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Welcome! PeterWind (talk) 10:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Sea hags

Hey Ryon, was sea hags confirmed as in BFA? Or is this based off the concept art they had? Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 17:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Now that you mention it I don't think they are confirmed. Blizzard refers to them as Witches on some of the videos. User:Ryon21 19:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

No doubt they'll end up as sea hags, but until we get some confirmation I'll go ahead an revert the change and save it for later. Thank you for the quick response. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:16, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Writing style

Hey, thanks for all your updates lately, but could you please put some line breaks when using templates? So that way we can avoid doing things like this. Xporc (talk) 12:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Yep I'll try. I'm new and I don't know yet how to make this things properly but I'll learn. Thanks for the advice. Ryon21 (talk) 15:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
No problem, you're doing good :) Don't hesitate to keep track of the articles you edit, and to watch how people come and edit them after you! Xporc (talk) 14:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I will. Thanks!. Ryon21 (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


Hey, I just wanted to tell you that those updates u made to the racial infoboxes are nice. I like 'em! --Mordecay (talk) 11:53, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, your work since you arrived is appreciated. However I would also appreciate if you stopped linking Dark Shaman (the organization) when speaking about Dark shaman the class, and added the proper licensing to pictures you upload :D Xporc (talk) 12:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it! About the dark shaman I didn't know about the organization so thanks for the warning and I'll try to add the license too. Also I was wondering that some of the infoboxes seem different than the majority, for example the Nightborne if you try to put the "fleader" it won't show like other pages. It's a different kind of infobox or something? Ryon21 (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, these are different types - Template:Infobox faction and Template:Infobox race. Maybe xporc could do something about the fleader in the race infobox? --Mordecay (talk) 13:40, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Well now I'd prefer if the links were to the "lore" pages instead of the game versions. --Mordecay (talk) 14:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I also thought about that but then all links would go to the same page so I thought maybe that they went to their game versions. If you want I can change it no problem. Ryon21 (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, this is a racial page, there's no need to add every single RTS unit ever made to the infobox ... Xporc (talk) 21:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I think the race link templates should be removed from lore pages, not added. What's the point of adding a template on a page when there's already a special page about the playable race? Xporc (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Then why all racial lore pages have that? --Mordecay (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
because these are old pages. Xporc (talk) 23:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
I just did because all the other pages had it. Then all erease it asp ;) Ryon21 (talk) 00:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks my man! You guys are free to disagree and discuss it, of course ... Xporc (talk) 23:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
I mean I'm the new guy here so you're the bosses then your word goes first. About the infobx maybe we could create a template like the playable races but for the lore section only. Ryon21 (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Eeh it's not a matter of age, if you feel strongly about something don't hesitate about saying it. As we said earlier, your edits are appreciated and I personally want to encourage that. I was in a bit of a foul mood yesterday so I apologize for being a bit rude, you were only really trying to stick to the current rules. Xporc (talk) 09:30, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Haha no problem! I'll be editing and trying to improve so everything is good. Also I wanted to ask, if I want to create a page for example Theramore (Kingdom) or change a name of a page there is someway to do it or you are the only ones that can? Ryon21 (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

If you want to rename an existing page, you have to move it. You have a choice to leave a redirect from the old name to the new one, so that way the page can be reached through both URLs. If you want to create a new page, the easiest way is to create a link to the name you want to use (ex: Theramore (kingdom)), which will appear in red because no page currently exists at that name, to click on the red link to reach the url. You then only have to write your text and save the page and it'll be created. Xporc (talk) 14:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Not now but in time I will make some changes then ;) Now I see how challenging this can be. Ryon21 (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey, I'm back on pictures again! Thanks for thinking about licensing pictures you upload now, but you always use the same {{c-blizz}} license that should be used for pictures from the official site. For pictures of the new embassies, for example, it'd be better to use the license for zone pictures. For a list of the licences, please take a look at Special:Upload and see what's available at "Licensing:". Xporc (talk) 10:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I will ;) Ryon21 (talk) 15:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
So you applying the right tag to File:Eye of Azshara 1.jpg, thank you for being a fast learner :D Xporc (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Haha no problem. But still there a lot of things to learn. Thanks by the way! Ryon21 (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

