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Welcome!!! --Ryon21 (talk) 09:08, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! At least this time I didn't have to ask for one :P --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


All the new pages you're adding (and thanks for that!) appear to be pretty complete. Do you mind removing the stub tag from your template for those? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The quest ones? Ah, I see now, ok. Although I wonder if those supply quests are required to have a profession learned, or are just available without any requirements? Do you know? --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 20:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
I THINK - but I'm not 100% positive - that all of the gathering quests can be done by any character, but crafting quests require the profession. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

"Rename me" and similar

Do we really need everything from the database on the wiki? Quests like N [110 - 120] RENAME ME serve no purpose other than cluttering search. They were never intended to go live, players have never seen and will never see them, and outside of a database record, barely exist at all. We're not a database, we're a wiki. --Kaydeethree (talk) 21:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

There are lots of stuff from databases already on the wiki in the Removed from beta/alpha categories. Think, it's nice to see some development directions that the texts speak about, and are also included on other pages as trivia. Although the names are indeed silly, some of these entries don't exist on live versions of databases, so, imo, the texts should be transcribed somewhere. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't think we should be adding empty/tracking quests that consist purely of a quest name, but if there's some substance to them as with these, I don't mind. PeterWind (talk) 23:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
The only reason we're aware of these quests at all is because we're looking at database sites. If Wowhead wasn't able to pull unavailable-to-players quests, that are still visible because they didn't get properly deleted, would it actually change anything regarding the lore? --Kaydeethree (talk) 23:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, generally speaking I don't think "removed from testing" stuff has too much impact on the lore. I just think it's neat. PeterWind (talk) 01:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Warcraft 3

Excuse me, may I know who are you? You aren't an admin, are you? It's about reverting tmmy edits.--Oxlord (talk) 19:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not an admin, but xporc is, and he changed it the first time in this edit. Later, this edit from another admin happened, who also explained the reasoning in the summary. Anyway, the last time I kept the "paladin" there and simply added "(hydromancer)" to reflect the fact that while his class is presented as paladin, the abilities are not paladin ones, but they resemble what might be considered a hydromancer. Wouldn't you say that having "Paladin (hydromancer)" would be a good compromise to resolve the edit warring? --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

"File:" in galleries

In my opinion, there is little point in removing "File:" prefixes from galleries since they're just going to get automatically re-added as soon as someone makes a visual edit (which is bound to happen sooner or later on popular articles). Also, this part on MediaWiki makes a good point:

The File: prefix can be omitted. However, it is helpful to include it as an aid for quickly locating image specifiers in the wikitext (for example, when cleaning up page layout).

Since it makes absolutely no difference in how the page looks on the user end, I've personally stopped removing the prefix since it's just extra work for no gain. If anything, removing it can be slightly detrimental to editing, for the reason cited above. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 21:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, I can take it out of my editing process. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 08:40, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Yesterday, I've added this note to Wowpedia:Image guidelines so others can hopefully follow through. If Visual Editor didn't cause this issue, I'd be more inclined to omitting the prefixes out to be honest but for now with some users using VE, it is just more of an hassle trying to clean those up when they happen. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 20:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Non-visible space changes and category reordering edits

Heya. If your edits solely consist of wikitext space changes that have no effect on the resulting display and category reordering, please consider not making them. I generally try to put manually-placed categories in alphabetic order so they're easier to skim through. Is there a reason you're using the order you are? Thanks. --Kaydeethree (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, for consistency of course. As glanced on any other NPC/mob page, the order isn't alphabetical but the race category is always first then, class or service (vendors/flight master), then the faction category, then the zone category. That's how I have been placing it for over a decade now. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 17:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Kirin Tor

Heya, I would have liked to have your opinion for the Kirin tor page, I thought of doing like on the other organization pages, and transform the "Named" members part into a "Notable members" part with a redirection to a paged name List of Kirin tor mages (to avoid throwing away all the work done), because it really takes up a lot of space, and it doesn't is not necessary very useful. What do you think of this? WardsJames (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey, yea the list is huge, so "Notable members" sound good. Since there are those "List of X paladins" pages, so one for Kirin Tor mages should be fine, imo. Go for it! :D --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
I'll take care of it right away!WardsJames (talk) 13:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

