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Wrath of the Lich King Pictures

I was just wondering who I should tell before I go through with my plan, as I have set aside some time this weekend coming up to post over 100 pictures from Wrath of the Lich King and was wondering who I should warn here that the site traffic might get a big increase as I intend not to provide (i.e. post) the pictures on any other site, but this one. User:Raogrimm2

Don't worry about traffic - what type of pictures though? Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The pictures are of serveral dozen NPC and regional shots of the area players played at Blizzcon, along with several quest test so I should be able to fill out about 6 or so quests. --User:Raogrimm2
Just make sure you do not upload over anything again. That causes some problems.--SWM2448 23:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
You mean replacing existing pictures? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 10:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think anything I have has been posted as I doubt many spent several of their 20mins periods just taking pics of NPC and towns. The only thing that could delay me right now is finding my copy of photoshop so I can edit the pictures. I actually would of had this up back in August, but I misplaced my camera card and thought I may have left it back in LAX. Either way the pictures should be of interest, although they aren't the best of quality as the camera I own is old and the flash can't be turned off so I had to struggle to cover the flash, while taking pics. User:Raogrimm2
Rememeber that much of the NPC population might change before Wrath goes live. But go ahead and upload stuff, it's perfectly legally obtained material. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
LOL going to be delayed for another week, as I spent my weekend doing home work, still I got one picture up enjoy!

A humble request...

I have attempted to make an NPC Icon for a Harpy, and it looks terrible. Perhaps if you have some time you could make one for harpies and kobolds? They are often included in race population breakdowns now on zone pages and we don't have icons for them. --Jiyambi t || c 15:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Done, and done. I also linked every single race/mount icon on my user page. IconSmall Harpy.gifIconSmall Kobold.gif ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Yay :) Can you make a wildkin one also? I just ran across that one while updating zoneboxes. --Jiyambi t || c 21:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
IconSmall Wildkin.gif Here it is. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
You totally rock my socks. Thanks a bunch! --Jiyambi t || c 01:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
<3 you! Kirkburn  talk  contr 01:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
We might need something for half-elves unfortunately there is no specific icon or graphic for them :p... Perhaps use morph program to create something between humans and high elfs? LOL. Same goes for half-orcs :p...Baggins 02:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I've just been using high-elves and orcs, respectively, but it would be nice to have something different. --Jiyambi t || c 02:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
IconSmall HalfElf Male.gif IconSmall HalfElf Female.gif IconSmall HalfOrc Male.gif IconSmall HalfOrc Female.gif Sure thing... how are these? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hehheh, works for me. BTW, I liked the full size images in Talk:Half-orc. Hope you do that for half-elfs too :).Baggins 07:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
If its not asking too much maybe some special icons for Wildhammer dwarves too ;).Baggins 07:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Wildhammers are up: IconSmall Wildhammer Male.gif IconSmall Wildhammer Female.gif ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Varg, we should have a specific category for these, methinks. (Other than the template category). Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I concur. I'm not that familiar with template categories personally, but we could make it a subcategory of that other one... or are you thinking an entirely seperate category? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 18:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Subcategory sounds correct to me. And those look absolutely awesome, Varg :) --Jiyambi t || c 20:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you please make an icon for Pandaren too? I'm not sure if there are any pics of Pandaren Females, but I think there is one. Oh and can you make an icon for a lion and bear too please? Mr.X8 23:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the small Pandaren on the bigger one's shoulders is a Female Panadaren. Maybe...

Poor Varg... look what I've started.... --Jiyambi t || c 04:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Lion and bears aren't sentient they don't need to be in demographic lists. Pandaren icons should be easy as they existed in WC3 (tft), but there use would be extremely limited, and wouldn't be on any demographic lists.Baggins 05:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I made one for pandaren: IconSmall PandarenBrewmaster.gif. There's no proper female pic so it's silly to create one that might be misrepresentative. What do you want to do with the lion and bear ones? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 11:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
There are two drawings of a young female pandaren in Sam's personal gallery, but none of them are a good image of her face.--SWM2448 01:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I was going to use the pics to put on my toon's webpage. He he has a lion, bear, and crocolisk. Mr.X8 19:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait if lions and bears aren't sentinent, why do we have cows, wolves, hoses and chickens? Mr.X8 23:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know but they don't belong in demographic information lists.Baggins 23:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Bessy would beg, or moo, to differ. Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh do we use the ogre icon for ogre-mages? Mr.X8 00:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Visually there isn't much of a difference betwen ogres and ogre mages, considering that there are two headed ogres, and single headed ogre mages. Lore wise, we have been told that ogre mages tend to be blue.Baggins 00:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh and is there a Demon Hunter Class Icon? Could we use

Inv weapon glave 01.png

Mr.X8 00:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Can we get a race icon for Nerubians please? Also one for Undead Dragons (Frost Wyrms), Gargoyles, Shades and Zombies would be sweet. Then again, their are not many Undead Dragons and they all look different based on their orgainal Dragonflight. --Classicon deathknight.pngBuraisu (Talk · Contr) 01:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

There's no demon hunter class icon because there's no demon hunter class... even deathknight doesn't have a public symbol yet. Squeezing two ogre heads into a pic doesn't make much sense. I don't have anything against making symbols for beasts as long as there's a reason... if there's a solid article that could put them to use, it's better. I did make one of a skeletal dragon, IconSmall FrostWyrm.gif. Nerubians don't exist in the game (yet) so that's kind of hard. It would have to be a WC3 graphic somehow.---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 18:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you for making the other icons. Mr.X8 23:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh and Wowwiki uses regular undead icons for undead creatures like trolls (in ZF), and High Elves (Dar'Khan)? Mr.X8 21:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I made a bunch of new icons, including titans, bear, boar, yeti, nerubian, and others. Check my user page. Dar'Khan has a unique skin, but I use the normal high elf icon for him, although the undead icon would make sense as well. For trolls, I'd probably just use one of the pre-existing troll icons. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Just dropping by to say someone made a list of them at Wowpedia:List of race icons. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah,I did but I got alot of them from Varghedin`s page,Can somebody help me get caught up please?--User:Airiph/sig 17:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

See Category:WoW icon templates - all the race icons are listed there. We have also started Category:Race templates for things like {{Race|<Human>}} = HumanHuman Human
EDIT: I forgot that I was subcategorizing the race icons to Category:Race icon templates, so hopefully soon they will all be found there.
--Jiyambi t || c 17:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Dar'khan is not an entirely unique skin, its used for some of the blood elves in Shadowmoon Valley, although they are also somewhat out of phase in appearance.Baggins 17:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If it is possible,Do you think you can make Dark Troll icons?Unless you are to busy,then dont worry about it.--User:Airiph/sig 18:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Since it's now the "thing" to do, I have yet another image request. I have no idea if you would be able to do this, but essentially I am looking for an 18x18 pixel image of a chain to use to denote that a quest is part of a chain on quest list pages, and to link down to that chain. --Jiyambi t || c 22:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Like this?: File:Chain.gif ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
/cheer! Varg... you are really quite awesome. :) thanks! --Jiyambi t || c 23:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

What Blood Elves in Shadowmoon use Dar'Khan's skin? Mr.X8 23:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The ones at Crimson watch.--SWM2448 23:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Warthok made an icon for the undead elf. But there's only a female one. Mr.X8 01:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Here it is IconSmall UndeadElf Female.gif Mr.X8 01:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, we need one for ghould, and is it possible one for dark trolls and lions? Mr.X8 01:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's a list of wished-for icons:
  • IconSmall Nerubian.gif Nerubian
  • IconSmall Shade.gif Shade
  • IconSmall Gargoyle.gif Gargoyle
  • IconSmall Ghoul.gif Ghoul
  • IconSmall DarkTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Female.gif DarkTroll
  • IconSmall UndeadElf Male.gifIconSmall UndeadElf Female.gif UndeadElf
  • IconSmall Wyvern.gif Lion
  • IconSmall Bear.gif Bear ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 07:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You are awsome Varghedin!Sorry for overworkin` you.--User:Airiph/sig 14:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you so much! They look sick! Mr.X8 16:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Varg, do you use WoW Model Viewer, take a screenshot, crop the face and shrink it into a square icon to create racial icons? Wanna know ;))) --  Shandris  talk / contribs 11:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Yep, I do. I gave some details about the process in an earlier discussion above. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. So how do you get the model for the Mag'har? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 13:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Select the orc model, go to options, select use npc color, and change the skin color to mag'har brown ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 14:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Just when you thought you were done,Gan`arg and skeleton Perhaps?Thank you!--User:Airiph/sig 16:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Here they are: IconSmall Gan'arg.gif and IconSmall Skeleton.gif.
I also completed the list of obtainable mounts, and added these in the process:
  • IconSmall Broom.gif Broom
  • IconSmall Netherray.gif Nether Ray
  • IconSmall Phoenix.gif Phoenix
  • IconSmall Flyingmachine.gif Flying Machine
  • IconSmall Warhorse.gif Warhorse
  • IconSmall Felsteed.gif Felsteed
  • IconSmall SilithidTank.gif Qiraji Tank
  • IconSmall Raven.gif Raven
  • IconSmall Talbuk.gif Talbuk

