?

Any chance we could get a button, category or other thing to show that people have reclaimed their account, since the move? I think it would help people work out what users were real users, rather than shadow pages of WoWWiki users who are not here yet?

Also, is there any way to work out statistically, how many people have actually reclaimed their account? I'm thinking of setting up a page for Wowpedia on WikiIndex, and (from their point of view) it would probably be statistically interesting, to work out how large a faction has moved across (or how fast WoWWiki account holders are reclaiming their accounts here).

(WikiIndex is a wiki about other wikis, what they do, how big they are and how popular they are, so how many pages you have here, or how popular pages are - they call it a wikiFactor - is of interest to them.)

I haven't set up the WikiIndex page for this wiki yet, as I'm still trying to understand the implications of the fork. From one point of view, this is the same project that existed before it merged into Wikia. From another point of view it has a different name, so could be seen as a different project. I've left messages with a couple of WikiIndex admins to ask for their advise on how your new-but-old wiki should be presented over there. David Shepheard (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... maybe we could tag users that have a created userpage, have not reclaimed their account.. you should bring this up in the forums and see if we can get opinions or comments of doing what you've suggested by other users. But as of right now, we don't have plans for that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Does the image exist or not?

The other day I was having a jolly fun time uploading images and editing articles. I guess the edits somewhat improved Wowpedia, but what do you know - the images were already uploaded! As SWM brought me the horrible news I realized it'd been nifty if there was a method to figure out whether an image is uploaded on Wowpedia or not. As you seem to be the guy handling images, could you tell me if such a feature exist, or in any case come up with a solution? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 20:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Finding an image based on what it contains? I don't think there's a true way to search based on that, only way I know of is either by file names (which is why we try to get users to name images related to the content) or by looking through articles it could be on. SWM noticed the duplicates, but I go through soo many images it didn't occur to me, that I've seen them before... So I'm sure duplicates can be found all the time, sometimes unless the wiki tells you it's a duplicate, you may not realize it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


WHY THE HELL DID U DELETE MY PAGE. WTF DUDE. UR A JERK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jammy (talk · contr).

Cause deleting a redirect is deleting your page... which was already moved by another user to its correct location. Getting bent out of shape over our policies will not help you here. Please sign your rants in the future using 4 tildes (~), thank you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Referencing Question

Coobra, when you get a spare moment - can you make sure i did the referencing properly on Rated_battlegrounds? and let me know if their was anything i left out? Still learning and want to ensure im doing it properly Human Paladin Loremaster Mosios (Gossipgossipicon.png Bindergossipicon.png) 02:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me, only thing I can think to comment on is that since there's so few references, you don't need to add a 2 to the {{reflist}} template. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:41, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. :) Human Paladin Loremaster Mosios (Gossipgossipicon.png Bindergossipicon.png) 02:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Just one more question - What is the best way to get images for pages [such as NPC portraits] if i cant find one on this site? Do i just take a screenshot and crop it, or is their a better way? Human Paladin Loremaster Mosios (Gossipgossipicon.png Bindergossipicon.png) 04:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
The best way is to take a screenshot from in-game, making sure to highlight the subject (so it's not too dark), then crop and upload. The only other way would be to borrow a screenshot from wowhead. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired


I just wanted to solicit your opinion on whether Instancefooter should replace {{Dungeons}}} or not.


IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 06:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

File: Xodyaq1.png

I have uploaded a compressed version, could you remove the oversize tag? Thanks. Alliance 15.gifXodyaq talkIconSmall Warlock.gif 23:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I think i broke something

Hey Coobra, could you help me, i think i broke something. i tried to move Once More, With Eeling (2) to N [30-35] Once More, With Eeling due to the reason listed here Talk:Once More, With Eeling (original) but it wont let me and says i need to contact an administrator. Human Paladin Loremaster Mosios (Gossipgossipicon.png Bindergossipicon.png) 15:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 15:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Images

Hi, this is in response to your message about my oversized images:

How can I fix them? To be perfectly honest, it's not that I need them big (on the contrary, on my page, they show up as only, to my belief, 200px width or 300px height, and as for File:Lohomoko.png, as only 400px), so I would be fine if you could reduce them. I'm not entirely sure with all of this layout (going from Monaco to the odd wikia look to this comfortable design is kinda throwing me off), so if you could help me, I would appreciate it, and if you reverted their sizes to a more... well... sizable option, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance. Strength and honor,

Juan Jose Rodriguez (talk) 21:29, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much, I appreciate it! :D

Juan Jose Rodriguez (talk) 22:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Updating for cata

Ok. It's right if I write it also in the intro or its' better to avoid it? --Forco (talk) 12:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

It's better to just avoid it, though you can change the tense from present to past if you like. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. --Forco (talk) 10:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the response - I was unsure of how we defined 'added' i.e added to the game but not implemented (in the files), or added to the game and implemented. I'll change the articles I've added to reflect the later (Patch 4.0.3a) Cheers. Wren (talk) 08:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 08:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I propuse this edit to update the template

Faction Icons

I was wondering if you could make more faction icons like this one Alliance but for the main enemy faction of the expansion, currently 2 which have defined icons(since i don't know what the heck happened in the Burning crusade), the Scourge and the Twilight Hammer, just those 2--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The Main enemy factions only:

Twilights Hammer crest.jpg ScourgeCrest.jpg ...Pictures too big if anybody knows how to make them smaller plz fix it...

--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Not exactly sure why they would be needed... only reason Scryers and Aldor got them was because you could align yourself or be hostile with them. Whereas the Scourge and Twilight members would always be hostile, for the most part. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Can you make them? It's annoying having to use neutral icons to represent the big bad factions of the expansion--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
If someone will do this not forget the Illidari... (I never see a standard of the Burning Legion): Illibanner.jpg

After if you want to undertand what happened in "WoW: TBC" see Invasion of Outland(Gabrirt (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC))

Hell you Coobra!

I and my friend adore you as a diety. "lying quietly in awe with my forehead against the floor". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Teonod (talk · contr).

Hmm... time for a sacrificial gnome. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The coobra-god has spoken. I will make a Gnome and kill him in your name. Teonod

Thousand Needles

Did you want me to cite sources when adding that information? The revert button is usually reserved for vandals... Needle in a Haystack (talk) 07:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It's an unneeded comment and completely irrelevant. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

heirloom shouder chants

can also use aldor/scryer chants on heirloom shoulders —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doug105 (talk · contr).

No clue, probably not. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick question, sorry to bother you.

Would you mind me using your charcter page for your Night Elf Hunter as a template for my own character in game, I'm not a RPer but I like creative writing and would like permission to both use the page as a template and the permission to add the page in general.

Many thanks Extractum (talk · contr)--Paladin-General of Stormwind 11:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Frontal view

Hello! I've seen the better image requests. I can take another one for Sergeant Houser without problems, but Alyssa Blaye and Travist Bosk (as well as Eldin Partridge) are close facing the practice dummies, and I think it will be difficult to obtain a better image. Anyhow, I'll try. Bye :) --Forco (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I knew there had to be reason. If you can get better shots, thank you, if it's not possible go ahead and remove the cleanup tag and state in the edit summary something like, "not possible". Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:53, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Done for Sergeant Houser; in the file page I still see the old image, while in the NPC's page I see the new one, and I don't understand why. For the other three, I think that's the better I can do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Forco (talk · contr).
It does that occasionally. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 16:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


Hello! I have just a question: after the removal of many characters from wow, from their pages have been removed all the categories, like in this case. I have a doubt: in the case of Hydraxis have been removed the quest givers category (and that's fine, because he gives no more quests), the azshara NPCs category (also correct, he's no more present in azshara) and also the water elementals category. This one left me puzzled, because he's still a water elemental, even if he's no more present in-game. It would be like removing, for example, Oakwidow from the night elf category because she's not present in-game, or not? The same with Bale, and so on... --Forco (talk) 16:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I will refer you to Forum:NPCs removed from game. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Mmm, ok. It doesn't convince me, but it doesn't matter. If the decision was that one, for me it's fine. Thanks :) --Forco (talk) 23:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Image problems

I tried to update a photo and for some reason i ended up with the older version and not the new one. The Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

That happens occasionally. It will fix itself in time. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Well anyways. I was putting some updated photos and seen that before. The Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Ironforge Airport map

You tagged File:Ironforge-Airport.jpg as being a policy violation, but left no explanation that I could find. What is the problem? —MJBurrage(TC) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

While I know the place is easily accessible by flying mount and a specific flight path, I believe that detailing the path that players can take that involved exploiting the world environment is still against our policy. That is why it's marked as a possible violation and not just deleted. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
How is it an exploit if anyone can walk the path shown? No add-ons, macros, etc. are required, just jumping over obstacles. —MJBurrage(TC) 23:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
To even start the path one would have to exploit the starting point.... the rest of it may require no effort, but the beginning does. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
How is jumping forward, and then jumping forward again from where you landed an exploit? —MJBurrage(TC) 23:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
It was an exploit prior to the cataclysm and an exploit now. I'm not going to argue about this. Nothing has changed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not trying to be argumentative, I really don't see how it is an exploit. Did Blizzard state this was an exploit? How is it any different than getting to Foggy MacKreel? —MJBurrage(TC) 23:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Cause he was intended to get to. Jumping down and climbing a mountain are two different things. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Where does it say that jumping in the mountains is considered an exploit? (real question, again not trying to be argumentative) —MJBurrage(TC) 23:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Unused files

Since you seem to be the person who handles this most, please let me know and my apologies if there are any I left behind. Maybe some day I will be experienced enough and seek admin rights so I can clean up after myself. (Or I could just not be so messy in the future.) Thanks. --Bellocois (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I placed that template just to keep track of the ones that weren't being link to on your page or their own articles. If you do find an image not being used just mark it for speedydelete. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:01, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

I've always loved the work of the major contributors and I just want to say "thank you" for helping me clean up the articles I've been adding over the past week. I've just been snapping screenshots of every NPC I come across and slowly getting around to adding them as time permits. I always go back and look at the fixes you put in for me and it helps me learn about style and "where stuff goes." Hopefully, one of these days, I'll have a good enough hang of this that I won't leave you so much work to do. Anyways, thanks again for your patience and work. John Yithnal (talk) 16:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Count link

Just pointing out, the Count link on your user page links to the "evil wiki who shall not here be named"

Have bright sun shining day!

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 08:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

heh, forgot about that. Thank you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

How do you do Warcraft 2 screenshots without crosshatching on minimap?

Hi, I saw your File:Beetle_Island.jpg (compare to one of my screenshots: and was wondering, how do you do Warcraft 2 screenshots of the minimap without the crosshatching/fine grid put over on the minimap of areas not currently visible to make them darker?

Even when I use the cheat (press enter type 'showpath' then enter again, that one) it just displays all of the map and stuff that isn't currently being 'seen' by one of your people is greyed out/crosshatched out on the minimap. So not sure how you took that screenshot? Thanks for any info :)

Might be good to post the info on the wiki for others so it's common knowledge, especially if you know how to do the same for the other games like Warcraft 1/3 etc! I have only just been trying them out cos I was curious about the background story behind world of warcraft --Kittymew (talk) 12:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It's been a long time since I uploaded that... I don't even know if I copied it from a badly named file or from Either way, I didn't personally take the image. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Scout Galiaan and friends

I had put the Cataclysm shots in separate locations so the old ones would still be accessible. I can see the logic of what you did since the old version is in the file history, but it still seems more logical to have something we can link directly to and say "This is what the character looked like before Cataclysm." Not that the specifics of Named Guard #439's page matter in the long run, but still. --Bellocois (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

If it was a completely new model or completely different look, then I'd say yes, keep an old image to see, but when the only difference is they added a tabard... that's not enough to keep both files. The image history can be viewed if users want to see them without the tabard. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

While I'm here, you tagged some images for deletion that are linked from my user page as being part of my (extended) to-do list. I did upload a bunch recently that I didn't create pages for or link to as needing pages, but I plan to remedy that in the next 24 hours or so. --Bellocois (talk) 03:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh no no, that is not the speedy delete tag. That is simply an unused image marker. I use it to keep track of images that are currently not being used in articles. It's also another way for users to see if articles are needed, by seeing there's an image in need of an article. I would never delete those. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey, just wanted to get your opinion on Talk:Archbishop Benedictus about whether or not the "he staged a coup" note from patch 1.4.1 should be considered lore or not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding my 2 cents. Coobra could you vote in Category talk:Patch templates, regarding the change of icon in Cataclysm Patch templates. I would be very grateful:) IconSmall BloodElf2 Male.gif Encaitar (DiscussionDeeds) 22:17, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Where are they now?