FYI, when you add en empty section, like for example the "world of warcraft" history of Shadowforge city, please use {{stub-section}} alongside it. Xporc (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Per WP:STUB, please do not add empty sections, even with the tag. --PcjWowpedia admin (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 23:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, this, then. Please add at least a few word. Xporc (talk) 00:05, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Understood. No problem. --Ryon21 (talk) 01:14, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Broken refs

Hey there! You probably didn't notice, but when creating the man'ari article, you broke some references by removing text with the original reference, but left text that was still referencing that original reference. If you scroll down to the Eredar_(demonic)#References references this is why some refs are red and with the text "Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named ...". Also, as you may have noticed already, the article was moved by another admin. If you wonder why, I suggest reading Talk:Eredar#Eredar_page_move, and sharing your opinion. Xporc (talk) 08:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Yep I left an answer in the eredar talk. About the references I tried to erase them but when I edited the page I didn't know how do it so I left it. You know how could I be able to edit any references? Ryon21 (talk) 15:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, let's take an example. In the "History" section there is the following line of code: The man'ari, now the most stalwart enemy of the draenei, comprise the commanders and strategists of the Burning Legion.<ref name="Bestiary"/>. However, when we look at the page itself, it results in Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named Bestiary. What this means is that, somewhere on the eredar page, there is a reference called "Bestiary", which is missing from the man'ari page.
If we go take a look at the eredar page, still in the "History" section, we can find the following line of code: <ref name="Bestiary">[[The Burning Crusade Townhall/The Burning Crusade Bestiary|The Burning Crusade Bestiary]] - [[The Burning Crusade Townhall/The Burning Crusade Bestiary#Eredar|Eredar]]</ref>. This is our missing reference.
Usually in this case, you copypaste the complete reference over your incomplete "<ref name="Bestiary"/>" own. Do you understand? Xporc (talk) 15:55, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Yep more or less. I think I can figure it out. Thanks! Ryon21 (talk) 18:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Heya! Another hint: when you add a new reference to a page, make sure that there is a {{reflist}} at the end of it. On Direhorn Post you added refs but no reflist, so the references are a bit broken. Xporc (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah now I realize I had forgot to do it... What a head I have. Thanks for adding them. Ryon21 (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Moving pages

Please use the move page option instead of manually copying and pasting as the move page functionality preserves the revision history. --PcjWowpedia admin (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 18:50, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot that option. I will use it from now on. Thanks for the warning. Ryon21 (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


Hey, I think that the pages about family houses shouldn't have names like House X and House of X unless there is a source for those terms. Are there sources for the Menethil, Greymane and Perenolde houses? --Mordecay (talk) 11:23, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

You are right about it then we change it to only the name no? About sources, I don't really know but maybe Menethil and Greymane have some kind of source somewhere since they are big houses but no idea. --Ryon21 (talk) 14:27, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I've thought that maybe we can use for example Perenolde family instead of Perenolde only? At least we know for sure it is the name of a family. I hope. Ryon21 (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Dungeon move

Heya. For the Black Temple, I suggest not moving anything until every Eye of Azshara link has been properly updated. Everything in Category:Eye of Azshara items and Category:Eye of Azshara mobs are still linking to it instead of Eye of Azshara, for example. Also, for such major moves, maybe add a {{Move}}template to the page and let people discuss it for a few days before moving anything? Xporc (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

I will change some of the links then. About the temple there is a discussion in the Temple of Karabor page so I added the move for more people to see. Ryon21 (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey man. Just for your information, I forgot to tell you earlier, but for this kind of repetitive work you can put a request for a bot to be used. It's at Wowpedia:Bot_requests. You can see that for example I did something similar earlier for Gnomeregan, with the "Following the Gnomeregan split, for the following categories, could you please update Gnomeregan to Gnomeregan ....." request. Xporc (talk) 22:58, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. I'll will use it then someday, but since I'm about to finish I'll do this at least manually ;) Ryon21 (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

