Archive of July 2015 to January 2018

Category:Something Awful Emoticons

I came across Category:Something Awful Emoticons through random perusal. User:Unaz seemed to think it questionable and I am in agreement. I don't think these files should be on Wowpedia but they are used in varied places and I'm not confident I could straighten it all out. Would you be willing to tackle this? Aliok (talk) 05:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


With new 'Relic' items coming in Legion (the equivalent of weapon drops), it seems we should move the current Relic article (which was RFG in MoP). However, there seem to be 300+ links to the article, mostly from relic item page. Assuming moving it does indeed make sense, a bot would be very helpful to fix all those links. -- Taohinton (talk) 02:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Most of the links involve item pages, so a bot won't be helpful. We'll have to change the code in {{itemtip}} to point to the newly moved article, but it might be best to wait on that. Blizz loves to change the names of things. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, and sure, that's definitely a possibility. -- Taohinton (talk) 23:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Named night elf characters category

Hello there,

In the past, I have repeatedly had to sort through the night elves category, which frankly is a mess. FOr the research that I am doing, it is important that the information is better sorted, which is what I was doing. Did I do something wrong? --Sacredless (talk) 18:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

If your research only calls for night elves, I'd recommend creating your own list somewhere either on your userspace or a spreadsheet. This way not only can you have it organized the exact way you want it, it can also have all the named night elves that don't have an article created for them yet.
As for the messy racial categories, do you have any suggestions, that avoid creating more categories? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I am more so curious why you are trying to avoid the creation of more categories. I did the research and found no policies that would indicate that a reductionist approach is undesirable. Why do it on my own again if I know me or someone else is going to need this category later?
Either way, you can't make categories more organized while avoiding categories, that's paradoxical. Instead, breaking the main racial category into several subcategories would help. Unique characters, categorical characters, objects, subjects, organizations. Something of the sort. Something less specific than "silverwing sentinels", which is a subsubcategory in the same category.--Sacredless (talk) 00:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
More categories just means more upkeep. I'm constantly having to move NPC articles from Category:Trolls into Category:Jungle trolls (and other subtypes), so to add more subcategories to each and every race for the purpose of different ways to organize them does not seem like a way to make things less messy.
Now the category "Silverwing Sentinels" exists because its a faction, specifically for the NPCs and rewards apart of it. It was never meant to help organize the night elf category. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
To drill down information, sub-categories aren't optional.
Can you recommend a tool by 48 hours of work which I can more easily mark the pages of unique, named night elves, so I can analyze their names? Because you are proposing that I do something that takes easily which I could have done in 6 hours. My userpage doesn't have the tools neccesary to categorize and sort all night elves. Can't you just let me do my thing, so I have an overview of what I'm doing? It seems like everytime I try to contribute to this website, someone wants to undo my work for an obsure reasoning or another and it's pretty frustrating. Sacredless (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea what the extent of your research is going to be about, so I'm not sure the best way to help you.... tell you what, go around and do your category thing. Link to this discussion so other editors won't undo your work and when you're finished let me know so that it can be undone. I know of no other quick solution since you're pressed for time it seems. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget about the elves in Category:Night elf ghosts, as they're not in the main night elf category. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
This is awkward, but... How do I link people to this talk? ._. Sacredless (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
[[User talk:Coobra#Named night elf characters category]] --Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


Ho there,

does Gul'dan (Warlords of Draenor) links need to be changed to (alternate universe) on pages?--Mordecay (talk) 10:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

They can be if you want to. After everything is ready we can just have a bot go through and change all of the links. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
On second thought a bot should be enough :D I realized too late that there are more than 50 links -:-/ --Mordecay (talk) 13:53, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Blackrock Clan

The pages with Category:Blackrock Clan has been corrected and it's ready to be... whatever it is gonna to happen to that category page. --Mordecay (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Crashin' and Burnin'

Crashin’ Thrashin’ Commander can be deleted. I made the mistake of clicking through from Patch 6.2.2, the text on which used the curly kind of apostrophes; the page had already been created. -- Taohinton (talk) 20:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


What say you, boss?

Categories are always a pain to move, unless we have a bot involved. I flagged it for {{c2c}}. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:54, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Celebration Package

There was no  [Celebration Package] for the 10th Anniversary. I asked Aliok about it, just to double-check, and she agreed with me. -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 03:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I know, its why I added a comment that it did not go live. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Varian Wrynn's article

Coobra, will you please protect Varian Wrynn's page once more? A different user has changed the succession and the NPC's status to deceased again. I reverted the edits but I feel it's going to keep repeating unless normal users are blocked from doing so. Please see Talk:Varian_Wrynn#Varian_is_Dead?. Aliok (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll protect it again if things get out of hand, but for now I'll just set up a notice on the page. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Article changes to items added to Toy Box in alpha

Hi Coobra, I noticed you changed several items to identify them as toys and add the patch change. I'm confused; I thought we aren't supposed to do that sort of thing until the next expansion is live? I was told once that articles should reflect the item in its current state, so PTR changes to existing items shouldn't be made until the changes are actually applied. Is that wrong? Thanks, Aliok (talk) 22:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

All changes made are commented out and are not shown. Only thing that is seen is the patch notes. So the articles are staying in their current form. Once Legion is live then we can removed the <!-- --> . It's just for easier editing. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Ahh, sorry. I didn't catch that at all. My bad. Aliok (talk) 03:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Source being changed to Sources by Coobbot

