Leaving replies

Hi Zeal, I must see I don't really know you but looking at you work with templates like {{Tooltip}} makes me respect you alot. --   Montronax  ( talk · contribs ) 05:15, 9 March 2007 (EST)

I've put off saying anything as I wasn't really sure what to say Smiley.gif Thank you for your kind words, and it's a pity to see any member leave. I do hope you return sometime in the future! User:Kirkburn/Sig2 06:40, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Later man

Thanks for the time you spent with us, dude. It was great working with you.

Hope whatever you do is wonderful and worthwhile. Hope to see you someday in game if no where else. User:Montag/sig 15:01, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Be well and take care

Tho I'm not surprised at all like you probably know, I wish you the best, you've done alot of good things for the wiki and it's what we will remember, always ;) --User:Adys/Sig 23:17, 11 March 2007 (EDT)


I notice you have been playing around with a few pages, chatting on some talk pages. Didn't see any content updates, though. You partially back, then? --Eirik Ratcatcher 22:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well my userpage says i'm back and why. :p I'm just hanging about, but i don't plan to contribute at all. Random talk, my userpages, that's about it. --   22:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Old Gods Speculation

I've noticed that you've added Blackfathom Depths to the mix of possible locations for Old Gods. Can you also add support for that reference in the "Locations" section? Baggins & I been trying hard to separate direct & strongly supported references from indirect & weak flavor lore references. :) Dwoedin 15:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Er.. Baggins added that, i merely marked it as needing citation, a which point he promptly added the missing citation. That was several hours ago :x --   15:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Maybe I should talk with him. I'm looking at the reference, and it seems to be referring to the Old God's indirect influence through Aku'mai rather than direct influence from some underground prison. The presence of the Twilight's Hammer isn't dispositive of an Old God's location--they are drawn to anything that relates to (or they believe relates to) an Old God. Dwoedin 16:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, i've got a feeling he may have got the wrong idea too, but i've not double checked the reference he used yet, too busy with other stuff. :p --   16:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Well first, off LoM doesn't even mention Aku'mai. There is also the reference in HPG, "The largest groups of the Twilight’s Hammer now camp near the locations where they believe the Old Gods and their minions are sealed away".Baggins 16:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
LoM doesn't mention Aku'mai, but he is directly mentioned in Blizzard's online WoW encyclopedia as the reason that the Twilight's Hammer is present. This is precisely why I think that Blackfathom Deeps & especially the Blackrock locales should be removed from the Old Gods speculative locations--the only thing we have that suggests an Old God may be present is the presence of Twilight's Hammer. We know for a fact that Old God minions aren't sealed away with their masters (take note, Elementals have their own prison plane). Thus, the Twilight Hammer appears both in locales where Old Gods are expected to be, AND in locales where their minions are. Because a chief minion of the Old Gods, Ragnaros, appeared in Blackrock, Twilight's Hammer would have been drawn there, even had they conclusively known no Old God was nearby. Dwoedin 18:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


i've noticed malfurion pop up a few times within moonglade, but rarely. i saw a screenshot of him. what's the deal with him anyways, i know he's within the emerald dream. i'm confused, is he trapped, trying to find something, or just in a slumber? One other thing. jarod shadowsong, he was an awesome epic hero in WotA and now there's nothing to be heard of, kinda sad. Maybe he's in hiding because he's embarassed by his sister. Or perhaps after that quick fight with archimonde he said screw this and became a hermit. Just some interesting thoughts. I appreciate all your work Zeal, you rock. thanks User:Wired/sig--17:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Malfurion is stuck in the Emerald Dream because of the Nightmare and trying to fight it (he is a Druid after all, they "hibernate") in WoW time (even though the cause of the Nightmare has actually been defeated now and ended, so no idea why that's not been resolved yet).
As to Jarod, he's made no appearence outside of WotA, no one knows what happened to him since then or what will become of him in future content. --   21:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
i figured as much. maybe blizz just forgot about jarod. oh well, thanks for the reply. 4:50, 10 december 2007 (EST) User:Wired/sig

