Text Colour

Hello, i'm Luke, from Lady Gaga Wiki, and i'm wondering, how does Wowwiki get the white title and white text on every article? Please Respond back on my user page. Luke F (talk) 19:35, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

new external links captcha

Is there any way you could turn it off for me? Sometimes it pops up even though my bot is not even adding links. Example: Original:

 |name = Amani'Shi Protector <!-- Name of mob -->
 |image = Amani'shi_Protector.jpg <!-- put the picture file path here -->
 |race = Troll <!-- Race, such as "Blood Elf" or "Trogg -->
 |type = Humanoid <!-- Type, such as humanoid or beast. -->
 |elite = Elite <!-- write "Elite" here only if it is an elite mob -->
 |attitude = Hostile <!-- Default attitude towards players: Neutral, Hostile, Friendly -->



 | name = Amani'Shi Protector 
 | image = Amani'shi_Protector.jpg 
 | race = Troll 
 | creature = Humanoid 
 | aggro = {{aggro|-1|-1}}


-- arcanedeath 13:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Now you're marked as bot, shouldn't be a problem :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Note to self

When back I'll clean up links and old pages for main pages. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki link templates

See Interwiki link templates section on Fandyllic's talk page for the beginning of this thread.

The effect of the code tweak is that interwiki links get different classes based on where they go. The CSS to create them would be ours, so that's what I meant by the huge range. The range is as big as the number of interwiki locations we have. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I see, we could add favicon.ico's or the equivalent for every likely interwiki link we might use, but {{elink}} would probably still get used for non-interwiki sites. {{wikialink}} and {{wplink}} could go away. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:38 PM PST 6 May 2008
Indeed, pretty much it. Kirkburn  talk  contr 01:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The interwiki stuff is now live. I've got test code on User:Kirkburn/Dev7 and User:Kirkburn/monaco.css. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Was it something I said

So... friendly admin - when I log in to wowwiki, and go to the front page ( I am redirected to

This bage is totally blank. Nothing on it.

When I look at the source it is:


If I don't log in, the front page looks normal.

I wonder if it's something I said....

--Crash (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

That certainly shouldn't happen o_O ... Are you able to visit ? Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, using your link above I see the front page (black background, white text, blue links) removing the "?useskin=wowwiki" gives me a blank page (in Explorer and Firfox) --Crash (talk) 23:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Try going to and change your skin settings. It sounds like it's trying to load a bad skin (why only on the main page I don't know). Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

You have new messages on HammerWiki

No I dont? It keeps saying this though, while my talk and userpage are completely empty! Mind to help out? :) It appeared after I read that global message thing.--Pimmeh (talk) 17:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Will report it. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Is now everything ok? --Marooned 17:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Sadly, no... It still says that same sentance... :S You have new messages on HammerWiki You have new messages on HammerWiki You have new messages on HammerWiki You have new messages on HammerWiki You have new messages on HammerWiki

AAAARGH! Hehe --Pimmeh (talk) 18:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism (2)

I was trying to search for Kara in the search box. Well... I got a REALLY nasty page back with some serious expletives and graphics. I didn't see any way of editing out or removing it. So, I'm posting here in hopes that you can role back the page or delete it.


-- Noran the Axe (talk) 15:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It should have been reverted, odd. I have edited the page which should ensure it does not show. Kirkburn  talk  contr 15:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Old Gods

Hey, I wanted to add that it is hinted (though not explicitly stated) in the War of the Ancients Trilogy that the Old Gods are stronger individually than the Titans are, but I wasn't sure if that belonged on the Old Gods' page or heir speculation page, what do you think? Lckyluke372 (talk) 19:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Citation, citation, citation!--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Check out the Sundering page 252, third sentence, "It had taken the combined might of many Titans to even force them into captivity; after their triumphant return, there would be little effort needed to eradicate this single, arrogant creature and turn his warriors to their cause." I realize its not explicitly said, but to me at least, it seems pretty clear that's what their saying, what do you think? Lckyluke372 (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this the correct place for this discussion?--SWM2448 00:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this discussion is which article should it put it under, i just gave y sources and actually only want to know which article it belongs in. Lckyluke372 (talk) 00:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

A note in the main article saying that the Three Old Gods collectively considered themselves a match for any single Titan. I don't think the statement is conclusive, given that I've never seen any other source state that any Titans other than the Pantheon were involved, and at the time they were only four. This would mean that the collective power of Aman'thul, Eonar, Norgannon and Khaz'Goroth was great enough to kill one of them and imprison the other four, a power estimate that would still make the Three collectively stronger than Sargeras. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It would help if we knew how many Old Gods their were wouldn't it? Oh well, I suppose we don't really know one way or the other do we? I'll leave it alone then. Lckyluke372 (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Total of Five, Three imprisoned and working together, C'Thun imprisoned and working on his own, and one dead. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Something wrong with Special:Ipblocklist?

Check out Special:Ipblocklist. For me it lists a bunch of strange users having blocked other users. This maybe some side effect of the user DB merger. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7:39 PM PST 26 May 2008

Yup, it is that Fandyllic. On a side note, I relatively certain I'm the Russian/Cryllic character name. :D --Sky (t · c · w) 06:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Passed it on, thanks. Kirkburn  talk  contr 12:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Account rename

First of all I'm very new to actually doing more than just reading Wikis, so I don't know if this is the right place to put this to at all, and my problem is quite small.

But, because I'm a nub, and didn't read the registration rules/guidelines properly, my usual nickname of "wT" turned into "WT" 'cos the wiki automatically capitalize the first letter of your username for you. So if it's possible and not too much hassle I'd like to get my name renamed to "Wt" instead which I think looks better than "WT"... a bit silly, /shrug.

I read from somewhere that it's better and faster to just create a new account with the name you want if there's not too much stuff done yet on the account, so just say the word and I'll do that instead, thank you for your time and sorry for being so long-winded for such a simple matter :o --wT (talk) 21:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You can make it appear as user wT, just not on your page, by making a custom signature or using or name by [[User:Wt|wT]] --Sky (t · c · w) 22:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
D'oh, that's the easiest way to handle it, thank you! --wT (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


Kirkburn. g0urra[T҂C] 10:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

You were looking for a way to replace <s>?

On that character insert thing below the edit form...remember <s> is deprecated. I've created {{strike}} as shorthand for the right way to do it. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


i was wondering if you could block this vandal or send him a warning this person just seems to be a trouble maker and doesn't follow the wowwiki code of conduct whatsoever

thanks, --WoWWiki-Panthero (talk) 00:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

See your talk page. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 03:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

i'd like to add him to the vandals page, it just seems a bit difficult for me to edit that template table ;-[ --WoWWiki-Panthero (talk) 06:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


plz can haz bot flag? --Charitwo 04:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

same plz. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 04:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot Seeks Certification - Will Fix Typos For Food

I seek a flag for "JIM the Bot". In the predictable future, this account will only be correcting categories, altering uppercase/lowercase and filling unpopulated categories. Thank you in advance. User:JIM the Inventor/Sig1 20:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Main Page News

Special:Contributions/JamieSI is begining to look like pure advertising for Strategy Informer to me. These are being posted on SI and then here long after the news has broke elsewhere. I don't like the abbitrary choice of sites to link to for the news and that anyone can edit the news. It should be the direct source articles getting priority, not whatever the editor's favorite site is that reports on it later. -- Zeal (T/C)  09:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

It is a little over the top, I'll give you that. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:22, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Beta Key

Lucky you :D ; wish I was at WWI now :D

Hope your enjoying it, good idea about your WWI page - I can stop reading it ;) RealmS (talk) 14:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Have to stop now, got a panel to go to - but it all looks pretty damn cool so far. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I think it's boosted your editcount by about 10,000 ;D lol. I'll definatly have to try and go next year RealmS (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Jest created these two templates and thought you might want to add this one to your page:

{{User WoTLK Key}}

Wotlk-mini.png This user has a Wrath of the Lich King Beta Key! The lucky Murloc...