Hello Coobra! I follow a number of articles where your bot has made changes. I'm glad to have the new parameters to use for toy and reagent items, but why is your bot also changing the section heading Source to Sources? Aliok (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

That seems to be apart of the "general fixes" that AWB does, I suppose I can turn that off, though that would prevent many good changes from taking place. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't mind fixing it back to Source from Sources, I just want to make sure that it wasn't a style change which I was unaware of. Aliok (talk) 01:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I've been looking for a way to stop it from just that one change, can't seem to find a way. Seems to change it cause the wikipedia stuff considers Source just like Reference and makes both of them plural. =/ Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:53, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


Hey Coobra. I see your bot is fixing up the lootbox to itembox issue. One thing I noticed when changing some of them myself was that on some pages, the lootbox template was set up slightly different. In a way that doesn't work in itembox that is. Some pages were set up in manual rows or columns by adding extra vertical bars "|". As you can see was the case here. I think that format is quite rare, but just changing lootbox to itembox, may create a few issues, that I think might be hard to track. Unless there's a way to find pages with incorrect itembox templates. PeterWind (talk) 20:31, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

There was well over 2,500 pages using lootbox, to my knowledge it is a rare occurrence and not something I'm going to inspect on an individual basis. Doubt you would want to as well. As for tracking the addition parameters on the itembox, its not really an error, so it can't be tracked. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I noted that most articles that do have that issue going are bosses that drop tokens (cause it was used to split the tokens from the gear) and armor set articles. So that at least narrows it down for us. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Alright yeah. The others I saw were either vendor NPCs or old quest pages that was in need of updates anyway. But yeah even if I might have, in a way, liked the idea of doing that manually, I think the pros of just having a nifty bot do it, outweigh the cons anyway. PeterWind (talk) 02:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I've reverted the itemtip change which caused issues with {{lootbox}}. — foxlit (talk) 16:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure how these lines broke the lootbox... testing through the {{Itemtip/dev}} shows it working just fine. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
testing /dev
testing /live
I've corrected the test cases above to actually use {{itemtip/dev}} ({{lootbox}} controls which template is used to render the tooltips within, so both tests were using the live {{itemtip}}). — foxlit (talk) 10:03, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Gotcha, thank you. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:54, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Hymdall photo

i was going to give the halls of valor images for themselves as placeholders, any reason why you removed hymdall photo? - borgri (talk · contr) 02/04/2016 19:18

Anything smaller than 250x250 is too small for the infoboxes. Can barely tell what it even was at 150x150. More information can be found at WP:IMG. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
well, they are meant to be placeholders, so when someone ingame finally takes better images of them then they can be replaced, but i can try taking closer screencaps so they dont look blurry - borgri (talk · contr) 02/04/2016 19:50
JPG files are preferred so it would have been replaced anyway and the PNG file floating in the database unless someone actually tags it for deletion which doesn't happen all the time. Also the {{ss}} tag on top of the article stands out more (and it gets tossed into a request category) rather than a blown-up placeholder. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:56, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


Thank you for your welcome! ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xporc (talk · contr).

You're welcome. :) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:21, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

An increasing problem with RTS topics

I am all for documenting the RTS series, but let us say that I wanted to look up the human town hall...

For Warcraft Orcs & Humans we have
For Warcraft II we have
For Warcraft III we have

And then there are the Navigation boxes. Any thoughts?--SWM2448 21:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd merge the individual stat pages into the main Town Hall page and merge Warcraft II Buildings and Warcraft II Structures (how is that not redundant?). I can theoretically see the use of having a main page with all the structures, and the manual pages are useful reference. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:52, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Maybe this should be a forum post. It was always a little redundant. Most Warcraft III creeps have a lore and a statistics page. One Wowpedian made Warcraft II buildings and the individual pages over the last few days.--SWM2448 22:01, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Yea, probably best for a forum post, cause I wouldn't even know what to do with all these articles getting created. It's crazy. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Continued on Forum:Redundancy problem with RTS topics.

Spirehawk vs Firehawk

Why would you undo my Spirehawk page? Fire hawks don't have the same name, the same background, not even the same appearance. The "Aspect of Rukhmar" is also a spirehawk. Xporc (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Same with the solar flare mob from the Rukhran encounter. Where do we have the firehawk name as a description for Rukhan and Rukhmar? As far as I've seen, only the  [Blazing Firehawk] uses that name, and that pet is listed under both the former but also fire hawk. While the mobs and the pet using the model of the spirehawk mount could simply be younger firehawks, I'd say that the blazing firehawk pet speaks against that. Do we have the name from a quest description or? PeterWind (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Spirehawk has no source except for the name of a mount, we don't name a creature after mounts. Firehawk has a source, Rukhmar (tactics)#Dungeon Journal.
Now, here is what I see. Solar Flare (from Rukhran), Energized Phoenix (from Rukhmar),  [Firewing], Aspect of Rukhmar, and  [Solar Spirehawk] all use the same model. So they are either phoenixes or firehawks. The  [Blazing Firehawk] may use the Firelands fire hawk model, but its clearly meant to be a firehawk/phoenix of Draenor. I'm fine with moving all these creatures to phoenix with Rukhmar/Rukhran being firehawks. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Ah yeah you're right I missed the dungeon journal part. But yeah it's not easy either. Because as you say, one of those you mention has phoenix in it's name, while the mount is called a hawk. The model of the  [Blazing Firehawk] may just be that of the fire hawk, but it is closer to that of the two confirmed firehawks, than the Firewing. The solar flares from the Ruhkran encounter does the whole rebirth thing, ashes and all, so that fits well with the phoenix part. Without having a confirmed name for those birds, I think you're right about moving the aspect of ruhkmar and the mount to phoneixes, and just having ruhkmar and ruhkran and the blazing firehawk as firehawks. PeterWind (talk) 04:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
What a messy situation!Xporc (talk) 16:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Generally is when Blizzard creates new models for creatures without any lore to back them up. We've run into this issue many of times. Which is why naming can get confusing a lot with only a space making all the difference. =/ Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Sometimes their classification helps too. Like Fire hawks are elementals and Firehawks are beasts, but since  [Blazing Firehawk] is tagged as "flying", that doesn't really help. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Yeah also doesn't help that some of the birds now under the phoenix category were beasts, while others were elementals. PeterWind (talk) 21:01, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism and other loss of information

