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File name standardization schema


Several months ago, you advised me to be more specific in file names when uploading, yet today, you truncate the filename back down to what I was using before.

Please advise what standardization you want to use on this website, and where to locate such standardization guidelines so that I may use them for future uploads.

Ariule (talk)

I believe that describing the background and the race of the character is a bit too much
Just naming the file like the item (eventually followed numbers if we use multiple screens) seems fair enough.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 21:54, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
When I was doing just the item name a year ago, I was informed that it was not enough, especially when other items of kit were in the image. In addition, several images were deleted due to the thought that I was using an offline image editor. Does WoWWiki have a file name standards page that people can follow? It would be helpful if there was.
Ariule (talk)
Provide the item names and I might remember them. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
I am unconcerned with the past file names, I am wishing to set a standard for moving forward.
Ariule (talk)
As A'noob said, naming the file like the item is enough. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:29, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, cause this has been a while... you were first naming them something like staff and dagger, very generic names like that. Then you were asked to be more precise with the names, which is why you starting naming them very precise names. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 02:02, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your edit summary comment

As you said: A music video about gold farmers doesn't count.

... ... ...

[citation needed] --ENG (talk) 13:43, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't consider that a music video, then I don't know what to say. --g0urra[T҂C] 13:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
I mean about the part that it doesn't count. --ENG (talk) 13:58, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
A music video that jokes about gold farmers doesn't count as research about the subject. If you have a video about someone who has researched about the subject then go ahead, but a music video is not proper. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:02, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Rearranged many parts of the gold farming page, added some links to researcher sources. Still needs work. No comment on applicability of "music video" about gold farmers, though apparently Ge Jin has made documentary video (which I did not link to, but which may be available through the links I did add. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:54, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Dustwallow March

Tell me what you think about it.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Non-Enchanting Enchant Tooltip Syntax

While Enchantments with the type "Enchant", such as Enchant Weapon - Icebreaker, display a proper tooltip when moused over, Enchants of all other professions (properly following nearly the same syntax on the Embroid template) display only "no tooltip" error on mouseover. So, Leatherworking's Fur Lining - Stamina or Blacksmithing's  [Socket Bracer] generate no tooltip, although their template syntax seems to be correct.

Is there a different term or syntax on either the link or item page to make the mouseover tooltips display properly? I can't seem to find a recipe listing page where the Embroid type of tooltip works correctly. Thanks! Joeartguy (talk) 21:00, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's wrong with it. Pcj is the guy'd want to talk with about this. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:06, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
And it's surreptitiously begun working again, apparently, as you can see in this very section... so hurrah and never mind. Joeartguy (talk) 21:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the full list of wanted categories, which probably contains many more errors. --Elassint 19:12, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

hey u there

i need help im on the lich game part and it just looks like a screen saver wat do i do —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).

You are probably on the login screen. Have you typed in your account information to log in to the game? --g0urra[T҂C] 16:08, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
ya its just a blank screen exept for the dragona and like a city i cant do anything —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).
Login screen Wrath of the Lich King.jpg
Does your login screen not look like this? (see the image to the right) --g0urra[T҂C] 16:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
ya its just the picture tho no boxes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).
Click the "Edit" link at this section to reply to this easier. Where did you get the game client? --g0urra[T҂C] 16:23, September 19, 2010 (UTC) --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmuffick (talk · contr).

Stop feeding the troll Görra. --User:ShandrisForever 09:44, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

New wowwiki layout

Has the layout for Wowwiki changed or am I going crazy? --User:ShandrisForever 15:05, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Probably just you ;) They are making some tweaks for the oncoming new version of the Wiki skins though, so things may move around a little. -=- IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil [t/c] 15:16, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
It has changed for those who use Monobook. Apparently all skins default to Monaco right now. Let's hope it's just a hiccup. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:30, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
I hope so, I feel so lost with this skin, can't even find my Watchlist!
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 08:13, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

"The" Deadmines

In light of the request on the to-do page to move all of the pages that were in Category:Deadmines to Category:The Deadmines, do you think the actual pages for Deadmines and Deadmines (Classic) should be moved/renamed to follow this standard?  gilmoreja—You've got to start what you finish—Talk!on!—You've got to start what you finish—Sareine talks.gif—You've got to start what you finish— 16:10, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, articles will not use "The" as first. For example see Barrens and Category:The Barrens quests. --g0urra[T҂C] 16:20, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


I was wondering what javascript you've got running (and where it is located) that allows the Template:USERNAME to work properly? HooperBandP (talk) 18:59, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's in MediaWiki:Common.js: if (wgUserName != null) $("span.insertusername").html(wgUserName); --g0urra[T҂C] 19:16, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Frost Strike

Hi, with 4.0.1 about to go live, Frost Strike will become an innate benefit of choosing the Frost tree. You're a little bit late at adding it to Category:Death knight talents. Removed; please understand. :P Sarvam (talk) 07:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's still talented since you need to choose a talent to get it. Having an ability only in its class' ability category would imply that it's not talented. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:39, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Fishy User

I recently undid a change on the Server: Kil'jaeden US page... Someone uploaded and posted an inappropriate picture there, and I thought you would be best to deal with it... Also, for future reference, what should I do when I notice something like that, other than jumping on the nearest admin's talk page who may or may not be online? Tanooki1432 (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I deleted the offending image. If you see any more vandalism, you could join the #wowpedia IRC channel and alert any admins about it. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Vanguard of Valor

I created the page today, and you changed the title, which is of course fine! But if I now do a search for 'Vanguard of Valor', I get no results, which is kind of counter productive for the page's validity. Is there any sort of solution or will people have to actually search for guild;vanguard of valor? Saranini (talk) 10:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

There's a guild search on the Guild article. The default search does not include the guild namespace. --g0urra[T҂C] 10:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Well that's a shame, it was possible on wowwiki, but I won't pretend to know enough of this sort of thing to claim it should be possible here. Only that it detracts from the usefulness of even having a guild page featured here if looking for it will be so counter intuitive. People generally know what a guild is so I doubt many actually have the reflex of first looking up what a guild is before looking up an actual existing one. Just adding this so maybe in future you guys would consider changing that, but it is what it is and I'll live with it. Saranini (talk) 10:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

If it was possible on the WoWWiki search then this must be a bug. I'll look into it. --g0urra[T҂C] 10:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Not necessarily a bug, not necessarily working by design. I think it's just a config tweak, but I don't really know if we want to make it. --Sky (talk) 12:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Bags and Cataclysm

"In Cataclysm, bags that you loot and are non-BoP will be automatically equipped instead of taking up an bag slot."