I'd of added it myself to your page but was too scared to do so ;) RealmS (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's not be too premature - I have a beta key, but don't know which game it is for yet :P I was just watching the alpha at the event. Kirkburn  talk  contr 11:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
As you can proberbly tell I've regressed back into a jumping up and down toddler when it comes to WoTLK and Spore ;D RealmS (talk) 16:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


Excuse me, but is there any lists over Wc3 stuff? :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ofel (talk · contr).

Wowpedia:List of user templates is pretty much all of them. Feel free to create/add your own. Kirkburn  talk  contr 11:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Wiki maintenance - gold ads

I also edit on EVEwiki (, and it was mentioned that no way was known to stop ISK (gold) ads from appearing in google syndication ads. As you are one of the more potent voices here, I am hoping you also have a line on how to block particular ads, vendors, or perhaps even varieties of vendors, from appearing in google banner ads.

I appeal to you: lend me your wisdom, that I might pass unto others in different realms those secrets of maintaining decorum in advertising. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

According to wikiahelp:Bad advertisements, all you need is the URL. I do not personally deal with it, however, so cannot really give further advice. You could try emailing the address on there and asking if they have any links they can give you. Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Sandbox Categorization

Done. g0urra[T҂C] 09:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


For the sake of my sanity, please: if you're going to use this template, create the target category page first. -- Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No? I'm not going to create unused categories. Kirkburn  talk  contr 03:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Then move a single article into the new category. Voila!
As I understand it, C2C means, "all the items in this category should really be in category Y". I read this as "this is wrong, but I'm not going to actually move myself to fix it." I find the lack of effort as offensive as you apparently find the unused category. I have no objection, in principle, to the new category. But I do object to the method of getting it changed.
I would have much less unhappiness were you to use something like Wowpedia:Bot_requests to accomplish this goal. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is a bot request - WP:BR#Perpetual. You logic seems to suggest that those who add stubs, and other such problem flagging templates should do it all themselves. That is not the point of the templates. They are there to flag up problems for others to take a look at. Having two actively used categories for one topic is worse than having one incorrectly named category, hence why everything should be done at once. Kirkburn  talk  contr 03:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I ran across the tag without that context. You will note that the the template makes no mention of WP:BR#Perpetual. Instead, it presents instructions to the reader. Which I was/am. {{stub}} presents a request for assistance, not a demand. Looking at the current C2C template, I feel rather like I'm being told "No! Bad dog!".
On the "having two actively used categories" theme, I refer back to my comment, "presents instructions to the reader". Were I to add a new page to a C2C-marked category, which category is the proper one? I agree with the sentiment, though. It's part of the gripes I've had with Zeal, after all - leaving things betwixt and between. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It's barely anything to do with Zeal. I have no problem with people wanting to do ahead and fix the categories if they want - it doesn't have to be done by a bot. However, I see no reason why the categories shouldn't be flagged up for moving even if I'm not going to do it myself - if I was going to do it myself, I wouldn't bother tagging it!
The length of time c2c is likely to appear on a category is minimal - most are done within a few hours or days. Yes, it's possible a user might be unsure where to put an article - I suppose c2c could be worded better. Mainly, I don't like the idea of encouraging the use of two categories at once, which might be encouraged by creating the new category before anyone is going to mass move the articles. Kirkburn  talk  contr
I've updated {{c2c}}'s wording. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
TYVM. I appreciate your effort, and time. Perhaps I have simply been unlucky in having hit those C2C categories during that "days" period. I will likely add some text to Category:Incorrect categories, because of the double "user redirect" (See this; this says See That). --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 15:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Hey, Kirkburn.

Maybe you could put in to the Drysc page something about how the rumor was debunked? That'd be better then just editing it, in my opinion.

Oh, and I don't exactly know where you got the notion that Drysc is becoming a CM for the D3 forums... I can't find it anywhere that he's even partially moving there.


-- CheeseGamer (talk) 23:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Not really important enough to be debunked. Blame me. Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
/target Kirkburn
/blame! CheeseGamer (talk) 23:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, could you please tell me where did you get crest images? (for the page Crests) Thanks --Novis-M (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hullo! I think they originally came from the official WoW website and Sons of the Storm. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Of all people...

We prefer artistic or cinematic images in the infobox, thank you. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Bah, okay :) But in my defense, it's only a pencil sketch :P Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Also to your defense, the screenie in question was of good enough quality. You know the shpiel, not a perfect representation, blah, common model, blah. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Portals re-working

Gahoo was talking to me and indicated you may be interested in implementing the load-less portal tab switching thing.

I've looked into this a bit, the portals would have to be redesigned to something like User:Pcj/Sandbox/Wowpedia, User:Pcj/Sandbox/Portal:World of Warcraft, et al. (and no, the load-less function isn't built-in yet, see below)

The basic gist of the changes is to just separate off the content that changes from portal to portal so that it is accessible both for people without JS (i.e., they browse directly to the page and still see all the navigation) as well as making it a clean load for the normal, JS-enabled experience. One of the added benefits of these changes is that a lot of the content which is repeated on all the pages is stuck on the main portal, making changes easier.

Anyway, one remaining concern I have is the size of the portals, the Community portal for instance is very large, like 12k for the main section content. I was wondering if you would want all the portals to load at page load and (when JS is enabled) to just switch between the content sections with the CSS display attribute or dynamically loading using a bit more complicated setup involving AJAX.

Either should work; the AJAX option is more prone to failure (time-outs, etc), but the non-AJAX version will take longer on the initial load since it would be loading all the portals but displaying one.

--PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 03:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Image upload form, please fix

I've just noticed that one the Image/File upload form it still has a warning about not uploading Wrath of the Lich King NDA on it. Since the NDA has been lifed with the Beta starting shouldn't this be removed from the form? RealmS (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I have updated the text. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Nice one. Impressed with the speed there; didn't think you were online as havn't seen any edits by you today. How's the WoTLK beta? RealmS (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I like the login screen. That's as far as I am so far, until my key comes :( Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Lol, thats bad - thought you had it from BlizzCon all ready to go for when it came out. I've found myself constantly checking my email every couple of hours religously searching for one. Unfortunatly no luck so far ;D RealmS (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Bloodmoon Isle Edits

Hi Kirkburn, I am the user that added the new picture for Bloodmoon Isle among other pages. Thanks for reverting Coobra's edit. I don't understand why he undid my change in the first place and he hasn't responded yet to my talk page comment (although I just recently added it). I did have a direct question for you regarding usage of maps. Are specific subzone maps redundant due to the zone wide map on the bottom of the page? In the past I have included zone maps with the subzone highlighted in green, which I did for Bloodmoon Isle as well, but Coobra reverted it without any indication as to why. Can you please clarify what the wiki policy is regarding map inclusion/exclusion? --Rascilon (talk) 23:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

There isn't one that I know of. I like the idea of highlighting where stuff is on the maps, but it might be better served by a template, similar to the coordinate one we have on NPCs. I'll start a village pump discussion on it. Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

KirkBot broke Ashbringer

KirkBot made a simple change to Ashbringer that broke the page badly. I've fixed those edits, but you need to identify refs like this:

<ref name=foo/>

And replace them with:

<ref name="foo"/>


<ref name="foo/">

The latter will move everything up to the next </ref> into the references section, which isn't what you meant to do! -Deepone (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Ouch, point taken. However, my excuse is, the refs were written incorrectly. There should be a space before the final />, which looks like the bot incorrectly interpreted. Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you (in reguards to 'Fan Art')

Thank you for clearing that up for me a bit better than the other guy (Ose was it?). My fault for needing people to be specific, and his for not explaining properly. Let's all go kick some gnomes now, eh? Ayalafatalis (talk) 03:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Misunderstandings are fun :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 03:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

What's the procedure for "closing" a problem report?

Thanks for closing that problem report on Making a Macro (11414).

What is the procedure should I happen to work on any more of these with a problem report?

Thanks,--Gregity (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

There isn't one tbh - you could use the "comment" link on the reports, or - as you have done - notify an admin. Kirkburn  talk  contr 07:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for vandalism

I am sorry to what i did to mr bigglesworth... poor kitten... it wont happen again realy sorry i was having fun and i didnt realise it may affect others i am terribly sorry :'(

-- Elpaladin (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I am glad to hear it, but if it happens again, there will have to be repercussions. Kirkburn  talk  contr 10:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

wont happen again. i feel ashamed. :S Elpaladin (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Green Background on the imagelist

Check that the green background should not be there... -- Ziz@nzu 19:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

WoTLK Beta

Just got in to the Beta today :D Was checking my emails and there was my key :D So excited, unfortunatly though it's a slow download - 24hrs remaining estimated time :'( RealmS (talk) 09:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool, and congrats. :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 09:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

WoWWiki Meetup at Blizzcon

Many of us are going to Blizzcon I'm sure. Is there a WoWWiki User/Cleaner/Admin meetup planned at a bar somewhere? -- User:Drain/Sig 00:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Newbie looking for input on new page.

Kirkburn, Can you please look at Addon programming tutorial and tell me what you think on the discussion page?

This is my first attempt on a WoWWiki article and I'm sure I boned up lots of things. I'm going to be working on more pages, but want to make sure I get things as right as possible off the bat.

Thanks, --Gregity (talk) 03:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Rename and restructure in first few minutes. link updated. --Gregity (talk) 04:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hero Class Ideas

Would you mind looking at this discussion again? It really seems this article is superfluous. User:Omniferous/Sig 14:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hero Class ideas

Unable to login with Opera 9.52

When hitting the 'Login' when the page has been loaded, it shows a small dialog. When hitting 'Login' while the page is still loading, it navigates to a separate login page. Neither of these login options work in Opera.

The small dialog doesn't respond at all when submitting. The login page shows an error "Login error: You have not specified a valid user name", even though this same username/password works fine in IE7. -- WoWWiki-Dracula (talk) 10:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

There is a known problem with Opera which is being worked on. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Problem report needs closing

Howdy again,

I was looking through the problem reports and noticed that seems to be resolved.

I know there is no "automatic" way to close a problem report, so how about something like a discussion page on itself ?

Or, failing that, how about a inclusion template thingy brace-brace ResolvedProblem:13158 brace-brace that would list the page on some list someplace that the admins can watch?

-Gregity (talk) 15:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The report is closed now. It can be handled by admins, there don't really need to be any more mechanics to support this "feature". --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 15:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Of course there doesn't - that's why somebody didn't close the report they found. Is there a general admins page that I can use to post closure requests? Or should I just keep commenting on this page? Or does editing a page that has an open problem report on it notify the admins that the problem may have been fixed?-Gregity (talk) 16:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
An open problem report is not really an issue, as far as I'm concerned. If an admin sees it, and sees that it has been addressed, they will close it, which should be enough. You can ask further questions about this and other issues on the Village pump. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 16:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dynamic Sorts ?

Hi, I would like to generate a data page and make the columns sortable/filterable so if one were looking for x in area y they could specify the order and a filter.

That way I don't have to build multiple pages and (most importantly) worry that the pages were out of sync with each other.

I've not seen such functionality in Wiki but it seems that such a thing should exist.

Alternatively, is there a way to make a bot type thing that could automatically generate the alternate sorts from a master page?

I don't even know where to ask this question, so I'm hoping you can give me some leads....

Thanks, -Gregity (talk) 15:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Table#Sorting. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 15:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hot Dawg! I looked all over for something like that and missed this. Thank you very much! -Gregity (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

A (theoretical) question

Kirkburn -

I'm moving from California to New England next week, so I have a (theoretical) question. Say I do win one of these WWI cards - about how long would it take to reach California from...wherever it is you're sending it? Because I would rather it not show up when I'm no longer living at this address. That would royally suck! (And before you ask: No, I don't know what the new address is yet...a week before the move and we're STILL looking.)

Thank you,

--A very concerned Joshmaul (talk) 05:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Only theoretical? Theoretically it might possibly be coming from maybe San Francisco, which could be California-ish. (heh). If you do win, it would probably be sent before the end of this week. Kirkburn  talk  contr 05:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
"California-ish", eh? *chuckles* --Joshmaul (talk) 13:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Updated with new information

Fansites edit

Regarding this edit: [1] - do you know where that piece of code came from? I'm looking into it as a technical bug, so any information you can provide would be useful. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I actually do, my work proxy is to blame. Whenever I send post information that exceeds a certain character limit, the POST stuff will show up somewhere. At the time I posted it didn't occur to me that this was going to happen. Lesson learned: don't post blog entries and Wowwiki edits from work. Sorry about that!

-- Astalavista (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, weird ... thanks! Kirkburn  talk  contr 06:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Change polls?

Current 1s been on forever alrdy -.- =) VsKatshuma (talk) 11:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I've found you at last

I'm having some difficulty with Clearfont. I love it and have used it since I started playing WOW in March this year.

Since the last WOW patch which I downloaded today I don't seem to be able to find a version of Clearfont my addons (in wow) recognises as not out of date.

Even the Clearfont version which states it was updated 6 hours ago (about an hour before this post) doesn't work for me. This one I sourced from Curse Gaming.

There seems to be a lot of versions and outdated information on Clearfont, I thought I had the latest version but obviously not.

I've read through all the information on your website, on wiki and curse and still have had no luck.

I'm a bit of a technonoob but have downloaded and added it successfully for the past 8 months so I'm pretty sure thats not the problem.

Any suggestions? I love it, I'd even pay for it if I could get a version that worked.

Being a technonoob is also probably why I had so much trouble trying to find a way to contact you, I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but it was the only generic topic one I could find.