Hi Coobra, just wanted to ask a question. Wowpedia is the first wiki where I am an active contributor but now that I've been working steadily here for a few weeks, I am getting paranoid about vandals or people editing articles with too much haste and removing worthy informations forever.

Have you ever felt the same thing? Or are you relaxed because the Wowpedia team is already good enough at spotting troublesome vandals and editors? Now I find myself adding many articles to my watchlist even though I didn't edited them and I don't know if I am being too cautious. Xporc (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The information is never truly lost, even if a vandal edits in a disruptive way. Older versions can be restored through the history tab. Ofcourse you could say that if no one notices unfavourable edits being made, information is lost that way. I personally like to look through the recent changes tab every time I'm on here to see what people are up to. PeterWind (talk) 20:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your input Peter. Maybe I should start doing that... Xporc (talk) 21:23, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
The only way information could be irretrievably lost would be by deleting a page and then moving another page to the deleted page's space, but you'd need admin privileges to do that. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, the thing is that even if information can't be "lost" forever, it someones quietly removes an information and people notice only a year later, it'll still be hard to retrieve the information among all the numerous edits that were done since. And that's only if someone notices that the information was quietly removed in the first place. Xporc (talk) 09:08, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I used to follow every article I personally created just to make sure it wasn't tampered with (in a bad way), but most people that vandalize articles will either blank the page or replace random words with profanity and usually only on major or popular articles. So generally I only keep the major stuff on a watchlist. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Movie characters

Hi, now that Durotan is coming next week, I was thinking of what was previously said about the characters of the movieverse. You agreed to have Name (movie) for their articles but I was thinking that with the expanded literature it could be Name (movie universe) (since some don't appear only in the movie). Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mordecay (talk · contr).


Will you make the changes I requested on the Alliance and Horde infoboxes? ShadowShade81413 (talk) 19:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC) Well? ShadowShade81413 (talk) 18:04, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Deadeyes and Riflemen

Why the hell would you remove every single work I did without at least even giving a reason? Xporc (talk) 00:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

The term deadeye has been used long before the True/Iron Horde ( [Deadeye's Piece],  [Deadeye Badge of the Shieldwall],  [Dominator's Deadeye Badge]) and is just another word for hunters or more specifically marksmen hunters. The amount of terms Blizzard comes up every expansion to use on NPCs is large and to make an article for every similar term with just one line description is silly. "Deadeye" is even used in legion on demons. Articles like this may start as a "npc title" but often just turn into a disambiguation page where Deadeye is used in. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Look man, you've been working on this wiki waaay longer than me and I have a huge respect for what you do, but I think you're too trigger-happy when it comes to deleting one's work. When I joined wowpedia several weeks ago I read the various policies and guidelines and some of them are quite clear: be bold when updating, never delete content without a poll, one person's improvement is another's desecration and nobody likes to see their work destroyed without warning. So you had your reasons to remove the Deadeye page I created, that's alright, but then you could have tried different things instead of simply undoing every changes I did in the span of yesterday: you could have talked to me so we could work together or you could have tried to change the articles to add the information you just answered me. What you call "silly" is something I find interesting. The Iron Horde Deadeyes were trained by the former Kor'kron Deadeyes and I believe that is something worth being written somewhere on this wiki. I like working on "NPC titles" very much, this is why I overhauled the Brigand, Bandit, Conjurer, Cleric, Necrolyte and Necrolord articles, and Riflemen/Sharpshooters/Deadeyes were meant to be the next step of my work. Why did you also deleted the "Riflemen" category I created? Too few articles? I was just about to tag way more NPCs with it, I just have so much free time in a day, like everyone... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by xporc (talk · contr).
I personally think it's great to have pages for the various well established NPC titles. Sure, if only one or two NPCs use a specific title, a whole page may not be needed. I didn't see the deadeye page before it was deleted, but I don't see any arguements here as to why Deadeyes shouldn't have a page. Granted there aren't many differetly named deadeyes, outside the family name that is, but the Grom'kar Deadeye appears in several zones in WoD. With all the different classes in the warcraft universe, I don't think we can really just say, oh well he uses a sniper rifle, he's a definitely a marskman hunter. As of right now, all the deadeyes are orcs as far as I can see. I don't think it's fair to debunk this as an NPC class, because of a datamined satyr from Legion just yet. PeterWind (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Agreed with Peter. The classes need to be well established tho and need more than one or two sentences. Then I see no problem. --Mordecay (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Deadeye article