Just hit upon the Where are they now? section of your user site, and it's the most comprehensive of its type so far. I've posted my own MIA lists on the usual forums before, and had been thinking of compiling one myself. In the meantime, I got a response from a GM ticket regarding another MIA character, Arko'narin. — Deepred (talk) 04:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh nice =). Did you get a screenshot of the conversation to be used as a reference in case anyone contests it? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:03, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Indeed I did. I can upload it on request. — Deepred (talk) 06:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

You could probably put this in the main space under an appropriate title, whatever that may be. It has the potential to draw significant attention in the way Horde bias unintentionally did when I created it. Actually, now that I mention that page, it's probably best that you don't move it, let alone let the forums near it. (Kidding. Sort of! :-P) --Bellocois (talk) 08:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Heh.. well I started off wanting to do this during the beta... but after getting into finally doing it... I saw that they were still leaving many NPCs out (to be added later) and with the phasing, I wouldn't be able to just fly through zones looking for specific things.. I'd have to quest through the zones. But new toons come after older toons... so eventually I'll get back to this. I'd just prefer to being able to control it on my userspace, rather than letting it run rampant like Horde/Alliance bias =P. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 08:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

User Templates (?)

Not sure if I titled the headline right or not. However I was wondering where I would be able to find more of the

Horde This user plays as a member of the Horde.

objects. I've forgotten the URL and haven't been able to find it on WoWPedia --Alindaloran (talk) 10:52, January 12, 2010

You can look at all "User*" templates hereEGingellTC Treader of Cenarion Circle 09:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Admiral Nightwing

I said in the summary he needed to be renamed to Admiral Nightwind. Hallowseve (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Admiral Nightwind already existed, hence it's deletion. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Class thing

It has to be consistent with playable races like the night elves. They have the WoW classes at the top.--Atomos (talk) 01:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
And Highborne elves are actually playable so they should count.--Atomos (talk) 01:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Tinkering (Engineering)

I am moved to mirth... having had the page I created turned into a redirect, then deleted to make way for the page it was directing to. I guess I am confirmed in my guess as to the correctness of my choice of name. Smiley.gif --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Aye. I didn't realize Tinkering (Engineering) had also just been made, thought Tinkering (engineering) was a duplicate, but it is the correct name. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Ayup. Someone ELSE had made Tinkering (Engineering) by the time I came along. And by george, they must have been making it at about the same time I was making mine! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
According to the logs, Grynd starting making the page 3hrs or so before you. =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Old Mammoth

Heya, could you possibly move the article "Last Weeks Mammoth" to "Last Week's Mammoth"? I know it's only a minor typo, but I still find it somewhat annoying. WoWpedia might be more "human-made" than WoW-databases such as Wowhead which digs data directly, but it should still be on par with it when it comes to names! Also, if possible, it'd be nifty if you could make "Last Weeks Mammoth" redirect to the new page. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey Coobra, the War against Deathwing article is constantly changed to include Malfurion as an Alliance commander, while he actually doesn't take part in the conflict similar to Lady Liadrin, Hamuul Runetotem, Varok Saurfang or even Thrall who are not listed. Could you please visit Talk:War against Deathwing and discuss. I really think he doesn't fit there, as he is more neutral as leader of Cenarion Circle (just like the 4 Horde commanders who simply do not take part in the war eventhough they're in the Horde). Thanks in advance IconSmall BloodElf2 Male.gif Encaitar (DiscussionDeeds) 20:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Well he's not exactly the neutral leader but the alliance representative of the cenarion circle--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Sapient race templates

Ugh i'm sorry if i complain too much but it seems gourra doesn't know that the sapient templates are made to fit certain things and he's changing the templates to fit the name of the article, which PCJ named it wrong...--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for being annoyance, but i really took a long time to arrange the templates--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


Should i change

"Among the tauren the Forsaken found a champion in Magatha Grimtotem, who argued in favor of the alliance between the two peoples and who continues to work closely with them. Magatha claims she merely wants to aid the Forsaken in their quest to redeem themselves, although there are many who believe her true motives to be something very different and much less innocent."

with newer source:

"The kind-hearted tauren of Thunder Bluff proved to be the most promising contact. Specifically, Archdruid Hamuul Runetotem saw the potential for redemption in Sylvanas’ people, even though he was fully aware of the Forsaken’s sinister nature. Thus, the tauren convinced Warchief Thrall, despite his misgivings, to forge an alliance of convenience between the Forsaken and the Horde."

Because in Cata Grimtotem and forsaken Relations made no Reference at all The quests could possibly has been retcon and blizzard website changed it from magtha to Hamuul.--Forsakenlord (talk) 22:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't they both have argued in favor of them... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

could be however with shattering magtha never called the forsaken to aid her against baine bloodhoof instead asking garrosh aid + forsaken info from new website + No Reference made between the forsaken and Grimtotem + Grimtotem never sought the forsaken aid + Grimtotem Allied with Alliance (forsaken hatred enemy)= retcon? --Forsakenlord (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Wowpedia/World of Warcraft Acheivements thingy or wutever its called

how do you keep those doohickies in a straight column??????Itsuki624 (talk) 06:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit my page and copy the code the same way you did before... just take all of it, rather than portions. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I was only editing to find out how to make the pictures,I didn't copy it.And how do you do that snake tail thing?? would i make a thingy for preferring the Horde over the Alliance?Itsuki624 (talk) 07:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

Never mind about the signature.I already got that done.IconSmall Unholy Rune.png Itsuki624 (talk contribs) 21:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

Just 4get it all because I have an even liking of races in the factions.I like 3 of the Horde and 3 from the AllianceIconSmall Unholy Rune.png Itsuki624 (talk contribs) 23:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

In fact,I used those 6 to make my own small faction.I'm making a userbox for it,but im having problems with the pics.IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Itsuki624 (talk contribs Lord of the Elves) 09:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

Guardian of Ancient kings

Could you make an article for the creature instead of the ability? plz--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

plz?--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome to. I wouldn't know what to put. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
No i mean i don't know how to make an article separate the creature from the ability do i add something to the name of the article or something?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
What do you want to call the creature? The same exact thing as the ability? If so, use lower case for the race. Guardian of ancient kings .Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You know, it needs something. Like any lore at all.--SWM2448 22:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
That would help too... it's why I never bothered with making a page for them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Well i originally planned so i could remove a spell(with all it's spells things) from sapient species template, but then i remeber that they haven't shown any proof of being sapient, i still want to the article but there's not much lore either--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Mountfooter changes

I would like to see a couple of changes to the Mountfooter subpages:

  1. Skeletal Horse mounts - currently Mountfooter/Skeletal lists the category as "skeletal", which is already stretched to include the ebon blade DK mount. It absolutely breaks when you include the raptor. There are too many Skeletal Horses specifically to break that category that way. I would see them moved to Unique for now.
  2. I would see all the sub-page mount links re-jiggered to remove the icons. The icons are only useful if there's a distinct difference, and for the most part there isn't one.

Rather than ask forgiveness, I thought I would ask your opinion on them first. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Just telling the opinion, 'cuz i'm editing mount pages a bit nowadays and i agree that fossilized raptor and dk mount need to be put in some other category, but i'm not sure that it's needed to get rid of icons. Drdead (talk) 23:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:azeroth aliens

In a fit nonsensical incoherence caused by a admin, i changed the name to a extensive "enciclopedical" name i want to change it back but the thing doesn't let me, can you help?Template:Sapient species alien to Azeroth to Template:Azeroth aliens--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:22, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Alliance Sidebar

Hey there Coobra, i'm trying to keep the pages clean and up to date, i just see Gabrirt post anything on side bars thinking anyone can be on there without a reason or role they have to be up and just throws up anything in the Alliance up there, Hope you understand im doing the edits for the good of the pages and everyone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArbiterX122591 (talk · contr).

Just for the record i removed the titles from the leaders because:
A)They're bloating the template
B)They're unnecessary since you can click on the link and see their title
--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Someone removed all the race icons from the alliance page before you protected it... could you add them back?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
(Inserting) To what icons are you referring? The infobox is full of them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
And substitute this
  • The children of Cenarius, work closely with the night elves throughout Kalimdor.
    • Some Frost nymphs of Stars' Rest
      • Some Frost nymphs are within the Alliance, the most notable is Sarendryana.
  • The children of Cenarius, work closely with the night elves.
That's it if you can--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Ashbear160 i love how you really fixed up the side bars and made them stand out :) Hope you got some more great ideas and continue to protect the page like me, Admins can't be everywhere up to us to keep them clean for them.--ArbiterX122591 (talk) 23:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Quite the hypocrite since you reverted the same type of edit. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I personally think the Admins, should lock the Alliance & Horde Pages and have someone in the adminstration, play around with those posts and have pple submit info, so there is only accurate information. Spam or inaccruate is turned away —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArbiterX122591 (talk · contr).

If I had the time, I would... but I don't so I won't. The article has gotten out of hand, and I tried to help repair before, but I can't monitor it daily and protecting the page forever is against the spirit of the wiki. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

As much as I hate to be the bad guy, I banned Ashbear160 for three days. This was getting out of hand.--SWM2448 00:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not arguing or anything, but my point of view never thought Ashbear160 was doing anything wrong, he seemed to always make the Sidebar look more clean, standout and look alot better. I think Gabrirt should get a major ban for the Alliance and Horde Pages cause he seemed to always just throw anything on the page and so many people including Coobra and myself had to reapir what he did and he continued over and over. and should i get a Minior or Major Ban whatever you choose, cause were i have always un-done his posts everytime i seem he had edited and thats against the rules of the Wiki, but did for the good of the page. We are the only two who seem to fight and argue over stuff on the page and we didnt recieve any bans and most of problem was infact us .. so i will leave it to you Admins on your decisions. comment was added by ArbiterX122591 (talk · contr).

Digsite Map template

So... What is your plan for a) zones with more than one digsite in them? b) zones with overlapping digsites? With {{Digsite Map}} you've kinda put an end to any further digsite maps I'd put up. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I been slowly taking images of the maps with digsites and merging them together so only 1 map image with highlights would be needed. Then with that template each spot can be pointed to and placed on the zone article. It's slow going cause I haven't been focused on the profession. Once I get a complete zone with several digsite, the example will look better. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
If you are merging maps to get useful composites, would it help if I sent you my maps? (The which, I need point out, I carefully made while having but one dig site live per map...) I put cropped versions up as the "digsite map.jpg" files. Hmm... If you're making composites, you can probably just use relevant segments from the images I uploaded. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I still have doubts about the utility of the project on zones that have overlapping dig sites (Dire Maul and Isilden (feralas), Auchindon (Nagrand), Ruins of Thaurissan (Burning Steppes)). --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I thought about using your images to speed this along, but decided that would be probably just make it more difficult, since not only would have to match them up perfectly, but also might have to resize them to fit the resolution I use. I've found it just easier to take all the screenshots collected when I get the random digsite and merge the images with a couple of clicks and points. Though I might just try anyway since my randomness of digsites is constantly sending me to Felwood... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:50, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I may well have documented all of some zones' digsites individually, I do not know. If I have, you could ask for a full screenshot for calibration purposes. Would save you creating them all anew in that limited case. And ... you have much better image editing tools than I do. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 01:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Question page and a petty thing

Can i create a question page based on this thread, just to see if i can gather a larger number of questions on this page? if i can, can you just give the name you think it's best?