You should be able to reserve your user name on Wikia central

I checked and it says it doesn't exist, so you might want to nab it before the upgrade. --Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:07 PM PST 16 Dec 2007

I thought as much as well, but actually thats only for wikia central accounts. Because of the silly way wikia does it's global accounts, the fact someone has Zeal on any wikia wikis means it's unavailable, which is exactly what the case is here. Someone has Zeal on a random wikia wiki, thus i'll be renamed to Zeal-WoWWiki or w/e when the merger happens. It's unfair imo, and i've explained as well as ranted to Kirkburn about why its such a silly way to do global accounts and that people in my position will be screwed over when the merger comes (wouldn't be suprised if my account on here is older than the wikia one). --   21:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Er, accounts are Wikia wide. I don't know of any Wikia Central split. I can request it be looked into. Kirkburn  talk  contr 03:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
No they aren't Kirkburn, unless (I think) you register on central first rather than another wikia first. I have an account at smashbros. wiki and I couldn't log onto it on wookiepedia; wookiepedia said the account didn't exist. --Sky (talk | con | wh) 05:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
My point was that althought accounts are wikia wide, the user pages only appear on the wiki they were made on, not all wikis. Something which you confirmed for me in IRC iirc Kirkburn --   11:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Forgot to point out, after i found out what was happening, i created another account on wikia central with the same email so that it would auotmatically link up as was decribed during the merging process. Problem is, i couldn't validate that account, as wikia's mail server wasn't sending me varification email : / WoWWiki's was playing up too recently, but seems to be back to normal now, so i'll try and get wikia to send the verification email yet again. --   14:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
And it sent this time, yay. --   14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Wookiepedia, Memory Alpha and Uncyc aren't part of the main user list. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


I appreciate your diplomatically-worded note to me about en-dashes and em-dashes. I realize there's no specific rule here, so I've been using wikipedia's rules here, not because I think people are doing it wrong, but just because I think it looks nicer when en-dashes are used for number ranges and em-dashes for long pauses.

I'm not a fan of inserting high-ascii code into a page, which is why I prefer using the – and — encodings. But I'll hold off on doing it further.

Markkawika 20:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

NPC naming

Are you sure? I already talked about this with Baggins and I learned as I did. the discussion was in Talk:Mara_Fordragon --N'Nanz 17:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

FFS, a change to the policy has been snuck in and that change is going to screw things up. Please hold off on any more edits on that same line until the policy issue cna be discussed. --   17:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
*sigh* my memory is getting worse.. i supported the change to this now that i've looked back at the discussion.. Carry on, i'll revert my own edits. Sorry for the trouble : / --   17:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
ok. However I made that changes because the NPC template does not work over redirection so when you type in Ashlam Valorfist‎ and drag over the link it works but if you type Commander Ashlam Valorfist‎, it doesn't. --N'Nanz 17:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
That's what 5= is for, alt display name. ;) Could have still linked to the NPC's name, but made it display the character's name without a title. Doesn't matter now anyway :P --   18:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

A category name

What do you think a good category name is for these types of items:

I was thinking Category:World of Warcraft letter items, but not all of them are letters, so then I was thinking of Category:World of Warcraft readable items, but some might could get confused on where to place Category:World of Warcraft in-game books and the like. What do you think? I currently have them in Category:Letters -- before the name changes started to happen. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Readable ones, i'd place in both Category:Items, Category:World of Warcraft items, Category:World of Warcraft in-game books and Category:World of Warcraft book items, along with any other items with readable dialogs like that. --   21:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok then, thanks. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 21:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and Category:In-Game books :p You're welcome --   21:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

