You rule :) I have to admit I was worried when I saw someone edited my user page, but I was so thankful for the code cleanup -- thank you! <3 --Pinktoque 13:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Guild:Refugees Raid Deleted, no apparent reason.

Greetings, I was rather puzzled to receive notification that you had deleted an informational entry for my raiding group. I also have to mention that the majority of the other Guilds and Raids listed on the Argent Dawn US raid progression article have not been deleted.

I am not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I would like some sort of explanation other than "go read about guild pages." I don't see that there was anything on that page which would violate anything on the creation guidelines.

Forgive me if the formatting doesn't come out right for this post, I am terribly noobish about wiki systems still, and wanted to make contact as soon as I could.

RoT-Squeak (talk) 20:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I don't remember seeing it being marked with {{Stub/Guild}}, or I would have fixed the issue. Is there any way it can be reinstated so that I can fix it?
RoT-Squeak (talk) 08:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Guild: Tao of Odin

I'm new to creating content on WowWiki and the communications used so please let me know if this should go somewhere else or if there is a better method for communication. Can you please tell my why Tao of Odin's page was deleted at the beginning of the month? I would like to either remake it or create an entirely new page but obviously don't want to make the same mistake twice. Please let me know so I can ensure whatever was wrong doesn't happen again. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mariposah (talk · contr).

Argent Crusade

Would you partecipate to the discussion? It goes on at Baggins talk page but started on mine. --N'Nanz (talk) 19:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Read last post by Baggins on his talk page. There are issues about Alliance/Horde direct/non direct affiliation --N'Nanz (talk) 19:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

A question

I saw some days ago that I had been blocked by you on WoWWiki, 1 day in total, because a user named Geezalol had "used my IP address". I'm not sure what to make out of this! Do I have reason to be worried? How could this person be able to use my IP adress? Thanks in advance. --WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Guild: Tao of Odin

Thanks for the response :) is there anyway I could get it restored so long as I fix the problem asap? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mariposah (talk · contr).

Re: Bot

thanks for the info, should be fixed now -watchout 22:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


What's wrong with having helpful template redirects? Is there a policy I'm not aware of against them. I know wikipedia's policies on the matter is

  1. Readers first
  2. Then editors
  3. Finally system

If it hurts the readers, don't do it. If it doesn't matter to the readers, but helps the editors, do it. If neither care, but affects the system performance or whatever, only then optimize for the system. Mckaysalisbury (talk) 22:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Usually, I notice it on a preview, because I try to remember to preview before save. But here's once when I did it: [1]. Here's another one for today. [2]. Also, I'm totally fine with it being a redirect, over a template re-transclusion. I don't really care. If it helps the system, great. Mckaysalisbury (talk) 22:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Carpet Mounts

Can you help me show that they are an item, that teaches you a new spell?  [Flying Carpet] and  [Swift Flying Carpet]. I noticed that  [Magnificent Flying Carpet] is now out of date as well - it's now a spell. Howbizr (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Guild page

Why did you delete the page from The Awakening on the US trollbane server?! Can you tell me whats wrong with it so i can fix it? And how can i undo your deletion —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xotli (talk · contr).

noob question

Hi :) I have a question, I'm a complete noob to editing on wowwiki. I've read the Help:Ability articles page. If I find an ability page that is in different format than that described on Help:Ability_articles, for example, having bullet points instead of double enters, or a Tips header instead of Tips and Tactics, can I / should I correct this? Tinunduil (talk) 14:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the help with the equip lines the line break makes sense. I was wondering if you should do something similar with things like attributes? I know that on some of my tooltips they were showing up in my Firefox horizontally where I always felt they should be on their own line. Jamesofur (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the help. Like I said, I'm a noob at Wowwiki :(. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Extreme Guild page Deletion,

Why did you delete Extreme guild page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Legendfusion (talk · contr).

That goes for the Hyjals Last Stand page of Bloodfeather as well. What is your right to do such a thing? There was no wrong information nor did we violate any guidelines. We spend time working on our pages. Please respond and give reason and right to delete our pages. TY

Front load

Why did you delete my Front_load page?