An other question, it's about the races in the Kirin tor, I found Human, High elf, Blood elf, Highborne, Night elf, Gnome, Dwarf, Half-elf, Draenei, and Worgen NPCs, it's not a problem. But what about the Orc, Troll, Pandaren, Forsaken, Goblin ? Do you know something about this ? Edit: I mean yes, i know that they are present in the Tirisgarde, but it's an other organization affiliated with the Kirin tor, and not the Kirin Tor itself. Such as the Sunwalkers and Blood Knights that were in the Silver Hand, but not affiliated with the Church of the Holy Light for example. WardsJames (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe these could help:
Jungle trolls
Looking at it, some of them are just vendors and trainers or "regular citizens" tagged with the faction in the game. Also, for the Forsaken, it appears they are just former members (as in they were in the Kirin Tor when they were alive), so I think they shouldn't be listed as current members... Although there's Archmage Pratt so dunno. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 18:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
What do we do in this case? This is the first time that I come across a case like this. For Archmage Prattell... well, i look his page, he was an archmage of the kirin tor, but not anymore. WardsJames (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
So you mean like to differentiate between the races that are Kirin Tor mages and races that are Kirin Tor non-mages?
If so, I guess, one solution could be to include the mage races in the infobox and something like "Other races" which would be a link to a new section on the Kirin Tor page. This section would explain that the in-game faction is applied to non-mages of certain races (maybe even directly explain the technical side of it that certain NPCs are "just" vendors or generic citizens who would better fall into "Dalaran (kingdom)" instead of Kirin Tor and that there are visitors who, lorewise, are not members of the Kirin Tor despite the in-game faction), and it would list those races and maybe even the specific NPCs. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 19:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, I agree. In my opinion, there is a big difference between the agents of the Kirin tor and the civilians who bear the faction title but who have nothing to do with the activities of the latter. WardsJames (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, Kirin Tor is defined pretty well in sources, so pointing out the matter of civilians being tagged should be informative, imo. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 19:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
I agree, they have the Kirin Tor tag for the gameplay with players from both faction, but inlore they are affiliated with the nation of dalaran and not the kirin tor itself as citizens and merchants. (Edit) I wonder, do we really have to create a part to specify the subjects of visitors and merchants? Or putting that in the notes section might be enough?WardsJames (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
The Notes section could be fine too. The idea of the new section was for the link in the infobox, inspired by how Knights of the Silver Hand currently displays and navigates the leaders in the infobox/page. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 20:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Oh ! I see, understood. Now, should i remove the races and explain in the notes section? Or do you want to do it, to be sure there is no problems?
You can. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 20:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Forgot to mention it earlier, but Kirin Tor Invoker / Kirin Tor Invokers appear as orcs and jungle trolls. For the undead, I intersected the wrong category, so there's Intersection:Undead_characters::Kirin_Tor. Of them Old Fillmaff seems to be interesting. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 11:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Heya, I did not know that the invokers also have orcs and trolls, I am surprised :o But since this is only one type of npc, which is also optional in the order hall, should we mention these races on the Kirin Tor page? I mean, I already had the case for the Stormwind army's page where i find a gnome and a worgen, but it was judged good by the other staff to not put their race, because they were not representative on the scale of the army with a single in-game appearance. For Old Fillmaff, it's true that he's interesting, but as he is in the tirisgarde that unites the mages of azeroth, is he mentioned as being or having been from the Kirin tor? This is not to bother, it is that with our research to update the Kirin tor page, we saw that all mages in dalaran are not necessarily from Kirin tor, and even less in the Tirisgarde with Magisters and the others. WardsJames (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, since this is the only appearance of orcs and jungle trolls, they don't need to be included in the infobox list of races. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Understood, now for Old Fillmaff, i was wrong, there is effectively  [Lost Research Notes], where he is mentioned as a member of the Kirin Tor. However, he is not a forsaken, as he came back to dalaran after w3, like nothing happen, and it seems he doesn't know he is dead (funniest sh** i ever seen), same for the other undead still affiliated with the Kirin tor. Should we add their race? If so, as Forsaken or Undead? WardsJames (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Personally, I don't mind either way - include or exclude them from the listing. At first, I was gonna say "Undead", but looking at Dalaran it has "Forsaken", so probably that. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 16:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Wolf's Offensive/Warchief's Order