Also, for the Burning Legion article, IconSmall Succubus.gif ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 10:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You are doing an awesome job, Varghedin. I'd have a small request for you. Could you make icon templates for ice elementals, wretched and sand gnomes please?--K ) (talk) 12:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I made some more, are these okay?
  • IconSmall Wretched.gif Wretched
  • IconSmall SandGnome.gif Sand Gnome
  • IconSmall IceElemental.gif Ice Elemental

--  Shandris  talk / contribs 13:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks nice, although I'd prefer if there was more zoom on the Wretched's face so it fills out the box more or less, like the other races. And for the elementals, a full body shot fits very nicely into the square box, like how it is with the others: IconSmall Fire.gifIconSmall Earth.gifIconSmall Water.gifIconSmall Air.gif. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 13:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The Sand Gnome one is perfect, thanks. I agree with Varghedin, the Wretched icon would be better with a closer caption, and the ice elemental is more recognizable when in full body shot. If one of you could readjust both icons it would be super helpful for the species article.--K ) (talk) 14:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I did a tweak. Going to take a look at that article now. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 15:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Great, as ever ;-) How did you like the article? It's kinda... Empty atm.--K ) (talk) 21:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Model Viewer ?

Umm,were would you type in Codes such as Demon Hunter Runes?--User:Airiph/sig 23:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand your question. Can you give me an example? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • 50122,43786,4,1,5,0,0,Black DemonHunter Runes
  • 50123,43841,4,1,5,0,0,Purple DemonHunter Runes
  • 50124,43788,4,1,5,0,0,Green DemonHunter Runes

I somewhat figured it out at the message boards there.Are there anymore Runes just not on the chest?--User:Airiph/sig 16:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what this stuff is. Sorry! ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Airiph found a model viewer website, and someone made a picture of a demon hunter, with runes on it's chest. That person put the "codes" for the demon hunter runes on that picture's caption. Airiph wanted to make a demon hunter so that's what he was asking.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 16:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I see. I don't know how to use such codes in the program, however. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
He means how to view this item which adds tattoos ("runes") on the chest of a player. Don't know if item exists in-game. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 17:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


You're the Boss

I recently found a picture of a pandaren screenshot, and since it's not real, I don't know if I can post it. Since you're an Admin, what do you say?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 05:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Fake pictures(ones that were fan drawn) are allowed, but are not for primary use except in fanfic pages. btw, read datamined to learn what it means.   Zurr  TC 05:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well it's fake, and it came from WoW Insider, so I don't know if it's illegal, that's why I'm asking. BTW here it is-[1]  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs

ROfl Varg you`r the boss!User:Airiph/sig 05:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

He's an admin and he's nice because he puts up with our incessent asking about making new icons.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 05:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't be datamined because there aren't any pandaren models in the game files. Where do you wish to post this picture? Feel free to put it up here so we can get a better idea of its style. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I was going to download, but it turns out the same picture was on the site. I can go get it for you.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 00:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Here it is.



Yeah, I've seen that one before. Someone pasted a pandaperson from some other game into a WoW screenshot. You could post it in the chat, but as far as the main article goes, I think it should stay out. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Can I put it on my userpage and fan fic?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 16:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you can =) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 16:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me! :) User:Mr.X8/Sig2

Just wanted to say that i really enjoy your page. Those little icons of all species in wow rocks. I appreciate everything you've done. User:Wired/sig0041, december 22 2007 (EST)

Well once again, I need your help. Since you have an amazing 40,000 edits all about WoW, do you happen to know the name of those orange & purple, double sided, looks almost like the ceremonial warmaul blood-blade, warglaives most demon hunters use? Allakhazam's article on it shows this picture too. Is it possible that was an old version of the blades? Oh and the NE on the box of the original WoW box, fighting the dragon, he has it.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 02:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

That weapon is the legendary and unobtainable Glaive of the Defender. Note that if it ever does get released to the public, the stats will probably change dramatically, although it may have been entirely replaced by  [Warglaive of Azzinoth]. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The glaive, does it show up on the WMV? And if no, is there anything that looks like, or even uses that model?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 00:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It does show up in WMV, as a mainhand weapon. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh good, thanks!  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 00:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You can also look under Glave in the WMV, for more types...I don't think bliz knows which way they want to call them. The Forged Glave is the same model as the older Warglaive of Azzinoth, but without the glow. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 01:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That's glaive of the defender? I thought it was the orange and purple one- IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 18:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That looks wrong. It's a glaive, but it's not orange and purple, it's plain steel. Maybe try to update your WMV? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I'm sorry I forgot to delete it after Airiph did. He fixed it though.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 21:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like I had to update too...and after updating the only glaives on the list are the defender, and the warglaives of azzinoth...The old list had a lot more to choose from, but under glave, which is now gone. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 22:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Race Icons

Hey Varg, I made this page: Wowpedia:List of race icons - thought you would like to know it existed. If you make any new icons, please add them to that page. In addition, all race icons are now under the subcategory Category:Race icon templates, instead of just Category:WoW icon templates - they were cluttering things up where they were. Let me know if any of this needs to be changed. -Jiyambi t || c 04:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok... there's also Wowpedia:List of race icons though. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
What I wanted was something specifically so that when I need a race icon, I can see what they look like for each race on the same page as the code to make them. I dunno if other people will use it, and if need be I can move it to my user page. But I think I will find it useful. --Jiyambi t || c 20:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Like he said,Wowpedia:List of race icons,I worked hard on that!DONT REJECT ME!sorryUser:Airiph/sig 20:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, it wasn't what I needed (though it is beautiful and useful for other stuff), so chill :P -Jiyambi t || c 21:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL,well I dont know what you mean,the template page(not the image page)has it in the edit part if thats itUser:Airiph/sig 21:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I know, its just easier to see it all in one place without having to click edit and find the pic you were looking at. The page you made is great, I just wanted something compact that was sort of a one-stop shop for the race icons. If you really have an issue with it, I will move it to my user space. --Jiyambi t || c 21:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh Varghedin, what's your secret on creating pcitures of like half elves and half orcs?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 01:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

My secret is Photoshop, pure and simple. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Categories and such

I noticed you added category "Category:Zone:Nagrand". These type of categories have been deprecated (see Wowpedia:Zone category project). Since I know you have a manic obsession with editing NPCs, not only would it be great for you to reverse such doings (use the appropriate subcats and naming schema present already), but to change the categories as you move along to each NPC that you end up updating. If the cat doesn't exist at the point of the updating, that's alright, but better that than using an old style of catting. Feel free to wander around the subcats in order to get the feel for how they are catted and how each item fits into a category. --Sky (talk | con | wh) 09:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

That was a reflex - old habits die hard. I'll work on that, thanks mate ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions? :) Besides which, they can be moved rather easily by using pywikipediabot; I'll go bug Piu or Fisker, I think. Or finally get it set up for myself. xD --Sky (talk | con | wh) 19:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, those. Aside :) And a Skybot could be neat. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I was pointing out to you that lower case is the correct convention (in case you missed that) :P --Sky (talk | con | wh) 19:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. *looks up 'putting aside' in the dictionary* :P ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Naga organization

Appears to be 'tribe' in the RPG, from intial references I'v found.

Death Hiss tribe, Hatecrest tribe, etc in Lands of Mystery.--Baggins 08:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input :) I thought clan sounded a bit strange, myself. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol, true. Although this is warcraft, the two terms get interchanged alot, :p... You should see how many times orc clan and orc tribes get interchanged in first Warcraft RPG book, :p. About 50/50 or so.The same thing goes for ogres even in the MMO itself, :p... To be frank I wish we could use a neutral term for the categories and articles that neither discredits the use of clans or tribes, something that allows both, :p...Baggins 08:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not exactly certain what the proper difference between the two terms is, but to me 'clan' feels more organized and warlike, and 'tribe' feels more loose and socially-based. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
To be fair, there is a distinct meaning in anthropology for the two. Tribes sub-groups within clans, at least for some cultures, IIRC. Essentially people could marry inside the clan, but not inside tribes. However that's not how it works in the RPG, :p...Baggins 08:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, and it appears centaur are usually called "tribes" more than clans. So far only references to them being tribes in the rpg...Baggins 08:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
In-game, the centaur refer to themselves as belonging in clans quite consistently. And the factions are called "Magram Clan Centaur" etc. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Still think this is an issue of Blizzard just mixing and matching the terminology. Yep, found references to centaur clans in the same books that say "centaur tribes", :p.Baggins 08:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Fun, look at the synonyms, both clan and tribe are considered synonyms... [2] :p. Perhaps we can find something there that's generic that we can use in place of clan/tribe to avoid the interchanged words. Once we do that, we can point out within each related category that the groupings are called clan or tribe.Baggins 08:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Might be better than the qualitative distinction we have now. Although a supergroup of clan and tribe might be very bland or generic-sounding, like 'group' or 'division'... ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
'Group', might be the most, uh, compatible term though. ...or perhaps, "bands"?Baggins 09:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
association, band, brotherhood, bunch, clan, clique, coterie, crew, crowd, crush, faction, folks, fraternity, gang, group, house, insiders, kinfolks, mob, moiety, organization, outfit, race, ring, sect, set, society, sodality, stock, tribe, amalgamation, banding together, bunchalliance, cahoots, coalition, combination, confederation, conjunction, connection, hookup, incorporation, joining, league, merging, partnership, relationship, syndicate, tie-in, tie-up, union, affiliation, alliance, circle, club, combo, company, confederacy, congress, cooperative, corporation, family, federation, fellowship, guild, league, order, pool, rat pack, troops, troupe, zoo, association, community, comradeship, coterie, secret society? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
LoL, sometimes I don't understand how some words are even synonyms :p...Baggins 09:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


Do you even play the game anymore? lol, You're just so good at getting lots of requested screenshots in a timely manner it just seems you log on to take pics. =) Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 08:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

He's a machine. On another note, would it be possible for you to upload pics in .png with transparency on (if they aren't actually from ingame)? Not a big issue, but there have been a couple additions where that would be much appreciated for those of us who have been working on making the wiki friendlier to Monobook.css skin users. Thanks. --Sky (talk | con | wh) 09:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I do sometimes log on just to get screenshots. Call it a metahobby.
I can save pics in .png format but I don't know how to make them "transparent". Anyway, I've been having problems viewing .png files as thumbnails because the colors become corrupted or some such (the full-size pics look fine though). Is there some setting I can adjust? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 15:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

need bans handed out for gold spam

Kabtomak (talk · contr), Tsich (talk · contr), Biqos (talk · contr), Qaqajal (talk · contr), Etzyesich (talk · contr), Kabij23 (talk · contr), Qaqelja (talk · contr), Ajikaqa (talk · contr), Etzajos45 (talk · contr), Kalayos (talk · contr), Ajich (talk · contr), Chakrosard (talk · contr), Rhaokormund (talk · contr), Kalayelja (talk · contr), Biqim (talk · contr), Ajam (talk · contr), Azalix (talk · contr), Etzal‎ (talk · contr), Izlaqa (talk · contr), Jolawaj (talk · contr), Ajak (talk · contr), Biqayelja (talk · contr), Biqin (talk · contr), and Biqasak (talk · contr) all need nice long bans for spamming gold. Pretty sure it was a bot set to work on the captcha, which explains the long edit variance. Would you care to deal with them? --Sky (talk | con | wh) 12:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

And Qaqak (talk · contr). :/ aaaaaaaand Ixanaj457 (talk · contr)

Please sign your posts.=PUser:Airiph/sig 18:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

lower case rd

We don't generally allow those, and as nothing linked to it, I didn't see an issue with killing the link. You can remake it, of course, but I don't see the value in it. --Sky (t | c | w) 03:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't recall anyone saying he don't allow it, but discouraging them is fair, given that they make it easier for people to make spelling mistakes without realising. Kirkburn  talk  contr 03:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. Very well, I'll leave it deleted. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 13:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

New mini-icon ideas

Any chance that you could possibly fancolor the female ogress's head from WC1 manual's and turn her into a female ogre icon (for the purpose of the few female ogresses we know of)?

Also is there any way to have a two-headed ogre icon? If not perhaps a blue ogre to represent the ogre mage race? --Baggins 07:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I can give it another shot, but last time I tried, the two heads in one square frame looks pretty much unrecognizable. A blue head would be doable, though. I don't have the WC1 manual, is the pic on wowwiki somewhere? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Holy crap, the one on ogre under society? It's a wonder these things reproduce at all O.o ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Here's how the female turned out: IconSmall Ogre Female.gif, and the two-headed mage: IconSmall OgreMage2.gif, and the same two-headed mage with focus on the one-eyed head: File:IconSmall Ogre Mage2.gif. A frontal shot with both heads makes each head the size of a pinhead. I think I prefer the one-headed version of the two-headed ogre, the other looks a bit weird. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I have to say, they look good to me, even your two headed version. Both may be useable dependent on if ogre mage is one headed or two headed. Your female looks awesome.

Looks like we'll need a brown two-headed ogre too (to represent normal two headed ogres as opposed to two headed ogre magi), it looks like both ogre icons are being used, :).Baggins 05:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

If it counts, I like the 2 headed ogre mage icon more then the one headed version, and the ogre chick is scary, which means it's really good because let's face it, they're D-O-G-S.

Anyway, could you make half-blood elf and half-night elf?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 17:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

They arent known well enoughUser:Airiph/sig 19:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Neither are ogre females, but they have one.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 21:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Half-blood elf would be identical to half-elf anyways. Half-kaldorei could be fun to make. And I'll get on the brown two-headed ogre. Raiding Karazhan right now though :P ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Half-blood elves don't even exist yet, you'll have to wait 20 years.
As for half-night elves there is only one known adult and a bunch of rumored babies. Hardly enough to make the icons useful(and we don't even know where they live so they won't be used on any region page). Although I suppose an icon could be derived from the picture of Feulia with a bit of recolor touch up (but that icon would only get use on a small handful of pages, where she's been linked to).
At least with ogre females we can use the icon on any region page that has ogres, in order to show "the other half".Baggins 21:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No doubt Blizzard would make ogre females super models if they showed up ingame. Zarnks 22:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

One things for sure...if they did add them, they'd be cartoonish looking like the males...and they'd be in the very back of caves over a boiling cauldron. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait, wouldn't blood elves have green eyes instead of blue ones? And if we make a half-NE, couldn't we use the way Varg made the half-orcs?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Half-elves don't all have blue eyes. Some have brown, some have green. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 03:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Zarnks, technically I think that's only if they ever intended them to be playable. We have seen female arrakoa right? They don't look any different than male counterparts. As for females of races in the artwork it actually varies somewhat, there are some rather fugly female trolls, dwarves, and orcs, even humans in the RPG.
X8, he could do it the way he did half-elves and half-orcs, although for half-night elves he'd better off basing it off Feulia as a template to get the ears and eyes right. With half-orcs there was a bit of variation in the artwork so something down the middle was called for. The same could be said for half elves. We only have one known artwork for half-night elves, and only a female version.
Varg, I don't know about any references to brown eyes, but the RPG definitely says that half-elves eyes are usually blue or green.Baggins 03:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Well if elven eyes are carry the same type of genes as human eyes, the brown-eyed chromosome would be dominant, and thus a brown-eyed human parent would get brown-eyed half-elven children, with a hidden blue-eyed chromosome. Even if the elven blue-eyed chromosome was dominant in elves, we'd see codominant hazel-like eyes in half-elven children. Of course, blue or green or gray-eyed human parents would get correspondingly blue- or greenishly-eyed half-elven children. Yay for WoW science! ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 13:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Half-Kaldorei:IconSmall HalfKaldorei Female.gif IconSmall HalfKaldorei Male.gif and two-headed ogre: IconSmall OgreMage.gif. Also check out Talk:Half-night elf for the full pics. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 14:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Varg I did't mean to resort to speculation based on real world, I meant were there any official references to brown eyed half elves being possible? Its however, officially stated that, "Like their high elf parents, they tend to have fair skin and hair and brilliantly colored eyes, usually blue or green."[Note 1] [Note 2] This would imply that for eye colors and hair high elven genes are dominant. As for high elves, its stated that, "While many high elves have blue or green eyes, violet and red are not unheard of."[Note 3] It would seem blue and green are more dominant than violet or red.--Baggins 18:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I like the half-kaldorei pics, and since they're so small couldn't we use them as half blood-elf? And didn't it say High Elves could have yellow eyes too before it was vandalized like a year ago?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 18:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

A half-kaldorei is a half-night elf. But I hardly know any pages where those icons would be all that useful really.Baggins 18:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I have to admit, I'm only asking to see a half BE pic because I'm curious to see what they look like. If it's okay, we can just the half-elf pic we already have.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 18:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I know of no source that says that high elves could have "yellow eyes". What I posted above is about the only specific sources I know of that gave quotes. I guess its possible there may be references to a yellow eyed high elf in the novels, but not sure. Also, I wouldn't take icons as a way of "seeing what a race looks like" they are fun, and useful for categorization purposes. But they fall under the same speculative nature as any other fanpic really, i.e. not official. If you want to see how a race really looks you basically just need to turn to whatever official artwork exists.Baggins 18:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

But no pictures exist of half BEs and humans. Right?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 18:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Why would there be, they don't exist, yet. I'm pretty sure they are going to look just half-elves, maybe a bit ruddier or extremely pale, and possibly sickly green glowing eyes.(in the same way blood elves don't look much different than high elves except for the same differences as above).Baggins 18:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait how could they not exist? I mean if one became a BE, and met a soldier in Garithos' army, the child could possibly be alive, if the gestation period o a High Elf is the same as a real life humans'.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 18:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The blood elves and humans of that period were hardly very friendly with each other. In fact, I think if against all odds there was to be a couple there, they'd probably face loathing and harassment from everyone else. Not to mention in the time since the elves broke from the Alliance. And anyway, they would be very young children if there were born any at all. Add that to the fact that the child of a blood elf and a human might very well simply be a half-elf since the craving for magic might be thinned out to a point of not making a difference. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
First off early blood elves were blood elves by name only, they hadn't yet mutated as far as the fel energy imbued race they are now (although by some accounts they were already quite mad by that time before they left to help Garithos, even having murdered any high elf that tried to stop them from burning Quel'Thalas forests). Secondly, should also remind that high elves generally hate their half-elf offspring and give them to their human parents or implication of living in orphanages. The same would have been for the blood elves (the distrust and disgust is actually shown in the Ghostlands manga to some degree). So any so called half-blood elves born at that time if they had been would have probably been raised in human homes, and thus would have grown up like any other half-elf culturally (thus they wouldn't have been true "half-blood elves"). Its stated that there won't likely be any half-blood elves for at least 20 years, see half-blood elves.
Also its stated that half-elves do not have the addiction to magic like their high elf parents, therefore from a physical level its unlikely that a physically half-elf would change into a physically half-blood elf individual. However due to blood elves already being mutated, and likely to be mutated further in 20 years the chance of half-blood elves existing and being physically different (at least on the internal level and some physical difference) will be possible. We already know that according to rpg that the future half-blood elves will have all the same racial traits as their parents, including the addiction, and likely the green fel eyes and pale/crimson skin tones as well.Baggins 20:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok so I know now that

  • It's impossible for them to exist until another 20 years or so
  • They would be raised by humans since BEs are prejudice
  • The BE genes for the most part would be dominant

But with half human/ogres, what's the scoop on them?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 21:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Read the article, half-human half-ogre. As much as we know, is already spelled out. They may or may not exist already. They are rumored to exist.Baggins 21:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Ya the only reason there are half human half ogre is becasue the humans were raped =P.Also the Blood Elves hate the alliance.User:Airiph/sig 00:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

...or a human was very desperate or drunk.Baggins 00:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there's enough booze in the world to make a man bone her or vice versa.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 01:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

To be honest if there are people that are into animals, I'm certain there are people that would be into ugh that sort of thing... And to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, on his advice about having sex with older and uglier women, once you cover their head with a basket, and regarding only what is below the girdle, "the lower Parts continuing to the last as plump as ever", "And as in the dark all Cats are grey..." "the Pleasure of Corporal Enjoyment... is at least equal, and frequently superior...--Baggins 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Guys! Look, someone is vandalizing the main page! *puts an ogre-sex chastity belt on his chat page while everyone's looking away* ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 01:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh God, I knew Franklin was a nymphomaniac Satanist, but THAT, is too much for my semi-devout Patriachate of Constantinople ears to handle.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 02:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Back to the half breeds again, could

this pass as a half elf?

 IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 02:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I seem to recall Franklin was a "deist" rather than a satanist.

Anycase back to the topic. Varg any chance we could get a "highborne" icon too? Something distinguishing them from your more druidish night elf icons. Also do we have skeletal mage icon? Also it might be helpful to have a '?' icon for characters with an unknown race.Baggins 08:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Well,skeletal mage is just a skelaton that practices arcane of fire or frost,otherwise we have to make race icons with the classes in them,thats kinda pointlessUser:Airiph/sig 17:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really there is actually a specialized graphic for skeletal mages in both Warcraft III and in WoW. Because the graphic is so different, an icon will work fine.Baggins 00:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Skeletal mage: IconSmall SkeletalMage.gif and highborne: IconSmall Highborne Male.gif IconSmall Highborne Female.gif. The unknown template already exists: IconSmall Unknown.gif. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 10:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks.Baggins 10:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It just hit me, we need a shark icon.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 03:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


Arbitrary break

I hate necroposting but only now I figured out that the icon you made for female ogre (this IconSmall Ogre Female.gif) in truth represents a female troll (source: [3]) need to do somethink ;) --N'Nanz (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the pic says "troll" because Blizzard hadn't yet figured out they would call their greenskins "orcs" instead. Look at the pic of the orc next to her, it also says "troll" but it's obviously an orc. There were no trolls in WarCraft 1 at all. --Varghedin (talk) 11:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Well... Sorry but I can't find the other picture you say. However Blizz says she is a troll... Perhaps they are wrong but I think it is not as wrong as saying it's a ogre, no source about this statement. --N'Nanz (talk) 15:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Well since there are no other pictures of female ogres, the only thing we could do is delete the picture.. --Varghedin (talk) 23:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Today I accidentally found this perhaps it should be useful to make a better ogre female icon? ;) --N'Nanz (talk) 09:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Good call! --Varghedin (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

shiRt happens (again): Murloc Female Mask --N'Nanz (talk) 21:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Creepy. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

MOS "thin" navigational templates

WP:MOS specifies that vertical navigation templates next to infoboxes must be "thin". This was defined as 10-12em in a recent discussion on the Village pump. Please keep this in mind when editing vertical templates. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Can't fault you, though, if you leave a vertical template grandfathered in. The discussion Pcj refers to also tried to address other vertical template issues, but failed to reach a consensus before everyone became bored. --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Nether Ray Icon

Could you make a Nether Ray icon? Best Regards, --The Lich KingTalkContribs-Lord Lightsword 21:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I just noticed that they had an icon already, nevermind >.< --The Lich KingTalkContribs-Lord Lightsword 21:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


Btw could you make an icon for half-ogres? You could maybe take Rexxar as the male icon and a yellow female orc as the female icon. --The Lich KingTalkContribs-Lord Lightsword 17:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem with Rexxar is that he has a big fur mask covering his face, which can't be removed. I could certainly make a tan orc set though. I'll get right on that. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 18:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Here, I based them off the Mag'har icons: 16px16px. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, great! --The Lich KingTalkContribs-Lord Lightsword 14:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem with Mag'har is they aren't very half-ogrish :p. Also we only know of two confirmed half-ogres. The rest of the Mok'Nathal clan are of questionable heritage.Baggins 03:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Character Portrait

I wanted to ask you how you made the Character Portraits on your userpage -- EpochDarkleaf 21:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I took a screenshot in-game, and cut away everything but the portrait. Then I inserted the class icon over the level. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you use to edit your screenshots? -- EpochDarkleaf 21:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Photoshop. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. I plan to remodel my character list after your fine example. -- EpochDarkleaf 22:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing, and good luck! ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Class set nav

Very nice! Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks mate =) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 01:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


[19:25:23] <+Foxbot> Varghedin made 51180 edits, of which 25007 were minor and 5706 were commented.

Congrats man. --User:Adys/Sig 18:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Update: You even beat Foxbot.

[19:29:33] <+Foxbot> Foxbot made 42127 edits, of which 1 were minor and 42122 were commented.

Wow! That's like.. alot huh? O.o What does it mean they were commented? Kinda hard to comment an edit directly, isn't it? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I think comments are that you wrote things in the Edit Summary.--SWM2448 22:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

How can you check how many edits you have?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 22:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks like Foxbot dunnit ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Female Eredar

Should a female icon be created?And fel Elf Male and female?User:Airiph/sig 15:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, they should. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

New Topic

Darkmark8910 has been messing around with the demon hunter by changing cited material. Would you be able to revert his edits?  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 18:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Made a new topic marker. I could revert the changes, but so could you. You don't need an administrator to go back to the edit before the change you dislike and start from there. Make sure you talk to the guy first though, so you don't start an edit war. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 15:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that. I've been sick so I was just on to check my messages and I saw what happened, so just looked up your name, wrote it down, then back to laying down, praying for death. Now my whole family's sick so they're going to the doctor so now I have to leave, sorry.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 21:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

All he did was change male pronouns to female.--SWM2448 22:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it's still cited work. People have gotten into trouble for fixing typos in cited material.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 00:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

"She" is not a typo. Just some people have problems with feminate pronouns being used in place of masculine pronouns. In anycase she is likely used to be politically correct, but some people don't like being politically correct, and prefer to use the more standard system of masculine pronouns for gender neutral purposes.Baggins 03:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I won't even get into a discussion of how wrong the statement "using "he" for gender neutral purposes" is... too bad the stupid English language doesn't really have a gender neutral pronoun >_< But I agree, the changes should be left alone (especially since it seems most demon hunters are male anyways). --Jiyambi t || c 03:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
In English's defense, the far greater part of the world's languages do not have gender neutral pronouns. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Fungal giants

Hey Var, is it possible to put your mad skills into making a race icon for fungal giants, I need something for Fhwoor to use on the notable members section of Sporeggar. Please and thankyou, User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 01:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. I will post it later today =) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Tis done: IconSmall FungalGiant.gif. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 10:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks great, thx. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 19:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 [Tabard of the Shattered Sun]

Since it seems you're the one who's been making those nice pics of all the different tabards, could you do that for  [Tabard of the Shattered Sun] too? Upload it on Shattered Sun Tabard.jpg (just overwrite the picture that's there), kk? --User:Osese (c / t) 19:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I cropped and resized it to fit with the others using the picture you provided. I'll have to wait until patch 2.4 (or a better screenshot) to get the smoothest version. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

How do you get such nice flat images of the tabards, like what program do you use to get them in the first place, WMV? User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 07:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, on a human male model it's pretty flat. The shattered sun tabard isn't in yet though.. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 16:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, now it's in. Phix plixx? --OseTalkz / Contribz 07:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

List of <Race> (NPC)

So you think it's useful creating a page for each race? Don't you think the corrected naming should be "List of <Race> (NPC)"? If so I'm going to move "List of Blood Elves in Azeroth" to "List of Blood Elves (NPC)" and "List of Draenei in Azeroth" to "List of Draenei (NPC)" though the Delete Tag pending --N'Nanz 11:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say it would be useful creating a page for each race, just that the two that's there already (blood elf and draenei) are incomplete. In the past, I believe it's been frowned upon to use "List of..." in article names (Teldrassil quests used to be named List of Teldrassil quests), so perhaps Blood elf NPCs and Draenei NPCs would be better? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 17:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it would! :) --N'Nanz 18:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You mean "List of blood elves" and "List of draenei", of course. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Already been moved :) I am teh nijaz ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you ready for the <Playable Race> NPCs? In 24 hours I'm going to start Gnome NPCs --N'Nanz 21:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You're scaring me. Besides, there's plenty of non-playable races left! ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! I'm a lock, a gnomish little lockey!!! and I'm gonna fear all the time, it's logical I'm scary... :) Sonner or later we have to start, no' However are you sure Janela Stouthammer is a Ironforge dwarf and not a Wildhammer NPCs? She has red hair and wears the tipycal wildhammer winged helm--N'Nanz 21:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Red hair is not that rare among Ironforge dwarves, it's just less common than among Wildhammers. Hair colors of all types exist in both groups of dwarves. Besides, she has no tattoos, and a winged helm is something anyone can wear, even some humans. Not to mention she is the leader the camp known as the "Ironforge Brigade". ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The Golden Kobold

The Golden Kobold is a symbol of hope, work and great candle affinity. The Golden Kobold
Ose has awarded Varghedin with the Golden Kobold, for their work here at Wowpedia!
Wow, okay uh.. I didn't have anything prepared. But.. I'd like to thank my mom and dad... my agent... my brother for getting me hooked on WoW... um.. lots of people I know, you know who you are... yeah. So thanks! Ok... Thank you. Which way do I go to get offstage? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Login issues

Hey, we had some user account issues earlier - if you are able to login okay, please prod me. If not, can you try and contact me somehow - IRC would probably be best. Thanks! Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Once in a while Im al of a sodden offline, other than that Im logged on just fine.User:Airiph/sig 19:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

This was a different issue - some account got unintentionally partially renamed. Only affected a few accounts, fortunately. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Kirkburn. It looks ok now, at least on this PC. I was a bit worried that I'd been haxxed, but I thought I'd just give it some time before I freaked out :P ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 11:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah thanks, too. I was afraid I could never get back on again.  IconSmall HighElf Male.gif Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 14:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Kalecgos new graphics

Nice job, the first thing I wondered when I knew Kalecgos was to appear in WoW was "will Varghedin commit suicide, update his comic, or just decide he's too pissed off to do anything?". Congrats, I know how hard it is to modify what's already been done. Your comic still rocks by the way.--K ) (talk) 00:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Heheh, well my real choices were either to update the graphics, ignore it and continue on with the old graphic, or stopping. The former was more work, but I'm happy with how it turned out in the end :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 05:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


Would you mind filling that in for me, as well as finding a suitable image? I'd appreciate it =]. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Gourra did a nice job of it :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Kil'jaeden icon

Seriously can you make a Kil'jaeden icon because there is an eredar icon and I want to see how a Kil'jaeden icon will be made because you know how he is mixed between an eredar and daemon at the state now TNK 10:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)worldtaker P.S. It may not be a race icon but I would really want to see how it is made.

Just use the male Eredar icon.. it's pretty close, it even has red skin. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Icon making

How did you make the icons? TNK 17:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)worldtaker

WowModelViewer and Photoshop. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hall of Legends

Have question on wiki = search for "admin" and find one that looks like he'll be useful. Target = you.

As you can see, said page is outdated with the coming of S4 (and quite possibly with the coming of S3). I was trying to think of an easier way to keep that page going - I'd manually update all the vendors myself, but I only know what Warriors can get by visiting and the huge lists look ugly - and I was wondering if we couldn't provide, instead of tables, links to the NPCs themselves and a category of what they sell? For example, instead of a table for Raider Bork, we would link to Raider Bork and Category:Horde PvP mounts. (Raider Bork trades PvP mounts for Marks of Honor, for example).

The thing is, that would require going through pretty much all of the PvP rewards and re-catting them for, say, Category:S2 armor set, Category:S4 armor miscellaneous, Category:S3 weapons, and so forth. It's... more than I'm willing to do, especially as my warrior requires a couple hundred thousand honor.

Can this be done, one way or the other?

Armond (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it can be done, if someone is willing to do it. Personally I never ever pvp, so I don't have the faintest clue who sells what. If it's something that could potentially be done by a bot, you could try asking a botmaster like hobinheim or laurly. I agree that providing a brief but informative list of which vendors are present and roughly what they sell, and move the more detailed tables to the vendors' personal articles to avoid being hit by walls of text would be better. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 16:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Quest enders?

You removed "Draenei quest ender" from Anchorite Paetheus. As this NPC clearly ends a quest, I have to ask: Is the collection of quest ender categories going away? If so, what rationale exists for "quest starters"? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The category isn't going away as far as I know. I've been operating under the assumption that a quest giver usually also ends the quests they start, which makes noting that someone is a quest ender easier because one needs only include the npcs that end a quest they do not start. Adding quest ender categories to every npc that ends the quests they begin is a huge undertaking, and one I don't really know would be worth the effort.
In Anchorite Paetheus' case, I see now that he both starts (and ends quests) but also ends a quest which he doesn't start. In this case, I've also viewed "quest giver" as a superior category to "quest ender", but having both also makes sense. I probably just looked at the categories while fixing something else and saw the uncommon combination of categories, and removed one. Feel free to add it back if you feel that represents the npc better. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 16:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


I tried emailing you a while back, but never got an answer - email me asap! I may have something useful for you ... Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Aye, tis done! My wowwiki profile was still listing my dusty old yahoo addy. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
EDIT:Ooooohhh... happy birthday to me! :D ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Another icon request =P

Is it possible to make a Machagnome icon? --User:Airiph/sig 22:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


They are actually called Emberwyrms. Source. g0urra[T҂C] 15:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

To me Magmawyrms are the ones that are raised from inside volcanoes (thus magma), and Emberwyrm are the general definition. There is of course an open interpretation of it, but that's how I see it. g0urra[T҂C] 15:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed; these types of wyrms should be called something else. However, the Alliance version says too that they are emberwyrms... and that magmawyrms are a type of emberwyrms. Maybe we can all settle on that they are called firewyrms? Tongueout.gif g0urra[T҂C] 16:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, you're right; emberwyrms are undead red dragons and magmawyrms are undead black dragons. Makes sense now. g0urra[T҂C] 13:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

frost dwarf

i reverted ur edit to my frost dwarf icon, they dont have blue beards and it looks like a dwarf spirit, please dont change it back, also because i added it to my page under stuff i made so it would look weird with your icon there. please leave me a comment on my talk page if you can and i hope you dont think im being rude, i just thing that icon u made didnt fit.--User:Whitedragon254You know im seriously 1337 now. {T1337 to the extreme.CThe dragon protects me...that and my MG 30 glock of course..) 20:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I see that you are interested in lore and such. I would like to invite you to take part over at WoWRP! --Eluna ( T / C / e ) 22:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Your pictures on Wowwiki

Using some of your pictures of various wow locations and NPCs in my upcoming PVE video, with credit to you. If this is a problem or you want to be credited as something other than Varghedin, get in touch. -- Parl2001 (talk) 00:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. Send me a link when it's done? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Best bet for notification (my mind isn't what it used to be) is to get on warcraftmovies and put me as a 'Favourite' and enable email notification. Nvm, I should start a list of people.

small icon templates

I don't know how busy you are but if you can get around to it, could you make the small icon templates direct to the related race?Baggins (talk) 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure how to do that. Modifying templates isn't particularly a strong suit of mine. Any ideas? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
See {{Jungle Troll Race}}: Template:Jungle Troll Race. --k_d3 22:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Race icons 2

I suppose many people has told you this, but I must repeat it: You are doing a great job with all the icons. I just love them all, they're simply awesome. So congratulations ;).

I'll exploit the talk edit a bit more, and ask you for some new icons :P. If you can make them, it would be awesome. Anyway, if you want someone for searching races needing icons, I'm willing to fill that position.

Here they go:

That's all, thanks ;).

--Lon-ami (talk) 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I put all of those up in the article now except the bone giant.. it's really just a huge skeleton and looks nearly indistinguishable from the normal type when reduced to the same size. Also, the live Nerubians really don't look any different from the undead ones as far as I've seen. I can see if I can find something that looks different somehow. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Great work, thanks you ;).
Anyway, I don't know if you actually make minor versions of things; I mean, model-wise icons. You know, there are many different shilitids, a fel arcane golem, and things like that, but I don't know if you consider them different races/subraces which deserver their own icon :S. (Only when the differences are considerable, of course. Making another icon for the northrend ghoul would be useless)
--Lon-ami (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Those aren't something I'd consider first because they can be represented well enough with the icons that already exist. There's plenty of missing icons to take from but fel golem and another silithid type aren't priority. (just like I'd be satisfied with having only one icon to represent spiders.. who cares if they're "globe-like" or not?) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
After having made icons for all the beasts and critters, the silithid species rank has inadvertently grown to 7: IconSmall Silithid.gifIconSmall SilithidTank.gifIconSmall Crab.gifIconSmall SandWorm.gifIconSmall Scorpid.gifIconSmall Beetle.gifIconSmall Larva.gif. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 07:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
WHoA. Great job with all these last additions. Really.
I see you made icons for "outland" type creatures. Are you planing to do the same with Outland raptors, Outland chimaeras, Outland Hydras, Outland parrots...?
Anyway, small note: The current silithid icon is the one from the silithid wasp, and the one of the wasp is just... er... weird. Anyway, there are 2 species of wasps, nope? I'm unsure :S. Silithid.png
--Lon-ami (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
The article is getting big now, we should probably not add too many more icons. I'm getting warnings when I post there. Those Outland creatures are represented well enough by the Azeroth variety I'd say.. the difference is mostly cosmetic. As for the wasp, yes the silithid wasp is the one that has the Silithid icon. The wasp icon is from a giant wasp from Outland. I tried to get a version of its head but it's really hard to tell what it is that way. The wings are at least understandable. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

More of them:

Also, updates for those using in-game icons would be nice too :P. (Imps, Voidwalkers, Serpents...)

--Lon-ami (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. The Succubus already existed and the Imp icon was made the same way others were. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Wait. I don't see the succubus anywhere.
Rofl?--Lon-ami (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, the icon and templates were active and working, but she was missing from the list. Fixed. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 10:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


I'm afraid to change the name of the so called "Uldaur earthen" icon due to it being interconnected to alot of pages. But I think it needs to be changed to "earthen2" and the original earthen type to "earthen1". They are both simply desribed as "earthen", and there are no "official" race names to designate the differences between the two (other than "earthen dwarf", Earthen Dwarf). Otherwise all appearances of the second earthen variety either appear directly with the Earthen of Uldaur faction, or the group affiliated with Kuron, in Grizzly hills, and various spirit ones found throughout northrend. I have made changes to earthen page to point out that "earthen" is used for both types.Baggins (talk) 00:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

How about changing the icon name to "Northrend Earthen" instead of "Ulduar Earthen"? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Sure that would be more relevent in describing where they are seen, rather than "race". Although it might help to give southern variety earthen a descriptive name as well for icon purposes.Baggins (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
That's harder though as non-Northrend Azeroth doesn't have a simple name to describe itself. "Old World" is the closest that comes to mind, which I really think is a misnomer to begin with. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Northern earthen, and southern earthen? The only time this might be an issue is if northern variety start appearing south, and if the southern variety were to appear in Northrend.Baggins (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Just watch and see lots of Northrend earthen show up at Uldum when that one opens later on :P ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 01:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised. We can change things if that time comes heh.Baggins (talk) 23:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Help me

Hi there i've been looking at your profile and noticed it has alot of stuff including a list of your chars and info on them i just wondered how do i get that???.

I made it manually. Feel free to copy the table and make the appropriate changes if you want to use it. PS: Sign your comments using the next to rightmost button above the edit box ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 15:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I,m not sure how to do it.

Go to my user page, hit "edit this page" at the top, scroll down to the big messy table under the "Characters" section, mark it all, hit CTRL+C, go to your userpage and hit "edit this page", and then select a spot and hit CTRL+V. Then change my characters' names levels etc to yours. Afterwards hit the "save page" button. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah i see thanks.


Indeed i must confess i feel a tad foolish for having to ask, and as such i desire to only ask the question once (which is why i picked such an experienced editor to ask), but i honestly have no idea how to add and place images in a page. If you might tell me that would be very wonderful indeed.

gadget (talk) 16:30 19 2009 (UTC)

Use the little button over the edit window that looks like a painting of some trees, and you get a wiki called [[Image:Example.jpg]]. Change the name of the picture to what you want it to be, like Quel'Thalas.jpg or something relevant, then you can place it around using |thumb |right |left after the .jpg part inside the brackets, and add a description after that using another | Like for example [[Image:Tyrelda.jpg|thumb|This is an image of the NPC Tyrelda]]. Then you post the change. Then you click the red picture link and you get to the picture upload page where you browse your pc for the pic you want.
Check here for a full page of info: Wowpedia:Image guidelines ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Quest:The Ring of Judgement

Blizz loves misspelling judgment as judgement... Did they fix it on A [10-30] The Ring of Judgment? --k_d3 23:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's called "The Ring of Judgement" in-game. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all the Screenshots - they're now in a movie!

Just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for all your work on this website.

Someone was crazy enough to film every single boss in the game and try to get all of the bossfights to fit into a single movie. That person is me and the movie is this. And without a bunch of screenshots from you it would've turned out a lot worse than it did.



-- Parl2001 (talk) 02:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

so does this mean that in about two expansions later you'll make a sequl where its patchs 3.1+ to where every we may be like patch 5.0? I mean i'm still downloading the full version but the Trailer was good. I'll telll you what I think about it later.--IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 15:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

umm, i tryed downloading it and it didnt work, think you could post the full version on youtube or at least put in a Stream on Warcraft Movies--IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 17:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Stream of part 1 is available on WCM. Downloads are up on both Filefront and Megaupload, but the best quality is via Bit Torrent link on the WCM page. Currently sitting at 68 seeds strong, with 251 leechers. And no, I won't make a sequel unless there's a dramatic internet bandwidth change - not interested in making a 3-hour movie that's ~5GB big. This was work enough. Anyway, enough about me, thanks again Varghedin. Parl2001 (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments, Parl2001. I've checked out the trailer and it looks sweet :) Going to torrent the full version in a bit ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I still cant watch the movie:(, it wont let me on Filefront or megaupload, i've wait for about 3 hours on each site and they both failed--IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 09:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Go here http://the pirate and download the torrent. Yes it will take some time but it will get there. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 10:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

ok could you please help me, each time I click Download ansd then click open it just closes and doesnt download, i can see the download screen but once i click open it just closes it. I'm sorry but can u please help i just stayed up all night trying to watch this movie, and i dont want all that time gone to waste. Do I need to download the toolbar or something?--IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 19:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

You have a BitTorrent client right? It won't work without. If you don't have one, go to to get Vuze, for example. It's the one I use. Once Vuze is up and running, you need only to open the download file and Vuze will torrent it for you automatically. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks man you are a life saver:D--IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 23:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Algalon icon?

Hey your algalon icon loooks cool an all but how did you find out what he looks like if there is no images for him? im not saying that its bad or anything im just confused, is it a placeholder? please respond on my talk page if you can--User:Whitedragon254You know im seriously 1337 now. {T1337 to the extreme.CThe dragon protects me...that and my MG 30 glock of course..) 03:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The achievement icon is a good source. Achievement boss algalon 01.png Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah i see, was just wondering where the icon came from since i've been trying to find an image for this guy.--User:Whitedragon254You know im seriously 1337 now. {T1337 to the extreme.CThe dragon protects me...that and my MG 30 glock of course..) 04:09, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

50000 club

Feels good to be in the club now. Winky.gif --g0urra[T҂C] 15:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome and congrats, man =) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


Was wondering, could you also make an icon for Spirit Healers? Or is there already one out there? (In that case, I can't seem to find it.) Thank you. Metus (talk) 11:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Done :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 18:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! 8D Metus (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


Could you give Garona her own mini-icon for use in articles? She doesn't look anything like the half-draenei icon currently being used to represent her. She's also a very special and noteable character diserving her own icon.Baggins (talk) 23:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I made one of Garona, Med'an and Lothar. Using art as basis for the icons is less ideal than using character models because you're stuck with the angles you get presented and often they are heavily shadowed, lit by random light sources and partially hidden. I tried to make one for Orgrim but there's no art of him in color and coloring b/w pics and then iconizing them leaves very subpar results. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
No problem, I"m not asking you to make too many unique icons. Mainly thought it would be better for Garona since the half-draemei icon doesn't look anything like her, she still looks closer to the half-orc icon (which is technically a correct icon to use). Mind you I still don't undertand why people have an issue with using the half-orc icon, and chose to use half-draenei icon. I mean she is a half-orc, and she does identify herself as a half-orc in both name and references to herself. Other than the fact we know she is half-orc half-draenei there is nothing particularly noteable about the draenei aspect of her life. Giving her own icon avoids that conflict.Baggins (talk) 16:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

could you make one of Ner'zhul and Gul'dan too? check the talk page of unquie icons to see what i posted.--IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 00:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

To all the Squirrels Who Shared my Life

I screwed that up nicely, sorry. I just wanted to add "hare" to the list and It does not look the same now. Or show my addition either. Hares are all over durotar. Please fix it I don't want to do any more damage. -- Don't Panic (talk) 09:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

To end a table you have to use a bracket "}", not a paranthesis ")". I fixed it. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thanks I'll remember that Don't Panic(talk)

Mounts mounts mounts!

That's quite a gallery you have there! :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh aye... think it's too big? I looked over the nice Tabard page and I thought it would be neat to see all the mounts and companions in a similar light as well, especially given that there were lots of mounts that did not have their own screenshot. I think it's a nice way to navigate them graphically, considering the vast variety of them are mostly for looks and flavor. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, it's certainly long, but cool - given the length it might be suitable for a page of its own, split into sections? Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I was considering that. Not sure exactly how to split them and right now I'm too sleepy to think about it much. I'm done adding mounts for the moment - I'll wait with the Argent Tournament ground mounts until they have their graphics updated. Bedtime now :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Aye, bed for me too. G'night! Kirkburn  talk  contr 00:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

icon suggestions

i dont know if you check the unqiue icons talk page anymore but i'll just post the suggestions right here:

Some artwork is on the talk page --IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gifMaelstrong 21:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Account deletion request

Hi, can you delete my account from this site? Thanks.

-- Gopherp1 (talk) 13:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

We don't delete accounts, just stop using that user name. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Updated Shaman Set Picture?

I was wondering if I could (very nicely!) coax you into updating the Shaman Raid and Arena Set pictures used in the Shaman set comparison Article? It's taking me a while to bring it up to snuff, but some pretty shinies would be a nice distraction for viewers until I get it finished. -- User:JustinGN 10:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

If nobody else does it, I will eventually update those pictures when I get the time, yeah :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 18:38, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Dragon Hunt

Did you get the program fixed? I assume so. BobNamataki (talk) 17:38, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

My model viewer works, my map viewer doesn't, so I'm kind of halfway there, but yeah it's easier for me to continue this now, when I have the spare time to do so :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 18:39, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, could you license the images used for your graphics version of Dragon Hunt? Thanks. TherasTaneel (talk) 16:54, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I'm new to this whole license thing. How does it work? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 04:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
hmm, since the options seem to exband every now and then; I have a list with most of them, which I don't remember where I got. Hmm, but Coobra must know where to find them, since I think its him that make new ones. TherasTaneel (talk) 12:32, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

blood elf icons

Oh, are you doing one for Grand Magister Rommath too? TherasTaneel (talk) 15:33, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I can do that. He's supposed to be an important character ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 15:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
yay :) TherasTaneel (talk) 15:39, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Boss modelviewer images

Just wanted to tell you that... they're awesome! I love them all. You really did a great job with them, man. What could I say? Congratulations? Thanks a lot? As you can see, I really appreciate them Winky.gif Tongueout.gif--Lon-ami (talk) 19:59, January 2, 2010 (UTC).

Haha, thanks. Good to know they're appreciated :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:32, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, they are! If you do one for every single instance you'll be my hero, man (I don't consider Arcratraz completed until you put the 6 adds of Skyriss, btw; xD). Nah, just joking. But, really, some of them are really art themselves. See BRD. Hell. That pic is worth a medal or something; and same for AQ complete and BRS. A really, really appreciated work ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 20:41, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Hah, BRD was intense. And there are lots of considerations to put into account, like not making the graphic too lopsided, giving the final boss the proper respect, making the text legible and at the same time not cover anyone's face, adjusting each character for rough size and position, etc. Sometimes WMV makes the job extra hard by for example not providing the glow inside ethereals (which is really the actual ethereal) and giving Teron Gorefiend untextured pauldrons, which I then have to manually edit in. I did consider the various adds in the Skyriss fight but I guess I decided they didn't feel "named" enough, unlike, say, the adds for Hex Lord Malacrass. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:10, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Aah, well, ok, then I pardon you :P. Really, only Akkiris seems to be named, but who knows, Akkiris could end being a type of sorts. Whatever.
And yeah, I know enough of image-programs and modelviewer to know some images were just hard, very hard. Also, you had to equip items on some of the bosses using player models. That can be annoying, too. I would go mad if I have to search the equipment, uhm.
Looking forward more (if you make more). BT is awesome, too, btw (I didn't remember Naj'entus was that big. Ah, memories xD).--Lon-ami (talk) 21:25, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Actually most of the raids are mostly guesswork when it comes to the bosses' relative sizes. I'm not much of a raider so I try to google their names and see how their corpses look next to players cheering their defeat. Maybe Supremus should be bigger? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 21:39, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Er, I'm not sure. I'm not much of a raider, neither xD. Actually, I always believed Naj'entus to be the size of a normal naga. I didn't remember he was that big, duh. Long time since I was at BT, and I was only to watch around, not to raid. Guess you'll have to ask, or wait for feedback. I suppose you have the original saved, so it won't be much of a problem to resize Supremus without remaking everything again. Until that, let it be. It's fin as it is. I couldn't tell you the correct size.
Uhm, why don't you create a new thread at the forum, showing all your work and ask for feedback by the way? I'm sure most people haven't noticed the new images (I just noticed them because I had MT in my watchlist).--Lon-ami (talk) 11:00, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
He's quie a bit bigger [4]. Supremus is larger than many buildings in WoW [5].Hope i'm not poking my head in where it doesn't belong. :) I think the BT image looks great, as do all the others (I've been watching them go up on the new files page), and I hear ya about the challenges of playing with model viewer. Anyways i think the pages really needed them and just love seeing all the bosses posing together like that.Warthok Talk Contribs 11:55, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
I thought so, looking at some of those pics. I can edit it, shouldn't be too much of a hassle. Glad you like em :) ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 00:14, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
Vargh I just want to help you by adding a touch of Shandris to the boss images. Can I make my own and upload? Tired of my work always get deleted, Wikipedia is free, why do admins have some dictature here? --User:ShandrisForever 09:56, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
Well done on Algalon, agree it now looks better? --User:ShandrisForever 10:48, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
I agree - where did you get your version of the viewer? Is it an addon? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 12:03, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Good work, once again, with Ulduar, Naxxramas, Icecrown and Argent Coliseum. They're just awesome. Really love them (although Naxx and Icecrown raid could be more wing-distributed, but whatever). Just 2 things:
  • You're missing a few mini-bosses at Icecrown: Rimefang, Spinestalker, Precious,Stinky.
  • Arthas is a bit small at HoR, nope?
  • Would be nice if you mix the 3 Icecrown dungeons into one for Frozen Halls or something :P.
  • The Rhino at Utgarde Pinnacle is missing his name.
That's all. By the way, I think you have nearly completed all of them. Congratulations, man ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 20:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
No, Varghedin, it's a software; the advatage is that it shows particles correctly. Should I incorporate Ionar somehow? --User:ShandrisForever 10:59, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
If you could send me one of Ionar facing right on a black background and bigger than the one in that pic, I could swap it in. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 08:48, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ionar, correctly rendered.

--User:ShandrisForever 13:10, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
And here's Lana'thel for use in the ICC bosses preview.
--User:ShandrisForever 13:10, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
Kudos to you for the ICC boss presentation! I think I can contribute with Marrowgar, 'cause he currently looks like a dead (no pun intended) version of himself. --User:ShandrisForever 08:43, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Dead in what sense? ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:07, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Well he's supposed to look like this (I'll make a larger version when I have more time on my hands):
-- User:ShandrisForever 13:29, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if can do this, but could you upload the .PSD files so I could download them?--User:WoWWiki-FireMaster/Sig 06:45, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Nah, the psd files are huge and I would get yelled at for hogging the site's bandwith. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:15, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Well, you could upload them somewhere else(Rapidshare, Megaupload etc.)--User:WoWWiki-FireMaster/Sig 19:17, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Lord Marrowgar

Try to use this one instead. See the difference? I wish I could share the software with you but my programmers are very unwilling to give it away to anyone but a few friends. Sorry. --User:ShandrisForever 22:53, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Lord Marrowgar

Female Kvaldir icon

Hello, Varghedin. I was wondering where did you get a picture on which you based the female Kvaldir icon? I can't find any pictures of females of this species. Are they even in-game? {{SUBST:Race Icon Naga Male Small}}Shargas the Naga (blearrgglaerrgall) 20:29, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

No they aren't in-game, I made it based on the normal female vrykul pic. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:18, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

a few requests

Well, i don't get it how you and others do this but i'll tell you that it's pretty awesome that you do this, and i also have a few requests:

I'll only ask for these two, because they require some sort of photoshop alteration
i already asked for everything else in unique character and races and classes icons discussion, thanks in advance--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:31, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ps sorry for altering one of your comments before but the website wouldn't let me post because of a link to pirate bay, due to the spam filter--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:32, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

HMM hello?--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:44, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Hi - sorry, I'm not much on wowwiki these days. I'm not sure how I'd make an incubus or angel as we don't even really know they exist, do we? And there's no image to go after at all. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 09:07, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Angel from warcraft 3 but i think they're going to make an angel in cataclysm and i think you could make a incubus by changing a succubus picture, it's up to you.--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:45, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


Beautiful work. Keep it up. Trololo (talk) 07:59, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Cute 'tude. I'd advise dropping it. --Varghedin (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed in patches

When something is removed in a specific patch, you can add patch=<patch>, such as {{Removedfromgame|patch=4.0.3a}}. This would put the article in the Removed in patch 4.0.3a category. --g0urra[T҂C] 12:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks.--Varghedin (talk) 12:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Worgen priest trainer

The most important inaccuracy is that the Military District is not the starting area for worgen players, Merchant Square is. They start there and after the first initial quests they head to the Military District where priest characters meet Sister Almyra that can be met again roaming in the Merchant Square in a late quest. --N'Nanz (talk) 13:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

What late quest is that? I went through the entire Gilneas chain twice to document the locations of NPCs. Near the end during the siege, there's no trainers in Merchant Square, just a lot of forsaken and a lot of generic Gilneans fighting. The trainers remain outside in the Livery area --Varghedin (talk) 13:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I found her in wowhead, perhaps it's outdated info. However what about the starting location? --N'Nanz (talk) 13:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's probably outdated. What we could do is call Gilneas City the starting location and then demarkate which 2 areas of the city the trainers appear in (the military district and greymane court).--Varghedin (talk) 13:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

this is what I was talking about. Perhaps the best idea is not to mention the "starting location" thing at all for worgen players. I mean for other races a NPC inside of a capital city is always shown with the exact location (square, district, entrance, even building sometimes). Saying only Gilneas City seems too much generic to me. --N'Nanz (talk) 14:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that could work too. Although it applies to all their trainers, not just the priest. --Varghedin (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Browsering around wowhead I found this and this. Looking the path they take (very similar to the one Almyra has) it seems like they are in some kind of escort quest, I don't think it's outdated infos maybe they are instances of these NPCs that can't train you anything or more simply they represent only the characters that move from the Military Quarter to Livery Outpost. However I'll not take them into account. --N'Nanz (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific

Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

How to make icons

Can you help me how to make icons? i use GIMP but all the models become soo blurry. AkaliIcon2.png

Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:15, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You have to use something like Photoshop and use the "sharpen" tool once (sometimes even twice) to get the proper sharpness. --Varghedin (talk) 07:52, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again but it seems i wasn't cut out for this...--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


Heya Varg. Something to make the "<zone> NPCs" process a little easier for you, if you haven't already seen it: If the quest page you're trying to link to is properly formatted, a simple [[Quest:Foo]] will suffice instead of having to use {{questlong|Neutral|83D|Foo}}. I just ran my bot over Category:NPCs by instance as a test run if you want to see what I mean. Links via item/loot can also use plain links too. Help:DefaultLinks covers the gory details. --k_d3 23:46, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, KD3. I've been using the directlink for quest-starting icons in the last few zones but the directlink for quests will be handy too. The problem is if the linked content isn't on the site (which is still often the case for Cata quests), then you just get the red name and not the other details. In such cases I'd rather change it back to the template so one can at least get up the level/faction details on the NPC pages. --Varghedin (talk) 23:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
No worries. I'm skimming through the pages now to fix exactly that situation. --k_d3 00:00, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Spectral wolf

Which mob did you use for the spectral wolf Varghedin, since it's not the mount model, karomba or skoll, i put it's karomba but it's only a assumption, could you also change their names to spectral bear to spirit bear, spectral wolf to spirit wolf and Spirit Beast to spirit snow leopard(or just spirit leopard) please? because i don't know how--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


Delete Worgen NPCs as well? --g0urra[T҂C] 08:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, I don't know. I didn't make that one and I guess it's updated for Cataclysm? I'm feeling torn about the other ones too. The goblin one was pretty detailed. I just thought the blood elf one specifically would be impossible to retain. --Varghedin (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Several has been removed (for example SFK mobs) so it's not entirely updated. Goblin one would be close to impossible to keep up-to-date and accurate (there are too many in the world), while worgen might be a bit easier to update. But following the "race NPC article for non-playable races" scheme, the Worgen NPCs article would be removed. --g0urra[T҂C] 08:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, keeping it breaks the scheme. To be honest I didn't even know it existed until you mentioned it. The amount of worgen NPCs in-game is much lower than draenei/blood elf/goblin (no capital city, very few settlements, sparse population) so keeping it updated would be a lot easier than the others. I'm not sure I'm comfortable ninja-deleting it as I'm not the author. Of course, any future expansion/patch is much more likely to add worgen NPCs than any of the non-playable ones. But I'm pretty sure there's more high elf NPCs in the world than worgen despite playable status, so it's not necessarily an unbeatable scheme. --Varghedin (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Surely this is the kind of thing that's made obsolete by Wowhead and similar databases. I'm not trying to troll, just saying there has to be a better way to do it than by hand... Linke (talk) 09:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Would like to interview you

Hi Varghedin,

I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available for an interview at some point this summer?

I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it linked to from my user page (happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.

Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email <tinyurl [dot] com/5ug7gqq>.

-- Dakhma (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


This is his older armor but his face remained the same. This also gives a nice frontal view that we can't get from the newer version quite yet.

I am probably asking in the wrong location but, would you mind doing an icon for Twilight Father? IconSmall ForestTroll Male.gifIconSmall IceTroll Male.gif MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe(talk contribs)IconSmall SandTroll Male.gifIconSmall DarkTroll Male.gif 01:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Place the request for update/suggestions at Wowpedia talk:List of unique character icons. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:29, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

NPC article titles : RECALL


Your opinion is required here, on a policy concerning NPC article titles.

Thanks you.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 18:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)