I read this on an article (that you modified, to add this) and was wondering if any of the following applied:

1: You meant Non Binding
2: You meant "If you don't have 4 bags already"
3: "If its better than a current one"
4: It is BOP

You must agree, that if something is BOE and you loot it, and equip it, you automatically bind it to your character, making it impossible to give BOE items to alts, and essentially, making BOE into BOP. (Listing a source might be good too, if you don't know the answer yourself) Sraw (talk) 05:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems like I was unclear. It works like this:
  1. If you have a bag slot (not inventory slot) free and loot a non-BoP bag, you will automatically equip it
  2. If it's a BoP bag you'll still get a dialogue but automatically equip it after agreeing to pick it up
  3. If you have no bag slots left, the bag will be in your inventory
  4. You'll still be able to un-equip the non-BoP bag by dragging it from your bag row.
I hope that cleared it up. --g0urra[T҂C] 06:14, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Still confused, because apparently if its BOE, you will bind it to you if you have a free bag slot open. Thanks for the other clarification though Sraw (talk) 06:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, the likely hood that you would encounter a BoE bag before filling up all your bag slots is rather low... they don't start binding until what? 18 slots? a few 16 slotters? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
My friends and I specalize in getting 16 slotters out to all the nooblets, ( [Netherweave Bag]), and if it didn't care if you had all 4 or not, then that would severely gimp all BOE. Since most high level people will have all 4 slots filled, it wont matter for them, but I don't like the idea of a BOE bag becoming bound when you acquire it, without letting you have a chance to sell it or give it to another character. For instance (even though I doubt this would occur for me), if you were a tailor who strenuously leveled up to 350 tailoring, made some Netherweave bags specifically to sell, even though you don't have all 4 bag slots filled... would it force them to be bound to you? Sraw (talk) 07:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Non-BoP does not mean BoE. Non-BoP also includes bags that won't bind to you, such as  [Small Blue Pouch]. Note that it also says loot, not obtain or get, which are two different things. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Non-BoP means specifically that it isn't BoP, but it could be BoE or nonbinding. Automatically equipping nonbinding bags is all well and good, because you can simply unequip it and pass it along. The distinction on loot and obtain though, that changes everything. I guess I didn't know that the particular wording on that was that important, as it appeared to me to be an interpretation rather then a quotation. Thank you for clarification. Sraw (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Character Table Box

Hi - just wanted to say thanks for having the Character Table Box on your page which I shamelessly stole (giving you kudos of course). Let me know if you wanted a bigger credit, though. --Aldor Celuur (Talk page | Contribs) 04:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I'm glad you like it. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


Without span formatting such as template:nowrap there are window sizes where the gold piece symbol is line-wrapped to below the 5000. using the CSS in the template prevents this.

So, instead of sometimes seeing: 5000g you always see: 5000g

I.E., even on a narrow screen, the second 5000g will never wrap in-between the number and the symbol. I would further argue that the cost template should have said css added to it. —MJBurrage(TC) 00:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I resized my browser window to check when this would be the case, and the lowest resolution where it wouldn't break was at about 900 pixels wide. I don't think that many users browse articles with that small resolution. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:22, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I noticed it, since I often use my widescreen monitor with two windows open, each using half the screen. Regardless of the effect on tables, the same thing happens in paragraphs even at much higher widths; without nowrap, the number can be at the end of one line, while the symbol is at the beginning of the next line.
The best solution with respect to the cost template (and related templates) would be to add "white-space:nowrap;" to the css in the template (which I can't do for the cost template)
Regardless there are other times when nowrap can be handy, such as infoboxes or other situations where split-information might be confusing.
MJBurrage(TC) 02:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


Your table format attributed accordingly *grins* (no actual user pages were harmed during this shameless rifling through the code). Sorry for locking you out whilst I looked up profiles and such... Tequima (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

(playable) v. (lore)

Hi there.

Recently I changed the naming convention on the two Worgen articles to make the default one relate to the playable faction, with the other being Worgen (lore). I asked about doing this on IRC (approx. half way down the page), met no objections, at least one person was in favour of it. Personally I'm a big fan of lore - I'm not biased against it - but I do expect more people to be interested in the article on the playable faction than reading up about the lore behind them as a species (or sub-species, whatever).

I wanted to leave it like that for a few days to see if I'd be met strong opposition on-wiki (as previously stated, I met none at all on IRC) and if that wasn't the case I was going to request community input on the same being done universally so that Worgen wouldn't be the exception. Having tried to get input before the move(s) - you may notice I was given assistance by an Administrator, and not the same one who encouraged me on IRC, either - I decided to give it a shot. It lasted all of twenty minutes before I was reverted wholesale by you.

While I've lurked on Wowpedia / WoWWiki for forever and a day, I'm far from actively contributing, so I'd like to know how I could have improved upon this to perhaps be more successful with future endeavors. Two administrators seemed open to my idea, not a single person disagreed with it, and then you reverted. Why? With an Administrator assisting me and so I can only presume thus at least semi-in favour of the idea, there would have been a consensus for the change at that time. I wouldn't be that disappointed, but you were in the channel at the time I asked for feedback, you didn't comment on it, while Mikk did - providing positive feedback. Hell, you were actively talking in the channel!

The way I read it there's two people (myself and Mikk) in favour of the idea, with Foxlit probably supporting it, and while you dislike it enough to revert it (without a talk page message or edit summary that I can locate) you didn't seem to dislike it enough to talk to me on IRC. It's nice to have input on ideas you're considering and not quite as nice to be reverted without a single word of advice on what to do differently. Why you would let me go ahead with it only to revert me, which is more work for you as well as me, I cannot fathom.

For the life of me I can't see what I did wrong. Before I began I got a consensus - a majority in favor if you dislike my idea (you've yet to say so) - and my efforts weren't seen worthy of a single edit summary or a courtesy message on my talk page? I understand there are uninformed edits that need to be corrected but it never hurts to have the courtesy to at least talk to the people who are editing in good faith. That you simply protected the page against future moves by non-Admins in the future - also without a reason attached - rubbed salt in the wound. I won't start an edit war about it but I'm quite tempted to ask for feedback - again - this time on-Wiki and seek to have your revisions undone.

