That's some mother. What does she do? Collect computers? BobNamataki (talk) 11:17, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I think she took the first one back because she bought it with her money before giving it to her son. So, by her logic, a gift she gives still belongs to her. Her taking back the friend's new computer was probably just spite.
IconSmall BloodElf Male.gifIconSmall Rogue.gif Sebreth (talk) 20:47, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Distribution of roles in Warsong Gulch

Hello Sebreth Please forgive me but I have to remove your contribution to "Distribution of roles in Warsong Gulch". 1. My idea was to make an example of a team composition and with your contribution the team would exist of 11 players instead of 10. 2. No rogue could combine all these nice talents, because the available talent points are limited to 71. I'd propose this talent tree for a fc rogue: [1] Many things will change with Cataclysm and I hope that articles such as this one will become interesting with a competitive battleground system. On the other hand I want to surprise my opponents and not be copied, hence I'll keep my ideas secret from everyone but a few insiders and won't update this article anymore. Jelinda

First of all, sign your posts. Second of all, You posted this under the Computers section. You should make your own section. Third of all, I was merely showing just how awesome rogues can be at flag carrying. I'm aware that rogues won't get all the talents there. Even with 0 talents, a rogue can run the flag extremely well. When they put a few points into some of the talents I listed, they're pretty much the second best class for it. Fourth of all, if you didn't want your article to be updated, you should've put it on your user namespace. This is a wiki. Anyone can edit it.
IconSmall BloodElf Male.gifIconSmall Rogue.gif Sebreth (talk) 19:02, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Race capitalization

WP:WRITE: Following Blizzard's recent developments on writing style, race names ("humans", "elves", "dwarves", etc) are now written in lower case in WoWWiki.

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non-trivia about the Green Yonder

Were it anyone but you retracting the paragraph, I'd have said "let it stand to disprove the thought". Proving that something isn't so has its own uses. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:05, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Just a Friendly Reminder

I made a poll on Talk:Guide to bank alts that requested Deletion. However, due to some edits to the page, the poll has been voided and I started another one. Just a little reminder since you were one of the people that voted. If you still feel that you want the page removed feel free to submit you're vote along with me! TeeSon5 (talk) 21:09, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing the picture of Liam Greymane. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lerlian (talk · contr).


How do I make my page look like yours? I just joined and am new to this. --Lerlian (talk) 06:04, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Picture Help.

I have a picture and everything and I put it on my User Page, but It looks retarded and everything, could you edit it so it could look like yours? --Lerlian (talk) 06:50, November 29, 2009 (UTC)


I did crop it with Photobucket, but when I uploaded it, it turned out like that. Not sure how to get it the right size and how to get an up close. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lerlian (talk · contr).

Thanks ALOT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lerlian (talk · contr).


May I know why you deleted the glyphs stuff without any explanation? The article is out of date, the info are out of date, many glyphs have never been added, and the class specific pages are not only out of date, but also useless. Cityhunter0505 - Etsuko (talk) 22:47, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Because you put death knight glyphs for every single class. If you were working on it, the proper thing to do would be use a sandbox until it's finished, then copy and paste it into the actual article. -- IconSmall BloodElf Male2.gifIconSmall Rogue.gif Sebreth (talk) 04:00, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
I'm obviously still working on updating the page. Don't delete things without any explanation in the future, thank you. Cityhunter0505 - Etsuko (talk) 04:04, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Then you should be working on it on a sandbox page and wait till you're done to post it on the actual page. -- IconSmall BloodElf Male2.gifIconSmall Rogue.gif Sebreth (talk) 04:21, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


Please refrain from adding parent categories to articles. Example: Category:Blood elves is a parent of Blood elf quest givers. If the Blood elf quest givers category is there you should not be adding the Blood elves category. For more info see WP:CAT. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:27, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Undead vs Forsaken

Hey, I just read your change to choosing a race. I agree with you that it should be undead but the 'Race' in the Race template is forsaken even when you say undead: UndeadUndead Undead. It isn't particularly consistent with TrollTroll Troll which would be darkspear trolls. Also note that undead is the race's name in WoW, forsaken is mentioned in the character creation race information pane.