The Awakening

Hey, that would be great if you can rebuilt the site info onto my personal talk page

Re: User screenshots

I'm assuming this is a request to categorize them as such when I upload them? If so, can do, and will do. --Joshmaul (talk) 15:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

My Sig

I know its a little off but im still working on it, and i would perfer that you tell me first before you change my sig.. Im trying but i dont have expert image editing programs. I only have very basic ones. Please leave me a msg on my talk BEFORE you change my sig, i dont mean to sound like a jerk but with my limited editing programs its hard to make stuff.--User:Whitedragon254You know im seriously 1337 now. {T1337 to the extreme.CThe dragon protects me...that and my MG 30 glock of course..) 03:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I tried to make it so it was 20 pixels high, looks way bad. Im trying dude.--User:Whitedragon254You know im seriously 1337 now. {T1337 to the extreme.CThe dragon protects me...that and my MG 30 glock of course..) 04:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


Don't suppose you can let me delete my angry rant, I was irritated when I put it. I realize you were just doing what's expected.--Syteless (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for keeping PSOT safe, Gourra. :D --Diagas 10:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Found someone

Think I found someone worthy of vandals list, Scrubs22. Put random advertisement on the Karazhan and Death Knight pages.

Wasn't sure what to do about it other then revert the edits, so I decided to talk to you about it. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 21:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Could you explain to me why you deleted my Trivia add? I think that jaeden isnt a random-took name, just when i saw this name the first time i was pretty sure that there were some ulterior motives from blizzard by choosing this name. By the way in german ae is taken together to the letter "Ä" which is pronunciated the same way as an short englisch "E" like in the name Perry. If you would say to a german person and you dont know each "Kil'jaeden", the person would be 100% afraid. Salvathor (talk) 22:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for tidying up my the stuff I added about Dr Sintar Malefious :) - Archnazg


Whey did you remove the templating from [Residue of Darkness]? Howbizr (talk) 22:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Server page policies?

Hi Gourra,

Thank you for directing me to the guild page policies. I apologize for overstepping the bounds unwittingly. The data in question has since been restructured to be in line with the letter and intent of Wowwiki policy.

I was unable to find a similar policy guideline for server pages (eg. WW:SERVER). Please point me towards one if it exists. Having begun the process of massively restructuring my server's (Magtheridon US) pages, it would be spiritually devastating to find entire stubs deleted after putting so much time and care into them. Perhaps you'll have a moment to analyze a brief overview of my planned architecture, and let me know what would be acceptable or not.

Using a modular (transclusion-friendly) architecture, the stubs would be:

  • Server: Home page, navigation/general infobox
  • Server/PvP: PvP overview infobox
  • Server/Season X: Seasonal overview of all brackets
  • Server/Season X (Bracket): Integrated breakdown for more thorough data comparison than the Armory provides
  • Server/Raids: Raiding overview infobox (current era)
  • Server/Raid Zone: Dual-faction detailed history per boss
  • Server/Era RaidSize Faction: Factional progression scoreboard for 10, 25, or 40 man content of the era
  • Server/Schedule Faction: Factional schedule overview to help find guilds which fit potential applicants' lives
  • Server/Guilds: Dual-faction guild directory
  • Server/Recruitment Faction: Factional recruitment by class/role; Likely going to skip this as it might be too much work
  • Server/Tradeskill: Dual-faction tradeskill listings for rare and popular goods

Being new to wiki editing, I'm quite excited by the potential of this medium. While my guild already has an active website and forum, I'm considering an intra-guild oriented wiki for us (to manage tabular data such as professions, and full-bodied rosters). Are there any starter packages you'd suggest? Would it be possible to transclude source data from our guild-hosted wiki to Wowwiki's pages, thereby preserving your bandwidth? Thank you in advance for your guidance!

Anthara 08:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Which Editor

Do you use Gimp to edit those icons? See Current Projects. Howbizr (talk) 19:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Cat Figurine

"It's the same thing." - Please explain. It seems to me that a landscape object and an inventory item are entirely different. Note that they have different external links. Madkaugh (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Another example is the  [Roughshod Pike]. In both cases, it's a landscape object with the concept that you "pick it up". It makes sense to talk about the two items on the same page because they are notionally the same object. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Guild:Bloodlust Deleted, no apparent reason

Greetings Gourra. Quick question, why did you delete my guild's entry on The Sha'tar EU?