I'll try one last time to get your input on this before considering if I raise another discussion on it or not, though I do wonder if you'll bother to talk to me this time. A F K sig 2.jpg A F K When Needed 21:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to raise a discussion then do it on the forums and raise a vote. We'd rather not try making these decisions on IRC. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Fan Quest

Gourra, may i ask for the reason for this edit? Can i not add the elinks template and set the quest id to 0. I had made it so it would look more like an in-game quest. - Aedror (talk) 16:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Because it would give the appearance that it could be an in-game quest, YMMV. By the way you shouldn't use {{DEFAULTSORT:}}, {{questbox}} automatically does the categorization. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Requiring admin move

Well, just wanted to ask you if you could update  [Mythical Mana Potion] with Mythical Potion for some reason the name wasn't up-to-date so i just recognized it right now that it is named  [Mythical Mana Potion] and not just Mythical Potion, Thanks. Hati~ (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


OK, I'm probably going to look like an idiot for asking this, but is there a list of icons that I can see when creating a new items page so that I can choose the correct one right off the bat? I'm sure there is a much easier way than typing "|icon=INV_Plate_Legs_01" then hitting the "Preview" button, then changing the number and previewing until I finally the correct item icon to use. I've been looking and can't find a help category on this. Thanks! Nathtaleth (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll post it again, Wowpedia:WoW Icons/Icon List/Images. It should be a complete list of icons. - Aedror (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Nathtaleth (talk) 18:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you fix [Pyroblast]?

Someone moved it to [Pyroblast]. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contribs) 5:24 PM PST 9 Dec 2010

Article name

Please could you move To All The Squirrels Who Cared for Me to [To All the Squirrels Who Cared for Me]? 2nd one is how it appears in-game. --Grynd (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Image Deleteion Request

Please delete the image "Devra Marie". I have already uploaded the correctly spelled "Deva Marie" image for this NPC. If there is a "fast delete request" link, I was unable to locate it and would be happy to use such in the future. Ariule (talk)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific

Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey, just wanted to get your opinion on Talk:Archbishop Benedictus about whether or not the "he staged a coup" note from patch 1.4.1 should be considered lore or not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Unique Forsaken Human

I=Do you know who that unique forsaken human name is, she looks like a human with undead features? Hallowseve (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Tol'vir Archaeology Fragment

The image named File:Trade archaeology titan Fragment.png is used for the [Tol'vir Archaeology Fragment], but the image in-game is not that on wowpedia. I do not know how you go about adding/updating icon images, but could you either advise me, or update the icon? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I've updated it now.. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Horde Bias and alliance bias

I know you deleted it and all, but do you have a copy i could have? i found it funny enough, and i need a laugh once in a while...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by no Source???

Seriously Wtf, how does it not have no source, just check the page Ancient, besides we use this template to mark subspecies, i don't get what the problem now...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Everything written about Gallywix was a huge part of the starting zone

Play through it, watch a youtube video, or read about it before you put [citation needed] on every word. And If you still don't believe me somehow, heres some lines from Rosenberg.

"Then Deathwing wakes up and causes chaos. Mount Kajaro, the dormant volcano on Kezan, erupts. Panic ensues. There are those that lose their heads in the chaos – most likely killed by the pirates hired by Gallywix himself to ransack party guests in order to add to his own wealth – and there are the cartel bigwigs such as yourself. You all keep yourself calm, you loot enough money to pay the fee that Gallywix is charging for you to get on the only boat off the erupting island which he obviously owns, and you look like you are going to safely escape."

"You're a big hero...and Gallywix hates it! He was afraid of you claiming his title, which the Cartel was already considering removing from Gallywix, and now you showed him up in front of your new allies. He claims that he will get revenge, and storms off in an escape rocket before the rest of you."

"Of course, Gallywix, who has proven himself to be a tremendous failure as a leader and as backstabber, will be thwarted by you in the later quests that conclude the Lost Isles storyline. He continues his dirty tactics, enslaving survivors of the Bilgewater Cartel and even attempting to kill Thrall. Even during your climactic showdown against Gallywix, he tries to fight you off until it appears he is going to die." Copperblast (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, the citations still have to be provided. It's not enough to state "this is what people say, you're a moron for not knowing it yourself". --g0urra[T҂C] 17:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying "you're a moron" but I think its very silly considering how much we've talked about it, its importance in the goblin starting zone and I just provided some citations. You want more, fine but please play through Kezan and the Lost Isles or watch a playthrough of it. Copperblast (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I've played through it. Still doesn't mean that you don't have to provide citations. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
If you've played through it, you know everything written on the page happened then. But fine here's some quests. Copperblast (talk) 17:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Put the citations in the article then, if you know them so well. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Item rename

Please move Sen'jin Tabard to  [Darkspear Tabard]. The Darkspear Tabard isn't a new item, it was just renamed. --Grynd (talk) 04:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Festive Teal Pant Suit

Noticed you changed a number of items, this one among them. Your change rearranged tooltip lines, and removed a {{mode}} entry, along with vendor and sell lines. I am pretty sure the item is still sold, so I'm wondering which of these changes were intentional and thus why you made the change. Would you enlighten me? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

{{{mode}}} is no longer required in tooltips, and vendor and sell lines does not stay when you update items with the script. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Kinda guessed that would be the case. Whose script is it? (Where is it?) If it is killing vendor/sell because it is completely rewriting the tooltip, SOMEONE must be maintaining it. And I can only imagine that a more elegant script would be possible that merely removes the mode tag without having to rewrite the rest of the tooltip entry. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily RemovedFromBeta

I've been going through a few Mt Hyjal quests, and I've found something curious... On or about November 20, 2010, you went through these quests (presumably with a bot) and at least for the two quests (so far) that I've found, the first reward item was properly categorized, unstubbed; the other items were marked "removedfrombeta". Similarly, a quest item for one of the quests was incorrectly marked "removedfrombeta". Most recent quest: N [81] Get Me Outta Here!