NOT a good category name

I'm sorry, but I don't see the benefit of changing (eg) "Blacksmithing Products" to "World of Warcraft Blacksmithing crafted products". More typing for everyone - users included - involved. Even given your post on VP, I don't see the benefit. Please illuminate me. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the example of  [Khorium Bar]. The 'potential for bloat' example I had in mind was  [Runecloth], but that'll do as well.
  • "World of Warcraft" - I understand this was not your first choice... Still, given that almost EVERY category for Khorim bar is prefaced with that, it becomes 3 empty words that have to be parsed to get to the words that ARE of use.
  • "<skill> ingredient items" vs "<skill> items" - I'm not sure why the latter category would be added, if you have/use the former. Or perhaps I don't understand why the Khorium bar would be in both, if the latter implied "tools, etc".
  • "ingredient items" vs "ingredients" - are there non-item ingredients, for tradeskilling? Are you expanding the term 'ingredients' to include tools (non-expended items) and locations (eg anvil, mana loom)?
  • More generally, you seem to be including 'khorium bar' in every category down the tree. Much like my complaints about the '<quality> item' categories, it creates a category so large as to be useless. Did you already comment/complain about that earlier?
It is hard to separate the bloat caused by the prefix from the bloat caused by the profusion of categories. So I will only note it, and presume the cure lies in the salves for the separate issues. --Eirik Ratcatcher 01:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  1. The reasoning for the prefix was already given on VP, if you still don't accept/understand that, i can't help you.
  2. The reasoning for the inclusion in multiple categories is also explained on the VP in reply to Sky's comments. Same result as above.
  3. Tools and objects like you mentioned are being recognized as ingredients, yes.
  4. Not sure i follow the trade skilling question, but it's probably the same as what Sky said in IRC to me before, so i'll say what i said then. Ingredients requires a knowledge of wow terminology and knowing that there may not be anything but items as ingredients. Users shouldn't be forced to have an encylopedic knowledge of wow in order to navigate. Items is also the most important part of the category name, as it states what type of articles will be found in it. It's not a term restricted to WoW (hence the wow prefix), yet it is a known type of article on WoWWiki. Given the previous note, objects and possibly other things could be considered an ingredient too, yes. --   02:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  1. My objection is not to a prefix, but to a LONG prefix. I noted your comment on VP about wanting to use "WoW", thus my comment.
  2. *shrug* You'd made comments about the unusefulness of large categories, I agreed. (Comments about an overabundance of subcategories was also made. Overinclusion would seem to lead to that as well. Once the number of categories is perceived as 'large', barriers to adding more drop.)
  3. Tools and objects: you missed my point. "Ingredient Items" implies "Ingredient <something else>."
  4. a knowledge of wow terminology - Isn't that what links are for? And pages describing terms? If you've not picked up on the term "Ingredients" - even by common English usage of the word - then how much more information is conveyed by tacking "Items" to it? re: point 3. I'll concede the point on more esoteric terms, but on common vocabulary words, used in their common meaning?
  • A question, not a fight: It's not a term restricted to WoW (hence the wow prefix) - Does this policy not logically extend, then, to the names of the pages as well? "Anvil" vs "Anvil (World of Warcraft)", for example?
  • From comments disassociated with you, I glean that there is some distinction between "Warcraft" and "World of Warcraft". This distinction escapes me; the latter encompasses the former to me, and neither term distinguishes the MMO separate from all else to me. Perhaps from this stems my utter incomprehension...
--Eirik Ratcatcher 23:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Category stuff