I uploaded an image of said Deadeye article. Something like this should (if anything) just be placed in main articles like the rifleman one. And you're right, I likely jumped the gun in deleting it. As for the Riflemen category, seems to me it would just contain every NPC in it that uses a gun... correct me if I'm wrong. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:33, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems, to me, making these articles would lead to making every type of article. Lets take murlocs for example.. would we need an article describing Coastrunners, Tidehunters, Foragers, Flesheaters, Tidecallers, Nightcrawlers, Streamrunners, Shorestrikers, Lurkers, Netters, Mudskippers, Puddlejumpers, Inkspewers, Muckdwellers, Coldbringers, Harpooners, Lakestalkers, Shorecreepers, Shredders, Gatherers... you see where I'm going with this? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:41, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Certainly. While I wouldn't nescesarily mind having a list of the typical "purposes" or titles on the murloc page I don't think that's really needed as all the murlocs are in the murloc category, which isn't too large to get an overview over. But yeah I agree it can easily be a slippery slope. The way I understand a page for riflemen, it would have to be just the very specific ones with that name or a close variation thereof.PeterWind (talk) 21:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Alright so first things first, sorry for being so blunt about this topic earlier. I'm passionate about WoW and I can get carried away ... so anyway, there's already a page about Riflemen and I honestly think it looks pretty good. I'm okay with adding the "Deadeye" information right into this main Rifleman article rather than giving them their own page. I agree that an article tsunami is not needed for articles that are just too generic, but in case of Deadeyes, I think the progression from Kor'kron to Iron Horde is important enough to be written about somewhere. Another example I'd like to give are the various Blood Drinkers you can find in most troll dungeons. Those guys are mostly always wearing plate armor and two-handed weapons and they all have the same "Blood Leech" ability so Blood Drinkers are clearly meant to be their own special troll-only NPC class, and I think that information is interesting enough to be written about somewhere - but maybe not right into their own page because it which would be too short. Xporc (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


Can you do something about this user who keeps linking his youtube channel everywhere? --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 19:05, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

He is replacing youtube videos that no longer exist from what I see. Is that not the case? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Most of his edits don't seem to be replacing videos? In any case he just seems to be advertising his channel. I can understand why we let Nobbel post his videos because he's a huge channel (even though he mostly just reads off Wowpedia) but this guy seems to have hardly any views. If videos can be removed that often without notice than why have them? What criteria would we use for the videos? Can you have a bot clean them up and tell him not to advertise again? ShadowShade81413 (talk) 05:24, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
I can see that in many cases he has replaced broken videos or added where there were no previous videos. So far so good in my opinion. In many cases he adds his video at the top of the page instead of under the ==Video(s)== tab, and in some cases when replacing videos, removes the video tab and places them at the top, where I would prefer the videos being under the video tab. I don't really like the "click here" annotations, but those can be switched off when viewing the videos. PeterWind (talk) 14:56, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't mind him adding his playthrough on the wiki, but he do need to keep the video under the proper tab yes Xporc (talk) 15:06, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
But the problem is why this channel, which has few viewers, out of all the playthroughs on YouTube? I think I have a solution. Lets use WTii's playthrough. He seems to be the biggest Warcraft channel on YouTube. ShadowShade81413 (talk) 18:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Recently I edited all the warcraft I pages to link to the same channel. There's not much viewers, but at least it was 480p Xporc (talk) 19:21, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but why exactly is the view count important here? PeterWind (talk) 04:39, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Well that was my point, number of viewers shouldn't be the priority, the best channel should be chosen regardless of popularity. But then again, how to select the best channels? It seems pretty subjective. Xporc (talk) 07:56, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Exactly. Number of views isn't a priority, but it brings up the question of "why him instead of anyone else?" If channel has a small following, that means the videos are more likely to be taken down, and we'll have this problem again. I agree the only possible solution if we're going to keep a sample video is to choose the best channel, that's why I proposed the most prominent Warcraft 3 YouTuber. ShadowShade81413 (talk) 18:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Well it seems the poor guy got his account terminated by Youtube... Xporc (talk) 21:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, kind of why I didn't want videos all over the place on random pages like quests that last 10 seconds.... now the cleanup begins. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I think I got them all. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Yay! Xporc (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


Hey Coobra. Could you add the new currency [Nethershard] to the cost template? I'm guessing "cost|ns=" makes the most sense? PeterWind (talk) 17:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Done, also added the others. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:37, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Ah great! PeterWind (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Elite Tauren Chieftain

Hi, I was wondering if you thought should be added under an external link-section or not, it's not much to look at atm nor updated though. TherasTaneel (talk) 12:07, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Eh, sure why not. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 13:57, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Small icons

Hi, it's been a long time in here, so it might have changed how things work, for some reason the {{RaceIcon|Eredar|Female}} gives IconSmall Draenei Female.gif and not IconSmall Man'ari Female.gif like {{RaceIcon|Man'ari|Female}}, same goes for the male version. Not sure if it should be changed by changing the file, making a redirect or replacing the icon altogether, thanks in advance. TherasTaneel (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Wow it has been a long time, the Eredar icons has been redirecting to the Draenei ones since 2009. I think discussions were had about the whole naming scheme for the Eredar, Draenei, and Man'ari Eredar and how it currently is was the result. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:19, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Main Stat