At this point, only you have a hope of knowing the scope of this error, or of finding a way to repair the damage in a mechanical way. I'll continue re-marking things as I go, but that's a ponderous route, and prone to missing things. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I marked them as removed from beta since I didn't get those quests when I was in the area, or some didn't follow the updated chain of quests. Since then I've heard reports that some weren't removed and people are welcome to revert the changes I did. I didn't bot anything, not sure why you think that. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Thought you had because it was unusual for one item of a set of quest rewards to be marked stub (or not stubbed), but for the others marked "removed". It seemed more likely a program sort of error, is all. Er, and not so much the QUESTS 'removed', as rewards. As well, I've run across at least one "bi-faction Hyjal quest" with different reward items per faction. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


You should wait for people to finish what they're doing before starting to revert everything... and read the commentaries before continuing with the removals:

So, please, revert cleanup, replaced: {{Orcs}} → {{Orc clans}} from all those clans with the bot until we reach a decision.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


Hey there, just wanted your opinion on something - the Lor'themar article (specifically, the shadow section) deals with some major character building (and what little character building he gets, in brutal honesty), and for that reason it's a little difficult to cut down on it too harshly - the story itself was a fairly long piece of writing dealing with his actions and thoughts quite intimately. For that reason, I'd love to know if there's any particular areas you feel I should cut out, as the quality itself would suffer with the main points already outlined. Grissom (talk) 14:20, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Quick deletion without discussion

I’m quite disappointed that you chose to almost immediately remove the new category “Pacifist” that I added, without any discussion of it’s value to the community. There is a tiny, but growing, sector of WoW players who are running characters in the pacifist mode and I think providing information relevant to that play style would fit in well on Wowpedia.

While the two pages I’ve created so far would fit in a guides category as you suggested, the function I intended when creating the new category (as I discussed on the talk page of the now deleted category) included much more than that — especially the adding of quests suitable for pacifists to the category (which would not be appropriate in a guides category).

Please consider reinstating the category or explaining why I’m wrong.

Thanks. —Nagrand (talk) 09:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Right now I see two blogs, and one forum thread about a player who decides to be a pacifist, which makes it hardly notable. The quests, abilities etc. that you consider "pacifistic" could be added to your pacifist guides. Didn't mean to step on any toes, but consider it. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Problem with AutoWikiBrowser

Hi Gourra! I'm an administrator of Grand Theft Encyclopedia, a Wikia wiki dedicated to Grand Theft Auto saga. I'm writing this message because I have a problem with AWB, and reporting this in the Wikipedia discussion I notice that you had the same problem (here your report) in the past. By this reason I'm talking with you. Do you finally find any solution to this f**** bug? --Myself (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Why don't reply me with my problem? --Myself (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it started working suddenly. Either it was the version of AWB (make sure you have the latest version), or it was the URL. Double-check both. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Dragoflight footer template

I turned the various dragonflight templates into one dragonflight footer but it seems it has broke significant number of articles, do you have a bot that could correct them or at least tell me which articles are broken?--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

You have to use {{Dragonflightfooter}} first, for example {{Dragonflightfooter|Red Dragonflight}}. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:52, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
No, you misunderstand i already know how to solve the broken articles. i just want to know if you have some sort of bot, that fixes it or tells me which are broken so i can do it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Red Dragonflight. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks i finished all the broken articles that had the old dragonkin or dragonflight templates.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Battle Standards

you keep reveting my edits which is ok if you have another way to fix this page Sexybobo (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Place new comments questions at the bottom of talk pages. And I fixed it for you Sexybobo.Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I did say why I made the change though so to revert them with out trying to fix the other problem. Sexybobo (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
You made no mention at all of the article. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC) Sexybobo (talk) 22:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Crusading to the conflict

Please check Template talk:Wars and help to divulge my proposal.

Is that supposed to encourage editors?

I don't consider it particularly appropriate for you to swoop in out of the blue and not only revert my user-talk page, but to lock it for a month so that I cannot clean it up, clarify the text, or even respond! Nor am I aware of what sacred rule I've apparently broken, even after reading the "user talk guidelines page", to deserve being barred from editing my own page. You've taught me a very memorable lesson, but it probably wasn't the lesson that you thought you were teaching. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farmbuyer (talk · contr).

Creating patch 4.1.0A

Sorry, I am messing things up because there is a new patch between 4.1.0 and 4.2.0. See My apologies. Hans Kamp (talk) 18:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Horde article

I am informing all recent contributors of the Horde article that it has been locked for cleanup. We welcome any and all discussion on the Horde talk page once cleanup has begun. This is to insure everyone who has been editing the article will be happy with it, or at least meet a compromise on certain subjects, so the edit warring can be put to an end. Thank you, Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Summoned Old God

Why is the Summoned Old God being on {{Old Gods}} "Speculative"?[1]--SWM2448 05:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you tell me why?

Is there a reason you've deleted my hard work that I've posted about our guild and guild rules on ? IconSmall Unholy Rune.png  Savaena (T C) 11:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The removed information was deleted per the guild pages policy, including the reason that Wowpedia pages are not intended to be a replacement for guild sites. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah, gotcha, thanks for letting me know. I'm checking out the guild page info now to make sure I know what can be up there. =) IconSmall Unholy Rune.png  Savaena (T C) 06:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Warcraft III

I didnt understand u. Why? {{WoW}} has no category Category:World of Warcraft. So {{Warcraft III}} must not have Category:Warcraft III. Say me a reason u did this undo. --Askarmuk (talk) 14:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Plz dont ignore me. I dont like when people starting ignoring when talking about simple things. --Askarmuk (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

g0urra is in Sweden - a different timezone from you. Give him ample time to respond. ~EiorwrynIconSmall RavenGod.gif 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Gem changes in Cata

I notice you were responsible for moving or redirecting (= deleting) gems that were changed, renamed or removed because of stat changes in Cataclysm. I was wondering if you were working from a master list you could share with me. I still need to update the various jewelcrafting designs pages to match and I've been unable to find any definitive list of name / colour changes, or when two gems now share the same stats which one was kept. I could slowly work it all out, but had a full list it'd certainly be faster! Thanks for your help :) --W.woods (talk) 02:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Compare categories such as Category:Green socketable gems with Wowhead. Rinse and repeat with other colors. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


Passing on the Admin list, I found User:Telshin: a zero contribution admin!

Who or what is it? IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 12:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. He seems to be related to Curse: --g0urra[T҂C] 13:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Would like to interview you

Hi Gourra,

I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available for an interview at some point this summer?

I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it linked to from my user page (happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.

Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email <tinyurl [dot] com/5ug7gqq>. Dakhma (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Editcount Special Page vs. Editcount Template

Have noticed a discrepancy in count when examining the Editcount speical page for a user compared the editcount template. As of this entry, your count is off by more than 3k.
This is of course a completely trivial item on the task list of things to investigate, but wanted to make you aware of it. Ariule (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm well aware of that it differs a lot. Probably has to do with that I did edits on Wowpedia before the final data merge was done. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
That would also explain why my and Howbizr's numbers are off as we were all on-board back on the other site as well. Ariule (talk) 23:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Dragonspawn RPG

I saw that before the only reason i didn't add the rpg info is because they are actually in wow(dragonspawn with the same name in wow) so it's not exclusive to the RPG, and those 3 articles need to be slightly redone.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

But only Scalebane and wyrmkin, the only mention i can found in wow for flametongue is Baleflame --Ashbear160 (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Scalebane may be in WoW, but there's not WoW info on the article. The RPG description of wyrmkin differs a lot from how they are in WoW. --g0urra[T҂C] 13:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I can add wow info in those articles but it will pretty insignificant
"Wyrmkin are a type of dragonspawn, with breasts and slender figure and shorter snouts, with a proficiency for Spellcasting"
"Scalebanes are a type of dragonspawn, with a more figure robust and longer snouts, usually armoured for close combat"
This of course is all observations from wow, we can't just make the whole article non-cannon when they exist in wow, of course this will probably dwindle to Wyrmkin=Female Dragonspawn scalebane=Male Dragonspawn--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I'd prefer that you provide citations instead of observation. --g0urra[T҂C] 14:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I literally just looked at the models, and saw their skills (and skins...), however this discussion should be continued on RPG forum thread i posted a section there for these mostly rpg but still in wow articles--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired (2)

Your opinion is desired on this topic.

Thank you.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I've also gotta ask Gourra, how is it the older version better than the current version? just saying it's better without pointing out any reasons for being better it's a bad argument.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Shorter names that is more to the point. Organization sections that makes more sense to the average reader (storm giant under giant). --g0urra[T҂C] 15:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
And what of the points i made? are you just going to ignore them in favour of a broken system?
And the fact that storm giants are a organization inside the "titan" organization(or team titan like someone else said) is that going to be ignored to?
I'll also cite Lon-ami because what he said before illustrates why the previous version didn't work
I think Organization/sandbox is better than the current version. Current version is simply wrong, because we repeat headers (races) and we can't classify multiracial organizations properly. A hierarchy is the way to go, imo.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
At least before being set to vote the older version should be put under a sandbox and corrected.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
1. The vote is in progress. Nothing has been clearly decided yet. 2. Put your opinions about my view on the talk page and not here. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll probably lose because people hate me, and i putted it here because i wanted to see your problems specificly.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Alliance and horde organizations

If goblins had their own Goblin organizations article why can't the alliance and horde have their own considering it's bigger?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

You basically just made a link to another article and removed the whole article. It would be better to use a {{main}} link to the Alliance organizations, while keeping the "main" organizations under the Alliance one - replacing a section with just a link that says "Hey, if you want to see any Alliance organizations, follow this link" is not the right approach. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Ok then what of my suggestion to keep the member states in the main article and the smaller sections of those member states in the alliance organizations? i'll do a small edit just to show how it would look.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Like i've just done, if you like it tell me and i'll make the other 2 articles, if you've got problems revert it to the previous version and tell me what's wrong.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll make the two articles ina hour if you don't answer just so it doesn't have red links--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Well i changed it according to your suggestion, i hope you're okay with this version.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Do you think i should do the same for other "big" faction organizations?(Scourge, Burning Legion, Illidari and Old Gods' forces which are big enough)--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Dragonkin review

Thanks for helping with the picture thing in the black whelp page, but please leave the type sections there they are to be filled out slowly(mostly because wowhead removed the tool that would make this much easier)--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Elemental ascendant

The reason types where there and the section is named notable is because, it's made to simulate this page so all creature articles share the same standards.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

What standard? Did you come up with it? You're confusing "Notable" with "Named" - how are all of those notable? --g0urra[T҂C] 18:35, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
The same in the Fire hawk that i have been applying to all pages like it due to how good it is, and i think coobra came up with it, they are notable because they stand out from others by being a character rather than a mook--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:46, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I see notable and named often the same... unless there's several named ones, then notable is something for named ones that are more important (notable) than the others. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't think there's any need for named in a section, because notable already covers it, is that also what you mean coobra?--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I want to know where these all-encompassing standards came from.-SWM2448 19:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Copying the fire hawk article design after the article was fully done, it's simply the best design i see in the wiki, so i'm applying it to most outdated articles, if you come up with a better design tell me.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

"Paladins as Tanks" article

Hi, I noticed your numerous changes to the above article, and while I appreciate them, I had flagged in my user page that a rewrite of this article was a project I was working on. I'm not complaining that the article has been made more correct, it just feels like my toes have been stepped on a little. :-/ Calm Mind (talk) 08:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, that was not my intention. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
No worries mate, not sure if I did the right thing in flagging it as a project on my user page anyway to be honest, I'm fairly new to editing around here and not completely au fait with how it all works! Have people already pre-picked projects that they are working on, or is it just a case of noticing that something needs a rewrite, flagging it up and getting on with it? Calm Mind (talk) 11:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Not really, there aren't any such projects at the moment (as far as I know). My own projects are things that I've been working on, and quite frankly not what people are comfortable to edit. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Mists of Pandaria

In theory, anyone could do a search of the United States trademark registry and see that the trademark has been filed. Not that I'm endorsing mass speculation on the issue, I'm just pointing out that the information is freely available without datamining. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

It's speculation and nobody knows what it means. It doesn't belong here - yet. --g0urra[T҂C] 01:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Any speculation as to the meaning absolutely doesn't belong, no. But I don't see anything wrong with a simple note on the Pandaria page that states only that the trademark has been filed. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Addendum: And then make Mists of Pandaria a redirect to said note, and protect the page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Command Structures

I am not angered or anything but im just curious why you deleted the Article. IconSmall Goblin Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs)IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif 18:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

It's in the delete description. There's no need to have the command structures on a separate page. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I question the need to have them at all. They're full of speculation on who is in charge of whom and serve mostly as just pointless lists of every single member of that faction ever. I'd say they were fulfilling a certain user's obsessive-compulsive need for organization, but they've been around for much longer than that. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree with him. IconSmall Goblin Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs)IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif 18:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
That looks much better, thanks. IconSmall Goblin Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs)IconSmall GoblinDeathKnight Male.gif 21:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I stand by my previous statement. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Wyvern Rider (Warcraft III)/Wind Rider (Warcraft III)

Just wondering why you made the Wyvern Rider (Warcraft III) page when the unit is called Wind Rider in Warcraft III, and on the official website. Yeah, yonks ago, but I'm curious if I've missed something.--Weasel (talk) 03:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I can't speak for g0urra, but the manual booklet calls it a Wyvern Rider...--SWM2448 03:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Would that really take -preference- over Wind Rider though?--Weasel (talk) 03:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I made the unit page based on what the navigation box said - or so I think it was. If it's Wind Rider in-game then it should be moved to Wind Rider (Warcraft III). --g0urra[T҂C] 06:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Obsolete sets

Heya! Notice you've been "removed from game"-ing obsolete sets and set items as appropriate.