About the bot request, I have a question. If I say, for example, update [[Thrall]] to [[Green Jesus]], will all the Thralls be updated to the other one? How can I make it so that not all will be updated? Ryon21 (talk) 07:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

The problem with this is that if you were to update [[Eye of Azshara (zone)|Eye of Azshara]] to [[Eye of Azshara]] now without first updating the current [[Eye of Azshara]] to the new instance one: [[Eye of Azshara (instance)|Eye of Azshara]], we'd have to manually fix everything. But then again, some links like [[Eye of Azshara]] might be correct since the move. This is the whole deal with the Dragon Soul discussion. Very confusing but can be simple. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 08:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, one has to be very careful when requesting a bot request. This is why I usually add more "filter" categories, like [[Category:Gnomeregan items]], [[Category:Gnomeregan mobs]], [[Category:Gnomeregan NPCs]], because you are 100% sure that the links of pages inside those categories are related to the instance and not the lore of the place. Xporc (talk) 08:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for answering. Then I'll be careful when I make a bot request. Ryon21 (talk) 15:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

FYI, there are still many pages pointing to the wrong thing for the Eye of Azshara. I fixed some, take a look at my contributions. Moving a zone/dungeon is always a long and complex work, which is why we try to not make too much at once :D Xporc (talk) 16:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I see why. Next time I'll take my time to move a page haha. I'll be helping with the links then. Ryon21 (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
You can find through Special:WhatLinksHere/Eye of Azshara. Xporc (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok thanks. Also, another one I've seen we could change, someday in the far far future is Ramkahen and Ramkahen (faction). Maybe there aren't many links to those but no hurries. First Azshara and everything else. Ryon21 (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, take it easy, there is plenty of time, it's better to take your time with such moves. I personally regret having moved Gilneas, Kul Tiras and Gnomeregan so hastily, right during the servers were bugged ... Xporc (talk) 17:02, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Well after 7.3.5 we'll have time to finish everything until BfA arrives. In the meantime I'll be helping with what I can and improve some pages too. Ryon21 (talk) 17:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Hey Ryon21! It's always nice to see more editors helping out with screenshots. A few general guidelines we usually go by for ingame screenshots is that .jpg is prefered over .png due to the smaller file size. It is also prefered that UI (such as selection markers and names) be kept out of screenshots. If possible, the NPC/mob in question should be alone in the picture with the entire model visible. There are cases where this is not always possible, but those are the basic ideals to follow :) PeterWind (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Yep I read the other day about the UI not showing I'll keep it in mind next time uploading an npc image. About the jpg over png I will try to do it. Thanks for the tips. :) --Ryon21 (talk) 15:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Speaking of this, I've added a section to WP:IMG about programs that could help taking screenshots easier so you don't need to crop the image after taking the screenshot. — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 02:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Interesting. I'll definitely use it. Thanks. :) --Ryon21 (talk) 02:09, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hey! Just as a quick note, the common practice, in most cases, is to just add the speedydelete tag at the top without touching the content itself. Makes it easier for the admins and other interested parties to judge the reason for the deletion :) PeterWind (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Next time I won't erase the content. Thanks for the tip ;) --Ryon21 (talk) 23:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


Hello there! Hey, have you ever considered joining our Slack channel? Mostly everyone is there. Xporc (talk) 14:05, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, why not. I'll have a look at it. --Ryon21 (talk) 14:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Crypt (Light's Hope Chapel)

Yes, it is a subzone. --Mordecay (talk) 00:23, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Mordy! --Ryon21 (talk) 00:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


Hey, since u are so good at cleaning infoboxes, could you, when you have time (no hurry), take a look at the infobox of this and create a nicer one? It's currently a copy of a Warcraft III mission, but it needs to be focused more on lore rather than on W3 aspects. Thx! --Mordecay (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Gladly I would. When you are done with any move and changes to the page, I'll do it ;) --Ryon21 (talk) 22:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay! I will not be much active on the page in the coming weeks so if u would feel like it, you can change it during them. Or once the page is done. As u wish :-) --Mordecay (talk) 22:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay, no hurries take your time ;D --Ryon21 (talk) 22:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Old Dalaran pic