Cheers, Hulachook.

I don't really have time to look after CF2 at the moment, but you can use instead ... it should be basically identical, just without the in-game options. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Firefox 2 error

Sorry to contact you here, but I have no other possibility at this time. I'm normally using Firefox 2 but recently wowwiki fails to load (it works under all other browsers) I can't install firefox 3 here for some reason but I don't want to use a different browser for only one page :/ Could you see into that problem? It started only today, so...were some features added perhabs?--Maibe (talk) 20:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I've reported the connection error problems - I'll report back if I find out anything. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Now it works again for some reason. I seriously have no idea what happened (maybe a script-error?)--Maibe (talk) 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I need a neutral party

Over the past several days the user Zarnks has been posting fairly skewed data on high elf pages. (specifically Talk:High Elf, and Gilthares Firebough) I have reverted several of his edits (due to lack of neutrality and sources) and it seems that all he is capable of is pushing buttons... specifically mine. Could you talk to him, or something? I've tried to stay neutral on the topics, but he's been driving me crazy. If you find I am at fault for anything, please let me know.--Blayaden (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

We agreed on a compromise on Gilthares yesterday I have not edited the main article on high elves only expressing a differing opinion on the talk page(which is what its for). I am sorry If I offended you. Zarnks (talk) 03:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Recently I have been in a transition period between medications, so I have been unusually irritable and eisily frustrated. My actions have not been appropriate, and under normal circumstances, I wouldn't have over reacted like I have. I offer my SENCERE apologies Zarnks, and hope you can forgive me on the matter.

Due to my condition, I have decided to stay away from the wiki untill I am feeling better, since my irritibility and impatience have compromised my behavior. Again I offer my sencerest apologies.--Blayaden (talk) 16:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Z1nk66 6

Thanks for the welcome and for clearing things up. I'm probably not going on for a while. Atleast some people have human decency.--Z1nk66 6 (talk) 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


Ty for finding a reasonable explanation for me. >_< --Sky (t · c · w) 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Now shake hands and make up :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 15:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Help a noob out?

Hi Kirkburn. I'm sorry to bother you but I'm not sure where to turn and I noticed you've modified the page in question. I made a change to Guild_website_utilities a while back, moving a guild hosting site into what I thought was its proper place (much lower on the alphabetically-sorted list). They moved themselves back into a more prominent location, using what as far as I can tell is a fake spelling of their name ("eXplosive" rather than the "Xplosive" used in their elink, domain name and promotional info on their website). My opinion is that this is a violation of Wowpedia:External_links, but I just got here. Rather than start a revert war I figured I'd ask for a third party to step in. Would you mind helping resolve this or pointing me in the right direction? Thanks.

-- Steelforge (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Please clarify

In Help:Editing/Basic is guidance: "<br> is sufficient as wikitext code. The XHTML code <br /> is not needed; the system produces this code."

Revision history of "Trophy fish" has a change by Kirkbot, "Typo fixing, Replaced: <br> → <br /> using AWB"

Which is correct? If the KirkBot change is prefered, the editing documentation ought to reflect that.

Madkaugh (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

<br /> is more "correct" for XHTML code, the wiki just doesn't force you to use it. I've tweaked the text slightly. Use either tbh, but as it costs almost nothing in bot power, I leave that switching them. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. It sounds like <br /> is slightly less workload on the server, true? Madkaugh (talk) 03:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism report

Just created this account to report some racist text added to the instances pages ("main page > Instances: Dungeon Info" link to get there.)

Edits listed as "We Shall Never Be Defeated made an edit on 3 December 2008".

The Edits were made to the Title, the PageName and throughout the code in various links in order to bring the user back to that page.


-- Firewillow (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Ragestorm and Gourra have sorted it :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: Mr Muscle

Wut? g0urra[T҂C] 17:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

See post directly above ^ Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Video Location

Ah ok, sorry about that. Since they were strategy related with commentary I had put them at the end of the text strategies thinking that was most appropriate. I'll move them.

Edit: Looks like you already did. Again my apologies. I'll make sure to add any future ones at the bottom. Thanks.

-- Marrick (talk) 19:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

That's okay :) Yeah, they're strategy videos, but for ease of organisation, we like to have them in consistent places everywhere. I've added a note about that to the WoWWiki Manual of Style. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

problem with image not updating

Hello Kirkburn!!

I'm trying to replace this image Image:Venomspite1.jpg and done it 3 times, pressed Ctrl + F5 many times in FF 3, but the image still displays the old one. But if I click on any of the previous version I get the correct image. So I tried to revert but it still displays old image. Tried another browser, problem remains. Can you help me? --User:ShandrisForever 09:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem lies with the European image cache server of Wikia. The techies says they are working on it. g0urra[T҂C] 09:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Add MurphBot to the Bot group

Hiya, please could you add MurphBot to the Bot group. Thanks in advance. --User:WoWWiki-Murph/Sig 22:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see a few edits from the bot first, so I can check it's working okay :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
No problem. I have used it for relatively small things here and there from my main account in the past, but it will be less hassle to just do a few things with it from the bot account, than to have you look through my entire edit history for bits here and there. I have always run it manually and attended thus far, and years of healthy computing paranoia has me religiously and closely checking the first few diffs are as intended before relaxing to only checking a sample through a larger batch. I'll drop a note here when a medium task is complete. --User:WoWWiki-Murph/Sig 18:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Ok, there's 100 edits in about 20 minutes, and the first task complete (although I intend that one to be periodic until the achievements categories have been mostly fleshed out). I'm reasonably satisfied that it has worked as intended. --User:WoWWiki-Murph/Sig 18:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Marked as bot :) Use it wisely! Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do! :) --User:WoWWiki-Murph/Sig 20:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedydelete abuse and other things

I just wanted you to know that you should keep an eye out for this. I've had my template {{speculation-inline}} deleted without even a speedydelete tag and then when I restored it (saying it wasn't tagged delete or speedydelete), Pcj just put an {{sd}} tag without explanation and deleted it.

As you know, I am loathe to use my bureaucrat powers, but if people continue to abuse their admin powers, I may have to demote them to teach them a lesson. We already know Pcj has an attitude, but I don't want to see it spread.