Thought I would point you to here. Why? Because I notice you have not been removing the /includeonly categories from the set pages (eg: The Elements). If the #data:itemtip format suddenly makes those start working again, the items you removed from categories will suddenly find themselves in categories again.

If that is as you intended, then no worries. If not, you should be aware of it as you continue working on sets, and probably remove those references as well. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


The full list of articles should be on the main page now. Thanks for helping out with article creation. I've been stripping the links out because they can just be accessed via said main page, but if you wanna put 'em back in, go for it. I'm passing out now. Thanks again. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal Character Templates

Hey, just asking why is both those books all together rather than separate then like a list from left-right like the other books? People have been playing around with the template. I've been trying to get that situated, but I have not a clue to how to get it just right. Thanks. -- Darksora110 (talk)


is he a new kind of bot that vandalises wiki articles with adds?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not exactly a new phenomenon. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:30, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Well it's the first time i see it then...--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


How is it redundant to put "levels" as plural? You're talking about a range of levels (i.e., 20-60), not a single character level (i.e., 85). Tycerius (talk) 12:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

You say "level one to sixty", not "levels one to sixty". You could also say it as "level one to level sixty". If it was "1-60 levels" then yes it would make sense, but it doesn't in this case. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
"Level one to sixty" or "Levels one to sixty" could be used interchangeably depending on how the person says it. It could also be phrased "levels 1 and 60" or "from levels 1 to 60." But I will leave it be for the time being. Thanks. Tycerius (talk) 12:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Please see this article. Unless the word "of" precedes the range of values, the standard is to write it as plural (no matter how you might say it otherwise). Therefore, it should be changed back. Tycerius (talk) 10:58, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
So, can I proceed to switch "Level" back to "Levels" in the article? Also, why did you choose to remove the inline citations for the BC and Cataclysm Patches at the end? Tycerius (talk) 02:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Sure, bring back to "Levels". The inlines weren't necessary as they are, in fact, the Burning Crusade patches. The 4.2 note should be removed, though - the note can be put at the top. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggested Changes for Main Page

Hey, one more thing... I was working on rehauling Wowpedia's Main Page and I posted some suggested changes to the Main Talk Page, but I'm not sure if anyone has actually noticed it between then and now. So, I figured I would post it here as well and ask if you had any input on it. Thanks. Tycerius (talk) 13:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Grand Necrolord

Perhaps I came to the wrong place, but I was going to ask you to remove this article Grand Necrolord. This title has no citations and its only held by one induvidual. IconSmall ForestTroll Male.gifIconSmall IceTroll Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs)IconSmall SandTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Male.gif 16:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you IconSmall ForestTroll Male.gifIconSmall IceTroll Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs)IconSmall SandTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Male.gif 19:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Slantyface Template

Any reason for =\ over ;\? Because if you can't have colon, at least equals is not unintentionally winking?

Also, is there a policy about references looking like this [1] versus this[1]? (space vs no space)

Pelf (talk) 04:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The = in =\ is for the eyes. ;\ doesn't look like the emoticon. This[1] is preferred as it doesn't create any unnecessary spaces. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Makes sense. Maybe we should replace the ;) template as I don't think it's a winky smiley, it's just not using colon. Pelf (talk) 19:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
It's a semicolon. Look again. --g0urra[T҂C] 19:33, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


With the recent... issue on the Scourge page, I think it may be smart to do the same that was done with the Alliance and Horde pages. Some people can be stubborn about how their edits are done. IconSmall ForestTroll Male.gifIconSmall IceTroll Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs)IconSmall SandTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Male.gif 20:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Wild creatures and Gilneas

Three related questions; firstly, what is supposed to go under a "Wild creatures" heading? I've seen people put demons, undead and playable races under it, ultimately including all the zone's npcs. Abominations and banshees are definetely not wild - infact they're Horde-alligned npcs in Gilneas. While I disagree with including those, putting critters there (perhaps in its own subcategory) seems like relevant WoW info about the zone and its culture.

Secondly, should creature types that appear in the seperate Ruins of Gilneas or Gilneas City zones be included under Gilneas for lore reasons, the same as lore species would be? It could be indicated whether they appear in the particular instance or not. It's rather a mucky situation with the page refering to the kingdom and the one zone.

Finally, is "Wild creatures" some sort of template I just need to use, or can I rename and expand it to be "Inhabitants" like I did in my edit. I've seen the form vary across the wiki, and I think "Inhabitants", possibly with subheadings for 'monsters' and/or 'wild creatures' would be the most accurate. Thanks for your input --Weasel (talk) 10:40, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing me attention to the article. I have removed the "wild creatures" in question.
As the Ruins of Gilneas and Gilneas City are part of the whole Gilneas zone, putting them there is a good idea.
Inhabitants might be an accurate description, but the ones that aren't wild creatures are already in the zone infobox. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Derp, meant to write this for Coobra and not you (got you confused), but thanks for clearing it up anyway :P--Weasel (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Black Morass

Before you get too far into this project, according to my achievements the name is "Opening of the Dark Portal," not "Opening the Dark Portal." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not touching that. I'm only correcting the category "Black Morass" to "The Black Morass" since that's the zone name. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Gourrabot on Wwclub

It seems gourrabot has broken the template on user page when it replaced Wwclub for Wpclub

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 11:31, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, only on my page
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 11:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it was a regex hickup. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


Why did you removed them in the Unique list? IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 15:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The information is not relevant to the list. --g0urra[T҂C] 15:56, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Someone for you

A wikipedia-sysop: User talk:A'noob#Roleplaying Outfit and Roleplaying Gear IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 12:27, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Forum:Proposed changes for Wowpedia's main page

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 13:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, for the deletion vote in progress at Category talk:Bind on Equip socketable gems -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Glyph of Armors

Is there any reason for your edit to  [Glyph of Armors] two minutes after I edited it? In particular, why you removed the stack limit? Tycerius (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Tooltip update script. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:05, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Care to elaborate on that, please? Tycerius (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Worgen Mindless state

I explained in the talk page for the Mindless state why I used the name for the Worgen version. It seems that it would fit under that name, at least until/if blizzard ever names it. It's pretty significant to the Worgen story, so if you feel the name isn't accurate/the two should be split I'd like to hear your opinion on it.--Whitedragon254 (talk) 00:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Desired opinion recruitment

Can you say\do something to help my project User:Gabrirt/Illidan's forces campaign to the Frozen Throne#Turn_Official? Thanks for any contribution!Gabrirt (talk) 18:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Can you say how could I create a Portuguese version of wowpedia? Please see Portal_talk:Community#Wowpedia in PTGabrirt (talk) 21:07, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Thought on Race templates

The shape of Template:Humans and Template:Orcs are making troubles.