That is nearly identical to what the previous ones were showing, just a whole lot better in terms of quality. Nice! — SurafbrovWowpedia administrator T / C 15:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Hahaha yeah, the things one can find in Google. I think it may be a fanpic because of the small differences but better this one :D --Ryon21 (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


There are not many pages for wfu areas, so I guess it makes sense to have them in main universe pages for the time being. Karazhan has no image from wfu as there's Karazhan. So I guess the reasoning is if there's a page for a wfu location like Stormwind city there probably isn't a need for wfu content to be there. Mordecay (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Some images would be okay just to compare maybe. I mean, there is no harm in having them down in the gallery. --Ryon21 (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Shattrath image

When updating File:Shattrath City on Draenor.jpg, you screenshot'd the wrong dome.--SWM2448 00:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I see it now. Thanks for noticing it! --Ryon21 (talk) 06:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


Hey, good idea including the not displayed areas on the templates, but take for example Darrowmere River. Its categories now include Category:Hillsbrad Foothills subzones Category:Western Plaguelands subzones, Category:Hillsbrad Foothills Category:Western Plaguelands. I don't think the subzones category should be there as the point of the not displayed areas is to show that they are actually not displayed as subzones (Category:Hillsbrad Foothills subzones), but named so just in lore (which would be encompassed in the Category:Hillsbrad Foothills). The solution would be to add "doc=" to {{Hillsbrad Foothills}} resulting in {Hillsbrad Foothills|doc=}, In order for it to function the {{Hillsbrad Foothills}} template (and some other) needs to be edited to include the "doc=" function there which would thus erase the subzones category in the pages. It is actually available in several zone templates already, see {{Eastern Plaguelands}} at the bottom of the code. Here's an example of what would happen Thoughts? --Mordecay (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

It is not a problem so I could do it. It'll take sometime though. --Ryon21 (talk) 17:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
I've done Tirisfal and the subzone category doesn't go away so I guess it is one of the templates that doesn't have that feature. --Ryon21 (talk) 17:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
No worries, I know how to make it work now :D --Ryon21 (talk) 17:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


Hey, are there more pictures of this? Like, for example, of the side that has Teldrassil and Lordaeron on it? --Mordecay (talk) 11:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

MMWQ has more of them. He showed some in the slack channel. --Ryon21 (talk) 13:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah we'll upload them on the Blizzard Museum page, there's already 4 of them in the BFA section. I'm not sure I have the other side of the Blood War wall. -- MyMindWontQuiet 14:35, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


Heya, since this is from beta, do you know the name of the mob of this? --Mordecay (talk) 00:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

No idea. Can't remember. Maybe it was replaced or something. :shrugh: --Ryon21 (talk) 01:05, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


What does doing this do instead of doing it without the code? --Mordecay (talk) 22:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Huh, good question. I think it does nothing. Apart from creating two columns when you add a "|". Since I used it in the other sections I simply reused it in the rest, but if removed, nothing will change. --Ryon21 (talk) 22:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought you forgot to add the "|" to have two columns, or something :D --Mordecay (talk) 22:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
On those I thought there was no need to add that since there are only a few locations. It makes you think how many less zones there are in Kalimdor than the EK. --Ryon21 (talk) 22:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Barrens & Darkshore