The petty thing is that i cannot remove the spaces between leaders and races in the infoboxes of the horde and the alliance, it wouldn't be a problem if it was in all of them, the problem is that some have spaces and other do not --Ashbear160 (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

If you want, I think Scrolls of Lore is doing a pretty good job at it. I would make a forum post, under Warcraft Lore, rather than make an article... as for the name Dev Lore Questions would work fine. As for the infobox issue... don't think there is much you can do about that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I would prefer if it wasn't a forum page, because i want people to improve each other questions if possible, add points to the question or just rephrase it better--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Would probably get more attention if on the forum, than a randomly named article. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
It's just that in the forum, we can't change each other questions to improve them, in a article we can, and also to divide the discussion from the actual questions would be useful too--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Well i don't have time to set it up now that the round 2 started :P, anyway is there any page that has the Dev Lore answers saved and if not can i create one?--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Ask CDev.--SWM2448 02:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks I guess we'll put round 2 below?--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
User:Ashbear160/CDev Questions Here's the example i just need to find a way to do a format and i think it's good enough--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the format is very good but i have no further ideas, anyway what do you think, and can i turn it into a project page(i figured a project page would be a better page for a page with rules)?i also posted one question as a example of the format--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I had a few ideas for this the other night, but forgot to write it down... I'll take a look at your example and get back to you in a bit. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:21, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Err... so what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
It's a good start, but I'm thinking about more details and adding a rating system as well. More on this later though. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmm how would a rating system work?--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
A vote under every question? I personally do not like arbitrary rules unless absolutely necessary.--SWM2448 17:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes i know it's with votes but i'm asking about the specific code--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
{{Vote}}? Though I do not see why someone could not just ask them all in the presumed next round.--SWM2448 20:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Well in scrolls of lore it was done because some people prefer only to post the most popular questions

No matter... it's not a voting system, simply a way to see how many users/players have a strong desire to know. I believe I have finished the layout for it, see User:Coobra/CDev questions. However, I'm undecided on which route to go with for the stars...

  1. Template:Rating/doc - Displays 5 full silver stars before switching to gold.
  2. Template:Rating/dev/doc - Starts with one star from gray to gold, before going to star number 2.

Number 2 will allow for easy expansion should more than 20 like the question, but I'm not sure if the style of it is that great. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

You're good just one comment, you should add a Object sub-section While there are little questions in the scrolls of lore thread, it needs to be separated from Other--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Also this part should be added this bit of info
"Warcraft community to the Creative developers,"
Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I prefer Template:Rating/doc
I prefer Template:Rating/doc too
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Very well, that was my first choice as well. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
When we can start adding questions?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
It has been moved, feel free to. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I see questions there that have already been asked in Ask CDev round two. Why is this?--SWM2448 01:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
They weren't answered yet? only when the questions gets answered is when they are removed, that's what's stated in the removing guidelines, also could anyone that has a wow account point people in the story forums to this article plz?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
If Blizzard's CDev team is feeling strangely generous, then it may become necessary to overhaul the article to avoid redundancy with answers that we will have gotten. All unanswered questions could be copied at a later date, as Blizzard did not delete the questions from last time immediately, they just un-stickied them. I could post a link to it on the Story Forums, if someone else does not do it first. I still think that it is a bit early.--SWM2448 01:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Last time it took a month this time i think it will take longer (more questions and all that shazz), besides i'm not adding the entire gigantic list i made on scrolls of lore, just those that interest me, just adding a little clutter so the article doesn't look so nude, i also think i'm doing this a bit too early but there are already people doing round 3 pratice runs (at least one guy stated to be doing that.)--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Only posting your questions seems selfish. Also, clutter for the sake of clutter is stupid. I suppose I should post it on the Forum, if no one else has... unless it really is Rag's line. I may regret asking this, but why are there practice runs?--SWM2448 01:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't only post my questions, i post other questions the reason i post lots of mine is because, i was originally interested in them so i saved them, some of them i'm still interested, and i post them, some of them i'm not and i don't post them, also it's not just clutter for clutter sake, i'm genuinely interested in them.
why there are practice runs, i don't know, maybe to help people to not post stupid questions, it seems to be motivated by Omgdruid
also Rag's line? i don't get it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I took "i'm not adding the entire gigantic list i made on scrolls of lore, just those that interest me" as only posting questions that you have. If other people on Scrolls of Lore have other questions, then they should be saved too. If I misinterpreted, then I am sorry. I do not know about any "practice runs" but I will still post it anyway. "Rag's line" refers to Ragnaros yelling "TOO SOON!" It was a meme before there were mountains to remember people from! I dislike explaining jokes. EDIT: There I posted it (unless Blizzard takes it down). Now stop bugging me. EDIT (again): Hmmm... Omgdruid says that you stole his idea... what am I to make of that?--SWM2448 04:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Lol if you want you can tell him that i had have a dev lore question thread on the scrolls of lore forums since 07-04-2010, 01:11 AM,, lol...
At that moment i wasn't posting many questions, just some to fill the thread a little--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Metzen Possibly answered questions

No confirmations really, but if it's fake it's a VERY GOOD faker--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC) (NSFW)

Besides an old forum post and a 4chan thread that you have to be logged in to see, I think that you mean this.--SWM2448 16:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Tell me why, exactly, we're giving any credence whatsoever to something posted on 4chan? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Who is "we"?--SWM2448 18:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes you're link is much better, DTZ the point is that it's either metzen, or a very good impersonator, the emphasis on "Very good"--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
And given the source, I find the likelihood of it actually being Metzen to be infinitesimally small. It's not difficult for a good writer to impersonate someone in text. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
It's still doesn't stop it from being very very good, i don't think this is metzen, but the probability is not infinitesimally small, or improbable--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
*shrug* Believe what you will, then. Ultimately, what matters is that 4chan isn't a trustworthy source, so none of it is going on Wowpedia. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Never suggested that, probably going to archive it somewhere with my username tag--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I was bored User:Ashbear160/Archive--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Gilneas Gallery

It will take me more time to upload all the small versions.Please do not delete all the ones I didn't reupload yet if I didn't finish till Sunday(Tommorow).IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 19:44, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

At long last,my great gilneas gallery is finished!!!! IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 23:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Photo Issue

I'm having a problem with the file Aesindor.jpg,think you can help me? IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 13:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing the issue was resolved, since the file does not exist. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Old maps?

While editing some articles I thought of how it would be nifty to use old world maps to compare old and new content. However, I can't seem to find them. Are they removed, or are their names just changed? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

They were renamed. I believe -old was added to them, for the most part. You may wish to see Cataclysm map comparison. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 13:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


I would like to return to Hallowseve15, Coobra. Hallowseve15 (talk) 21:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


How do you make the icons? is there any sort of turtorial or programs i need because i tried with wowhead and paint and the reults weren't good--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer the icon making just stay with a very few amount of users. Just so the quality and characteristics match between them. Not saying you'd be bad at making them or anything, but it just seems when ever a user (other than var or me) uploads an icon, one of us has to come in and clean it up. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:58, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok managed to put the wmv working let me see if i can put it in photoshop and hit the correct sizes...--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Now i'm having problems with photoshop...--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Photoshop can be fun, if not annoying sometimes. =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Not that kind of problem... it's more it requesting me for a serial number when it's supposed to be a trial(gosh i hope they weren't hoping of paying up for a trial), where did you get your photoshop?(or you rather not talk about it?)--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Do the icons require any photoshop exclusive thing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Not to my knowledge. And trial's shouldn't need a serial number, supposed to be some sore of trial button or just skip something of the like to get passed that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll have to use another photoshop-like tool that is free.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Hmm do you screenshot a large image, and make it small or the opposite?--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Large to small, too hard to work with small images. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
URGH IT'S HORRIBLE AkaliIcon2.png...
is there anyway to make the image more clear?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok fixed the corner thing and the background thing what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Looks blurry. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Do you know any specific tool to improve it? or any specific setting? or anything?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Just passing by (nothing mean) but even I you manage to do icons well, if they don't fit to be in the unique list, they will be removed from it ;)
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 23:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Deities get unique icons even if they are not unique, anyway i think the problem is with taking the screenshot from wowmodel viewer with using the correct sizes--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I give up for today, first i uploaded with png, it was blurry, not with gif it gives me that it does match the MIME extension--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Deities get unique icons even if they are not unique. Who made that rule? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
The other deities have unique icons, even trough their models aren't any different.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Varghedin told me to use the sharpen tool to remove the blur, and it worked i think? is it still too blurry now?--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


Btw, Coobra, could you ban a user called Pcj, he deletes articles without reasons, I think it's already third time when he deletes one of the articles I'v made. Yours sincerely, --U7 (talk) 03:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Looking through the deletion logs... he's only deleted one article you created. And that was the one you just made today. Only other things I see deleted are redirects you made and a guild page that did not follow WP:GUILD. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, well could you do something? Why did he delite article pnagle's test dude? --U7 (talk) 03:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't disagree with his actions for that page, and I'm sure had he not deleted it, another admin would have. I'm not sure where you got the image for that, but I'm sure it falls under DNP. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't see how it violates DNP, so could you please revert the deletion. The picture was taken from part of this old screenshort. --U7 (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Because it's from an illegal private server. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually it isn't, the name is in small capitals because the character was just tested in alpha/beta, you can also find the characters ID on DB-MMO, which proves that it has been on real servers . --U7 (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


Moved to Talk:Demigod#Deities

IconSmall Worgen Icons

About IconSmall Worgen Male.gif [2] and IconSmall Worgen Female.gif [3], i really don't get why you reverted my uploads. ALL the other playable races IconSmall images (IconSmall Gnome Male.gif and [4], IconSmall Draenei Female.gif and [5], etc) are *exactly* the same, both border and image. Why can't we use the official images for worgens (and goblins) too? < Download > Eraclito ( TalkEdits ) 16:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

As I stated in the revert, you should check before blindly changing files.... All racial icons are placed on Wowpedia:List of creature icons. And as with the blood elves and goblins, worgen too have their place. They were reverted because you caused both file locations to be "official" icons, rather than how it was setup. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, then: why is it the setup? I mean, we have icons matching all the playable races *except* worgen and goblin ones. For them, there're _2.gif like files. Why don't we delete the custom ones and only use the official ones, since they exist?
Anyway, thanks for updating my page :) But wasn't for my user page the reason i 'blindly changed' a custom icon used in templates with the official icon from I tried to update something i though was missed by other people (like i recently did for some talents, abilities, other icons). But i feel just discouraged to help, if a change is considered vandalism without even a talk. < Download > Eraclito ( TalkEdits ) 00:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Don't for discouraged, help is already greatly welcomed. The change you made was never considered vandalism just an overlook of what already existed. I can't speak for everyone, but I find many of the "official icons", especially the worgen ones, not that good. And what it really came down to was that icons that were being used first or the longest took the main name while newer ones took an alternate name. It's just keeping things constant as well and also very easy to switch between them as well:
Now... if you want to open a discussion about having the "official icons" moved to the main file name and have the other icons moved to an alternate name (which includes the worgen, blood elves, and goblin), then please open a discussion or maybe even open a vote on which icons would be preferred to have on the main slot. Things are always up for change. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
As for my reason of wanting the "official" icons pushed to the side simply because of their background... every icon we have uses a black background and theirs uses a blue for worgen and red for goblin. It really throws things off. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


How are those pages datamined if the patch is on PTR? I am confused. Hallowseve15 (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

It's 4.1.0, and a patch being on the PTR doesn't mean everything being introduced in that patch has been released. If you do not have a source for things, there's nothing I can do. The same goes with your addition to Ragnaros.. MMO-Champion datamines this info and new models, but the new rag has not been seen and that falls under DNP. I believe we've told you this before many times. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Forsaken History Content lack of BC

history Content lack of BC lore if i recall RAS members had huge role trying find cure for the fel orcs should someone add forsaken role in BC i don't have time do it right now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Forsakenlord (talk · contr).