heya, i have a question--do you remember if A [50] The Wolf's Offensive and H [50] The Warchief's Order were like, for sure confirmed re-added? i can't find any way to get The Wolf's Offensive, and i'm able to pick up B [50] Send the Fleet without it. just want to be sure before i go changing anything. thanks, Eithris (talk) 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Doublecking my wow chat log, I found:
12/1 22:43:14.394 Quest accepted: The Warchief's Order
12/1 22:43:15.346 Nathanos Blightcaller says: Champion, the Dark Lady summons you. The time has come to set her plan into motion.
12/1 22:43:22.087 Nathanos Blightcaller says: Our warships are ready to embark. The key to victory over the Alliance is within our grasp.
12/1 22:43:30.188 Nathanos Blightcaller says: Meet me in Zuldazar, aboard the Banshee's Wail. What we do next... we do for the Horde.
The date, December 1, corresponds with this edit. I did it on an alt, and the preceding quest was N [50] Infusing the Heart.
However, I didn't do A [50] The Wolf's Offensive, and I think I just based it on this revision. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 20:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
hmmm. so either i'm missing something, or for some reason only the horde one got readded. :thinking: okey dokey then, ty! Eithris (talk) 01:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Druid Trial page moves

What's the reason for moving the Alliance and Horde pages into each others' spaces? As near as I can tell, they're all showing the proper versions. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:56, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The quest N Druid [10] Great Bear Spirit has both versions in it, as they have identical texts. So I'm thinking that the same could be applied for the Trial pages. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 22:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh, I missed that it said "Merge" and not "Move." Well, if everything is identical except for having different IDs, I see no reason not to merge them. Go ahead and update and move one, and I can delete the other. I'll kill the redirects in the meantime to make way. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

After a pause and giving a second thought... N Druid [16] Trial of the Lake is identical in text and action the players do so that's looking good, but the N Druid [16] Trial of the Sea Lion quest, although it has identical objectives, description, progress, and completion, the NPCs required to speak to have different text depending on faction, and Alliance go to Westfall and Darkshore while Horde go to Silverpine Forest and the Barrens (to loot the same thing). Does the page look ok to you or would it be better if it was split back to Alliance and Horde pages? --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 08:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Dalaran NPCs affiliations

Hello Morderi, you could see it since yesterday, I take care of making updates on the affiliations and categories of the Kirin Tor NPCs. I would need your advice regarding civilian Dalaran NPCs, indeed they are affiliated with Kirin Tor for reputation gameplay reasons since Wotlk, but inlore they are simply civilians of the kingdom of dalaran, and not official members of the Kirin Tor. It bothers me to leave the Kirin Tor affiliation to them, as it can be confusing, but it also bothers me to just take it out like that, and I'm not sure other editors agree, what should I do ? WardsJames (talk) 11:27, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

???? This is a World of Warcraft encyclopedia, World of Warcraft content shouldn't be ignored just for the sake of neatness. Xporc (talk) 11:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Relax Xporc, I know that this is an encyclopedia and that the information of the game should not be neglected or ignored, that was precisely my question to Morderi, I wished to not withdraw that in favor of the lore because the information of the game are important, on the other hand I found it annoying because it could confuse on the fact that apple sellers could be members of an organization of the greatest mages of Azeroth. You see what i mean x) Now, Morderi has given me a well-constructed answer, instead of just raising shields to my question, and I agree with his reasoning, so I won't touch anything. WardsJames (talk) 11:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Heya, since they are tagged like that in the game, I'd say keep the faction there. With the matter explained in the Notes section, hopefully it is sufficient. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 11:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
I understand the reasoning, thanks for answering me, I was rather bored about it, but indeed it is better to leave it like that, and I hope that the information in the Notes section will be sufficient, like you said! WardsJames (talk) 11:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Kings' Rest mobs

Hey Morderi, mobs in Kings' Rest (and other Heroic-only dungeons) should use bfa-max for their level, since Heroics do not scale and are always max level for their expansion. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


Hello again, is it alright if I ask you something?Spenpiano (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, sure, shoot. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you.