Hi there. I figured I'd continue our conversation from VP here since it's just been us for a couple times. I think I get the idea of the recategorization now. What I gather is mainly that lots of articles here ought to be within Category:World of Warcraft (at some level), and all the other categories kind of follow from there. I see some problems but they are mostly specific to certain categories, so I think it makes sense to start discussions on those talk pages individually. I have also been looking at the new categories and, at least for now since they are new, I think it would help to have better descriptions in them, so I will probably add some. -- Harveydrone 01:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Due to some unrelated revelations on IRC, i'm stepping back from everything on WoWWiki i'm afraid. I'm happy to reply to any questions on what i was doing and where i was going, but where it goes without me is out of my hands now.
The seperate talk pages makes sense if you can think of any issues specific to those categories (which i'm rather skeptical about), but if it's on principle for how to handle all similar cats, a more generic talk page would be better.
The descriptions i've kept very basic for now, the key thing was make note of what things should go in them. Mainly this was pointing out what article type limits there were (eg. item articles only in cats ending with "items"), and then their sub types (eg. wow items that are armor only in "world of warcraft armor items"). Hopefully in those more descriptively named cats, it's fairly obvious. But in something like World of Warcraft or Lore, it required some more explanation, WoW contains pretty much anything, but because of size, it's likely to see that what articles in contains becomes limited like the explanation i gave in Category:Lore. They could all do with fleshing admitidly, after all i was mass-editing and writing them in a rush. --   03:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


I was referencing your bold changing of categories to fit your category tree, then I realized the comment might not really apply (and I thought it a bit prickly to bring it up), so I striked the comment (rather than removed it from the page), as is appropriate for most wikis. --Sky (t · c · w) 00:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem, was jsut confused by it because it didn't seem to apply to me either ;) --   10:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Teh pokemanz comment: I do? In sandbox3? o_o --Sky (t · c · w) 17:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC) :S --   18:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I thought that's what you were referencing. I was doing some cleanup work for another wiki, but I don't know why I pasted it here. :/ --Sky (t · c · w) 18:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

AlsoSee and sons

Done yet more research, found wikipedia's similar templates. Would value your input here, if you have time. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Alpha info

Ok?--SWM2448 18:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Checked with Kirkburn about what he said on VP before hand. I gave out no new info. Just informed what was wrong and removed anything that is wrong. That is allowed. Ok? ;) -- Zeal (T/C)  18:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Fine. I'll make a note of that and undo my jabbing...--SWM2448 18:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Baggins dissagrees.--SWM2448 00:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Fjord Walls

Do the Fjord Walls really not exist? I thought Blizzplanet said that, and they rarely get things (besides easter eggs) wrong. Did a name change? If you say so.--SWM2448 18:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Based on the description given for it, it's no longer called that. -- Zeal (T/C)  20:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
While it may not be a subzone, the term is still used.[1]--SWM2448 20:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
That's an MVP, they're just as prone to errors as anyone else. It's not a label in game, so it's not used at all. -- Zeal (T/C)  08:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

some css cleaning up help

 [The Story of Morgan Ladimore]: Tooltip is pushing the scrollbar to the left, but the css for the rest of the table (div?) isn't following the scrollbar similarly. This is on a rez of 1024 by 768 on Fx The desired behavior occurs in IE 7.0... --Sky (t · c · w) 05:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Shame i only checked this before going to sleep. At a quick glance i'm not sure what's happening, likely float related issues, with IE7 doing things wrong (but the more desirable and intuitive) way. I'll investigate further tomorrow unless someone else deals with it first. -- Zeal (T/C)  09:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Partly the fault of the skins used on WoWWiki (no min-width of content div) and partly because the w3c float spec is unintuitive and impractical. It can't be worked around afaik. Have to live with it, or add " { clear: both; }" to common.css. -- Zeal (T/C)  02:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Eh, clear doesn't really suit me, so I guess I'll live. Thanks for havin a looksee. —Sky (t · c · w) 02:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Aye, it's not a nice solution. :/ No prob though. To work in a world of floats, you oddly enough need all widths to be defined. W3C spec creates a bunch of models that can't coexist properly or be applied to dynamic content sites like a wiki. -_- -- Zeal (T/C)  02:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Wanted to avoid this other solution, but you can get away with " { float: left; }" and adding {{clr}} after in the template itself. This will cause it to drop below floats above it (ie the tooltip) at smaller widths, but it's also going to clear any other floats after it, as well as drop pretty far down on long tooltips or any other floats above it. Still rather undesirable. -- Zeal (T/C)  02:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