Several items grants "Agility or Strength or Intellect";  [Pit Fighter's Punching Ring] as an example. Can you add a string for the Template:Itemtip, that goes like "agility/strength/intellect="? PeterWind (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, thought I already did this. Let me check. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I put it in as agility/intellect/strength, which is what I first saw items using. I'll switch the int and str positions. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:41, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Ahh ok yeah I must have missed it when I looked earlier. Thanks! I see you added the brackets aswell. They appear on the tooltip on wowhead, but are they actually ingame aswell? I can't really remember at the top of my head. PeterWind (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
I can't remember either, also haven't been paying attention to the items much. Let me know if they don't and I'll remove them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:06, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Sure thing. I'll check next time I'm on. PeterWind (talk) 06:13, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
As far as I can see, when looking at items with main stats, the appropriate stat will be displayed in green while the other/two other options are simply greyed out. I don't think we need the brackets. PeterWind (talk) 23:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I'll go back to using / then. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Film copyright

Since we already have a lot of images from the film on the site, and probably more (and sequels) to come, might it be worth adding an "Image from Warcraft films" copyright option? We seem to have one for everything else. Otherwise the best option seems to be "from the official website or other Blizzard sources". -- Taohinton (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

While we already had a category Category:Cinematic images for the things produced by Blizzard, I think we can include the film into this as well. Its been added to the licensing options. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:37, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


Hi yet again, there are two articles on the same mob; Sargerei Summoner and Sargerei Summoner (Tanaan Jungle). TherasTaneel (talk) 01:34, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Page locked

Hello there! Gourra recently locked the Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness manual page, presumably because I undid one of his edits there. The lock is indefinite and so far he hasn't answered my question about how legitimate the lock is. So, since I have to fix some links on the page, could you unlock it please? Or at least talk to him about it? Xporc (talk) 10:12, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Believe he locked it out from edits to protect it as a source to use for references. If anything needs correction go ahead and use the talk page to point things out. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't believe so considering the pages for the Warcraft I, BTDP and Warcraft 3 manuals are not locked. Gourra just locked that one page a day after I undid his stuff so it's not hard to see the correlation. Will report the fixes, even if I don't believe such situation has a place on a wiki. Xporc (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey man, I know you probably don't wanna do this, but I'd really appreciate if you could fix the last Scouting link in the Elven Lumber Mill description (it should link to Scouting instead, makes more sense for the context). The Polymorph spell description should also link to Critter (Warcraft II) instead of Creep. Aaaand finally, I'm not convinced by the titles of the "Places of Mystery" linking to in-game missions. The links should probably be removed, with only keeping a link to Caer Darrow in the "The Runestone at Caer Darrow" title. Xporc (talk) 10:32, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks man. Xporc (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey man, how are you doing? I got troubles with another locked page. The "Template:Bc-section" ... Could you either unlock it, or put italics on the "The Burning Crusade" link? Game names are usually put in italics, are they? Xporc (talk) 00:51, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Sure thing. Done. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 16:34, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks man! Xporc (talk) 16:35, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Curious Coins

It seems that the [Curious Coin] used to purchaes the items at Xur'ios is also a currency. Could you add it on the Template:Cost? PeterWind (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. PeterWind (talk) 01:08, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

New user behaving strangely?

Hey Coobra. Sorry to bother you, but could you take a look at UserProfile:Pontte01 and especially his contributions? I'm not a native English speaker and while I can correct most of his grammar and typography errors, I'm not sure I can find everything he does ... Xporc (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:28, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey. Sorry to bother again, but the guy keeps posting his gibberish despite me having warned him about doing better. Seriously, "During the final battle at the tomb of sargeras the horde abounded the alliance.Just in time the skyfre appears everybody escapes except varian who sacrificed himself when gul dan throw a fel magic on him that causes his body to blown up"? What's the rule about users writing like this? Xporc (talk) 22:07, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Don't think we have a policy on editors that write poorly. Wowpedia:Editing policy. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:14, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for your quick answers. By the way, I still feel mildly bad about that Deadeyes incident a few months ago, hope it didn't bothered you too much. You're doing a great work with this wiki Xporc (talk) 22:25, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Quest Page Tables

Hello there, I'm an on-and-off editor here with a fair bit of experience from other wikis, and I'm really interested in improving the quest pages on the wiki. I've already started out doing a bunch of work on some of the earlier quests (starting experiences, low level zones) by just adding flavour text, but I think the quest line pages would be greatly improved if there was a central point of information that people could look up quickly. To that end I created a quest table template that I think would look nice on the quest pages, but it's a pretty dramatic change so I wanted to check before I went ahead and started doing it everywhere. I have an example on my userpage of how it would look for the Kezan quests. Do you think it would be allowable if I started putting that on all of the quest pages? I think it should be added in addition to the existing quest lists - not replace it. Both templates are useful for people looking to find information. I know this is pretty rambly and probably unclear, so if you have any questions feel free to ask me - and don't be afraid to say no if you don't think it's wise. This is a huge task so I'd much rather stop now than after making 50 of them. Thanks, JustHelping2 (talk) 03:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

By adding them to the quest pages, you mean pages like Goblin starting experience (and other storyline articles) and not the individual quests like H IconSmall Goblin Male.gifIconSmall Goblin Female.gif [1-20] Taking Care Of Business right? Cause I see no issue with adding that info to the larger articles, but there will probably be an issue if its with the individual ones. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Exactly, just a new section at the bottom of the page labelled "Quest List" or something similar with that table in it. JustHelping2 (talk) 18:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Seems good to me. :) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