And yes, I'm putting this on your talk page because I do want others to see it. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:22 PM PST 23 Dec 2008

Yeah, it wasn't me who put the speedydelete on the page. Please investigate the page history before making baseless accusations. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 23:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
You still carried it out when the reason was "as requested". So I retract nothing. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:59 PM PST 24 Dec 2008
I will admit I had a hand in this. This is not some kind of a conspiracy or some kind of major vandalism. The deletion was discussed on IRC.--SWM2448 23:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
...which brings us to the point where Fandyllic need to be more on IRC. g0urra[T҂C] 00:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The irony being that I wasn't approached and a discussion started when I deleted it the first time. It is a template with absolutely zero purpose. Any speculation per our policies should be in a separate section titled "Speculation" with the {{speculation}} tag and any baseless speculation should be completely removed. Any inline and legitimate speculation should hence be moved to said section. Its an example of template-creep and absolutely unneeded and hence why it was removed the first time. You do not reverse the action if you don't understand why; you contact someone (preferably the deleter) by IRC, talk page, or email. Yes, I understand there's a need for due process, but when there's none, or when it's deemed unneeded by a certain number of people, you don't force it down peoples' throats. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to ya'll :) Most of you shouldn't be reading this, but anyway... IRC does not have easily read logs, nor did the comment specify IRC. Please remember not to assume knowledge! Yes, IRC is useful, but you still need to make decisions understandable for those not on IRC, whether that be Fandyllic or other users. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Your comment is valid to an extend Kirkburn, a bureaucrat who doesn't bother to be on IRC has no right to threaten to demote an administrator and shows irresponsibility.
Diversity of opinions in an administration team is great. But when I look from it with a few steps back, all I see is the entire team being relatively organized and one or two guys making a whole mess out of it, people who don't bother to stay up-to-date with the rest of the team.
Again, I'm inactive lately and my opinion is just that: an opinion. Take it for what it is but I think you, Fandyllic, should consider either changing radically the way you manage your powers, or be yourself demoted before you threaten more people.
Merry christmas. User:Adys/Sig 04:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Did someone mention IRC logs? Also, wikis work by collaboration, admins are given tools to clean up the junk that accumulates. There is a certain amount of trust indicated in the position; Fandyllic should have contacted me before complaining. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 05:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Again, the edit comment did not mention IRC, and IRC logs are not easily searched (you do recall how much random stuff we talk about? ;) ). I myself have not managed to get on IRC much recently due to being very busy elsewhere - it's existence is a luxury, not a requirement.
Anyway, it's holidays, make merry, and this isn't the end of the world. You should see the stuff that goes on on some other wikis... :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Adys, you might want to change your tone. Maybe you can take my place in representing the community with Wikia? Go ahead, start a vote... if you win I'll be glad for you to take my place. As for Pcj's comment. Admin powers are not for undefended reversions and using them as a tool in what appears to be a personal grudge. As I said with Adys, if you want to take my place or get rid of me, start a vote. I will honor any result. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:06 AM PST 1 Feb 2009

Removed unverified info

Hi. On page Wowpedia in section Warcraft wiki languages - Off Wikia link to polish page: is bad. that page isn't about WoW. I think this domain is for sale. Styxiak (talk) 11:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

While we are on the subject, under "Help, policies and guidelines" on Wowpedia, Warcraft Universe should be spelled Warcraft universe. Also, there are some other misc. spelling/grammar mistakes. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 11:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The bad URL has been removed. g0urra[T҂C] 11:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Image size

Sorry i didnt know where else to ask this, how is the size of images (ie how big they appear in the article) controlled on wowwiki? -- WoWWiki-Daos (talk) 18:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

See WP:IMAGE. g0urra[T҂C] 18:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

merging user accounts

As per the question that i raised on User_talk:Fandyllic, would it be possible to merge user accounts and their edit history?

Heya - we generally avoid this as it is a lot of work for the techies. If you have a really good reason for it, it's possible, but generally we don't do it at the moment. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


Hello. This might be a stupid question.. but yeah. Could I ask you for help over at WoWRP? I currently know less then nothing about the way Monaco works. I think we might need some help with the CSS and layout etc. Seeing as you have more edits on the Monaco CSS for WoWWiki I thought that asking you would at least be a step in the right direction. And of course, if you can't help that's fine to. Asking doesn't hurt though. ;) --Eluna (T/C/e]) 00:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Featured article wiki markup question

Hi, I was wondering why for your FA code you insert the choose tag using the {{#tag}} parser function instead of just inserting the tag directly? I figured that it must either be some kind of obscure optimization or workaround for an archaic problem. What's the real function of this markup?

Thanks, BBilge (talk) 00:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, it was to allow it to pass templates properly. Kirkburn  talk  contr 12:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Ultimately, I decided to try a different approach. --BBilge (talk) 18:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I love what you've done with the skin, especially the subtle edit box background effect. Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks man. Unfortunately, the other editors weren't so keen. --BBilge (talk) 20:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

"adless browsing"

I think you're the person I'm looking for... I was wondering if now is the time to change the comment on the main page about logging in for adless browsing since we're experimenting with new advertisements even for logged in users. Might help with some of the confusion and shock that's being expressed here: Wowpedia talk:Village pump#Advertisement_Bullcrap -- Mordsith - (talk|contr) 18:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

A favor

Hi mate, could you check if User:WoW Fan Story Writer and User:Jaberwaki use the same IP address? I suspect they're the same person.... --User:ShandrisForever 21:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope, different. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! --User:ShandrisForever 18:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: DNP Policy Update

Per our discussiontalk:DNP policy#Change_to_the_image_DNP_policy from many moons ago, it looks like the official policy never got updated with your suggested rephrasing. Would you mind updating it? -- Tyrsenus t c 15:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan! I'll get right on it. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Tooltips preferences tab

Hmm, the preferences part of the JS is a bit old, I would really like to get something a bit less clumsy anyway. I may set the configuration up on a page outside of Preferences. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Up to you, really - I just don't want to break it :) How would it work outside of prefs? Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Probably set up a page (like Wowpedia:Tooltips) and slap a div on there with a specific ID then set up the JavaScript to fill it out with the necessary HTML. It's not like the settings in the preferences tab are saved in the user account anyway. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:58, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, 'tis true. Sounds like it could work. Kirkburn  talk  contr 01:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
It's set up, a link to the new page will be added to preferences once the cache updates but the additional tab should already be out of there. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 17:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Cool :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Nah, wasn't me. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 01:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


Do you see anything wrong with this edit? --Sky (t · c · w) 16:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah ... will be fixed. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
In the same light, I don't think anons should be able to submit video: Video:30 Seconds of Bliss-Epic! --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 13:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
We can't work out what vector was used to do that, after trying all the ones we added. Any ideas? Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
No ideas, it does look like there was no change among "file" revisions. Also, the "what links here" feature on those pages is not accurate, and deleting videos does not break links on the wiki to them. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 14:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I can confirm the WLH issue, and well get that sorted, but we're not sure of the exact details for the deletion bug. What are you seeing exactly, and when did it occur? Kirkburn  talk  contr 07:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The new category system: Hateful

I suppose this could be answered before and whatever, but I would like to know if there's any possibility of deactivating this new tool.

You know, this one where categories appear as small banners.

First of all, as "Old School" editor in other wikias, I prefer writing the categories by myself.

Second, this new system adds blank spaces to the page every time you edit it. And it's kinda annoying.

That's all. Hope you can give me a solution ;).

Cheers, Lon-ami (talk) 11:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC).