I must have misread that as Noggenfogger being the leader of the Steamwheedle Cartel, so thanks for the reminder that he wasn't. I really appreciate it. --15:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

No worries, that sentence is easy to be misread/misunderstood! --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorcerer

What is the intent on deleting the item N [60] Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorcerer and having the quest there? — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 22:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Three pages in question:
  1. N [60] Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorcerer
  2. [Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorceror (item)]
  3. [Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorceror]

The first page is an incomplete duplicate of the second page. The second page has a typo in name. The third page has a typo in name as well. Looking at Category:Korthian relics, looks like when there's a quest and item with the same name, the item page gets the "name (item)" treatment.

So I'm thinking remove the first one, then move the second page to the correct name and give it consistent treatment -  [Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorcerer] (+ this preserves the editing history of the original and complete page). And move the quest page to [Book of Binding: The Tormented Sorcerer]. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 08:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I've corrected these page names. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Gear vendors

Hey, when you add a table of gear sold by a vendor, can you parse the list first instead of just copying it sight-unseen from Wowhead? Using Valiant Bressia as an example, the table has duplicate entries for every item at different prices--and this is not an uncommon problem when copying from Wowhead, as I've had to correct multiple such tables in the past. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Sure, can try. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 19:25, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Mawsworn and Forsworn

Hi Morderi, my bad for my last edit, i should have mention that, in my opinion, the Forsworn affiliation was effectively wrong as their are themselves affiliated to the Mawsworn, but i don't know if it's usefull to put them in the "members" part, as the main part of the page is the "Type of forces" with the "allies" part where the Forsworn are already mentioned. But if you think it's ok, we can let like this, it's not a problem for me! WardsJames (talk) 19:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Heya, yea the Forsworn being in the affiliation param seemed incorrect, that was a good catch. And the description for the members param is "sub-groups within the faction", so that fits. But now that you pointed out the allied section, maybe it is redundant for it being present and list just one group, when there are actually more. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 19:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The Crossing (W3)

Heya Morderi, about you last modification, i used the recently page made by DeludedTroll (King's Guard (Lordaeron)) for my update. There we can read: "A group of them—led by a paladin—were part of the forces that tried to stop the blood elves and Illidan's Naga from escaping Dalaran". So, i checked the source in question, and effectively, some paladins were present in the troops of Garithos during the chapter The Crossing (WC3_BloodElf)#Forces. So in fact it's a good information for the Silver Hand page, or DeludedTroll and me misunderstand the chapter in question. I'll let you explain if I'm wrong, it will prevent me from making the same mistake later! WardsJames (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I actually read the sentence incorrectly! Reverted. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
No worries, I also usually misread certain sentences, in any case, it's always a pleasure to chat with you! WardsJames (talk) 20:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Likewise! --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 20:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

The Marshals

Heya Morderi, I need your opinion, i was just reading Williden Marshal page, and I saw the "speculation" part regarding his possible brother in Stranglethorn Vale: Livingston Marshal. I read the quests, and the latter also searches for artifacts, it also makes reference to a brother and a sister who told him that he would find nothing there in A [10-30] The Mind's Eye. Is it worth leaving this in speculation? I know we don't link characters together by last name, there can be two families of the same name, but in this case it totally makes sense that they are all three of the same family, with the same name, the same job, and a reference between them. Tell me what you think about it!WardsJames (talk)

Since he says "my brother and sister" it is very likely the case. It is a similar case to Sergeant Major Germaine that mentions "her father". Since they both had the same surname, but not explicitly said the first name, they were put together in the relatives parameter of the infobox. So I think the Marshals should be put together as well based on that quest. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 10:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Understood, i take care of this, thanks for your advices! WardsJames (talk) 10:52, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Np! --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 11:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Item stubs

You don't need to, and probably shouldn't, create every single item page as a stub.  [Vault Emberstone],  [Wafting Koricone], and  [Infused Dendrite] aren't stubs, even if there's theoretically additional information that could be added. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Edit request for Exploring Azeroth: Kalimdor

This section is incorrect.

  • Zekhan says that he "heard" that there were no Horde survivors in the Taurajo attack. This contradicts the game where on the Horde side, while there were dead civilians, players can find civilian survivors in Camp Una'fe and Vendetta Point[1], and where on the Alliance side the civilians were explicitly allowed to leave in order to avoid casualties[2], as well as the Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War novel in which Baine states that no civilians were harmed.

It should be.