Rollbacked so couldn't tell, but I just went there, and it shows the Merchant Coast subzone of the Northern Barrens zone when on or very near the ship. --Mordecay (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh, but the ship is to the east of Northwatch which is in the Southern Barrens, and the quest is also from the SB. But if the subzone is there then nothing. Blizzconsistency strikes again :/ --Ryon21 (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Yep, the switch between the SB and NB happens somewhere in the middle of between the ship and the Alliance camp on the coast.
Also, you said "since the Moonspray appears in the Alliance version" but I added the Moonspray back because it's in the overworld. From what I could see on several obscure-recorded videos (beginning is cut) the Moonspray is not in the warfront version. Horde beginning, no ship name, same with Alliance. --Mordecay (talk) 22:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh, the Alliance intro is different. Before they used the ship to get there. Also, to be clear, when you say overworld do you mean the part of the Night Warrior quests, or when one of the two factions controls the overworld Darkshore after winning a warfront? --Ryon21 (talk) 22:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
One of the two factions controls the overworld Darkshore after winning a warfront. I've seen only the Alliance control, not the Horde one, so the Horde ship could, probably, be there. Or it could be in the Horde intro version. Dunno, tho. --Mordecay (talk) 23:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Did you meant to link two videos of the Horde version? The one you labeled as Alliance is definitely Horde. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Lul! --Mordecay (talk) 23:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay, then we'll confirm it once the zone affiliation is changed. :bongo: --Ryon21 (talk) 00:17, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Exiling From ThunderBluff

Page 25, "Those who disagreed with Baine's decision or chose to fight the Alliance were expelled from Thunder Bluff," direct quote from Tides of War. Baine exiled a lot of tauren with that decision as its mentioned he exiled all those defending the barrens at Vendetta point. I'll note Bain's actions in the novel go against H [15-30] Blood Oath of the Horde, which directly states the right to retribution is a right to all members of the Horde. Gann Stonespire (talk) 23:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Dark Ranger Elite

I'm not sure I understand the comment. Dark Ranger Elites appear only in Gilneas City of the starting experience, and not in any other part of Gilneas. Gilneas City is treated as a zone with the squares as subzones, so Dark Ranger Elite should have Category:Gilneas City mobs, no? --Mordecay (talk) 16:40, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

What I mean is the first part of the starting expirince (the worgen attack) happens in a phased Gilneas City, like Bilgewater Port. Then it moves to the rest of a phased Gilneas peninsula that also includes a Gilneas City but is part of the overall peninsula.
Basically, all NPCs and Mobs in the worgen attack should be tagged as Gilneas City NPCs/Mobs as it happens in a phased Gilneas City, while everything else from Duskhaven onward (including the Battle for Gilneas City) should be tagged as Gilneas NPCs/Mobs because it happens in phased Gilneas peninsula that includes a Gilneas City that is part of that phased peninsula as we can find mobs and NPCs moving around the city and its surroundings like the critters in Undertaker's Pass, or the Forsaken catapults attacking the city. --Ryon21 (talk) 16:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
While it is true that there's phasing involved, Gilneas City is still considered a zone in Gilneas post the first worgen attack (like Orgrimmar in Durotar) according to the final quests in the city. You can see it on the minimap, the name in the middle of the screen, and the chat channels which all denote it being a zone. As such, the NPCs and mobs should be divided into Gilneas City and Gilneas categories. If they are moving in both, like the critters or beasts, they should have both categories. You have Forsaken Marksman in Orgrimmar and Durotar categories because they first spawn in Orgrimmar and move to Durotar then. --Mordecay (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I see. Then I agree so I'll be undoing my edits. --Ryon21 (talk) 17:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