We're working on making it optional - I certainly do understand your position. All feedback is useful, thanks :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
In the meantime there is a link, "Code view" you can click on the right side of the category section, that changes the category editing to manual so you edit it in the old style if you need to.Baggins (talk) 18:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, but the system keeps adding blank space. It's just annoying. Uh, and don't try to edit a single section, because you'll end creating spaces in the middle of the article.
Hope you solve it soon ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 09:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that there has been several anonymous users adding categories through this tool. --g0urra[T҂C] 09:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The anon issue should already be fixed - let me know if it's still happening. The spacing issue is down as a high priority bug, should also be fixed soon. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I'd rather focus on making it an optional tool. It's the best way to solve problems for user who won't ever use the tool.
--Lon-ami (talk) 19:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Also a high priority issue :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It may need to be disabled by default on JS pages... script gets messed up when categories are outside comments. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 19:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Good spot - sounds like a reasonable change (similar to how the new editor is disabled on those pages too). Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems the wikia staff solved the issue adding the option to deactivate it.
Just go to your preferences, to the edition section, and select to have it deactivated. It's named "Category tagging".
Thanks, wikia ;).
--Lon-ami (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem with Wowpedia and Portal:WotLK pages

For the last few weeks I have noticed that Wowpedia and Portal:WotLK do not load for some reason - I can use direct urls to other pages 3.1.0 and then from there go to any page I want unless it is the Main or WotLK Portals -- they just do not load some times -- I have in my preferences the option Check this box to use the custom WoWWiki Monaco skin (recommended). This will override skin choices made above. This setting will follow you across Wikia. checked but as I mentioned some days ( like today ) it wont load anything unless I go to a page via direct link and then go to where I want via links or search box - so far as i can tell Every page but the main Portal pages Wowpedia, Portal:WotLK, Project:Interface customization (those portal pages ) do not work all of the time - the sub pages of them do work ie Wowpedia/Help pages do work -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 01:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Just chiming in here, it's a result of the warhammer ad on the front page right now. I've been running in to the same problem. More at Working with Wikia. --k_d3 01:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, we noticed it as well yesterday, and are investigating. Thanks for the info! Regarding the ad, Blizzard did the same thing on our Warhammer wiki for the WotLK launch :) I hope it does get them a few more customers, given the reduction in servers going on atm. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
After Kaydeethree posted a screenshot of when she was (Logged in vs Logged out) I did a check myself and found out Logged out the Portal pages loaded - they did not load only when I was Logged in - and that is mentioned as well on that forum -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 17:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

RFB - kd3

Please review the latest RFA vote. Thanks. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 03:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


Please see User_talk:Adys#Do_you_remember_the_rules_concerning_Rolandius.3F. Adys banned Rolandius based on User_talk:Ragestorm#Oh_boy. I'm am completely serious about what I said on Adys' talk page. If you would like to setup a review of the rules regarding Rolandius, I would welcome that. Otherwise, I'm going to just start doing what I've wanted to for a few months, but have generally held back to keep the peace. The peace may be at an end. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:49 PM PST 20 Mar 2009

To elaborate what I just said on my talkpage, you've been abusing your powers on the Rolandius case. Since the start. Many admins are concerned about this, and there's been a lot of talk on IRC about it.
You've held back the entire team. I couldn't care more about threats towards me (particularly with a recent activity like mine), but I do care about how Baggins got harassed recently and how you took part of some primary school-level bullying. I'm concerned about the constant "Fandy did this, Fandy did that" coming up in emails, on IRC, in IMs and god knows where else. I'm annoyed to see people I know just submit to the will of someone who knows much less about a case than others, just because he has more power.
I'm concerned about all of this. We were about to contact Kirk to get his approval on kd3 and talk about you very seriously; I think that won't be as necessary if you start spitting out threats to other admins.
Try to be part of your own team, or don't be part of it at all; the way you've been acting would've gotten any user banned. I think it'll be really gentle if you still even have admin rights once this is closed for good. User:Adys/Sig 20:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Images: "_" or " "?

On a recent edit round, Kirkbot replaced ":INV_Misc_Shell_03" with ":INV Misc Shell 03". In what way are the underbars erroneous? The look of the page is unchanged. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Nah, nothing particularly wrong with it, it's just an automatic cleanup thing - mostly for clarity I guess. It does the same with article links. I haven't run AWB for a while, but it looks like most articles are coded pretty well atm :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I demoted Adys

The reason is basically here. I think I talked to you awhile back about how I wasn't going to take the BS as much anymore. Also, if you need any evidence about my concerns of a cabal of some admins basically scheming without the interests of other admins in mind, I think this is a pretty good piece of evidence. Perhaps you even were party to some of these discussions on IRC, but chose to give the benefit of the doubt.

I offered to remove myself from adminship previously, but if you agree with a large enough group of admins, I'm fine with not being a sysop or bureaucrat. I only would like to know who wanted to demote me and why.

Sorry to air this kind of dirty laundry here, but as you know I prefer openness to backroom dealing. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:19 PM PST 8 Apr 2009

Contact me or ckknight

Heya Kirkburn, can you contact myself or Ckknight on irc/e-mail. I believe ckk has just e-mailed you as well.

-- Ackistc 17:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

WoWWiki AddOn updater

What would the feasibility (as far as bandwidth concerns, allowing other file extensions to be uploaded, etc.) be of allowing people to upload AddOns to the website and allow users to update as a module in WoWInterface's Minion updater? I think they have a place that Wikia could put ads, might be another revenue source if it works out... Just bouncing around an idea. Let me know. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 03:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It's something we've looked at in the past, but as far as I know, the bandwidth costs are likely to be much higher the the return me might get from it. I'd worry about stuff like who can upload updates, security issues, testing uploads, and general backend issues (especially on patch days). It is a very interesting idea, though - crucially has mentioned it to me before - you could try chatting to him on IRC? Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Crucially says the servers can handle it. Is there anything else to consider before bringing it up for a general debate? Obviously the security concerns and other things still need worked out. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 18:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I would love to get a list of what we would/would not want and need for doing this, from a community perspective. A forum post sounds like a good idea, but it should be noted that we don't want to get hopes up too quickly. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
To be clearer on this, are you okay with being the main evangelist on this at the moment? I am collating info for Wikia on this, and would prefer to see what the community comes up with, without putting the Wikia spin on it at first (though obviously I'll give feedback in the discussion). Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Yep, was just writing up a post. Forum:WoWWiki AddOn Updater --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 19:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

'Magical Fields'

Moved to Forum:Magical Fields.--SWM2448 21:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Changes made to portals break in Safari

Hey, the changes you made to the portals seem to have broken Safari's view of it, it renders blank pages for the portals now. See

I plan to review it, but maybe you have some ideas before I get around to it. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 20:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

That's ... weird - I didn't change anything that should have such an effect: I just changed text. Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
It appears to all be on the "WoW" tab in Chrome/Safari. o_O Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Looks to be fixed. Not sure quite what it was, possibly some spacing issue. Not that that really explains why it broke so drastically. Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Vandalism and Admin "gone wild"


Am curious to why a wiki page was locked due to a page that was modified from it's original format being reverted back to the original. The admin "Coobra" "reverted" the page back to the modified version with a warning to my account regarding this.

I am curious why the page was reverted back to the CHANGED version vs the original format. And why the others who were the original ones to modify the page from the original format did not get a warning and I did.