I noticed you removed the Warglaives items category, but I'd just like to point out that they are categorized as "Warglaives" in-game, not "Warglaive". Should it not be that category then instead of Warglaive items? I know, the grammar makes no sense, but that's how it is. --g0urra[T҂C] 16:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Thought it was changed to Warglaive, both categories were being used so I condensed it to one of them, but used wowhead to see how they were all labelled as. They have it wrong I see. =/ Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Well, for the longest time they called Storm relics as Air, and Frost as Water... And they are rubbish at the loot stats. --g0urra[T҂C] 19:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This action has been automatically identified as harmful

Hey there! I've been trying to edit a page, but every time I do, I get the message "This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Global AF - New user adding link at end or in heading". Problem is, all of my edits were text-only, I wasn't actually adding any links, or modifying existing ones.YFNSpider (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I see you making edits, so I guess it works for you now? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, it just started working a couple minutes after I left that comment, so I guess we're good. False alarm. :PYFNSpider (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey YFN. Gamepedia's edit filters are a bit twitchy when new editors make edits to sections that have links in them, as we get a lot of spammers that do that. Sorry for the trouble. Coobra, if editors complain with a message along the lines that TFN gave, head to Special:AbuseLog to see what triggered the filters. --k_d3 20:06, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Items moved but not working anymore?

Hello, I see that you have moved the  [Felstone] and  [Molted Feather] items. That is OK but it seems that pages that were previously referencing the items, such as the Felstone,  [Molted Feather], Horde Supplies and Legion_Invasion#Buffs pages are now bugged, with the links still pointing to the old names even though the sourcecode shows it's pointing to the right one. Do you have any idea at why this would happen?

Also I saw that you used a bot to add "doc=}}" to a ton of Legion Invasion related pages. What does this do? Xporc (talk) 08:49, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

The "doc=" in infoboxes prevents the article from being added to most categories that the other parameters in the box would otherwise add it to, such as item quality and weapon types. With removed tamable beasts, a doc=1 is used instead.
As far as I know, the buggy links are sometimes caused by the cache, and will usually resolve itself after a day or two. Not entirely sure on that one though. PeterWind (talk) 10:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh no, now I feel stupid as heck for not knowing about the "doc=" trick already. I would have gladly put it myself on all the pages I worked on during the invasion ... Thanks! Xporc (talk) 10:10, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Don't worry, it takes time learning and remembering all those tricks and templates :) PeterWind (talk) 18:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Felo'melorn image

Coobra, would you do me a favor and delete File:Felo'melorn examined 1.jpg? I realized that I should have cropped more off the image. Thanks, Aliok (talk) 21:00, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Lost Ones

Hello Coobra. If you don't mind, could you please update the "Template:Race" template so that it links to Lost One instead of Lost one? Thanks ^^ Xporc (talk) 18:06, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! It's been bothering me since I was working on cleaning the Lost One page. Xporc (talk) 09:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Mh it's weird, it didn't seemed like it work. If I take a look at the Lost One Chieftain, even though I wrote its race as "Lost One", on infobox it still appears and link to "Lost one" ... Xporc (talk) 09:28, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Template:Race doesn't connect to Template:Npcbox. The npcbox by default will lower case all races, if a race actually requires caps (which is usually rare) then a redirect can be made to the correct article. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Alright, thanks again Xporc (talk) 18:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Coobra! Similarly to last time, could you please update the "Template:Race" template to link to Sayaad instead of Succubus? There are two links in the page. Xporc (talk) 15:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, haven't been to the site much lately. Request completed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Hey man, it's good to see you back. Thank you kindly, hope things have been going OK for ya Xporc (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Brawler's Gold

Hey Coobra. There's a new currency for the Brawler's Guild. Could you add it as "bg" on Template:Cost? PeterWind (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

The Burning Legion destroys life or planets?

Hi, I would like to signalling you this discussion; if you want to give your opinion you are welcomed! cheers, --Xnsyntfxynytnh (talk) 12:18, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Small Icon Page

Hi Coobra, Could you glance on this page to see if we can make it a bit of cleaning (removed and updating some of them )? Because Wowpedia talk:List of race icons was not updated since a moment an I wanted to complete some new requests Klakmuf 23:02, 10 January 2017

I'd think you're more in a position to know what has been updated and what is still needed. I don't think I've been giving the icons a bit of love for awhile now. So feel free to remove any requests that have been completed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Requests for comments

Can you please weigh in on some of the things filling the RFC category, if you have not already?--SWM2448 01:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Icon Colour Variations

So I've been doing a bit of a rework for the icon pages, adding headers and TOCs and whatnot for quicker navigation. Though that aside, I've been talking to Klakmuf about how he makes the icons, since well, I'm new to the place and can't exactly say I know a lot. But, he brought up when I mentioned icon colour variations that you might not be too fond of it. So, I figured I'd come here and ask unless you've seen the conversation on his talk page. Basically, I want to add colour variations to some icons, just for the purpose of aesthetics mainly in fanfic pages. So it isn't anything important, just a "quality of life" thing. For example, the only draenor raptor icon is blue, and here I am, wanting to add green/red, etc as well. WarGodZajru (talk) 19:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

We frankly have too many icons representing creature types as is, but thats a topic long since dead. I'd say make all the icons you want for fanfic purposes, just don't put them on the icon pages so we don't flood them with color variations. Also, maybe not as important, but try to avoid naming the files in a way that would interfere with future ones. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Alright, gotcha. Thank you for the heads up, I'll make sure to make it work proper. WarGodZajru (talk) 13:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


Hello, will you please make these changes I requested?[1][2] --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 17:18, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


Hey Coobra. Could you add feathermanes under Ferocity pets on the Template:Npcbox? PeterWind (talk) 12:49, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Unique Small Icons