DK Voices

Are you sure they're only "remodulated"? The article only says, "the voice emotes will be changed for Death Knights according to race." They're going to need new voicework for the rune system, anyway, aren't they? WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 04:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

They probably will make new voices for "need more runes" or w/e, but what was said at WWI was that they would be modulating the existing voices of the races especially for death knights so that they "sound deeper and such". Another case of a site giving misleading summaries is all. -- Zeal (T/C)  11:28, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Dating System (chronology)

i was wondering about what the dating system is in the warcraft universe. by dating system i mean such as the western "2008 AD" and "CY 9781" from the universe of Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cadar (talk · contr).

There actually isn't one. Depending on the source, 0 is when the dark portal was opened or when the first war started. Myself and some others favour the opening of the portal for 0, and it's what i used to consolidate the timelines for the unofficial one on this wiki. There's no suffix such as AD and BC in official use, so the dates are simply + or - from 0. If you must use one, then you can make one up such as ADP/AP and BDP/BP for After/Before (Dark) Portal or something like that. -- Zeal (T/C)  11:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Stop contributing

Why'd you stop? Was it the community? -Howbizr (talk) 11:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Certain people, some bad experiences, disagrement in direction of the wiki etc. -- Zeal (T/C)  19:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Icon source

Hi, what is the source for the various WoWWiki icons such as Icon-add-22x22.png, Icon-back-22x22.png and Icon-delete-22x22.png. You are the last known contributor and I am curious as to where they came from. Cheers. --BBilge (talk) 00:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

It's listed at the top of the page... but here you go -- Zeal (T/C)  01:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

.svg version?

Do you have a .svg version of File:Icon-move-48x48.png and File:Icon-revert-48x48.png? I want to mess around with the colors. — Balistic

If you looked at the previous question you'd have your answer. I didn't make them, but the download at the link above does include .svg versions. -- Zeal (T/C)  18:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, um, how do u unzip a .tar.bz2 file? — Balistic
I use Winrar. Check on wikipedia for apps with tar support. -- Zeal (T/C)  22:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Gem categories

Would you care to join us on Forum:Gem_type_categories? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry nope, i'm not getting involved in wowwiki affairs ever again. -- Zeal (T/C)  07:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Well... thank you for still being around anyway. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. :p -- Zeal (T/C)  20:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


BTW, are you interested in voting on either of these issues? It seemed like maybe you were.

  1. Change categories with "World of Warcraft" to "WoW"? Vote here.
  2. Avoid repeating prefixes on sub-categories? Vote here.

/chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 5:41 PM, 30 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Given past comments, I'd be surprised if he did, but it's always possible. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I left no comments, but two futile votes took no time or effort. -- Zeal (T/C)  00:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Yup. Thanks all the same. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 4:49 AM, 31 Jul 2009 (EDT)
NP, it's purely cos you asked. Wouldn't have bothered otherwise. -- Zeal (T/C)  13:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


Ok... I've whittled us down to a grand total of 7(!) pages that are still using imagelink. You possess three of them: User:Zeal/Sig2, User:Zeal/Sandbox/Icons and User:Zealvurte/Sig2. Any chance you can fix those three pages so we can turn this extension off? --k_d3 00:51, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

As i said, i'm awaiting an outcome of the discussion on what to do in circumstances like mine and the need to turn off the extension period; which hasn't reached an outcome yet. I'll deal with it then as i'll know which option i'm supposed to take to allow you to do what you need to. :/
I'll likely delete the icons page should the extension be turned off, where as my sig i'll do whatever is needed to preserve/update if at all. -- Zeal (T/C)  02:02, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

addon updater

Any news about your AddOn updater? Sounded interesting... --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 01:58, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