Refer to WP:GUILD. g0urra[T҂C] 09:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Ban'thok Sash

I changed the effects on  [Ban'thok Sash] in preperation for WOLTK since it is only a month away and I figured it would be a good idea to get ahead of all the changes. Why did you revert it? --Olioster (talk) 10:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Because the patch is not here yet. We're not changing any stats or the like on items until then; icons are fine. g0urra[T҂C] 11:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

About my editings

Thanks you for instructions I will necessarily consider. Also would like to apologise, I not speek on english, therefore to me am very heavy to find the necessary categories. This text is translated by (talk) 12:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Mag'har on the races template

Gourra, you said that what I said is "like saying blood elves and high elves are the same thing".

May I ask how I said this?

BElves have several different unique characteristics from HElves.

An apparent fondness over the color red (BLOOD elves, after all), blonder hair, tan/peacher skin, green hair. Those are all things BElves have that HElves don't.

Mag'har on the other hand really only have one major difference from other orcs. Brown skin. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, ok, now that I think about it, I remembered they build differently. But that hardly counts as a major difference if you ask me.

Honestly, putting Mag'har on there is like putting Azotha on there. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 19:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, High elves also liked the color red, for instance with clothes. To distinguish themselves from the Blood elves though they stopped wearing red because they did not want to be mistaken for Blood elves, who really embraced the color red with a vengeance, by other races. Mag'har are different in that they are fully uncorrupted orcs. The skin color is "brown" due to them not being in much contact with "corruption". So it is not just because they are "brown". It is the fact that they have not undergone any changes to their physiology or looks like the "green" orcs. At least that is the way I understand it all. This is similiar to how a fel orc is not the same thing as an orc like Thrall. As for the Azotha, I don't think I have read anything that would make them a different race from the "modern" humans. The language may have changed a bit so that Azotha writing would look archaic, but I don't think anything physiologicaly has changed to the race as a whole.Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 01:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


You broke Cow (mob) into a separate article from Cow. This from the person who reverted splitting Cat Figurine vendor trash item from Cat Figurine landscape object with the comment "It's the same thing."

It is technically wrong anyway, in the WoW context a cow is a critter, not a mob. Madkaugh (talk) 01:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


just trying to find out why the picture i uploaded was deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxpayne3245 (talk · contr).

was gonna use it for a backgound to our guild site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxpayne3245 (talk · contr).
putting it on Maxpayne3245 (talk) 14:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
basically i cant post any pictures?? is that what your saying Maxpayne3245 (talk) 14:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Horde Icon / Alliance Icon Template

I've found this really useful for the achievement articles. Why did you delete? Now I've got a bunch of broken pages. -Howbizr (talk) 20:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have access to fix this?

See Problem with Bouquet of Red Roses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Howbizr (talk · contr).

I like it

Could you add it to the template, so you could do h=1693 and a=1707 or something like that? I'm still pretty noobish with templates. -Howbizr (talk) 20:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Horde Horde Alliance Alliance
Once I got more proficient at templates, I did this myself, in case you were interested. -Howbizr (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait to edit?

While I appreciate your incredible contribution to WoWWiki, sniping edits to be the first to create a page is a bit disconcerting and wastes people's time. I clearly moved the Riptide (ship) page because I was creating the new Riptide page for the Shaman spell. After working on the page for 15 min to get things right, I saved only to find that you had saved seconds before me. You obviously saw from the recent activity page that I had done that and jumped on the new Riptide page while I was still editing it. The problem with this is that we duplicated the work. I don't know how to remedy this in the future. Maybe I'll just create the stubs and write in the words 'Currently Editing' or something to prevent duplicitive work. Oddible (talk) 23:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

3.x Patches

Since you have a lock on the patch pages, I was shocked that no public information is being added to these. I've had the edit of the upcoming patch numbers, 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 all be removed because "wait until the patch numbers are released." Umm...they already have been. Jeff Kaplan specifically told Curse Gaming in an interview that these 3 patches are in the works, and that 3.1 is actually already done.

3.1 - Will contain the Ulduar instances/raids.

3.2 - Will be a yet announced instance.

3.3 - Opening of Icecrown Citadel and resolution of the Ashbringer story line.

There are also numerous patch notes on 3.0.3 already released, that aren't loaded on that patch's page.

Wiki's are community efforts to get as much information out there, that is accurate and available. Unfortunately with all these pages locked to only you, it is hard to do that.