Do you know of some sort of voting mechanism we could use to change this? IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 22:46, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

I believe admins are the only users who can edit a template, and I doubt they'd do it. It's kinda a minor change, after all. -- IconSmall BloodElf Male2.gifIconSmall Rogue.gif Sebreth (talk) 22:32, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
A new vote could be done to decide how to handle it. It basically comes down to what people are used to, and personal preference. Most often times unless an undead creature is something specific like a ghoul, it will be called Scourge or Forsaken. That serves one of three things... easy identification for users, less bulky categories, and game play reasons (most often times a Forsaken is marked as Humanoid), so to mark something as Forsaken means they can be feared. Where marking it Scourge means they can be shackled or turned. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:39, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
I notice that the 2 race pages are Forsaken and Undead (playable), and that the forsaken template points at undead (playable). I think that the UndeadUndead Undead template should have the text "Undead". Seeing as the race is referred to in WoW as Undead in all but flavor text, makes way more sense to me to have it that way. Also for the sake of consistency. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 22:46, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Strat-holme or Strath-holme

Hello dear friend, I saw your edit about how to pronounce the name of the city of Stratholme in the article Stratholme. I am afraid that Stratholme is pronounced as Strat-holme in World of Warcraft, not Strath-holme, and we all know this. I asked over 10 players, all of them pronounce it Strat-holme. Even the Scourge's fortress, is pronounced Scourge-holme. --SilentResi (talk) 11:58, January 1, 2010 (UTC) Strat Live and Strat Undead, Scarlet Strat and Strat UD, Strat...

Source, please. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 12:12, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
I always thought it was pronounced Strath-holme by Arthas in both WC3 and WoW... I'm going to check now. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 12:54, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
I don't actually have a profile on wc3 to check, so I won't change it back to what I think it is. Someone should check Warcraft 3 because that will put an abrupt end to this discussion. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 13:08, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
I am confused now. The Danish people call it Strat-holme with a heavy "T", the Greeks call it Strat-holmi with a "T" separated from "H" and go on. I think the actual name should be "Strat-holme" as 1) The first half of the name is Strat and with that we call the instance in WoW. For example "LFG CoT Strat Heroic". None said Strath here. So its not Strath. Nonce can recognize Stratholme as Strath, but we can recognize it if some one tells us Strat. Also, other places in WoW and in real life like Scourgeholme in Icecrown (Scourge-holme) and Stockholme (Stock-holme) in Europe confirm the fact that the second half of those names, the "HOLME" is indeed, its own part. Some players may listen Arthas calling it Strath-holme but as long as the name is not written as Strathholme (with 2 "h"), its not really pronounced as Strath-holme, is just Arthas' voice. I hear lots of people having their unique pronouncions about places and regions, despite the general one. The English people tend to confuse the t and h, as th if they are just put together in a name, unlike the people of other languages. And, Sebreth, the source is the game itself. Go to a server, the players dont call it Strath, they call it Strat... Its obvious how its called. --SilentResi (talk) 15:48, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what the players call it, Strat is easier to say then Strath. Speaking of which all the people I know pronounce it as 'Strath'. Someone needs to check the in-game voices or a blizzard employee saying it. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 22:14, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Until someone can prove that it's Strat-holme in-game, it's staying to its Warcraft 3 pronunciation, Strath-holme. It does NOT matter how players pronounce it, nor will it ever matter. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 05:24, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

And if someone wishes me to prove that Stratholme is pronounced Strath-holme in Warcraft 3, and I know it'll be brought up, watch. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 05:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
I knew it :) I couldn't find a youtube video when I looked. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 05:44, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Which version of the game are you using, guys? I can't accept this. In all the Wikis, the pronunciations followed each name must be given to the international English, followed by the rules of the Pronunciation Guide for all the words and symbols we use for them. An example is Wikipedia. The United Kingdom's local English as in your video uses different pronunciation for those names and thus, it can not be accepted as the official one for all the countries in Europe and the USA. The UK's version of English was not the default standard language.