K ... ? Random comment is random. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
sorry but i wanted ask could you add forsaken role on History BC content because i am really busy and don't have time to read BC quests.--Forsakenlord (talk) 01:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Seems to be your project.. I have a bunch of stuff I am already doing myself, so I don't have the time to do things for you such as going through all the old BC content. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Corporeal and Incorporeal Undead

  • Incorporeal creature
  • Corporeal creature

Could you help me make those 2 articles? that is if you don't have problems with making them. i also have doubts on the names probably should think off a better one.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm.. it's probably good for a general term, could probably drop creature from it and just make Incorporeal / Corporeal articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
It's just to contrast better with the Skeletal creature article that contains rpg data--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Also could you tell em what you think of what i've been updating the creature template and the creature articles(Undead and Elemental)--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
i also found this article that can be used for all Mechanized animal so i added a list there--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Could you merge the Rumbling exile and the Rumbling Exile pages?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I dislike such needless classification. Also, why merge the pages? They are not necessarily the same. It could be a type of earth elemental that just shares its name with only one mob. Or, it could be about the mob.--SWM2448 19:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Which are both earth elementals, it's like saying that Apple pie and Apple Pie aren't the same thing.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
No. It is possibly like saying that all murlocs are Murlocs. However, it is very borderline in this case.--SWM2448 20:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Not to mention that in the section they are said to inhabit Deephome. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
All earth elementals are from deepholm, they are summoned to azroth you know -.-, and about that SWM this has been done before let me just look for a example --Ashbear160 (talk) 21:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok i'm almost giving up, i wanted to make the rpg articles that have little information merged with others with the same information, but it's just a big mess, the Quilboar thornweaver and the Thornweaver article state almost the same, the molten giant article are two one for the background and the other for the mob+background, and a thousand more problems with rpg articles i might as well make a list of problems i see... because... this is leaving me confused...--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

So nobody has any solutions?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

To what, specifically?--SWM2448 19:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
the 2 Molten giant articles is it supposed to be two articles, one about mob+background and another on the background or one mob article and one background article.
Also the thornweaver and quillboar thronweaver should be merged and the goblin tinker(not the unit article) and the tinker article should also be merged.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The two molten giant articles are two articles: Molten giant and Molten Giant. The two thornweaver lore pages should probably be merged, but I am not sure to what name. About the tinkers, not all tinkers are goblins, and goblins are often their own sort of tinker.--SWM2448 20:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
the quillboar thornweaver article should be under Thornweaver races section in the thornweaver article i think.
The Tinker class has a section for Tinker races, and it has only gnome in it, goblin tinker should be put under there.

--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Do you have any problems if i merge those two?--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Which two? You mentioned more than two pages. The thornweaver pages could be merged, I guess, but I might need to clean the merged page later. I appreciate your enthusiasm.--SWM2448 19:04, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I meant merge both the thornweaver with the quilboar thornweaver, and the tinker with goblin tinker.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Merged the articles, i'm going to put the other with a delete tag, and the goblin tinker article contains irrelevant and repeated information which makes me think this information is copied from the source, i didn't pass the languages the quillboar thornweaver speaks because i think that information is irrelevat.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There is nothing wrong with leaving things as redirects. There is nothing wrong with coping information from sources, barring fair use issues, as that means that it is accurate.--SWM2448 19:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I thought it was wiki standards that useless articles were deleted and that information must not be directly copied unlss stated as such?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
What are you interpreting? Cite it.--SWM2448 19:42, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
i don't know, i just thought it was, anyway you rversed what i did in the thornweaver article :(, and used the quilboar article instead...--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:43, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I think the Thornweaver article was slightly better written than the quilboar one, also i don't think the language information is relevant--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The one who reverted it was me because 1) there's only one type of thornweaver 2) the section was a duplicate of the information that already was in the article. --g0urra[T҂C] 19:48, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I told you to read our policies and guidelines. Do it. You know you want to. All I did to the quilboar article was remove the delete tag that you put, as it was the wrong one.--SWM2448 19:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There are too many policies and guidelines, this is the sole reason why i don't bother to read them unless someone points me there, and what i'm saying is that Thornweaver article was slightly better written than the Quillboar thornweaver article.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Admitting that you haven't read the policies is probably not the wisest course of action, and your reasoning is not a good excuse. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There are like 50 pages of it, i just don't have the patience--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... what do you think, Coobra?--SWM2448 02:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the question is... about the mergings? Or about reading the policies/guidelines? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Either, though I frown more on the latter. It is your talk page. It is sort of ironic that you are uninvolved.--SWM2448 04:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Besides the thornweaver articles, I see no reason for the others to be merged... though goblin tinker is a small article, it could be merged into tinker with a redirect. I'll have no issue with that. But a no for the molten giant articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not asking the molten giant articles to be merged, trough one should probably be moved to Molten giant(mob), i had a confusion, because one was supposed to be mob and another background, but the mob article i rmebered it to have lot of background i must have remembered it wrong, the thing with the rumbling exile, is because the background article has very little information that could be merged with the mob article, that's all.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I merged the tinker articles, i don't know how to turn the goblin tinker article into a redirect.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I should've sayed this but what i want is to make RPG information more accessible, it's very hard to find it when most of it, is separated from the rest of the content, when many connections can be made.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
There's {{WoW RPG classes}} and {{Warcraft RPG classes}} already, what else do you need? --g0urra[T҂C] 18:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
It's not about classes, those two classes were just 2 good examples i found that conventionally had classes, two examples that i also found was Acid bullet and Drill crawler which i linked to the dark iron clan article, just making these articles more accessible or transfer the information to the appropriate place--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there a category for non-cooking(as in not in the profession) cuisine?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Category:World of Warcraft food items. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think i can't put things like Amity wine there can't i...--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Items that don't appear in WoW can be placed into Category:Items. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks that's what i was looking for.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


I updated the creature template and template footers what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing those problems :D--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Your welcome. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:34, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Now i'm going to try to make a template for every tribe and clan per race.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
For some reason i can't edit templates that i already started...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
You can, you just had them misnamed under the name parameter.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I also can't make a broken template because broken is already a tag? which name do i use Broken tribes?
Just use Broken draenei. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok i'll do it tomorrow if nobody else has done it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok i think all types of racial groups are done?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Joren Ironstock

Is there a specific guideline other than the boilerplates that I'm supposed to follow here? I am a new contributer, and I'm just learning all the guidelines. Is there a reason not to include the quest objective in a literate way under the quest header for NPCs? And sorry for the multiple edit updates; I am new, as mentioned, and will get better over time. If there is a problem with the way I'm expanding stubs please let me know, I wouldn't want to anger imposing members of the community who know all about account hacking and whatnot :) Thanks Thewalrus (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Other than our normal Wowpedia:Guidelines, Wowpedia:Policies, and using the boilerplate layout just look to similar articles for examples. Though I would use newer articles for the best examples on how we'd like articles to start appearing, older articles will tend to look as they were wanted years ago. Feel free to experiment in sandboxes as well, these are generally not monitored and allow users to freely try things without interfering with existing articles and preventing edit errors (if another user starts to edit the same article). Welcome to wowpedia. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


I redid the alliance and horde sections, and changed it for instead of being race by race, to be by jurisdiction or sovereignty, i want to ask your opinion, i'll redo the rest tomorrow.--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Images from wowhead

Hello! I was searching images for some NPCs, but I can't find them because they are present only during some events. I found that wowhead has the images, can i upload them or it's forbidden? -- Forco sussura agli abissi 20:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you can upload those images to Wowpedia. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks :) -- Forco sussura agli abissi 20:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Priesthood of elune

Someone joined a lot of priests of elune articles, but then named it Priests and priestesses of Elune, but isn't priesthood of elune a more correct gender neutral name, i tried to change it but it says i can't.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:57, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Merging the two is misleading as they are two different terms. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Well since vanilla wow the priesthood has been gender neutral amplified by the fact of the two statues in archaeology that tell us that, but i don't really care much of it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Dragonflight footer

I'm trying to create a dragonflight footer, but i seem to be doing something wrong because i can't get the Red dragonflight to appear on it's page...--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I ran out of ideas on how to make this work
nevermind i'm a moron--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Racial organization templates

Do you have anymore thoughts on this? I feel it just comes down to what Lon-ami and Ashbear160 want to enforce. Also, do you believe that this is a bit extreme? It has been a pet peeve of mine for a while (pre-Rolandius even) that all mob prefixes and suffixes do not need pages, which may happen, and some people (myself, for now, not included) are not too crazy about navboxes.--SWM2448 20:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... it does seem to be getting excessive, cause not everything needs to be in the navbox... but it's like you said in the forum post, things get messy over periods of time. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Specificly Just tribes and entirely racial groups i think those at least are needed--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Curbing creativity is (admittedly) against the wiki spirit, but I am just trying to stop problems in advance. You do not have to clean up what was never made a mess in the first place. Is planning ahead so bad? Though, I may not be good at predicting things...--SWM2448 21:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
No, planning ahead is very nice... but sometimes, things that users want to have done will end up getting done eventually, if not by them by others that want it as well. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I remember telling Rolandius "it is easier to shrug off a trickle than a flood." A group of less prolific editors may get away with semi-controversial things more, especially over a long period of time, while prolific editors and their flaws will be singled out more. It just happens. I am uncertain of the cruelty involved. However, I ask you: what do the users want to have done?--SWM2448 21:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
i don't know if i want or not what you said "that all mob prefixes and suffixes do not need pages", in some cases i don't like it others i do, i only put them in the navboxes because they are already there in the list--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure what you are saying. If you don't know if you want something or not, why pursue it with such gusto and enthusiasm?--SWM2448 21:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Because they are already in the list.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure I was talking about a list, was I?--SWM2448 21:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I was the only reason i put them on the templates is because they are already on the list--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:28, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Object or NPC?

re Dead Iron Giant... You interact with it as an object, regardless that it represents what would have been a mobile entity. Wherein lies the difference between NPC and object? I can concur with adding "iron giants", but making it an NPC seems absurd. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was interacted as an NPC... just not attacked or through talk... Don't you use a pickaxe to interact with it? It's also not solid like all other objects. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

My Website

Remember Fictional Races Wiki ( How do I change the color of the background, I do not like the white color. Hallowseve15 (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. Try asking pcj, he'll be more knowledgeable on that subject. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Warcraft universe

I wanted to update that part of the main page, like you saw sometime ago, you suggested a sandbox but i had already complete it, gourra reverted it and zeratul say to do what you said so i made a sandbox Portal:Warcraft Universe/Sandbox, now i don't know if i should just revert what gourra did(since i just copied to the sandbox), wait for someone to answer the talk page(which i did for two days), or let outdated page lie, and leave it outdated and lacking information.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot about that, comment added. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:06, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Err could you recomment on my answer please and in this one too Talk:Old Gods--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:48, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Well since noone else answered back, and i can't change my design further without more specific complaints(the main:warcraft universe page)i'm going to change it back in a few hours if you don't have any problems that my justifications doesn't solve--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Crusading to the conflict

Please check Template talk:Wars and help to divulge my proposal.

Dun Morogh Sledders

Thanks for the speedy clean up on Dun Morogh Sledder. I hoped to get time this weekend for more research on these dudes (like, how long were they there for a while, or just recent?) but your sweep sweep and such really was nice. Yourbuddybill (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Changing a image's file name?

Hullo there Coobra, may I ask how to change the file name of an image uploaded on Wowpedia?