It wasn't an interview btw, and it wasn't just with Curse :P I was there (and I can confirm these details). Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Achievement Tooltip

Inv ammo arrow 02.png

Inv valentinescard02.png

  • Fool For Love
  • Complete the Love is in the Air achievements listed below.
  • Criteria:
      • Spell brokenheart.png Heartmender
      • Inv ammo arrow 02.png Shafted!
      • Inv valentineperfumebottle.png Flirt with Disaster
      • Inv misc basket 01.png Lonely?
      • Inv misc cauldron fire.png Nearest and Dearest
      • Inv valentinepinkrocket.png The Rockets Pink Glare
      • Inv valentinesboxofchocolates02.png Nation of Adoration
      • Inv misc dust 04.png Fistfull of Love
      • Inv ammo arrow 02.png Perma-Peddle
      • Inv valentineschocolate02.png Sweet Tooth
      • Inv valentinescandy.png Be Mine
      • Inv rosebouquet01.png My Love is Like a Red, Red Rose
      • Inv crate 03.png I Pitied the Fool
  • Rewards:
    • Title Reward: <The Love Fool>

Two questions. What do you think about this concept for an achievement tooltip? I've got an example of a regular achievement, and an achievement made of other achievements. Where is the appropriate place for discussion of this kind of stuff? -Howbizr (talk) 01:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Kel'Thuzad (Tactics)

The information in the 25 and 10-man version sections was added from WoWhead (where you'll find the links on the page) and from WWS reports on the enecounter from beta testers which can be found here . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nitros14 (talk · contr).


I was trying to look for the logos to each continent. Thanks :) Could you place logos in EK and Outland & Northrend when i make the templates? :) This account is ©opyrighted... Who am i kidding?!!! ... Its ®... whatever the ® is :P (talk) 17:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

TCG template

Hello. Perfectly. One remark: - quality can be better to make Value of different colours for example rare - blue, uncommon - green. Also it is necessary to solve with images. We will use the image of the whole card or the cut off part without the description? As for me it is better to use the whole part. Sorry for my English. --QuazaR (talk) 06:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Greetings. I would like to learn. Whether I can already use your template for entering TCG? And whether you will transfer the template from a sandbox to the general category of templates?--QuazaR (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, please inform, when template creation will be finished. In my opinion for the name it will be better "Template:Infobox TCG"--QuazaR (talk) 06:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Full lower case is always preferred. No comment otherwise. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Please do not modify my signature...

I am Biron I am just in the middle of moving my stuff from the WoWWiki-Biron profile over to the Reported one. It will say Reported, in a little bit. <Imagelink>Biron Sig.PNG|User:Reported</imagelink> <TC> 19:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Server: Detheroc

It appears that a number of players have been vandalizing this page by reverting it to a self glorifying older form. Could you help watch it? Rikshaw (talk) 03:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

It appears that only one side of the issue is being looked at. The past history of Detheroc is valid for a wiki page, and editing out this content is disturbing to our community. Could you please watch this page? Shamantrixxx (talk) 13:30, 01 November 2008 (UTC)


sure, will do. Didn't expect that to occur, though I have a sneaking suspicion why. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the guild

Hey, I was just wondering why you deleted the Put Your Name Here page and whether you put that information on another page? DarthBotto talkcont 22:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Rockhide boar pic

Thanks for uploading the new pic. Looks way better than that old one. Bilblak (talk) 06:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Frenzied Command

Would you please comment on the decision to delete and reference an external link instead? I thought articles were preferred to links, but the link was far easier than wrestling with that article and the infobox. Perhaps the article was too stub-like? Thanks. Bilblak (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Another Thing!

New development! The guild known as Put Your Name Here and Nihilum are merging into a new guild! I want to create a WoWWiki page for them, but what I need is a copy of the text from the guild page. It is deleted, so I was wondering if you could copy and paste the page you deleted onto my talk page. I'm a member of Nihilum and would really appreciate this. DarthBotto talkcont 14:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thanks for the welcoming :). Can you fix the image of my gnome on my userpage plez? Zmario (talk) 15:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay thank you. Its been awhile since I have actually formatted the picture's size. Zmario (talk) 15:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup on Server:The Scryers US. Hopefully he won't do that again. :) --Dorvelle (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)