-- Vabu.exodar (talk) 06:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Guess I'll explain it to you slowly... again. View the history of the page, I locked it to stop the edit wars going on, its not a perma-lock. I reverted nothing which as I'll say again, haven't touched anything. And it appears to me that your changes are unwanted according to posts on the official forums Exodar Progression Page and Exodar Realm Forums. And I'd like to ask what warning? Telling you to discuss the changes on Server talk:Exodar US/Level 80 raid Progression is not a warning, its a way of getting you to communicate to the others (FYI Rainman5419 got the same message). Which I see you're still not communicating with them, you're going all over the place to continue complaining. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Guess I wasn't clear in my other questions to you personally, so let me format and state this very slow as well.... First off, I am sorry I did not know you were "Kirkburn" my apologies. As for going all over the place to continue complaining, this is the second area as you stated they are not vandals, however I disagree with the warning to me but not to Rainman5419. You claim and I quote "As for the (FYI Rainman5419 got the same message). " however, and state otherwise there is no history of a message to him giving the same warning which I received and can be seen (on a computer that I am not even logged onto)
So other than that, I am curious also where this is going to go from here do I wait for more players to respond to the thread saying they liked the older format to be a valid community wish? They as well have not posted in that server talk area an after having several level 1 alts log on and harass me I'm not exactly inclinded to talk to them. If not please point me in the correct direction, as I don't want to get banned.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vabu.exodar (talk · contr).
Well you've complained on the vandals page, my page, baggins page, and now here.. thats 4. And yea I'll respond on other people's talk pages if someone starts claiming that I'm doing things that I'm not, you better believe it. I'm still wondering what warning to which your referring... the comment about how to add vandal to the list? or the the comment of me telling you where to discuss your edit changes. If you're referring to the adding a vandal to the list of course rainman5419 didn't receive it as he wasn't adding anyone. If you you're referring to the comment of me telling you where to discuss changes, then you're blind, its right HERE. Want to know where to go from here? Try, as I've mentioned a few times now, communicating. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 07:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)



I am writing on behalf of a project myself, and two other Research Master students at Utrecht University, are doing on World of Warcraft for a University project (as I myself have been playing WoW since December 2007, I thought it might be interesting to look at the community within WoW) - specifically addressing and wishing to correct some more negative assumptions associated with the game, which we believe to be obsolete and incorrect. For our research we are conducting a general internet survey open to anyone who has played, or is playing WoW, you can find here:

Before just going ahead and posting in the forums, we wanted to ask and confirm that we would be allowed to post our link to our survey on your site in order to find people to take the survey (as naturally, for the research to be completed we need participants)! We just are looking to post it on the site for those interested, and are not looking to contact users or spam the forums with it, just, after reading your rules, wanted to confirm with you that a post would be ok.

Thanks in advance, and looking forward to hearing back from you. Regards, Tzoanna

That sounds fine to me :) I suggest posting it in Forum:World of Warcraft. Good luck! Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Video policy

I would like to direct your attention to Forum:Video_policy?, if you would be so kind. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


If I made a trial account for WoW:LK and it expired, could I go buy just plain WoW and still play on it? Polo Boy (talk) 19:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Really shouldn't ask a question in multiable areas. Answered at User talk:Gourra#Question. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


Could you please make sure the #wikia chat log gets handed to the ad team who thought it was a good idea to turn on the double-underlined green text links? And anyone else who's capable of making sure this doesn't happen again?

And remind them that everyone in the channel (which includes me!) thought this was an intentional action until danny was able to get them turned off? --k_d3 04:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure, and sorry that it occurred at all :( It wasn't intended to go live, but resulted from a misconfig on our end (not even by the ad team). Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Category JS problem

When I "check the box to use the custom WoWWiki Monaco skin", I cannot add a category to a page with a redirect. I tried the visual view and the code view. I gave up and went back to the old "wowwiki" skin and it worked fine. I was editing Besting the Black Dragonflight if you can find anything in the logs about why this was failing. It's possible, although it seems less likely, that it was a browser specific issue. I was using Firefox 3.0.11 when this happened, and it should be reproducible. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 10:30 AM, 11 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, I can confirm it - will pass it on to be fixed. Thanks! Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
It seems to be mostly fixed, although there is a display issue (at least in Chrome). When I look at the page, I don't see the category. But if I edit the page, or change the skin, I can see that the category is there. See Denyin' The Scion for example. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 6:40 PM, 21 Jul 2009 (EDT)
Weird and now it's working. Maybe it's a slow script that was running. But I've got a screenshot if you need it. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 6:45 PM, 21 Jul 2009 (EDT).

Search problem

I don't know if this is user error, or if something is really goofy with searching. I searched for "Ignis" and there is a page with that exact name, and nothing. Same thing with Ignis the Furnace Master. Weird huh? Both of those pages should be in the main namespace, and that's checked. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 9:01 AM, 12 Jul 2009 (EDT)

This has come up a few times before - I'll report it and get it fixed :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

My username

When the Wikia user databases were merged, my username were changed from “Odolwa” to “WoWWiki-Odolwa”. I wonder, is there any way for me to regain my old username? Thanks in advance!--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 23:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

See Wowpedia talk:Upgrades#Account merge/rename/problems? Post here. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Lich King Monaco image

Hey, I was wondering what program did you use to make the Monaco Lich Kink image. It's very impressive. --Darth Stefan (talk) 10:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Darth Stefan


The Thrall article needs some major help with grammar. I would do it but I am way too tired Lckyluke372 (talk) 04:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

"Help:Minor Edit"

The 'minor edit' link at the bottom of the edit window leads to a page that declares "this page has been deleted" at the top. I think that's probably an unreasonable state for a page linked to by wiki page layout links.

What led me there was Rolandius' pointing out that the minor edit page mentions 'categories' as a minor edit. My impression, particularly from some of the hazing Rolandius has taken, was that categories are often a step up from 'minor'. Easier to take offense at, in many cases. I'd add a comment on the discussion page for Minor Edit, were I more sure that the page actually existed... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I now notice that the text I am seeing "is stored on Wikia Help". We share that page with them, then? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Wikia help is replicated across all Wikia wikia. The local page was deleted probably because it was redundant and/or outdated. In any case the use of minor edit is not "policy", Wikia's or WoWWiki's, and Wikia tends to define things a bit differently than WoWWiki may. I would say (and have) that changing category structure is a step up from a minor change. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 18:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
FWIW - I would agree more with the "definition" of a minor edit at the Meta Help page. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 18:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I believe Meta's definition agrees more with my own. We should, perhaps, override Wikia's help definition. Pretty sure that that is what's happening here. ... The 'deletion date' is in 2007. Were we already in Wikia by then? I thought we moved later than that. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Gem categories

Would you care to join us on Forum:Gem_type_categories? I recall you were a proponent for the W.O.W. prefix on categories. I'd appreciate your input before new categories get made. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


BTW, are you interested in voting on either of these issues? It seemed like maybe you were.

  1. Change categories with "World of Warcraft" to "WoW"? Vote here.
  2. Avoid repeating prefixes on sub-categories? Vote here.

/chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 5:41 PM, 30 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Usage of Azeroth

How do you feel about the colloquial usage of Azeroth referring to "Classic WoW," such as on Fishing pool? /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 10:38 PM, 7 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Limerick Contest?

Howdy! I see I supposedly won? What happens now, if you don't mind me asking?

Thanks for any reply!