Please voice your opinion here.


IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 08:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Removed from game in patch 5.0.1

In browsing my watchlist, I found that KazeKitsune has been adding the RFG tag to pages in advance of their removal in MoP (examples: [Nature's Grace], [Sunfire], [Moonglow], [Earth and Moon], [Dreamstate]). While in theory this is accurate, in practice it means those pages now have large 'X' banners at the top. Since at least 500 talents and abilities are going to be removed, and MoP is probably still several months away, I'd really hate to see big RFG banners on the top of every one of those pages until then. As users such as Kaze have already added "Removed" notes in the patch changes section, this seems sufficient for anyone who's interested, without cluttering and obstructing these pages for the next few months. -- Taohinton (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to remove the article management tag, and notify KazeKistune about it when you do. --g0urra[T҂C] 17:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


Before I begin my argument against this person, I'd like to know if you have the time to deal with what I have to say. I understand otherwise. Inv helmet 44.pngIconSmall Vincent.gif The Artist Formerly Known As, MoneygruberTheGoblinMind your manners (talk contribs) 22:01, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I've read your argument and have nothing else to say than that he's right and you're being nonconstructive. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Second Wind

After accidentally linking to [Second Wind] when I actually wanted Second Wind (warrior talent) for perhaps the 50th time, I wondered if you'd consider making the latter instead the default 'Second Wind' (currently it is 'Second Wind (warrior talent)' while the former is 'Second Wind'). The former is a lvl 51 trinket, while the latter is the Arms warrior talent, which will be sticking around for MoP. The talent seems a lot more pertinent and more likely to be the page ppl are searching for. -- Taohinton (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the talent should take priority. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
If you're going to make the move, you should change the links as well. --g0urra[T҂C] 06:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

NPC article titles : RECALL


Your opinion is required here, on a policy concerning NPC article titles.

Thanks you.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 18:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


RFA is ongoing for Dark T Zeratul.

Please voice your opinion

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Mob sections & stubs

As you have noticed, I created the pages for Clawlord Kril'mandar and his associated "minions" (such as Akkalar) several days ago. My question is in regards to your removal of entire sections.

Normally, I would not consider leaving in the "Attacks and abilities", "Strategies", & "Quotes" from the boilerplate, but... these are named mobs. Not that all are noteworthy, but I checked them on their WOWDB pages and it seems to me that their abilities are atypical enough to be included in their respective wowpedia pages. I also left in the strategies section because while they can be soloed, it depends on the player's skill (and possibly even class) - which is why the tooltip for  [Clamshell Band] recommends bringing friends.

You may be right on the quotes section, however. It may only be Clawlord Kril'mandar that has any dialogue (if he even does), but I have not been able to independently confirm this. I decided it'd be better to leave the quotes section in because I felt they could just be removed later once enough people have been able to run around Pandaria. --Alayea (talk / contrib) 01:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

If you feel that you're able to fill out those articles with that information, feel free to add back those sections. You can find them in the page history. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
I'll do what I can, but for the mob spells I've yet to figure out how to input the data from WOWDB to here. Anyway, thanks. Alayea (talk / contrib) 03:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Macro conditionals

Talk:Making_a_macro#Splitting_off_Conditionals_section.3F Karl w w (talk) 07:34, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Could you help fix the icoon of Paralysis?

Now its image is Ability rogue sanguinaryvein.png. I don't find the correct image on site and not very sure if I can upload it, so I believe you could upload one? thank you very much.--Fireattack (talk) 11:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I just found the right picture on site and replaced it already.--Fireattack (talk) 11:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Potions that doesn't appear in World of Warcraft

OK - I'm curious. In Feb 2011 I fixed the above section-title on Potion to "Potions that don't appear in World of Warcraft." You reverted my edit with the note "It's correct." Since I assume you realise that the above is grammatically incorrect, I'm curious as to what you were referring to. Is there some in-joke or phrase involved? -- Taohinton (talk) 06:47, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

No, there's no "in-joke" or "phrase" here. Concerning the grammar, English is not my first language so I can make mistakes like these. I'm sure you can understand human error. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with the class infobox?

Why did you remove the Template:Infobox class on the class articles? I don't see how this is better, please explain :) Googen (talk) 09:16, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Marked for capitalisation

We already have Glyph of Marked for Death on here, as  [Glyph of Marked For Death] (the difference being the latter's page has a capitalised F). They seem to have failed to capitalise the F in the 5.2 preview, and some other places, but the in-game item is definitely the capitalised version. -- Taohinton (talk) 15:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

In-game it seems to be rather inconsistent (in the glyph pane it's Marked For Death, but its tooltip is Marked for Death). I've made it a redirect for now. --g0urra[T҂C] 16:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

why u undo my additions

The [Valor Points] page was missing the 5.1 gear. I was a frequenter of that page to find out what gear I could get from what factions, to figure out what my plan for buying gear would be. With the addition of new valor gear in 5.1, I had to check the Operation: Shieldwall page separately to make sure I didn't buy old 5.0 gear that had been made obsolete by new gear. I put in a lot of effort to update the page to show the new gear, and you undid it. Why is the Valor Points page better by not having all current Valor Point gear? Alchav (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Valorous Quartermaster items/MoP was designed to show items sold by certain NPCs, in this case Commander Oxheart, as she does not sell the new 5.1 items, it would be incorrect to place those new items here. Now that doesn't mean they can't be placed on the [Valor Points] article. But in order to do that, a new template would have to be created and all those items moved onto it from both factions. Or, we could just point to the articles. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Player-Created character sheets