As is usual with me, i was on a break for a bit while i worked on other more general things (namely my websites and the structuring of them). Coincidently i actually started up on this again last week.
After speaking with a programmer in my guild about working on the first client implementation of what i intended, he's now on board with it. He'll be working on it; time permitting, and i'll have a working example to show off for all the talk once that's moved along.
Feel free to email me privately if you would like an early look at the spec and what's happening though, i just don't want to let the cat out of the bag too early. -- Zeal (T/C)  03:00, November 7, 2009 (UTC)



Just a reminder that you can't get the above to redirect to yours, you might want to edit that link (and others?) A F K sig 2.jpg A F K When Needed 19:35, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

I know. I'll be sorting it out once i've finished moving everything else. Should have been done ages ago. :P -- Zeal (T/C)  19:41, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm starting areas

Hi. I noticed you make this edit and it reminded me of a problem that I noticed a while back. Playable demos starting from BlizzCon 2009 have shown the goblins and worgen to start at level five. The reason for this is because goblins and worgen start as middle-management on Kezan and a normal citizen of Gilneas respectively, and Blizzard had not made those parts yet. However, this and this are awfully similar to when Blizzard released Ammen Vale's map, so they initially seemed to be treating those areas like starting zones. Also, the town layout I have compiled from previews seems to fit the normal starting zone pattern. As they are not the starting zones, Blizzard seems to be broken their pattern, and they have made what seems like two 'tiers' of starting zone. This will break the chart on Starting area. What is your opinion on how this should be handled?--SWM2448 08:18, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Naturally i can't say much cos of the NDA, but i removed Lost Isles because it is confirmed in the FAQ that Kezan is where things start, and that the Lost Isles come after -- which fits into what was known at Blizzcon demos. What happens in Kezan and what function it serves is speculation right now -- and alpha doesn't really do much to show the full picture atm --, we just know that's where Goblins will start. While i could share what i believe to be the case, it's based on alpha info, so there's no point.
I'm guess by breaking, you mean because of the early transition from Kezan causing a double up of info. I've edited it to handle roughly how things could be done given public info -- there's nothing really to suggest what happens in Kezan. I would like to know where you have sourced Town-in-a-Box from though, as i didn't beleive this was publicly revealed in the demos or otherwise.
Both maps are outdated since alpha btw. ;) -- Zeal (T/C)  08:39, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
It seems to be a different starting zone pattern that the other races do not seem to share (yet?). I edited the page before alpha started, and even Kirkburn wrote about the Town-in-a-Box. I knew the maps were going to be outdated (or at least woefully incomplete) from the moment they started to exist.--SWM2448 08:47, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
The pattern is different yes, but i wouldn't worry about it too much, the impact won't be as bad as you think. ;) Not trying to accuse you of anything with the extra town, just hoping to get a source. Info tends to creep in unsourced, and if there's a source for it, then i can more easily expand upon it. :p
Just quickly read through Kirkburn's account of the demo, and it's nice to actually know the ordering of things now. :) Removing Town-in-a-box does seem to be the right decision still, but i can't say why. Seems the demo was only a very tiny portion of the Lost Isle experience. :p -- Zeal (T/C)  09:15, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
Just a follow up: The situation is much clearer now, and i'll be able to keep an eye out for anyone trying to sneak in anything alpha informed. ;) It may cause problems for starting zone table, but it will be easy to rework. -- Zeal (T/C)  08:32, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


Hi there, I noticed you're the one who uploaded the warning icon used in many templates here and since it doesn't contain any copyright information, I was hoping you could tell me where it's from. Did you make it and if so, is it alright to use on other wikis? Duskey 19:11, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

See Icon source above. -- Zeal (T/C)  00:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch! Duskey(talk)(blog) 02:42, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
Just a friendly advice: Adding the source to the file pages might save you alot of trouble answering similar requests in the future. Take care! Duskey(talk)(blog) 02:36, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
There was alot at the time – many variants and sizes were deleted since – and the wiki's upload licencing declaration policy wasn't as good as it was today, so that's why it was never done. I don't mind answering it anyway, but would be handy if people read my talk page before asking is all. :p -- Zeal (T/C)  13:52, July 17, 2010 (UTC)


Sorry that i undoed the edit you made, but i did it before I saw the message you posted on my talk page, should I undo my own edit or let you do it? Andreioplst (talk) 17:25, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

I posted on your talk page after your last edit and have reverted the article myself since, so there's no need to do anything at this point. :) -- Zeal (T/C)  17:30, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline (unofficial)

I've recently made a bunch of edits to the World of Hostilities part of the unofficial timeline article.

While I'm interested in lore, I don't actually play World of Warcraft and probably made some "wrong" edits. Please check them out and fix errors. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) contribs) 00:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed, but i'm afraid i can't oblige.
Part of what i set out for the that timeline was to only include major events as product titles, in-game books etc. as they're fully inclusive and their minor events are covered in order already, so personally i'm not happy with all the additions you made as they're far too minor and are already covered in the products.
I'm also no longer editing it, and my mindset is no longer as deeply entrentched in warcraft lore as it once used to be, so i'd have trouble making any valid corrections. It's probably best someone restart that timeline from scratch, but this time actually make notes for why things are in the order given through retcon resolution – i was stupid not to and got carried away with discussing it in IRC instead. -- Zeal (T/C)  08:54, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

As I said - my apologies...

About the Deepholm gunship thing. The funny thing is, the people who went there said they were specifically told it was Skybreaker and Orgrim's Hammer, but since I'm not in the beta - and you seem to be - it appears that assumption is in error.

I do have this damned annoying tendency to come across as an ass, but I'm not too proud to admit when I'm wrong. --Joshmaul (talk) 05:37, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well i'll have to blame whoever was the Blizz tour guide for the press event then. ;) No worries though; you've recognised what happened and apologised, so that's good enough for me. Ty. :) And no i'm not in the beta atm, but i just make it my job to know these things. :p -- Zeal (T/C)  06:46, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

My bad

I just saw the video that I used as my reference and updated the articles, kind of forgot that the Twilight Highlands wasn't available for testing. My bad, next time I see a video like that I'll check to make sure it won't interfere with the DNP policy. --Sairez (talk) 13:41, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. :) -- Zeal (T/C)  14:03, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

AQ rename

I see you tagged both Temple and Ruins of AQ for rename since the LFG-Tool does not give the same name. Does the in-game zone keep their original name or do they now have the LFG-Tool's name?

If they retain their old names, a simple redirect would be enough, if not, we will move them.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 08:53, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

AQ40 has always been simply been "Ahn'Qiraj" for it's zone name. AQ20 remains "Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj" for it's zone name. I would think the LFG tool naming should override the zone names in this case, cos it's consistent and used in more places. -- Zeal (T/C)  15:18, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
I guess we will have to bring this to the forum.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 15:24, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Well in light of the new maps, might be worth keeping them where they are and just making the redirects as you said. I wish the devs would be consistent with naming after all these years... -- Zeal (T/C)  15:34, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey Zeal, I don't know if you've heard, but WoWWiki is considering leaving Wikia. I know you may have some opinion about the new features, so please comment. Thanks! P.S.: I noticed your talk page is move protected - did you want that to remain? --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 21:21, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Don't really mind about the move protection, so up to you.
As for the moving stuff, i've voiced my skin concerns in IRC. I'm still anti-wikia, agree with other comments, as this is what i expected to happen when the wiki decided to move. I've nothing new to say other than the wiki is screwed either way, i recommend not forking, and instead badgering wikia relentlessly and every time they mess up keep pointing it out. -- Zeal (T/C)  16:21, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Magazine name

You said you discussed it and got no responses, but I don't see what page this discussion took place on. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Anoob's talk page, seeing as he was the one who undid all my changes. -- Zeal (T/C)  18:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)