Hello. I was wondering if you would be able to make small unique icons for High Commander Halford Wyrmbane, Grand Admiral Jes-Tereth, Master Mathias Shaw, Tess Greymane, Lorna Crowley, Taylor and Nazgrim. Any you could do would be extremely helpful. --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 04:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to add them to the request section of Wowpedia talk:List of unique character icons. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:36, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip :) --ShadowShade81413 (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Icons & text by quest names

Hey boss,

  1. Now that Legion brought back profession quests, would it be possible to update a template or something so that profession icons would show up next to quest names aka race and class icons in H IconSmall Orc Male.gifIconSmall Orc Female.gif Hunter [3] Etched Parchment?
  2. Similarly, a word or an acronym should maybe be added to world quest names (N [45WQ] Vampirates!) as with daily quests - A [15-35 Daily] Eviction Notice? --Mordecay (talk) 01:10, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I added WQ to the template for world quests. World quests that use "category=World Quest" should be switched to their proper category which is likely the zone they're in and have "type=World Quest" added instead.
As for the profession icons, I'm a little out of practice with that, I attempted to add them... might require more wiki coding, like in the background stuff. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Regarding that, look at this Agmond's_Fate#Quest_Progression. This seems to be the thing I asked and u tried it? There's seems to be an extra space which could be the reason id doesn't show, maybe?
Edit. I'm confused, tho, these quests are not profession quests. --Mordecay (talk) 21:05, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Ok, well since it was wasn't working anyway, I reverted the change. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:03, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Also add "WQ" for Rare Elite world quests N [45REWQ] A Friend of My Enemy? --Mordecay (talk) 00:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Also add "WQ" for profession world quests like N [45WQ] Work Order: Aethril? --Mordecay (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Done.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
All quests except the first three here should have it, but they don't. --Mordecay (talk) 15:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm thinking it has something to do with the wiki itself ... "should" be fixed on Monday they say. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Which Monday? :-D --Mordecay (talk) 00:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Isn't it working already? Xporc (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Lul I probably looked at wrong quests! :D Sry! --Mordecay (talk) 13:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Also add "WQ" for quests that have "|type=Battle Pet World Quest" (N [45BPWQ] Size Doesn't Matter) --Mordecay (talk) 23:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Done. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


Coobra, do you know if we have something like what we could call Template:Artifacts? I mean, a template listing all the artifacts in Warcraft lore, like the Book of Medivh, Fearbreaker, Thas'dorah, Ashbringer, the Eye of Dalaran, the Eye of Sargeras, Gorribal, Bloodhoof Runespear, Jeweled  [Scepter of Sargeras] and many others. If no, I suggest its creation. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 21:17, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The one problem I see immediately is that what is or isn't considered an artifact is incredibly subjective. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
It's a slippery slope similar to the "Major characters" we got rid off yeah. We already have Category:Items with proper name although a lot of those aren't "really" noteworthy or considdered artifacts, which again just links back to what DTZ said. As much as I think a template like that might be interesting, I don't think we have the term defined clearly enough for it to work as intended. PeterWind (talk) 00:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Maybe a good pattern to make different what should be included on the template or not is put on objects that have made in lore. To distinguish, the name of the template could be Lore artifacts. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 17:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
At which point you're basically going to get literally everything that has a name, making the template so massive as to be useless. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
If a template should exist, it should serve a more precise purpose than a category I'd say. PeterWind (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Artifacts existed as a label in Warcraft III. Category:Warcraft III artifact items.--SWM2448 22:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm making a prototype here. Still lacks some short of information; I have not made an overview to make sure all notable artifacts are included. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 19:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Several of those are either stretching credulity to call artifacts, or are entirely speculative due to sharing models with weapons wielded by faction leaders despite not having any real lore. It's also enormous and features items with a questionable connection to each other beyond "it has a name" or "a major character has it." In short, I still don't see a good reason for such a template to exist.
Before you go any further, if you really feel this template is justified, you need to be able to answer this question: What is an artifact? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
We have an wikipedian definition. For what I'm searching for, an artifact is an object that arouse a special interest for it, because of its importance, been for its usefulness or (mainly and definitively) for its historical value. What an object berry to be an artifact and how important can be is it historical meaning. For the example, the mankind values objects that made special apparitions on important historical moments, like the crown of a revolutionary king, the shirt of an champion soccer player or emblematic objects that are recordable both on films fiction and reality, like Harry Potter's stick, the very famous One Ring or a certain accursed sword. The potential of an object, its amount of power or how it is treated can also indicate if it's an artifact. For the example, something sealed away in secret or with potential and power to cause a disaster, like the Eye of Sargeras, could certainly be found out as an artifact. On the template, I'm trying to put the most notable ones that made some kind of special apparition on Warcraft lore, including some that ended being wielded by special characters. Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 20:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
That definition is so broad as to be useless, though. What is the point of having a navigation template for "everything that can be construed as significant"? It also doesn't answer my initial concern about subjectivity. Who decides it's significant? You're trying to put the most notable ones, but who decides what's notable? Who decides what's special? This is precisely the reason we axed the "major character" categories, because there's no objective way to determine who is or isn't major, just as there's no objective way to determine what objects are or aren't significant, notable, or special enough to be included. If that's the reasoning you're going off of, then this is really just a "major objects" template by another name.
A navigation template just for artifact weapons is absolutely fine, but trying to expand that to encompass other items using a Wikipedia definition of an in-game term that necessitates highly subjective value judgments is not a good idea and is unlikely to result in anything other than endless arguments over what should or shouldn't qualify. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Blizzard is frequently not sure with statements and an unreal game/universe is (very) often more subjective or imprecise than the reality. Just as an old playable ball is better than no one and just as a poor education is better than no one, what do you think about the phrase: "It's better an some imprecise template than no one?". Gabrirt (talk · contributions) 21:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
It's not just that the template would be imprecise, it's that it's ENTIRELY subjective. The only definition we have for artifact as it pertains to Warcraft is for artifact weapons. Literally anything else on that template would be added solely because someone thinks it's a major item (and again, look at the old major character category for how that turned out), and at that point it's useless to put on a navigation template because it's NOT related to artifact weapons. It would be like making a template for reputation factions and then adding other groups that you can't get rep with because they're also organizations. AT BEST you're making an argument for a "Major Items" category--NOT a navigation template--and even then I have serious misgivings about its usefulness for all of previously enumerated reasons. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
As a template for your own userpage I think it's just fine as a list over noteworthy weapons/items, but if even Blizzard is unsure of what constitutes as an artifact, we probably shouldn't make that call. Unless the included subjects are specifically refered to as such in official content. PeterWind (talk) 23:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