Also, concerning the unofficial artwork I uploaded a while ago, is is possible to use it as long as it is properly described as "unofficial" on the articles it is used on? I understand why it is preferred to use official artwork rather than fanmade, but it's a shame those images wont be used anywhere - especially since they were made by an artist who's also been doing TCG art. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 12:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, btw, it seems SeedsOfTheLasherByGenzoman.jpg is actually used for a card in the TCG (, so there's no need to delete it. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
To request an image rename use the {{move}} template on the file and specify what name you'd like to have as the first parameter. Example: Name changed.jpg leaving out the File:. And I agree, I'd love to use those artworks, for the exact reasons you stated. But if we start making exceptions to the rule, we'll have more artists wanting their unofficial work displayed here... though if the exception is artists who already do a major contribution to Blizzard products, I guess that could be okay. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, oke, I thought normal users could change file names in a similar manner to changing article names. In any case, now there's something else I'm wondering. Is it possible to change a file's file type when uploading a new version of it? Such as changing and old .gif into a new .jpg? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Also, I'd like your personal opinion about something. I found the "complete" image of Kurdran TCG.jpg on, but now I'm unsure whether to replace the old version on Wowpedia with it or not. Naturally, the larger version is more detailed and stuff, but the old version seems better for a "profile image" which it is used for on Kurdran Wildhammer's article. What do you think? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 23:29, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Yea, I'm just glad images can be moved now, a few years ago, we didn't have that option. So to rename we had to re-upload. As for changing the file type, that's not possible. Just upload the new one, and mark the old one for deletion. As for the Kurdran question. I see upload full version under a different name and add it to the page, but leave the current one as it is, cause you're correct to think of that one as the profile image. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:09, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

old god faction

I want to create a article for the old gods+servants faction, but i have a problem with it's name i was thinking either Servants of the Old gods, or do the name it the same as the illidian faction, Old gods forces, what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, well Old Gods' forces already exists as a redirect. You could turn that into an article I suppose. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:21, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok thanks i'll try, now i have another problem with gourra removing all the racial icons from the horde page, because he says they are not needed, nevermind that we do the same for everyother article about organizations(alliance burning legion scourge) and regions/planes/planets(elemental plnes), so yeh i'm asking your opinion--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Here's a early mock-up of what i plan to do. User:Ashbear160/Old god force's--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
You better bring that up on the talk page, since the editor that removed the (imo bloated) infobox discussed there. --22:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I plan to improve the infobox before i complete the rest of the article... and that infobox was in the wrong article Old god is not exactly a organization of various races, but their forces are... and it isn't any much bloated than the alliance or horde infobox is.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Sure, but a list of races and an infobox isn't enough to warrant an article about it. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I haven't finished it's going to take some time...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
User talk:Ashbear160/Old god force's See... (Gabrirt (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC))

Undoing ang (un)blocking

Why you have undo everything in the horde article??? I made valuable contributions! I Added very correct content. Shouldn't you review patiently first and not undoing everything ? I added everything correctly!!(Gabrirt (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC))

Go read the talk page. Any further discussion should be held there about this topic. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


Could you explain how this page worksTemplate:Race i wanted to do a few changes if possible or is it only a admin thing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Due to being a very highly used template across several articles, it is an admin edit only template. Free feel to make suggestions on it's talk page. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Protect Alliance Page

Hey Coobra i was wondering if you could lock the Alliance page and clean it up like you are doing for the Horde Page. I think you should keep them locked and leave them like that, so than you wont have to clean them up ever again .. and Gabrirt doesn't mess with them lol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArbiterX122591 (talk · contr).

I already plan to lock and clean the Alliance as well... though I'll admit, I haven't been on the Alliance side since Burning Crusade, and only leveled my Alliance toon in late Wrath to just see the storyline on that side. I just didn't want to have both pages locked at the same time for cleanup... though I might end up having to. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Titan constructs

I have been thinking about this for a while. What is your plan?--SWM2448 21:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I have no plan... Just saw that (at least the Uldum ones) have been confirmed by the Encounter Journal that they are indeed constructs and not Titans, that I would create a "creature" category for them.... since they aren't really stone keepers or watchers..... although they could be just new models /shrug. This category will at least keep them all together. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
So the category is just for the five Uldum bosses?--SWM2448 21:12, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
We don't have confirmation of the other ones until the Encounter Journal is completed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Well you made "Stone guardians" a subcategory of "Titan constructs" (where we can shove confirmed constructs with no race" name) so... what other categories should be under "Titan constructs"? What is a stone guardian anyway?--SWM2448 21:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, I would limit exactly what categories are placed there... while creatures such as the tol'vir were constructs, they have "evolved" from being something simply programmed to do a particular task. I'm not even sure what a stone guardian is... but it was the parent category of stone keepers so I threw it in. But yea.. mostly anything constructed by titans which have no similar category could be thrown in there. Just to at least keep track of them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Should we add algalon, he fits your description.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what Algalon is... a being that serves the titans, an unique construct built by the titans... or something else. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought when Algalon was saying this
"Perhaps it is your imperfection that which grants you free will. That allows you to persevere against cosmically calculated odds. You prevailed where the Titans' own perfect creations have failed."
Was referring to himself.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Possibly... though he was most likely referring to the vrykul, earthern, the guardians of Ulduar (most likely them). Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
He says that after being beaten, and he gives a monologue on how he feels before that, it most probably is referring himself there, but it's still pretty dubious--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Old god forces

Could you check Old Gods' forces and tell me what is wrong with it, it's still incomplete(misses something in the organization and former member part) but a early judgement would help.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Plz--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Warcraft III

Hello. What does this mean? Why my changes are reverted? --Askarmuk (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Plz answer the question. --Askarmuk (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello... it's a wiki, I'll answer your question perhaps when I'm paying attention to the site and not engaged with my personal life. Thank you.
To answer your question, it means the template is used a very many pages... edit warring on a high use template is frowned upon... course edit warring in general is frowned upon. You think something needs changing, discuss it. Don't change it to how you want and have edit wars over it without a discussion taking place and coming to a conclusion. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Protecting this template without any words is a bad manner. Plz next time say something to me (im not a vandal) and dont do like you want even if you have administrator privileges. For example: start a discussion as you said. Im opened to talk. Also: edit wars was started by user:Gourra from this changes - [6], [7]. Plz remind him that it is a bad manner to start edit wars. As administrator you can do this. Thank you. --Askarmuk (talk) 11:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Use Template talk:Warcraft III to discuss the changes you want to it and why. Don't spread the conversation to multiple talk pages. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Topic added. --Askarmuk (talk) 11:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Concept art

Shame with the oversized images, perhaps I should run the next ones I find through MS Paint a few times before I upload them. In any case, do you think should replace TempestKeepConcept.jpg? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't say... the link provided brings me to an Access Denied page. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hrm, odd, it's working fine for me... maybe it's a cooking or something. Or maybe not. I uploaded the image as a solution, you can decide whether you want to delete one of them or keep both. If you choose to keep the one I uploaded, it might be convenient if you rename TempestkeepArtwork.jpg to "Tempest Keep Concept Art Peter Lee 2.jpg". WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Argh, I mean cookie, not cooking. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Done. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

New Race Request

Is it necessary to make a page based of Fandral Staghelm and Leyara's look and name it Flame elf? Hallowseve15 (talk) 21:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... I want to say no, cause they're night elves... however... if they went through a physical change like the blood elves did to felblood elves, then yes. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Would it be redundant with Druids of the Flame?--SWM2448 00:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Possibly. I would not create a racial page, unless it's backed up by lore. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The Burning Crusade Bestiary?

Sorry to bother you again in such a short amount of time.

I've noticed that some articles use the "Burning Crusade Bestiary" as a lore source. This is - if you don't know (which I find unlikely anyway) - a former site on the official WoW website which describes different creatures introduced in TBC. The info has however been removed (possibly as a result of their new layout) and the site is now your everyday "buy it!" site.

The info can still be found other places. Particularly, this site seems to be somewhat a mirror of it. I was planning to use the info to "revive" the official article on Wowpedia, but it turns out such an article already previously existed. Seems the user named "Kirkburn" deleted it because it was "old news". Still, I think Wowpedia should "protect" its sources as much as quoting them. What is your opinion? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

To which official article do you refer to? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah i've have alo been having problems with old sources, specifically naga birth and anubisath, i had to use dead links as a source and that's annoying--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
It's easy to find references from the bestiary on Wowpedia articles. Simply browse the creatures and check if their respective articles are using it as a source. Direct quotation = as witten on the official site. Indirect quotation = somewhat altered.
Fel orc: The "Official site info"-sections contains a direct quotation.
Ethereal: The first six lines is a direct quotation.
Fleshbeast: The "Description"-section is a direct quotation.
Forest troll: The first five lines (complete introduction) is a direct quotation.
Fungal giant: The first line is an indirect quotation. The second and third lines are direct ones.
Gronn: The first three lines are indirect quotations.
Naaru: The history-section (atm lacking references) are using indirect quotations in line three, five, six and seven.
Ogre lord: The "Outland ogre lords"-sub section under the "Background"-section is a direct quotation.
Rock flayer: The first seven lines is a direct quotation.
Spore bat: The first four lines is a direct quotation.
Spore walker: The "Background"-section is a direct quotation.
Warp stalker: The first and second line are indirect quotations.
Several (possibly all) of the creatures' articles also use the images depicting the races in the original info. You can find some of them combined with it here and here.
WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
If you're still unsure about the legitimacy of the official article - as far as I know, it acted as a teaser, presenting the new models and lore which Blizzard implemented in the Burning Crusade. They created a "Wrath of the Lich King Bestiary" too, probably also a Cataclysm one. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, you mean all the individual racial articles, when you said "planning to use the info to "revive" the official article on Wowpedia" and ""Kirkburn" deleted it because it was "old news"", I thought you meant an actual article on the BC bestiary. Yes that's fine to update the links, though I'm not sure about changing their descriptions back to what it was, since its expanded since then and some completely changed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Four words: Internet Archive Wayback Machine. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Thx Gourra, now I can browse the web as MacGyver did! But, Coobra, what I'm trying to say is not that I want to "revert" all the individual race's articles - I want to implement one of Wowpedia's sources directly into Wowpedia, as an article. Why? Because Blizzard destroyed their own article! And Kirkburn destroyed the article I want as well - here is the remains of it! So, here's my plan: we use the info on the "official mirror article" found on this site I found to make an article called "The Burning Crusade Bestiary" on Wowpedia. This must be protected, other info than the original info must NOT be added, and the original info must NOT be removed or altered. Then, we can use that article as a source for other articles, such as the races I've listed, in place for the now-removed official info which Blizzard removed! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
On second though, think I'll use Gourra's time machine instead (as source of the new article), then I can have the images as well. This'll be glorious. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
We cannot restore the deleted article as it was deleted before the move to Wowpedia. Either you'd have to ask someone on WoWWiki to get it for you, or make it from scratch. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I was already planning on doing that. With the power of hope and copy-paste it'll be fixed in no time. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully decency wins out over politics. Speaking of articles-as-sources, {{Source-article}} has a niche but is never used. I think it or a template like it could see more use. Also, I there are multiple versions of some race descriptions, like the gronn and the naaru. The Wayback machine should have them all, but it may not.--SWM2448 01:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Now if we could find things for other examples like this one.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with The Wrath of the Lich King Bestiary, I've entered the info now! Turns out the problem was that the filter for some reason didn't accept the references for the last three races never being implemented. That's pretty ironic, don't you think? An article being a source, not accepting sources. I guess it's also somewhat ironical that you're the one who helped solve the problem although I was planning to give you a break from my nagging... again, thanks! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 20:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Should Bestiary be remade (hopefully keeping the history notes) using this link? I know we have at least some of the animated images uploaded somewhere already.--SWM2448 22:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I was already thinking of it. I managed to find a similar (the same?) source by putting into Gourra's time machine. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I should have been clearer. The Wayback Machine was already mentioned, and more than one mirror is good.--SWM2448 17:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody recover this? --Ashbear160 (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
And --Ashbear160 (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Also --Ashbear160 (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Ashbear160, you can try to search for them in the Wayback Machine. Coobra, how important do you think finding replacements for dead links that are used as sources is?--SWM2448 19:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion it's very important to be able to corroborate information ,but you're not asking me, so i'm just saying due to try sourcing the Old Gods' forces, i had to use lot of references to dead links because i couldn't check the original information and it was the only source the article gave, so i had to do some blind-sourcing, by trusting the dead sources posted on Wowpedia.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know about the Wayback Machine, so finding replacements is not that big a deal... though since not everyone knows about the wayback machine, we should probably link to it as a way to check old internet sources on WP:EL. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't we transfer all of the dead links into source articles at least?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Saying that making all dead links into source articles is the minimum that we should do is a bit much, but making them anyway is fine, as long as they are clean and accurate.--SWM2448 04:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I'll try.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
is this first example okay Encyclopedia - Naga?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm still not sure how the wayback machine works, but i'm gonna ask this, which date should i choose? the one with the biggest black line?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
PCJ is deleting the source articles...--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Coloration issue

File:Northrendfalls.jpg versus Same image, yet the former looks like autumn and the latter like spring. What do you think, Coobra? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The newer one seems to be the correct one. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
More likely, they recolored the concept art to see what it might look like in different seasons, which would make both correct. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm. According to the site where I found it (here), the "spring version" was featured in the art book in the Collector’s Edition of Wrath of the Lich King, available on 11.13.08. The "autumn version" was uploaded in 2007, which - as I see it - makes the spring version the newer one. I'll upload it, but I don't think the autumn one has to be deleted. Dark T Zeratul is probably correct. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikia Question

I do not know if you can answer this, but I have a question. How to I change the background color for my wikia ( I do not like the blah feel. Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

No clue. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Alliance and horde infobox

Hum how do i acess the discussions of it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

None have taken place so far, feel free to create the start of it at Template talk:Infobox Alliance and/or Template talk:Infobox Horde. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:13, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I made it slightly easier to find the discussion page from the articles themselves. Just click the chat bubble in the lower right corner on either the Alliance or Horde articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


Uploaded a hefty snake image you might enjoy. There sure it a lot of impressive concept and TCG art out there! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice! Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the help with my sig! I'd never knew that was the problem. :P (Luxor(t/c) 05:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC))

Your most welcome. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Re-written the New Horde

I saw that you requested somebody do this and I like how it came out but sorry if i did it wrong, but anyway here you go and uh sorry if this wasn't exactly the place to put itMoneygruberTheGoblin (talk) 01:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Page isn't locked anymore. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Would like to interview you

Hi Coobra,

I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available at some point this summer for an interview?