This language does not reflects how this name is pronounced in the majority of all other languages. The game has been developed in USA before it releases to other regions of the world. Blizzard Entertainment (Developer of the game, with heartquarters in North America) publishes the original version to USA and Canada while Sierra Entertainment (publisher of the game in Europe) releases in in more languages in European version, which has local varieties. In all the games so far, the original pronunciation comes first and before the UK's English language, despite how many people speak it. We have 2 options here: 1) Or to use the international pronunciation for this name or 2) to remove pronunciation completely from the article for Stratholme. Otherwise, if we keep the UK English pronunciation, then, we have also to add the pronunciation in USA English, Swedish, Dutch, French, Greek, Italian, German and Spanish languages as well. --ZegersKevin (talk) 14:36, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Guys, each player is free to pronounce the name Stratholme in any language as he wants, including their idiomatic pronunciation. However, we should keep there only the standard pronunciation for this name. I am a tactical user in WoWWiki for so many years now and I never seen so persistent players with matters like this one. --SilentResi (talk) 14:56, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well I come from Australia so I'm guessing mine would be the Australian version, however the user who made the linked youtube video comes from United States which is pretty solid evidence that it is pronounced "strath-" in my opinion. Also I would highly doubt they had different voice acting for the US and AUS versions. Until you find some video evidence to show us that the city is pronounced like that, I say it stays as it is, with the newly added reference. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 22:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you, Tyriar. I will try get a video of it and post a link. Never uploaded myself a video to internet, however I will try upload it to youtube. However, I think (and with the evidence proven with the video I will try get) is better to remove completely pronunciations for places and NPC names for a multi-language game like World of Warcraft, in the example of Wikipedia. Lets leave this task to the players themselves. By the way, I can say that I feel that my game and my language is ambushed if we keep only 1 language's pronunciation for the name of a city, in a game which is multi-language without allowing pronunciations from other languages. If you think its called Strath-holme, then this shouldn't override the pronunciation I have already posted first. If a player has a different pronunciation for Stratholme (in this case Sebreth), he should add it next to the one we have already added to the article, separating the 2 pronunciations with a ",", instead of completely removing / editing the existing pronunciation the other players posted (in this case me). --SilentResi (talk) 00:29, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I made an edit to the article. The pronunciation remains as "Strath-holme" as you have a video-evidence for it. Using the Wikipedia's pronunciation guide, the "Strath-holme" with pronunciation symbols is something like: ˈstrathːhɔlm (Evidence: Sebreth's video). EDIT: For those who dont know what a pronunciation guide's symbols are, just google it. Its very cool to learn it as the symbols give you an image of how much strength a letter may have or how long another letter is drawn in the voice. --SilentResi (talk) 00:46, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
It does not matter what language, nationality, race, etc. a player is. The proper pronunciation does not change depending upon the person hearing it. Stratholme stays strath-holme, Scholomance stays skoh-loh-mance, draenei stays dran-eye and so on. That said, I thank you for not continuing to argue like many people would've done. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 01:47, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you, Sebreth on this point. It seems its just that the sound varieties of the game in english language causes confusion in some aspects of the game, like pronunciations. Its really cool that we have discovered this. --SilentResi (talk) 00:14, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: guys, someone edited the a.k.a. in Stratholme's Article and changed it, probably in the shadow of our dispute about the pronunciation of the name Stratholme.

I reverted the changes on the A.K.A as it was originally, as the AKA has nothing to do with the pronunciation at all and shouldn't be edited. --SilentResi (talk) 00:14, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