  • Zekhan says that he "heard" that there were no Horde survivors in the Taurajo attack. This contradicts the game where on the Horde side, while there were dead civilians, players can find civilian survivors in Camp Una'fe and Vendetta Point[3]. Additionally Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War novel adds a third contradicting account in which Baine states that no civilians were harmed.

As Alliance side questing shows the efforts to let civilians leave were mostly unsuccesful due to choosing criminals from the Stormwind stockades, Wildhammer mercs from Bael'dun and making the only exit through the Bristleback tribe's grounds as shown in quests like H [10-30] Bad to Worse. Gann Stonespire (talk) 20:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't really want to deal with this topic, and the only contribution to it from my part will likely be re-adding the last sentence (which is a bit more context from the book with a reference, and I presume it was removed accidentally) and correction of comma/period placements.
You also have two other active discussions, so maybe wait for their responses and try to get to some reasonable conclusion there, before changing other pages. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 21:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


Fixing item data


I saw that you changed a few things around regarding my updates to the stats of items sold by G'eras. In truth I hope to make a project of updating information for all items to current stats, but before I even think about doing that, I figured I should reach out and settle the issue of formatting. I did not want to change the sections as they were (i.e., removing the "Source" section and merging it with the rest of the article; see changes to  [Faceguard of Determination] for an example). Personally I think the Source section ought to be kept as it was, but I also understand that I am not in charge of the wiki or formatting rules; to me, it simply looks more uniform.

There has also been a change regarding the text "Stats and cost squished" to "Level squished." Is this the preferred terminology? I would prefer that I be uniform in this going forward, and I have no desire to create work for anyone else.

In addition, I have noticed that I have made a small error regarding "Stamina/Intellect" on a few of the pages I have edited thus far. I will be going back and revising those appropriately.

Before I proceed any further on updating the stats and these pages, is there anything else you think I should know regarding how to format them? Thanks in advance for this information. (If you would prefer to update this yourself and don't want me meddling with it, that is also understandable, of course. It is a titanic project and the last thing I would want to do is impede progress toward a more accurate wiki.)

StrangeStatue (talk) 20:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

For the text of the squish, there were three different squishes, and while each one had similar effects, we generally try to keep the text specific to what was, overall, squished. Specifically, 6.0.2 was a stat squish, 8.0.1 was an item level squish, and 9.0.1 was a level squish. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I was mostly focusing on odd line breaks and spaces caused by the editor. AFAIK, pages should start with a sentence and not a section (header), so it mostly falls to eliminating the Source header in item pages, which became a habit of mine and of some others. Some kind of an introductory sentence, and then the Source header below it is also fine, I guess. I have no strong opinion on stats, and all I know is that it is a mess with scaling :-D --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 20:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I have been looking at stats in-game whenever possible and comparing them to those from Wowhead. Scaling and other issues have made this tricky, I agree. I'm honestly not sure what the right answer is when it comes to items bought from a vendor; at least with those obtained from dungeons and raids I can simply look at the gear in the Loot tab. Thank you for your patience regarding all of this. I will do my best not to make any mistakes in future, and I appreciate your counsel. I have been trying to add introductory sentences as you mentioned, which mentions the item's armor class (plate, leather, etc) and where it is worn (helm, etc). I figured this should be enough. I don't pretend that I'll be able to change every item page-- at least not very quickly, anyways. But I want to contribute what I can. This game has been good to me. Thanks again, and if you have any more advice, don't hesitate to drop me a line. StrangeStatue (talk) 03:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Another question

Hello again. Writing in regard to the  [Hyper-Compressed Ocean] page. I've been using mine for a while and have caught a few interesting things (which I've added). I also put that some mounts (Great Sea Ray, Riding Turtle and Sea Turtle, specifically) have a very rare chance to be caught; however, only one of the links I added looks properly "purple." Was wondering if this was something I had to enable manually and somehow went one for three on doing it, or if it should be automatic? Thanks in advance.

StrangeStatue (talk) 15:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Suraf explained it here, so simply [[Sea Turtle (mount)]] (resulting in  [Sea Turtle]) for item pages is ok. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Removed from DF Alpha?

Given that the Ohn'ahran Plains aren't even open yet, what is your source for these quests having already been removed? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Based on the "Removed" word in the name in Wowhead. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 07:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)