I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it on the front page of my website (linked to from my faculty page, below; happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.

Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email <tinyurl [dot] com/5ug7gqq>. Dakhma (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Image deletion

Here are some images you might want to delete:

  • Blood Knight female.jpg - replaced by Crusader Farisa TCG.jpg
  • NecroshenByGenzoman.jpg - you already marked it for possible deletion, but nothing has been done so far. Might as well remove it already.
  • ForTheHordeByGenzoman.jpg - same as above.
  • Primal Taming TCG.jpg - I'm a bit unsure about this. Turns out it's not quite as similar to the card which I first though. You can decide whether it's to stay on Wowpedia or not.

WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. I don't have a problem with it staying, so long as it's being used. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Cut Short

You posted a note on the page for the short story, Cut Short, saying "The story takes place after Operation: Gnomeregan and before the new gnome starting experience.", but do we have any confirmation for this. I'd say, after having read it, that it takes place after the starting experience. If you have anything that confirm your note, please include it in the article and ignore this :) — Aedror (talk) 23:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

We can confirm it takes place after operation: Gnomeregan but we don't know nothing else after that.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


I need your help as you may know i've been trying to make a article about the Old Gods' forces, however I don't know how to make same reference appears as only one point on the list, could you tell me how?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I see you already got an answer. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, now trough i have another...--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


IncinerateOff.jpg was one of the first images I uploaded here on Wowpedia, for the Firelord (Warcraft III) article. Unfortunately, the image not PNG. The original file (website link, file link) is also in JPG though. Figured out I'd mention so you can decided whether you want to change it into PNG or not. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

FactionIcon2 icons

Feel free to to grab the icons I made for Template:FactionIcon2. I'm planning to grab a whole bunch of Varghedin's small icons at some point. That guy is a machine. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contribs) 8:46 AM PST 20 Jun 2011

Creating Categories

I want to create a category for thing in this article Mechanized animal. how do i do it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

And for Vehicles too.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and can we change this category [[Category:Cannons]] to Category:Cannons and Turrets?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
When you add a category to something, it will be created automatically. The category page will just be redlinked until you add some text to it, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
oh ok, but if we wanted to change the name of the category itself does the move button work like everything else and would every article change it's categories or dod we have to do manually to each one?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
You might be able to move a category page to another name (I've not tried), but for the articles within that category you would have to edit the category for each one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it's better if just leave it has cannons and include turrets in it without being in the name.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Nah, categories can't be moved, however, the content on the category can be place on a new one, and then change every article that was in the old to the new. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok thanks, it's better to leave as it is.--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Categories should always (with a few exceptions) be made in the plural tense as well. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Faction icons

Unless I've missed something, I'd love to hear why you uploaded all those faction icons. See File talk:Both 15.png as well. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:FactionIcon. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Random stuff

WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh, wait, "reason: rename" .. well, I guess "Howling Fjord Concept Art" or something would be fitting. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

CDev questions and the RPG

What should we do about rpg question in the cdev? remove them or just tag them? or should we instant a "don't ask non-cannon questions" rule.

I think it should be removed blizzard made it clear it's non-cannon so i'll doubt they answer anyway.
I already asked in the forums but i guess i would ask you separately since you were the creator of that article and the one that set the rules.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Elemental Dragons

Should I make a separate page for the race of Elemental Dragons or should I merely expand the page named Elemental drake mounts? IconSmall Goblin Male.gifIconSmall Goblin2 Male.gifIconSmall Gallywix.gifIconSmall Gazlowe.gifIconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gifIconSmall UndeadGoblin.gifIconSmall Gilgoblin Male.gifIconSmall Hobgoblin.gif MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs) 21:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Well we already have Storm dragon and Stone dragon that you could work on. Elemental drake mounts isn't meant for lore, just as a mount information page. What would the Elemental dragon article contain? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Block of Killars

For the future Coobra, would you mind warning people at least once before you block them? Catching flak from L2R. --Sky (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


Given how you're the one who changed Template:Source-article into what it looks like today (which I'm happy for, both because it's an important template and because you even used the "warning table" I made), could you please have a look at this? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Grell Dilemma

So how are we going to solve this? we've got firekin which are definitely not demons and are elementals, Flamekin which are demon but act more like elementals, Sprites and Grell which are both demon and Humanoid, my opinion screw gameplay mechanics because they are not lore, and they are often wrong, but we need to make this at least make some sense.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Only problem is, we have no lore on these Flame Imps or Firekin. The only thing we have is N [35 Daily] Wisp Away saying "fire elementals are pouring out of portals" and the Firekin come out of the portal. Everything we once considered lore about the Grell came from RPGs, the same is true of the Sprites. Only other solution is to label them fire elementals, I don't want to do that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Or just leave it blank so that it's Unknown. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Or that, yes. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
The Grell lore in the RPG seemed to mention some Shadowglen quests. Why does everything need to be pegged down as a specific race? Because Ashbear said so and thinks that it is useful? I disagree if we just don't know.--SWM2448 21:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I preferred labelling them as "a type of grell-like creatures" it isn't wrong because they share the same model, but Unknown works too, i would still prefer them to be labelled as something rather than nothing--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Molten Giant Icon

Could you comment on this?Wowpedia talk:List of creature icons#Molten giants?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

About fel stalker and Felhound

Hello again, and thanks for contributing to the discussion.

There is some clarification that should be done on both articles if they are actually different creatures. The Fel stalker article makes various references to «felhound». In Reign of Chaos, the WarCraft III unit was named Felhound, and then Fel Stalker in The Frozen Throne. In my opinion, we should merge both articles and mention the RPG Books distinction that you mentioned.

Although, Fel Ravagers also did appear in WarCraft III: The Frozen Throne as a lvl7 creep with the Devour Magic and Black Arrow abilities.

--Wc3sRui (talk) 07:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

RPG is now non-canon--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Warcraft III had Felhounds (called hellhounds by Kel'Thuzad).
  • The Frozen Throne had Fel Beasts, Fel Stalkers, and Fel Ravagers (with Fel Demons as the greater creature type per
  • Manual of Monsters (non-canon) had Fel Stalkers and Fel Hunters (with Fel Stalkers as the greater creature type).
  • Monster Guide (non-canon) had Felhounds, Felstalkers, and Fel Ravagers (with Felhounds as the greater creature type).
  • The Well of Eternity calls them felbeasts (consistently, as far as I can tell).
  • WoW calls them a bunch of things, the warlock one being a Felhunter.
I hope that helps.--SWM2448 17:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, so, is this matter getting resolved any time soon? --Wc3sRui (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll help sort them out if you want. What are your thoughts?--SWM2448 19:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The only thing consistent in WoW is that they use the term hound in nearly all the names. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
I think tis would make a excellent question in the CDev questions--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ancients picture update

Since you seem to be the creator of these kinda pics, i'm gonna request, if you want to, to upgrade this [[File:Ancients.png|Picture]] with the following changes:

-Add the upgrade model of Malorne.
-Remove Xavious, Elune and Azshara since they are no longer ancients, due to the de-canonization of the RPG.
And if you feel like it should have the dark ancients and vash'jr ancients, add them.
Thanks.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll take a look at it, but it's not on my priority list. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Image Licensing

I uploaded two images of my character to the wiki, SanguisProfile.png and SanguisBox.png, I put the licensing as "Personal Photo not taken in the World of Warcraft", the images were taken using the snipper (screenshot) tool on my laptop from the Armory image. I'm wondering if I have used the correct licensing or not.--Alindaloran (talk) 02:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Seems fine. TherasTaneel (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Your opinion is desired on this topic.

Thank you.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Dragonkin Review

I noticed that most dragonkin pages have rpg information only(ex:Green drake, Green whelp) and i wanted it more similiar to pages like Fire hawk, however wowhead that used to have a "same model as" button/tool as disappeared and i'm having hard time finding all mobs that share models, can you help in anyway with this problem?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Besides looking through the category made for them, the only other way would be to look through them individually. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
It seems we're going to try something different (exfusing all whelp articles into one) can you contribute to the aritcles in this talk page?Template talk:Dragonflightfooter‎--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Can you helm me with something in the Black whelp i can't make the image appear small in the infobox without coding appearing all over the place, can you help?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

I was wondering if you would have a look at this and express an opinion on its talk page. Thanks in advance. TherasTaneel (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

The patch number of when an npc was added

Howdy. Thank you for making this edit and fixing problems with the article. One of the changes you made was to change the patch number showing when that npc was added. Wowhead shows it as 4.0.1. Is it wrong?--Rockfang (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. When it comes to anything in the new Cataclysm zones, anything said to be prior to 4.0.3a is wrong. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Most of the NPCs were added to the internal data files in 4.0.1, but weren't actually there until 4.0.3a. Wowhead is not always 100% accurate with their "added in" dates. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Molten Giant Icon

Could you make a new icon with the old molten giant icon, please? for historical purposes, like you (i think it was you) have done with others.--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Notable leaders and a faction

Could you help me with this, somehow i can't find a way to fix anything when using this type of table, and you seem to be able too. User:Ashbear160/Notable leaders Alliance
The other is what you think if i create a iron army faction article(i loath when a faction is called after it's leader), i have at least a source that calls it that, and i dislike the fact that the iron dwarf article seems to be the "dumping ground" for information on this faction--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:24, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Yea, messing with that table was a pain in the arse, it did not want to work cooperate with me too much. It would seem appropriate to put all information about the iron dwarves on the same page, as it's a small article as is and probably every iron dwarf is of the same faction. Since they were created for that purpose. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
But the Iron army is not composed of iron dwarves solely, well at least according to this:
"The iron armies are led by three fearsome generals, each representing a different race. These leaders are known as Stormcaller Brundir, Runemaster Molgeim, and Steelbreaker."
Besides that's not my biggest problem my problem is putting in the faction section a faction called "Loken" when we have the name of Iron Army--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I'l shift some stuff around and i'll see how i put it in the alliance page--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Command Structures

Hello Coobra, I was wondering what you opinion was on the command structures on the Scourge and Burning Legion pages was. I find they just take of space, and alot at that not to mention they are outdated. If you wish to keep them I would update them myself but I think we should delete them entirely or at least make a separate page for them. IconSmall Goblin Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs)IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif 02:48, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this... command structure articles would be best.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
It seems that many entries in the command structure could be based on speculation, but yea, they do take up a lot of room. I'm not for just removing all the information. I'm also not opposed to it being moved to an article of it's own and linked to from their appropriate pages. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:30, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Limpy Joe

How do you know that he is human? Is Flannel McGee too? TherasTaneel (talk) 23:11, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

It's more or less speculation, but most of the characters in Grizzly Hills are humans turned wolfmen, so they're likley human... though the could be animals or even his imagination. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
That's assuming Limpy Joe isn't just a figment of Hugh's imagination. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


Hey Coobra, I'm interested in how you made your signature, and how I could do one as well, keep up the great work at Wowpedia! Somhlth (talk) 21:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the info, I was also wondering how I can set it up as a signature? so I can use it via the standard 4 tildes or if I need to sign in a different manner. Somhlth (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Wowpedia project: Recovering Online Sources

I want to create a page dedicated to restoring deleted Online sources or showing alternatives in case they still exist, much my like own page User:Ashbear160/List of dead sources, but improved (For now i allowed people to add links there) and open to evryone's use, would you (or anybody else) have a problem if i do this, and if not could you help? if you want i can make a better sketch of what i mean.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

could you give a answer plz?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:13, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm not really sure I know what you mean... a list that would basically mirror the Category:Online sources ? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Partially yes, but it would also contain a list to alternative links that work(for example those that are on wow-europe) and links that we haven't be able to restore in case someone does, and a list in the discussion of articles that need to be restored. Just like the example i posted, but with a little work of course--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Seems fine to me, go ahead and create it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll move the page i posted to Wowpedia:Online sources--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Well there's my attempt, is it okay or does it need more work?
It looks okay. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Brann Bronzebeard journal

Do to the journal in the new magazine i have two questions/propositions to ask

The first is that dragons are titanic creations maybe i should change them from the template of azeroth native to titanic creations(what do you think?)