Hey, could u look at [3]? When I changed the |race= line into the |races= line, the information from the |creature= line doesn't show up in the infobox. Could it be fixed so that it show up with the |races= line? --Mordecay (talk) 15:04, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

The creature type isn't supposed to display when you use "races" instead of "race." That being said, in this specific case using "races" is wrong, because it's not a mob that can appear as different races. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:22, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Why the creature type isn't supposed to display with "races"? --Mordecay (talk) 12:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Typically when |races= is used it contains a list of races and having the creature type would make the long section even longer and lengthen the infobox even more. I suppose that was the reason. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


heya, just wanted to ask what was wrong with those edits on Olut Alegut & Rork Sharpchin. was it displaying weirdly on your end or something? -- Eithris (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

ohhh wait i see what you did. okay. i was worried about wide itemboxes getting made even wider, but now that i see 'em with the change applied, they actually don't look bad :0 -- Eithris (talk) 00:55, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Wowpedia race icons

Hiya, I was curious about how you make race icons such as: this. I feel like updating the Zandalari icons to properly reflect them. As they're currently stuck with HD vanilla-WotLK skins in their icons... it's yuck and not accurate.. ;-;

What I have in mind is to use the "alternate" icon for Zandalari males from MoP (this one IconSmall Zandalari Male.gif) paired with a female troll using these WMV presets:
Skin: 15
Face: 2
Hair Style: 2
Hair Color: 9
Tusks: 1

Result is this gyazo image, it's as close as you can get to a female Zandalari with the female troll customization. Pale skin, glowing blue eyes (which is seen on some Zandalari), etc.

I don't know if you prefer to make a female troll icon out of that on your own, rather than trying to explain to me how to do it properly so that they match up with the rest, lmao. You do what you feel it best, I just.. I'd love if you could help me out with that. c:

Cus it's about time those icons get updated since MoP... :p – WarGodZajru (talk) 01:36, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

I went through many of the Zandalari models and noticed their hair range color was between a seaweed green like color to black and I changed the tusks to be consistent between all icons along with editing the eyes. Here's the result. IconSmall Zandalari Female.gif Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Nice. Xporc (talk) 22:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, it's great and the best we can have for now. Thanks. c: WarGodZajru (talk) 19:17, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Wotlk icon

Regarding to my comment here and to the time you reverted from what you've said: "everything points to this one, there's no need to change it.". I've already changed everything to point to png instead of PNG, while most of the articles were because of the {{Wotlk-inline}}. Only some of which had to be manually changed since it pointed to the file itself. There should be no reason to revert especially since nothing is pointing to the original file name now. — SurafbrovWowpedia's wiki representative T / C 14:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

k. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:55, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Bot status

I saw on a forum thread that your bot has been broken for 9 months. What's wrong with it? Anything I can do to assist? --IconSmall Wildkin.gif Alianin T C 15:35, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, I made a bug post on it here (, it doesn't seem to be too much a concern. Its not a huge priority to me anymore though, I've been pretty busy with IRL stuff. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:17, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Take a look at this page on the Help wiki and I think it should fix your issue. --IconSmall Wildkin.gif Alianin T C 18:41, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Just reading your issue and that page Alianin linked sounds a lot like something that could fix your problem. Wish you good luck getting your bot back in shape! — SurafbrovWowpedia's wiki representative T / C 18:57, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Well that fixed it. Thank you Alianin, you have my gratitude. I gift to you the Greater Glory of the Order. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:24, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Glad it got sorted out! I'm sorry it took so long for this to be noticed. :( --IconSmall Wildkin.gif Alianin T C 19:43, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Its ok, I never brought it up and didn't go digging too far into it. haha Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


Hey man, Gamepedia has a Slack channel for us, do you want to create an account? Xporc (talk) 17:43, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, we're switching to this instead of the IRC channel now? ... not that I've been on the IRC in months haha. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:53, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Every current active admin beside you is on Slack now :D Xporc (talk) 18:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Good to know. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC) --PcjWowpedia admin (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 18:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Sea hags

Remember you asked me about if the Sea hags were going to be in BfA? Well, it seems there is something called Drustvar Hag and it seems to be it.

Is that enough confirmation? --Ryon21 (talk) 11:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Works for me. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)