@ Sebreth for his following message in the History Log of Stratholme article: "Never seen it called Strat in-game or otherwise. Even if it were called Strat, it would be a stupid thing to punctuate mid-syllable. That's like someone calling me Sebr." - Well, Sebreth, its called Strat and not Strath, even if you like it or not. No offense here, but are you serious? :D You really NEVER saw a player saying "LFG Strat Heroic" or something like that in the game? NEVER? lol... Stratholme in World Of Warcraft is known as Strat, not Strath. I am surprised with you. :) And by the way, I am not surprised why in my Warcraft 3 game Stratholme was pronounced as "Strat-holme"... Thats why in the beginning, I was doubt with you about the pronunciation "Strath-holme", until you provided a video as evidence. I accepted your video-evidence. I find it nice to know more about the varieties of the previous Warcraft games. Its proven now that Stratholme has 2 pronunciations (Strat-holme and Strath-holme). So, we should update the article with a note that Stratholme has 2 pronunciations instead of only the Strat-holme you demanded to have. Good night. --SilentResi (talk) 03:59, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Edit: Administrator Pcj reverted your edits on the article and declared it a Protected page. Finally the Stratholme's AKA is correct now: Strat and not Strath... :) --SilentResi (talk) 04:00, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Gee, I never noticed. And, no, it is not correct. Many people refer to it as Strath as well, hence Strath's redirect to Stratholme. I've never noticed Strat, but since you all are so adamant about it being referred to as such, I guess it is so. For it to be correct, both would have to be listed. What a lovely attitude you have there. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 05:06, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Im sorry Sebreth but SilentResi is right. In World of Warcraft, Stratholme is simply Strat. I do not know how comes you call it Strath, but I ensure you its not right. I play WoW for over 5 years now but never had in my whole time in the game heard at least 1 player to call it the way you did... In my European server (Normal PvE, English) all the players call it Strat. Just open your chat channels... P.S: I never played Warcraft 3 but my friends who did, they spell / pronounce it Strat-holme. Just I am telling you. --Pridelord (talk) 05:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Strath. This is not red-linked. If it were, your argument would be more valid. And we've already had this discussion. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 05:34, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Lol, someone deleted the redirect. That's really sad. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you ceased your trolling, Silent. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 05:46, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
You heard it a lot more back in classic, it was definitely referred to as strat, with the occasional person saying strath. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 06:45, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
@ Sebreth: Trolling? Deleted redirect? What are you talking about?--SilentResi (talk) 07:48, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Trolling is posting for no reason other than to get a rise out of someone. Someone deleted the Strath redirect a couple of minutes after I posted my original comment and gave no reasoning for doing so, so I remade it as it could be considered an act of vandalism. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 08:01, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
@ Sebreth: Sebreth, thats why we have the HISTORY page. So to see who deletes your redirections. And of course was not me. Just check your History page. Its easy.--SilentResi (talk) 08:30, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
@ Sebreth: Also I have to mention that Strat is not red-linked as well :) . Also the Stra redirect works too. So your arguments about redirects take no place here. It seems this dispute is getting silly. By the way, I wanna tell you that I better leave you from now, as I have better things to do rather than arguing with you about the Strat/Strath thing and whatever. Want to call this city Strath? No problem. Call Stratholme whatever you like. No problem at all. We have democracy and freedom of speech, so you can feel free and call it Strath, as none prevents you from calling it whatever you like. This is a game. For me, the shortcut Strath is absolutely fine. But when it comes about Wiki articles, here, we should remind ourselves that our informations should not replace the other player's informations in those articles. Of course I accept that there may be some players who call it Strath instead of Strat, including, as it seems, you. And I accept that you tried to add the word Strath into the article of Stratholme. But, the fact that you tried to censor/edit my own informations and change all my text from Strat-holme into Strath-holme, instead of putting your pronunciation next by mine, separated with a comma (,) are not tolerated. If you have pronunciation information, just add it but don't replace the existing ones. If you don't understand what I am talking about, I try to put a pronunciation for the city and you began a whole story by editing my edits. In addition, you changed all the "Strat" texts you found in the article into "Strath" texts, ignoring some in-game facts only because you didn't experienced them in-game. --SilentResi (talk) 08:30, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Just because the player base might refer to it as "Strat-holme" doesn't mean that it's the correct way; official sources (e.g. the Warcraft III campaign) precedes what the player base might refer it to. It seems baffling to me that you say you don't care if people call it Strath or Strat, yet you are the one who constantly tries to persuade people into believing that the correct pronunciation is "Strat-holme" when it really is "Strath-holme". --g0urra[T҂C] 09:21, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
@ Gourra: At the start, I didn't knew that there is also Strath-holme, thats why I was doubt about this. But, as you see, Gourra, as soon as Sebreth uploaded a video with evidence of pronunciation as "Strath-holme", I accepted it! I didn't denied it. I realized that the players were right, there is Strath-holme. Don't blame me as I really did not knew about this. And I though its impossible my Warcraft 3 to be different than the the one a player from other side of our planet has. Thanks to Sebreth for uploading his video, now I am glad to know this. I accepted it without a hesitation. :) I just did not knew there is Strath-holme. :( Thats why we have the Talk with other players, so to learn. That's the point of talking with the other Wiki users: they may have always something more to teach us. More knowledge is the best. --SilentResi (talk) 16:22, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Despite what you may think, Blizzard do not re-record their campaigns with different pronunciation for each region. You just misheard it or got it stuck in your head that it was strat from text. IconSmall NightElf Male.gifDruid Tyriar T C 09:29, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
@ Tyriar: I though the same, that they don't re-record the scenario voices. A also friend from Holland told me that may this is not simply a re-record but how the language is received. I personally may don't or do give points to this possibility, but, Ι the fact is that doubt for sure that all those other players "got it stuck in their heads" the same pronunciation by incident... heh? --SilentResi (talk) 16:22, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Silent, I am aware of who it was who deleted it. I know that it wasn't you, nor was it anyone who has posted on my talk page thus far. I'd just rather not anger that person, as it might result in some undesirable consequences. As for your other comment, this is a wiki. Factual information is the lay of the land here. Blizzard, as of Warcraft 3, has shown that Stratholme is to only be pronounced Strath-holme. As for the AKA section, I was wrong and I know this now. If Pcj didn't lock it up, I would have added Strath to the list, or maybe added a (h) at the end of every Strat to show that it can be both. I would've gone back and fixed this, had Pcj not jumped the gun. Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 09:50, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Tyriar, I doubt that Silent just misheard it. I am afraid I got the same pronunciation (Strat-holme) here. Even the voice in the video Sebreth posted here has kinda different sound tones than the ones in my game. --Pridelord (talk) 20:44, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Gourra wrote to SilentResi: "you are the one who constantly tries to persuade people into believing that the correct pronunciation is "Strat-holme" when it really is "Strath-holme".". I am afraid that now is YOU the one who tries to persuade us the other players which one is the correct pronunciation of Stratholme. --ZegersKevin (talk) 10:54, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


I've approved your application to the Watchdogs. Welcome to the team. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 03:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Really? Thank you! :D Ability rogue shadowstrikes.png Sebreth (T.C) 04:22, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Amani Bear

HA... good catch, can't believe how long it's been like that. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey, just wanted to solicit your opinion on whether WoWWiki should leave Wikia. Thanks. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 22:38, October 5, 2010 (UTC)