The second involved dryads, in the journal the dryad race is divided into 2 subraces frost and forest, which lead me to think that the Frost nymphs are just frost dryads and that regular nymphs are just a updated model for the normal forest dryads(again what do you think?).--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:48, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen the new magazine, but I thought dragons were native to the world... at least protodragons were. As for the dryad/nymphs, it seems likely. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Protodragons are natives, but dragons are titanic creations (since protodragons are also non-sapient they aren't going on the template anyway), it's like this
So i tend to incline that they are titanic creations if you want i can give you a scan of the pages--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Sure. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Let me shuffle trough my stuff:
These are all of brann bronzebeard journal pages in that magazine(if there any legal problems with me posting them here delete them)--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
It has been assumed for a while, based on the Galakrond-Aspect relationship, that the titans made proto-dragons into dragons. I really try to avoid those templates, except for minor fractal errors. The dryad thing makes sense, but "dryads" splitting into "forest" and "frost" really does not tell us much. Forest and frost what? Nymphs? Dryads?--SWM2448 02:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I think we could safely move them to titanic creations since all know sapient examples are also derived from titanic creation
It splits like the dwarves, dwarf->frost=frost dwarf, so dryad->frost=frost dryad, i think we can safely assume that nymph is a secondary name for dryad--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
That's possible... however, like earthern to troggs and then to kobold, all three are now unique races. So it's possible two types of nymphs came from dryads, the frosty ones of northrend and the southern forest ones. This is more likely than just another name for dryads I believe. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Do we ever hear the term nymph ingame or just the model/skin?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:26, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
The ones in Howling Fjord are named Chill Nymph and Frost Nymph and the quest A [10-30] The Enigmatic Frost Nymphs. They are mentioned in H [10-30] The Frozen Glade with their racial term. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I actually meant the regular nymphs(forest ones) if there was ever a reference of them being nymphs or just regular dryads?, but i've checked both these quests, the alliance questgiver outright calls them dryads, and the second one is a taunka who speaks of the frost nymphs in a almost folklorish way, blizzard outrights says in the article that dryads are divided into forest and frost dryads, and since we never heard of frost dryads i think we can safely assume that the frost nymphs are indeed frost dryads.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Ah, well, like I said I haven't seen the article.. but if that's what they called them, then it's possible I suppose... Would explain why the Unbound Dryads are named dryad rather than nymph since they're most likely changed frost nymphs. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Hum i posted the pages above it's the 5th one--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Has the term "frost dryad" actually appeared anywhere?--SWM2448 03:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Thought you meant in some written article, I've seen the diagrams you posted, but Blizz doesn't actually call them frost or forest dyrads... just frost and forest. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
With a arrow coming from "Dryad" to them much like in dwarf section, where they don't say dark dwarf or dark iron dwarf, they have a arrow coming from "Dwarf" pointing to "Dark", "Mountain", "Hill" and "Frost" even trough we usually call them by different names blizzard calls them "Dark/Mountain/Hill/Frost dwarf" Mountain", i still say they are Frost dryads, with Frost nymphs being a secondary name, like gilgoblins are also called gilblins, or the iron armies are also called the iron legions.--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Or dragons which are also listed as their colour without the repetition of stating they are dragons ex: Dragon->Green and we know they are Green dragons.
Ps: you still haven't explained where the name for regular nymph comes from(besides model name).--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I think it came about with the thought that frost nymphs minus the frost are just nymphs. I disagree with that one point, and have never seen proof.--SWM2448 19:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Originally i would've disagreed with you, altrough i've never seen proof of them being named that point but we're left in the black, but with this new information it shows clearly that the dryad is divided into 2 races frost and forest with no mentioning of the word nymph in them, which is why i concluded they are a secondary name for them.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, nymphs once had a source from RPGs stating:
they, unlike the dryads, prospered choosing to avoid dangers like the Scourge simply moving on to new areas when the plague came close, but had little concept that there will not always be another land with greener pastures just over the next horizon.
Which is likely why they made their appearance in WotLK to ask for help, since they've finally run out of areas to run to. Now, where frost nymphs actually have a name source, you're correct that nymph does not... even the nymphs/dryads in Mount Hyjal gave no indication of what they were any in quest or speech and we just assumed what they were, given previous models. Then the magazine came out... so I suppose the question is: do the dryads exist as a separate race in which two others formed from (the frost nymphs and forest nymphs) or are the dryads themselves two types of races (forest dryads and frost dryads)?
Blizz tends to name creatures first encountered in the game after what they are, this has been proven time and time again... so even though dryads and nymphs are supposedly two separate races, they might not actually be as separate as once believed... Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:25, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
If we go by other examples in the article(race first then sub-race, like in dragon, dwarf and giants) there are 2 types of dryads frost and forest, and if it wasn't like this that would mean that blizzard would've added a race in the magazine that doesn't exist(frost dryad), which would be incredibly stupid of blizzard.
We also have indication that the frost nymphs are dryads in the quests in wotlk
And we have examples of races called by various names(gilblin and gilgoblin)
I still have the same conclusion, that nymph is a secondary name for dryad--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Frost nymphs are also called dryads. This is true. This implied that they were a type of dryad, and the magazine confirms this. What is a guess is everything else.--SWM2448 22:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

So... should we have two race pages (dryad and frost nymph) or three (dryad, frost nymph, and forest nymph)? Names can be changed later down the road, but at this point, should we consider the forest nymph and dryad one and the same? and simply jot it down as a new model for dryads, because they like to introduce new models of same creatures. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

We could have 3, one for the general dryad race, and two for the subraces, frost dryad and forest dryad, i don't care if the name even stays the same as long it's in the all 3 articles that frost nymphs are also known as frost dryads, and the other as forest dryad.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I think it should be noted that they might be called that.--SWM2448 00:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
That works too.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Initial edits

Yes, sorry. TherasTaneel (talk) 02:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Tis ok, I realize there was a long break between the time I created and the time I hit save changes and I'm guilty of doing the same thing when I see created pages that need work. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Precise Picture Parameters

Yes, yes, I could be arrested for allitering. Moving on, I noticed you'd made a change: display a file from 250px to 251px. (Eastmoon Ruins). Now that's gotta have a story behind it. Please spill... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I occasionally do that after updating images under the same file name. I use this step to skip the waiting period that could take a little while for the image to correct itself. When it comes to templates that keep images a specific size, I either change the file name or just wait for it to change on its own. For example on File:Eastmoon Ruins.jpg the image to me if of the old version, while the one on the page is correct due to the size difference made... though I suppose clearing my cache would work too. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Volcanic Battlegear

I was just wondering if you could tell me what's up with the Tier 12 source template. I can't figure out why it's not correctly linking the tokens and gear for the heroic pieces. Take a look at the Volcanic Battlegear (heroic) set page to see what I'm talking about. Thanks in advance. Thenosis (talk) 23:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Apparently for the heroic versions you'll need to specify each item. Like done here. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I see so we just link each heroic version item inside of the double curly braces. Thanks Coobra!Thenosis (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Only the hands, legs and chest (in that order). --g0urra[T҂C] 16:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Your opinion is desired on this, sufficiently merged? Thanks in advance, TherasTaneel (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Compressing jpg-images

This does not currently explain how to compres jpg-image, I was hoping you could explain it to me as I'd very much like to, but don't know how and/or add it to the article. TherasTaneel (talk) 14:05, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

It's an option in GIMP and Photoshop when you save. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:10, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
hmm, ok. TherasTaneel (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

More duplicates

Found some more image duplicates (which I'm somewhat to blame for creating):

WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 16:08, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggested Changes for Wowpedia

Hey, I have made some suggested changes for Wowpedia’s Main Page (which you can find in my Sandbox). The most significant changes I recommended were the additions of the "Featured Article" and "Featured Media" sections. I was wondering if you could take a look at them and let me know what you think. Feel free to post on my talk page if you have additional questions or any other input as well. Thanks. Tycerius (talk) 03:00, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Main characters template

Hey there, This is just something that has pestered me for a while now. The template seems outdated and overall doesent make much sense anymore. I made my own version and i'll paste the regular one here for comparison. Thanks for you help. IconSmall ForestTroll Male.gifIconSmall IceTroll Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs)IconSmall SandTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Male.gif 22:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

My Own


Cdev questions

sorry to annoy you with thi, but is there anyway to make the stars Cdev questions article appear always horizontaly instead of going vertically some times, because it gets confusing sometimes.thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

hmm... they all appear horizontal to me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Strange to me they appear like this:
  • Silverstarsm.png
  • Silverstarsm.png

And i prefer if they looked like this

  • Silverstarsm.pngSilverstarsm.png

Which one are you seeing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:22, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The second set. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:39, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Ok that's really strange, is there something to do with screen size or browser? i'm using google chrome in this one.--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Firefox does exactly the same, the only way i managed to see the pictures in the horizontal is if i increase the size of the rating section by inserting straight lines in there--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way to increase the rating section without being seen in the article itself?--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't believe so, it modifies it's size depending on whats in the other parts, window size probably plays in it as well. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Sometimes you've got to really hate the code... the only solution i found is adding a string of letters in front of rating... and it workss(ex:ratingfffffffffffff)--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:22, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it is the code. Can anyone besides Ashbear reproduce this problem?--SWM2448 04:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I can post a screenshot if you like.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Warden icon

Just to be sure what happened, wasn't it supposed to be put in the creature list, after it was removed from the unique list?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Well... I suppose it should be, even though it's a just a class, not a creature. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Druids of the flame, various cultists?(i'm aware that some were requested by me), i just don't want a good icon to disapear.--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:12, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Go ahead and add it to the elves section. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I can't actually find the icon i tried maiev and Warden but no icon appears--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Couldn't help but spy. Here you are IconSmall Warden.gif. IconSmall ForestTroll Male.gifIconSmall IceTroll Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs)IconSmall SandTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Male.gif 20:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I tried to look for it but i couldn't find it, i see now that i forgot to add the Ext part
Anyway, could you change this icon name IconSmall DarkRider.gif to the one that was agreed? which was DarkRider. I would do it but i don't know how.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Done.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


Why can't critters be included under a "Wild creatures" list? It seems like relevant information about the zone, and I've seen them in other lists. If not, would it be acceptable to have them under their own subcategory/heading instead?--Weasel (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen them in lists, there might be an occasional list that someone added critters (I don't know), but the majority of the lists don't have them. Can always open a discussion in the forums about the topic of should or should not include them, but they really haven't been included in the past. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
It raises the issue of why you'd have "stag" in a list rather than "deer", but I'll leave it as it is for now.--Weasel (talk) 05:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Because stags are beasts in-game, while the deer are critters. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Quite a few are classified as beasts, just not in Gilneas. Stag isn't the species, but I suppose it's not important - where there are stags, there's logically does.--Weasel (talk) 05:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Forsaken 2

Moved to Talk:Forsaken#Continued.