It should be noted the current intro to the Twinbraid page by Xporc is incorrect. The new intro section it claims tauren disrupted the dwarves dig. Both Gann's testimony and  [Khazgorm's Journal] say the dwarves immediately kicked the tauren, did "Disruptive work" that hurt the "Comfort of the local inhabitants" and that the tauren merely were a minor nuisance to the dwarves, as opposed to the tauren actively attacking as the new intro claims. Gann Stonespire (talk) 14:03, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Gann himself says "Many innocent tauren lost their lives or were forced off their ancestral birthplace when the dwarves of Bael Modan arrived.!" in Gann's_Reclamation_(quest), so your edit to the Stonespire tribe is incorrect. Three NPCs doesn't mean the tribe isn't loss as is said in the game. Gann Stonespire (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
I've changed the words so it is more neutral. Your point of view is too favorable for the tauren and some of the things are not said in the quests. --Ryon21 (talk) 15:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Your version isn't neutral, my version is entirely accurate to even Khazgorm's account which also paints the Dwarves as the aggressors. Until you have a contradiction, your edit can't say Gann is the only claimant that the Stonespire tribe is lost. Gann Stonespire (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, about Gann I can, because he is the only one claimant that says that so you are in the wrong here. And I didn't say he was lying, I just said he was the only one who said it, so it is best to mention the person who said that. If he was the sole survivor I would be okay with it, but there are more Stonespires spread out there. There is something called flavor lore for this cases. Also, I already noted the innocent tauren in the page I just changed it to another place. About the dwarves, of course they are the aggressors, they drove the tauren out. But that was already done, so the military was there to defend their excavation site not go after the tauren. And as I said before, we don't know how the diplomatic resolution went. You can't say the dwarves rejected it when that is not stated anywhere. --Ryon21 (talk) 16:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Nothing says the Stonespire tribe is around and one of the few NPCs related to them says they are and more. Plenty of articles here use lines from questgivers as fact, the general rule being its considered correct unless contradicted. There are only two Stonespire's out there including his brother and not absolutely everyone needs to be killed for something to be considered lost, if 150 out of the 160 tribe were killed, they would still be considered lost given most of it is still gone. Look at the Drakkari Empire for example. Simply saying the tribe is considered lost, then citing the quest, which is the version you keep removing, is the best way to put it. Khazgorm also doesn't say defend either nor does his journal paint to Bael'dun feeling threatened in anyway, he requests the military to get rid of the natives and for the sake of politics(IE: future attacks on the Horde). Gann Stonespire (talk) 16:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
When NPC lines are used, it may be a fact that the NPC said that very line, and the line they said can indeed be used as a source. That is not to say that NPC lines become inherent gospel automatically. PeterWind (talk) 18:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
True, however the current write up says they "are considered a lost tribe" in universe, which works as there is nothing to doubt it in the story. Gann Stonespire (talk) 18:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Building speculation

The Barracks is used by Dalaran, the Kul Tiras/Gilneas/Stromgarde Brigades, and Kael's blood elves, but all of them obviously are not from the Kingdom of Lordaeron just because of the banners on the Barracks model. And various creeps are obviously not from Gilneas just because they use tents. The Pig Farms are obviously just a scrapped building being used in some way for the campaign, just like several units, and I don't think we should read into it more than that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShadowShade81413 (talk · contr).

In that case I have no problem deleting it. I simply didn't exactly know why you erase them. --Ryon21 (talk) 13:16, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Gallywix question on Banshee loyalists edit

When it comes to Gallywix Thrall mentioned to Gazlowe that he fled Orgrimmar along with the rest of Sylvanas' inner circle, which gives the impression he's with her. However nothing directly states this. All we definitely know is by the Horde Council formed, Gallywix had already left the Horde and the Bilgewater Cartel for his own reasons.--X59 (talk) 21:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess we'll see in the future :/ --Ryon21 (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Yep. Personally I expect him to reemerge as the new leader of the Venture Company.--X59 (talk)
Who knows. I think it will be something darker, though not tied with Sylvanas. --Ryon21 (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Darker in what way? Like do you see Gallywix unknowingly awakening some dark horror or something?--X59 (talk)
No. I meant, darker in the way he has always been. Someone who profits from people as resources. Maybe enslaving the whole Undermine and making himself king of Kezan (which would be above Trade Princes, maybe entitling himself Trade King), while making all goblins on the island his slaves. If we ever get Kezan as a proper zone, I can see the Undermine being an instance and Gally its boss. And now that I think about it. There was something underneath Kezan (which I can't seem to find), and it would make a nice pet for him. The story was about a mine in Kezan where they unearthed a dangerous creature. And a goblin scarified itself by blowing up the cave to keep it down there I think. --Ryon21 (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
This one? --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 21:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Ah. That scenario makes sense and would be neat to play.--X59 (talk) 22:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Twinbraid's attacks on civilians

We are shown this throughout his appearances in WoW, even in Cataclysm, he kills everyone at Frazzlecraz Motherlode in response to the death of his soldier son who even gave quests to kill tauren. GannStonespire (talk) 19:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)