-- WCrispy (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

WoWWiki Screenshot Contest Spring 2009

Hi, Kirkburn. Well you see, my book hasn't arrive to my house yet. Have you recieved an answer from Blizzard about this? Thanks in advance Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 15:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Prodding, will get back to you as soon as I get a reply. Sorry :( Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Frag Belt item page

This is the first time i am editing any page of WoW-Wiki so please bear any noob Qs. In the  [Eternal Belt Buckle] page there was some problem with the tootip of  [Belt-Clipped Spynoculars] so i changed it to  [Frag Belt] as per the latest patch. But the problem is still there with the Item hyper-linking so i linked it simply to the  [Frag Belt] item page. Also in the  [Frag Belt] item page should there be any images to the reagents as it is with the tools. At last if u make the appropriate changes tell me how u did it if it's fine with you. I tried but was not successful.

-- Saisatyendu (talk) 17:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Should all be fixed now. See the documentation for {{proftip}} for more information. Welcome to the wiki! /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 1:32 PM, 12 Aug 2009 (EDT)


I tried to clean up the Darkfallen page but the user that did the last changes reverted all. I don't know what sources are there, IMO the page is nearly built on speculations only. --N'Nanz (talk) 13:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Using Template Tooltip to categorize

Moved to Template_talk:Tooltip#Using_Template_Tooltip_to_categorize /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 11:43 PM, 16 Aug 2009 (EDT)


Forum:Updating for Cataclysm guide, anything you want to add or that I missed. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks great :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

WoW-LotR ..

This made me lol. (Just sayin') --Hó-òh, Diskussion, 09:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


"saving horses from a hungry ettin (a creature which currently looks like a gronn)" by currently I guess you mean they'll change it into having two heads like in the Dungeons & Dragons monster manual? TherasTaneel (talk) 01:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Good question: and I can only really say "possibly". It remains to be seen whether Blizzard will go by the D&D description. Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Revisiting image DNP changes

I think there is some confusing ambiguity in the DNP Policy regarding images. The wording needs changing. What do you think of the comments here?--SWM2448 23:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

problem at the page i edited

hello, i have edited the page  [Bloodied Arcanite Reaper] and it seems there's a problem there, i get a message says "Invalid tag extension name: onlyinclude", the funny thing is that i never touched this part!

I'm glad u left me this message because i didn't know what to do :)

thanks in advance

-- ARTillery (talk) 18:15, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Coobra's fixed it. Kirkburn  talk  contr 12:32, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sysop for guidelines

Do you remember why you made the guideline pages sysop; you didn't leave any reason [2][3][4] (etc)? Although I did notice WP:MOS is not protected which I found interesting. I think I'll support protecting policies (although I'd like to open at least some of those up if possible), but I think we ought to loosen guidelines at a minimum.

On a related note, your comments would be appreciated on this policy discussion: Forum:Ref web, bluepost, and blizzforumlink /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 5:05 PM, 23 Sep 2009 (EDT)

They're only move protected - we had issues with "move vandals": that is, vandals that spend their time moving and re-moving pages, one of the most annoying types to deal with. They should indeed be freely editable though. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:23, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
I see now. Good! That's how it should be. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 7:40 PM, 23 Sep 2009 (EDT)

Forum thread regarding image policy

Dear Kirkburn: some people requested your presence at Forum:Copyright policy: in need of overhaul?.IconSmall BloodElf Male.pngAMBER(RΘCK) 20:59, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Guild navbox deletion

My guild's navbox was deleted by pcj as a violation of the WP:GUILD policy that "A complete list of guild members" is not allowed. Our navbox only contained links to those members that had taken the time to create WoWWiki character pages, not a listing of the entire guild membership. It was designed to be used as the footer for our guild page and our character pages to facilitate navigation between the related articles.

I presented my reasoning to pcj on his/her talk page but was told the deletion would stand. pcj was kind enough to refer me you when I asked to whom I could appeal the decision. I'd like a second opinion from you: does a navbox-style list of a guild's active character pages violate the spirit of the guild page policy? -- Dmleach (talk) 01:02, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


Can you check to see if User:Ghostsong, User:Satyrmane, User:TheSatyr are the same? Thanks... --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:34, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

First two: same. Last one is completely different. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I´m someone different :) TheSatyr 16:06, November 2,2009

Please check User:~Psychotic~, User:~Meatshield~, and User:Smurdah. Thanks. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 02:55, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately it does not store information that far back, so I cannot confirm or deny. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:51, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


hello I believe you are an admin and would like to formally request adminship myself. this though is not for selfish reasons. I am the creator of a petition not yet into the world of warcraft forum. I would like to keep a close watch over my petition page and would respectfully do my duties as an admin. please contemplate this before flat out saying no as I know I do not (qualify) for adminship yet but I would do my best at the job and it would make makeing sure people dont screw with my petition easier if I had more power. signed Biscuit 12

I hope it's okay with you

I hope it's okay with you that I marked you're picture, File:Icon wow.png with Speedy Delete because all it was, was really just an updated version of an old picture. So I downloaded it, and re uploaded it on the old picture as an "updated" version. Just letting you know. EDIT: The old picture's page that I uploaded the new file to is at File:WoW Icon 64x64.png if you want to go check it out.

-- TeeSon5 (talk) 13:00, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Javascript "logon" button

Wanted to point you to my objection to the recent change that made wowiki's login page require javascript to be enabled in order to log on. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:50, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Fate of the Watchdogs

I am working on decommissioning the community teams, and was thinking of turning the Watchdogs more into a "Requests for patroller rights" page. Regardless of what I do, I can not grant user rights and there has become a bit of a backlog of people who want rollback rights. Only you and Kaydeethree can do this. What are your thoughts? Should I bother Kaydeethree?--SWM2448 23:02, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Yay bureaucracy! --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 23:06, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, sounds like admins should be able to give/remove patroller rights. Perhaps we should just do that? Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:38, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Makes sense. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 23:44, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Requested :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:46, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Also, what is the difference between the "Rollback" group (I'm special) and the "Patrollers" group?--SWM2448 23:53, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
See Special:ListGroupRights, towards the end. Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:55, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
If the watchdogs purpose changes, please cancel my request to join. I'll just run for adminship instead. BobNamataki (talk) 00:11, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
Once you have Patroller rights, you can do everything the watchdog group is currently tasked to do. Without them, you can do almost everything the watchdog group is tasked to do. (You just don't see 'unpatrolled pages'.) Any editor can assume the duties at will. What more were you looking for from the Watchdog group, than the patrol ability? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 01:16, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
I find the "Patrollers" abilities much more useful to me than just "Rollback". I seldom actually use the rollback feature, as it 'expedites' the process to the point of "you don't comment on why you undid the change". I find that's a useful thing to do, if it isn't your changes you're undoing. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 01:11, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
I'll leave my request for Watchdogs up because I don't understand whats going on :D TeeSon5 (talk) 02:38, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Ye asked, and ye shall have received. sysop can now +/- Patrollers group --Uberfuzzy (talk) 23:26, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


I fixed my signature. (By the way, you're on like 20 wikis aren't you?). BobNamataki (talk) 17:40, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Many more than that! Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:37, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Cataclysm Goblin

Did you get to see waht the Goblin City looks like at blizzcon? Hallowseve15 (talk) 22:40, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, unfortunately - we were restricted to a single island. Kirkburn  talk  contr 09:17, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Name changing

You left a comment on my talkpage about changing my name- how would I do this? Thanks! Drysc (talk) 17:33, January 2, 2010 (UTC)