C2C: quest givers

You marked various (race) quest givers as C2C but did not give the template the parameter indicating where you thought those pages should go. This was back in November and it looks like maybe some categories got removed and others didn't? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Those particular categories were to be split between the race and quest givers categories. The one thing about the C2C template is that it doesn't contain a split suggestion, only "this is incorrect and should go here instead" suggestion... I probably should have used the {{split}} template. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're saying the split would be. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
For example, the NPCs in Category:Forsaken quest givers should be split into Category:Forsaken and Category:Quest givers. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Dragonflights template

Could this be useful?

Blue Bronze Red Green Black

(Luxor (t/c) 11:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC))

Well i wouldn't know how to implement that and there are mor than those 5 dragonflight, also the blue, red and bronze letters are hard to see--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:13, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Someone else might know. It seems that Luxor was trying to make something similar to {{Race links}}, but it would be redundant with {{Dragonflightfooter}}.--SWM2448 17:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Category Removal

Yeah sorry 'bout that. Haven't edited on the wiki extensively much lately and forgot the tag for it.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 01:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

MoP Creatures

In the Art Panel there were various creature models showed, could i post them at World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria#Creatures in the creature gallery?
I will re-check the screenshot later but from what i remeber: Tiger, Crane, Ox, Elemental Ghost Statues
--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok so from what i can see in the list: Tiger, Crane, Ox, Water Elemental Ghost Statue, Rockfish, Unknown Elemental Ghost Statue, Bug, Wood Man
I'll review the art panel and see if i see more--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Are you talking about putting screenshots up in the gallery, or a list of the creatures from the screenshots? Cause you can start a Bestiary section if you'd like. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:53, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm... both? i also don't have any officials names for some of them...--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:03, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Yea, if you got the screenshots go ahead, I don't want to be the only one adding images =P Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
They could go in a gallery. If they don't have names, then they don't need them yet.--SWM2448 18:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
i'm going to transfer a lot from wowhead and mmo champion--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


So... why is he no longer a named mob? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

The named mob category is a parent of the rare mob category. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Quest list project and Dun Morogh quest list


I saw you just reverted the Dun Morogh quests edits I made and deleted the Dun Morogh quests (old) page I created. When I made the edits and created the page, I did so because I saw the "outdated" template and a new quests table stub on Dun Morogh quests and didn't realize there was a new storyline page (Dun Morogh storyline). Related to this, I have two questions:

  1. Is the list-based "storyline" the format for post-Cataclysm content? Has the Wowpedia:Quest list project table format been abandoned?
  2. Should the Dun Morogh quests page have the stub table of post-Cataclysm quests and the line "The following quests can be found in Pre-Cataclysm Dun Morogh:" removed and the "Removed from game" template added (ala Elwynn Forest quests)?

Thanks! JeffreyBarke (talk) 03:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the new naming format for post cataclysm has become storyline, rather than quests. Yes the old pages should have {{Removed}} (I did forget to add that didn't I). However, there's no need to point to the old articles if you don't want to, it's not a priority. As for the table format project, I do believe it's been abandoned for a long time, so the storyline is using a whole different format. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm new to both WoW and Wowpedia and didn't realize the quest list project was dead. I picked it up from the "Things to do" section on the community portal; it wasn't apparent to me that the project was no longer active until tonight, when I looked at the talk page after my edits were reverted. Maybe it should be removed from the community portal? JeffreyBarke (talk) 04:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Aye... many old projects that should be removed from there, thanks for reminding me. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Projects in general are dead, as is community collaboration in general, and (if I really want to get cynical) the "community" aspect in general. Definitely projects at least. They are an abandoned system, abandoned in favor of one user doing whatever.--SWM2448 05:17, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Battle for the Lost Isles

Me and a few others thought it would be a good idea to record the events on the Lost Isles. I made a page for it here User:MoneygruberTheGoblin/Battle of the Lost Isles. If im missing something please tell me. Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 17:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Who are "me and a few others", and where is your discussion? --g0urra[T҂C] 18:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Alliance-Horde war talk page. I didn't actually make the page yet.Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 18:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
You mean "me and one more person". "A few others" would imply more people than that.
Either way the events are already recorded elsewhere. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
And that is? Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs) 18:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
More like 3 persons... i suggested it and Lemonbaby and Moneygrubber also like the idea--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Gilnean Human race template

I was attempting to add a template for the Gilnean humans, icons, I've gone through the process of adding the icons and setting up the Dev and Doc in the Template:Race but I cannot actually finish the template as Template:Race is locked. Could you please unlock the template temporarily so i can finish the addition/do that end part for me if unlocking it is a no? Here are the icons: File:IconSmall Gilnean Male.gifFile:IconSmall Gilnean Female.gif. The icons I'm still working on making them look better, they're placeholders atm.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 22:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I saw your response to the thing I posted on the talk page for the icons, We've got Grimtotem icons (Which are just tauren with face paint), Dragonmaw and Mag'hari, which are just different colored orcs. Gilnean Icons wouldn't be too outlandish.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 01:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I understand where you're coming from... but I can't justify icons where the only difference is clothing... I hardly like making icons for different skin colors. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:18, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I've already made the icons, I'll handle that part, I just need the template part finished. I put the data for the template in the talk for the Icons in the template's talk page. And it seems that face paint would be worse than clothing personally. We've got icons for even lesser cosmetic changes. Atleast the gilnean one would have a proper usage (Could use the template to lead back to the gilneas page rather than the stormwind one whenever we use Human.). Also, The Highborne icons are literally Night elf icons with different clothing on.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 01:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but those icons are not up to the standards we hold here. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
The icons are currently a rough version, I'm intending on updating them later on, They're place holders.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 02:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'd rather see a finished icon, than add incomplete ones. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Will do.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 02:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I updated the icon a bit, Anything i should touch up on specifically?--Whitedragon254 (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Uploading MIME error

I tried to upload both PNG and JPG picture ot Tiala Whitemane, but kept getting the error "File extension does not match MIME type.". I've uploaded many pictures before and never encountered this. Has something changed? Thanks! --Widdly (talk) 08:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

That's usually because of the file type, you have to change it somehow--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You didn't add a file extension. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Forum:Proposed changes for Wowpedia's main page

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 13:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Images with wrong name

Hi! I was uploading images for the fish schools in Category:Image requests, and i uploeaded this two: File:Albino Cavefish School.jpg and File:Albino Cavefish School Underwater.jpg with the names reversed (the underwater is the first, and the surface the second). Can I ask you to exchange them? Thanks and sorry for the mess :) -- Forco sussura agli abissi 17:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks ^^ -- Forco sussura agli abissi 17:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

About creed.

Lord Hiram Creed is indeed a drakonid, He transforms into one during the fight.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 04:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Just wasn't sure, cause every where on the article including category was just dragonkin, and then the racebox said drakonid. Could have been a typo, good to know, thank you.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


While the point is, ironically, trivial, I have to say I disagree with your removal of my note from the Overlord Agmar page. While the wolves are listed in the infobox, the translation of their names is not. The section was written in order to present this information, which, while trivial, was to me of some interest. I've met Agmar and his wolves, but their names passed me by and are one of those neat little touches which for me add detail to the game. The vast majority of players are not sufficiently well-acquainted with Orcish to immediately (or indeed ever) realise that this is what their names mean.

It is, of course, completely trivial, but then that's the point of a Trivia section. Wowpedia is full of Trivia sections containing just such unnecessary information. Trivia as defined by Wiktionary:

insignificant trifles of little importance, especially items of unimportant information

So while I would be happy to agree that the information is trifling, insignificant and of little or no importance... that by definition only makes it perfectly suited for the Trivia section. Since I also consider it interesting, relevant and illustrative of Orcish culture in general (that they would choose to name their wolves Anguish and Suffering), I thought it worth adding. -- Taohinton (talk) 18:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Very well, I just didn't find it trivial since their meanings are their titles, so it wasn't unknown or hidden references/knowledge that might be overlooked. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Corrupted Blood

Why did you move it? "Corrupted Blood" is not used and having to search for "Corrupted Blood (debuff)" is harder

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Not used yet, the mob article hasn't been made. But as I see it, new content outweighs removed/old content. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Category Page

Quick question,

Ive been adding categories to quite a few category-less aticles adn wondered if we have a page that lists the categories we have on the site as this would make adding the correct tags a lot simpler (if only for myself) if there was a structured page with the categories and sub categories listed together:

Something along the lines of:

  • World of Warcraft
  • Epic
  • Guns
  • Staves

Etc etc

If something does exist can i be pointed in the right direction if not i may start working on one as a centralised list would help in my opinion,

Deludo (T If silence is golden why arent monks richC0 Peasents employed to do the work for me so far) 16:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

And lo and behold i find the category tree congratulations on the ability to influence my keystrokes and decision making to allow em to find the answer myself, will have to let me know where you learnt how to do it Deludo (T If silence is golden why arent monks richC0 Peasents employed to do the work for me so far) 19:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
A list of categories would be interesting to have to make things easier at a glance. Of course it would also be a massive page, until one is made you can use the consistency method (which works for a good portion of items), World of Warcraft will always come first, often followed by its quality or type and then slot and most often items at the end. So World of Warcraft <type> <slot> items for the most part. and World of Warcraft <quality> items unless its things that don't have a type like guns, trinkets and such and will instead have the quality part of their category like World of Warcraft <quality > guns. But yea, sometimes it can get a little confusing and at one point we were going to have the categories be automatic from the tooltips, but it never came to be. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Image problem

I've a problem picture in the gallery for Stolen Explorers League Document. Could you lend a hand? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

What is exactly the problem? It looks fine to me. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Yea, I'm not sure whats wrong either. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Was momentarily displaying a portrait aspect box, then removing it. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


I'm making you running after me... sorry, but even if I try to check everything, I always miss something :) -- Forco sussura agli abissi 22:38, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

It's ok, when I get bored, I check on the recent uploads and from there do corrections on the articles they're on. The fact that I'm doing very minor things to the articles you're creating is very good... most often times I'm doing major changes to fix or just clean things up, but you're articles are very clean, and I thank you for that. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:43, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm glad to know this ^^ thanks and good evening! -- Forco sussura agli abissi 22:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Filling the files

This is Darksora110, thank you so much for finishing up the pages when I first started. I will get it better as much less work you will have to edit or fix up what I've done wrong or missing. Thanks and have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!:) User:Darksora110

You too. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Shard of the Defiler

Just curious as to why the Shard of the Defiler isn't allowed to have an item page?

Only reason I could think of is it may be considered datamining, in which case [Crafty's Pole], [Peep's Whistle] and [Ashbringer] would also fall under that as well as everything listed here. Kiingy (talk) 07:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Talent Pages

What's gonna happen to all the talent pages in this wiki once MoP hits with the new ones (ex [Improved Power Word: Shield]), I'm gonna assume a "removed from game" tag and change it's category right?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

If they are removed then yes, they will go through the normal procedure of "removing" talents. Not sure what you mean by "[changing] it's category" though. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
it would make most of the ex:priest talents category,have a huge ass list of discontinued talents, since there are a lot less new talents. I think that's a problem, maybe a category for Discontinued Talents or Discontinued <Class> Talents.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:31, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Personal Question

Are you a Author of a addon? --Darksora110(talk) 23:10, 30 December 2011

Nope. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:22, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you know anyone that is or just an editor or this site? --Darksora110(talk) 4:13, 1 January 2012

Nope, sorry. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

That's all right. --Darksora110(talk) 4:13, 2 January 2012


Exposure to fel energy.png

Hey, I just made this image, you think it would be useful? (Luxor(t/c) 15:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC))

I think the correct term would be "Major" and not Mayor--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, English is not my first language. I fixed it. (Luxor(t/c) 16:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC))
I think it's excellent.Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 19:55, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. :) (Luxor(t/c) 20:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC))
Looks good to me. Could likely be useful on Fel corruption. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss