User talk:WardsJames

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Welcome! PeterWind (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much ! WardsJames (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Deceased mobs

Heya, I'm not sure if putting "deceased" to majority of named quest mob or raid bosses is the correct way to go. While it definitely makes sense because there's a quest that asks for someone's head, for example, such quests in the Classic Barrens and the Wetlands were never reflected in lore, and some goblins and humans in those zones are still alive in Cata. How Blizzard tend to work with NPC death is that they need to confirm in an additional / latter source. For example, when UVG came out it, confirmed the death of two naga in Zangarmarsh and only then they were given the deceased tag with the source provided on their pages here. That's why named mobs, in general, don't have the deceased tag, as you can see. There are of course exceptions, especially in the newest expansions where the story progresses more dynamically I guess. However, I suspect you went by the tables in the Scarlet Crusade and Cult of the Damned pages where they are tagged as deceased, which honestly, after giving it a thought, may be misleading in respect to the reason they were never given deceased tag in their infoboxes. What are your thoughts? And other editors? --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 11:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your feedback! After reading, I thought about it, indeed your guess is the correct one, I arrived a little while ago and after having observed a lot of your work on the wikipedia I wanted to learn how to do the same and help the community. I had actually observed the scarlet page, and by observing the death notices and the quests that asked to kill the said NPCs / bosses, I took the initiative to do the same on other pages. I never received any feedback, not even after corrections from other users on other elements of the page after i went to change status, but now i understand. What should I do ? Should I correct my mistakes by removing all the death notices I have placed ? Or just stop and leave as it ? WardsJames (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Understood. This comment sparked an idea to open the discussion. No worries, as on one hand, it makes sense, and by all means, they should be dead if quests ask to kill them, but Blizz tend to bring them back or, as in some Cata cases, not remove them and ignore quests. I'm not entirely sure either what to do next; it's not entirely incorrect, but I guess it would be better to have an additional source confirming their death in story. IMO, it should be enough to have Killable when there is not an additional quest / source confirming their death. Also, if they are tagged as deceased, they probably need the Deceased characters category. For now, lets wait for others to give their thoughts. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we need to go back and remove all the "Deceased" notes that have already been added, since it's not a huge deal, but IMO mobs (including quest mobs and bosses) should just be tagged as Killable unless there's another source that confirms that they're canonically dead. --IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 15:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Mordecay explained what I think, so that's that :D But to add something, I'd guess there's no need to revert them except important people which would be preferable to be left ambiguous. --Ryon21 (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback, I took the opportunity to correct a large part of the pages that I had edited, especially in the Scarlet Crusade, the Twilight's Hammer and alors the Cult of the Damned after seeing Morderio's editing requests on the status ! WardsJames (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


Heya, nice work on the Uncrowned page.

There is an unfinished work on summarizing the story of Legion Class Campaigns, and those that were done were written on their own pages - Tirisgarde Campaign, Valarjar Campaign, Council of the Black Harvest Campaign, Death Knight Campaign. Their organization pages like Tirisgarde and Council of the Black Harvest have empty sections with only links to the campaign page, or in the case of Valarjar and Knights of the Ebon Blade there are shortened versions of the summary while also having a link on top to the Campaign page. Now looking at the Uncrowned page, the summary looks like a good fit for a Rogue Campaign page. Would you agree to move the content from the Uncrowned page and create the Rogue Campaign? --Morderi (talk) 15:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Morderi, thank you for your return, i really appreciate.

To answer your question, yes, don't worry, I actually intended to take care of the rogue's campaign summary as it's already the case of the Tirisgarde's campaign for example, currently I have only done on the Uncrowned page a summary in order to present the order and their major actions during the invasion, on the campaign page I would try to be much more specific, with more quotes for example. My goal actually is to provide a summary for those who just want an overview of the order on his own page, and on the other side a very very complete summary on the campain page (I will obviously add a redirect to the full campaign on the Uncrowned page).WardsJames (talk) 15:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay! --Morderi (talk) 16:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

EA question

Heya, I remember you having Exploring Azeroth, so on the side of the page 68 (Stromgarde Keep entry) there's Flynn's comment, but it is blurred. A tried looking at it and managed to get only some words from it. Could you double-check your version and see what words you can see? Thx! --Morderi (talk) 13:31, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi ! Yes I have it too, here is what he wrote in my French version of the book:

"Honnêtement, tout ça - La mort, la non-mort, les fantômes, les tombes -, ça me refile des cauchemars, ça et celui où (Note: il y avait ici deux autres mots, qui furent maculés d'encre, près de la tâche, Flynn écrit:) laissez tomber."

Which translates (approximately, I'm not the most gifted translator) into English like this: "Honestly, all this - death, the undead, ghosts, graves - gives me nightmares, this and the one where (Note: there were two other words here, which were smeared with ink, next to the stain, Flynn writes:) forget it." Hoping that this can help you, don't hesitate to come back to see me if you need more confirmations! WardsJames (talk) 13:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Yea, a meant the words smeared with ink. What I can see there is the middle part of the text: "... of words, have been written and blotted out. Near... " There is something before and after this part. The ink at the beginning is too much, so I thought that part is not meant to be read, but in the final part the words are kinda there, but I can't really say what that is. I see it's so meta. Now, I'm finally done with the book :-D --Morderi (talk) 14:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
It will have been long, but at least it's finally over, really fun to read and lots of useful information for updating old pages, can't wait to see the one on Kalimdor ^^ WardsJames (talk) 14:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Agreed! --Morderi (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)