I have recently been adding to my character sheet and noted that I dont know how to make the colors look so good for the Monk class. As I initially got the idea from you, I checked your user page to see if you had nicely colored monk, but alas you do not. Also, I was wondering if you knew where I could get a user template achievement thingy for having gotten the insane in the membrane. Thanks in advance. Sraw (talk) 08:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I have added a monk character with the colors.
I added the insane title; use {{User title|<Insane>}}. --g0urra[T҂C] 10:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I changed the order of secondary skills listed in mine to reflect how it appears in game (with riding as last), its not exactly intuitive otherwise. Sraw (talk) 03:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


Archangel (Mists of Pandaria) and Metamorphosis (Mists of Pandaria) were both created (along with many others) during the MoP Beta. While they were useful at the time, they no longer serve any purpose. The main ability pages [Archangel] and [Metamorphosis] are now fully up to date, but these two pages didn't get deleted with all the rest. -- Taohinton (talk) 18:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Done --g0urra[T҂C] 18:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Item hover-up infobox with different name

I have been trying to figure out how to link an item in such a way that I can name the item whatever I want, while having the link and infobox go to the Correct Page. Specifically to drop un-needed information such as "Gladiators" to make it fit more compactly. Could you assist me? Sraw (talk) 00:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean? You have to give me an example. --g0urra[T҂C] 08:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Lets say I want to link  [Dreadful Gladiator's Chain Gauntlets] but instead I want it written as Gauntlets, and have the hover-over infobox for the full item, how would I do that? Sraw (talk) 23:39, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 [Claws of Shek'zeer] (LFR · H) is similar to how I want it, but I want complete control over what it is named. Plus I want the code for it to be for each item, not for three. Sraw (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
[[item page|<span class="itemlink ajaxttlink">item link</span>]] - Example: Gauntlets --g0urra[T҂C] 09:50, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Your opinion is desired on Fan made videos.


IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Trading Card Game page removal

Any particular reason you're removing the pages for the characters in the Trading Card Game?--Ijffdrie (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

They are characters solely from TCG cards, so they belong there. --g0urra[T҂C] 00:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Two points. One, I disagree. TCG cards are sources, not the characters themselves. If only one page was allowed to remain, it should be the page with the character name. Two, even if I agreed, why not just turn the page into a redirect so that categories still work? --Ijffdrie (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
One, TCG cards only serves as 'sources' for interesting quotes that can be applied to articles with items, abilities, quests etc. Two, categories for TCG characters are not applicable, since they are not lore characters nor notable. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Last time I checked, TCG characters were lore characters. And we're not exactly filtering other characters on notability here, so I don't see any reason to start doing so pointlessly on the TCG. Character pages like Ladyfire and Glink come to mind here. Hell, the last one isn't even canon.--Ijffdrie (talk) 12:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Minor characters still stays, that's not up for debate here but maybe in a forum post. RPG characters were canon at one point, TCG characters have never been.
If this is going to be an argument about what kind of characters should be in the main namespace, it belongs in a forum thread. --g0urra[T҂C] 19:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I think that's the point where our disagreement stems from. What's your source for TCG characters being non-canon?--Ijffdrie (talk) 19:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion moved to Forum:TCG Character Pages

Loot table layout

Have there been enough votes for Forum:Loot table layout? It's been long enough that I don't think there is going to be any further feedback on it. -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 00:06, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there has. I just haven't come around to close it. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Copying from wowwiki

If that article you deleted was because I copied it from wowwiki.. wouldn't, Corgis Unleashed and all the images like, File:Thrall history.jpg have to be deleted? Sense I have gotten those from wowwiki — Surafbrov T / P / C 19:54, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Frowned upon does not mean not allowed. Those are OK (though fan art is questionable) but copying their April Fools it not appropriate. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:00, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I probably mistaken it. Nor the can't get a single page. From T / P / C 20:14, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hm, it was under my impression that WoWWiki made it themselves. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Well if you go to the references on wowwiki, you can see the links there. But they list right before the links as Preview page was removed by Blizzard. Bad link. But its okay. ;P I still should've made a new section (Notes), and add the {{WoWWiki credit}} there. Just like Corgis Unleashed. — Surafbrov T / P / C 20:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
"This is a fan-made April Fools article." None of those links were ever valid. — foxlit (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
There's absolutely no need to copy these types of fan-"articles" and fanart from Wowwiki. Corgis Unleashed is an article built around a single "joke," which isn't particularly relevant, and the writing style is atrocious. The History images are collages of sometimes-related (and sometimes not!) models over some background. Neither can really be called quality content. — foxlit (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Like I have stated before, I probably mistaken it. Which I did. — Surafbrov T / P / C 22:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Question regarding Interwiki

Greetings Gourra. I am Veryblackraven, a sysop from The Vault, a fellow Gamepedia's Fallout wiki ( I've recently added an interwiki link to our article about Dave Maldonado as he has contributed to both Fallout and Warcraft series. Naturally, I wanted to add a similar link from Wowpedia to The Vault. Unfortunately the local Special:Interwiki page doesn't seem to have our wiki listed. And when I try to add an ordinary link, my edit is being blocked as potentially harmful. The best solution, as I see it, would be adding our wiki to Interwiki settings. Could you please help me with this issue? Thank you. Veryblackraven (talk) 16:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Same with Gary Platner. Veryblackraven (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I have now added the "fallout" interwiki prefix (such as fallout:Dave Maldonado). --g0urra[T҂C] 17:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Veryblackraven (talk) 09:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


I have recently noticed that my collapsable deviders are no longer functioning. Example:

Any help would be appreciated as to what flaws I am doing, or if the pedia's technology has changed. Sraw531 (talk) 08:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Kaydeethree and Foxlit has been changing the site's style lately, check with them. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:09, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Shadowmoon Burial Grounds

Hey, just a heads up that I reverted your edit on Shadowmoon Burial Grounds, because I thought it didn't coincide with the other dungeon pages. Feel free to un-revert (if that's a word) your edit if you feel that it was wrong for me to revert it. Kookamooka (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

The empty content sections were removed since they are a violation against the stub policy. If there are actually any information about them you should add it, otherwise it just clutters the article. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:48, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Need quest page moved back

I discovered the other night that there were separate faction quest IDs for N [85R] Heart of Flame. I thought I would create separate faction quest pages and use the main page for faction disambig but, since everything is literally the same except for the quest IDs, perhaps it would have been better simply to create a mini-box at the bottom for the different faction IDs.

I can't move Quest:Heart of Flame (Horde) back to the original name space myself, so it'd be much appreciated if you could fix my mistake when you have a chance. =) -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 23:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. --g0urra[T҂C] 05:51, 30 June 2014 (UTC)